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theshadowrealmitself · 7 months
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Thinking about the versions of Joe Chill where he was only trying to rob the Waynes and didn’t mean to kill them
Currently rotating it in my mind that Bruce’s parents’ death was an accident viewed as cold blooded murder and Dick’s parents’ death was a cold blooded murder viewed as an accident
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shyjusticewarrior · 8 months
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Bruce's mother was killed by a thief, he falls for killers and thieves. Reverse Oedipus complex.
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mattiebluebird · 2 months
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Bro I just realized Dax was heavily implied to be Joe Chill's son 😭 & dc just threw that plot line away???
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sebeth · 3 months
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Who's Who In The DC Universe: Batman of Earth-One and the Batman of Earth-Two
Batman of Earth-Two by Dave Gibbons & Batman of Earth-One by Dick Giordano
Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman had versions on Earth-One and Earth-Two, mainly due to being members of the Justice Society and the Justice League. Other heroes like the Flash (Jay Garrick/Barry Allen) and Green Lantern (Alan Scott/Hal Jordan) were separate individuals using the same identity on different earths while the Trinity were always Bruce, Clark, and Diana.
The easiest way to cover the Batman entries would be to start with the similarities:
Both Batmen are named Bruce Wayne and hail from Gotham City
Parents were named Thomas and Martha Wayne
Both have an uncle named Philip Wayne
Thomas and Martha Wayne were murdered by Joe Chill after leaving a movie theater. A traumatized Bruce witnessed the murders.
Bruce spent his formative years developing his mind and body to perfection.
Bruce adopted the Batman identity. A large bat crashing through a den in Wayne Manor inspired the creation of the Batman.
At first Batman had a rocky relationship with the police but later formed a partnership with Jim Gordon
Bruce took the recently orphaned Dick Grayson under his wing. Dick later became Robin the Boy Wonder.
And now, the details unique to each version:
Earth-Two:
While Thomas was shot by Joe Chill (causing his death), the shock of seeing his death caused Martha to have a fatal heart attack.
Bruce was placed under the guardianship of his Uncle Phillip who raised him to adulthood.
Bruce moved back into Wayne Manor after coming into his inheritance.
Batman carried a gun in his first few cases but soon gave it up.
He was a charter member of the Justice Society and the All-Star Squadron.
He maintained his playboy image until the late 1950s, when he married Selina Kyle (Catwoman).
He semi-retired the Batman identity once he reached middle age and became the Gotham City Police Commissioner upon Jim Gordon’s retirement.
Bruce and Selena had a daughter named Helena.
Selina died at the hands of a former criminal colleague, inspiