#It's like the kpop vs mcyt again

[ilyuqi]

ozzie your takes blow my mind with how spot on they are sometimes. "people would freak out if a kpop idol lost 15 pounds in a month and would always talk about wanting them to eat well" - THIS. because eating disorders and extreme dieting is such a huge issue in the kpop industry, people are quick to call it out and /parasocially worry for the idols working under xyz label. because like, it's a fairly well known issue. but nobody does the same when it comes to streamers / content creators even though if CAN and DOES happen to them too.

sorry for rambling,, but this really brought back a topic that i have found super interesting for a while now. the comparisons between mcyt & the kpop fandom,

there's a lot of reasons as to why people in the mcyt fandom don't catch on as easily to things like ccs' bad behaviors, habits, mental health etc as much as kpop stans do; 1. they're typically a lot younger, 2. the ccs aren't working under some kind of widely-bashed and known-for-being-awful company, (or at least not in the sense of it being so overly controlling) and 3. the mcyt fandom seems to have this weird and collective agreement to Never Do Anything Wrong Ever and Never Cross CCS' Boundaries Ever or You Will Be Crucified. - which in turn, allows everyone to ignore or actively avoid things that should probably be talked about. (this is also one of the reasons why i think truthblr/leaktwt is so popular, it's the only place that seems to allow open critique and discussion of the community/ccs.)

and i will admit, if i had never come across truthblr/leaktwt, i probably would've never even thought once about something potentially being wrong with anyone's weight or mental health. it would've flown right past me. and honestly? maybe it's better that the main fandom doesn't have that overly parasocial worry for their streamers (moreso than they already do ... lord knows it would drive them fucking crazy) but it still reaches a point where sometimes you have to ask, like, okay. is everything really okay here? or are we just pretending like it is?

(again sorry for ranting lol... just know ur Based as Hell)

dont apologize for rambling!! i liked hearing this, and i appreciate it :]

it really blew my mind how different kpop vs mcyttwt was, like seriously. i remember one instance, before i came to my own conclusion that george didnt have an ed but rather was just . not good at remembering to eat/naturally skinny and found a tweet where he basically said something like "he never eats" and i think i commented on it with something like "i hope youre eating better now george :(" because . it was a very normal thing to do that within the kpop community. like if you found an old worrying tweet from an idol, commenting and wishing them better was totally normal, but then months later when people started looking at old george tweets and saw my reply they were like "youre a freak of nature for bringing this back to the tl do you think eds are a joke?" like.. no.. thats why i commented wishing him better? but youre right, the lack of parasocial worrying and the almost.. disdain and ruthless avoiding of it is seriously noticeable in the mcyttwt communtiy when you compare it to the kpop community, and for the reasons you talked about.

it's insane though, because while the respecting of boundaries is honorable, like. these kids have to be thinking somethings off right? like hell they justify dsmp alters, is a streamer having an eating disorder so out of the question?

the worries that mcyttwt has for their streamers, like the current ones, i just wish they'd let them go and focus on more uncomfortable questions that moreso pertain to them changing their ways. like yes ranboo has facial dysmorphia but can you ask yourself why? like why does he feel like he can't see himself the way others see him?? maybe it has to do with insane expectations put on him and the way he "should" look based on how people talk about him on the internet? or sure, dream has a really strict diet, but i wonder why? maybe because so much emphasis is put on dream's body in fanart, almost to a creepy point (slut week?? where we draw dream in bdsm related gear with his body almost half naked and 9/10 times he has abs and the tiniest waist known to man??) and it makes him feel like he has to look like that? or wilbur or quackity or george and the list goes on and on. people need to learn to mind their words, especially since one of the biggest differences between kpop idols and mcyters is that they DO see all this. lisa from blackpink isnt going to see the random edtwt account on twitter using her for thinspo but dream WILL see you making comments on his body and the way you think he's going to look when he eventually face reveals. it fucks with them on a weird level, especially sicne this really wasn't what they expected when they began their streaming careers and youtube journeys, and i think we need to start treating streamer's mental health more seriously and maybe learning to read inbetween the lines, even when it's uncomfortable to do so, and even if it crosses a boundary or two. because at the end of the day, calling out unhealthy behaviour will always be the right choice, even if its . hard . and causes a lot of discomfort.

#and thank you for calling me based :3 #i really appreciate it #its really ncie to just know . that im not pulling this from my ass and people get what im trying to say

[comradeboyhalo]

I agree with your point about charity pages, etc! Ofc idk why for certain but i’ve often wondered if it has something to do with the age of the fanbases? (As in literally how long they’ve been around, not by demographic).

Stantwt has been /noticeably/ around for years longer, so it’s had more time to ,, settle is completely the wrong word bc stantwt is also very much a hellhole particularly in bigger fandoms. But kind of establish itself more? So there’s been time to establish charity accounts, tutoring accounts, etc, and for them to settle to something that is accessible and has a set way of running. and also to have integrated them into the community more.

Vs mcyttwt. Which has been around a while don’t get me wrong! but in its current form (aka dsmp/mcc/etc as a unifying sort of thing, and with it a very socially conscious fan base with a lot of power behind it). that’s really (to my understanding) only taken off so much in about the past year. And the fandom is expanding //so// quickly now. Idk in my eyes, a very rapidly expanding and relatively recently (in its current form) fan base, means that the fan base isn’t always organised (???? again not really the right word here) enough to establish those kind of charity/tutoring/voting pages, etc. and integrate them into the community to a level where they’re actually known about and seen as impactful.

Idk though. I got into kpop 2015, so a bit before it really started to blow up. But i only got into mcyttwt dec 2020, so very much after it had started to rapidly blow up, so i don’t really want to make too many assumptions about what it was like before then. But at the same time, I get the impression that stantwt had a ‘slower’ start that allowed charity/streaming/study accounts etc to have a more solid start ig? They were established as almost ‘go-to’ accounts that you just //immediately// know of when entering the fandoms, rather than mcyt where (at least when i entered) i didn’t really find many of those ‘go to’ accounts that just ,, everyone knew about and followed.

Also!! Another quick point — I think the fandom cultures are quite different. Stantwt actively works towards voting/streaming goals - its used to having organised accounts that are dedicated to certain causes. So extrapolating to dedicated tutoring/charity accounts isn’t too much of a leap. I don’t think there’s really any equivalent to that sort of stuff in mcyt fan communities.

Anyway, this was kind of long and i’m very sorry bc it was mostly a stream of consciousness when I read your asks but yeah! That’s my two cents haha (and yeah again i do want to stress v quickly that stantwt is just ,, there’s so much of it that is such a mess and i am in no way in this message trying to say it’s inherently better than mcyt twt or vice versa)

oh yeah 100% agree, also my eyes are starting to blur so i might not have read what u said completely right but the set up of the fandoms are very different

#ask #long post #if any1 else wants to speak on this they can dm me bc im so tired i cant answer eloquently in one ask

[comradeboyhalo]

re: charity on kpoptwt vs mcyttwt (long text warning sorry ahshshs i’m majoring in organizational studies so i like this stuff)

i think there’s a lot of factors involved like how most dsmp viewers specifically are younger and use their parents’ money for subs/aren’t subbed to anyone. esp quackity’s had to tell his chat several times to not use their parents credit card without permission.

but kpop fanbases have actual organizations for fan clubs that are professionally run and usually communicate with the company/managers. or those photo accs that distribute candids of idols i forgot what they’re called lmao but usually they’re held strictly accountable for money transactions.

also! twitch can be more of an individual experience depending on how you use it. the way the kpop industry works is that if you have more money, you get a better experience with all the albums, fansigns and concerts. on the other hand, all you need is a free twitch/yt account to enjoy mcyt content which means a lot of ppl who can’t afford to spend a lot of money will gravitate towards that type of content. whether you spend money or not doesn’t affect the twitch experience as much as it does with kpop. so tldr: mcyttwt is mostly young ppl who aren’t organized enough or older ppl who would rather donate to their streamer for specific reasons

yeah thats true im aware of the age demographic but my main thought is the fact that not even the big accs rly push any sort of organized charity movement? which, again, surprises me bc theyre so big on activism.

(also idk if ur on armytwt or not but im not talking abt fanbases that are in touch with the company or fansites. accs like oiaa was completely started up by fans, same with the tutoring accs and funds for bangtan. im p sure most international fanbases don't have ties to bighit?)

#ask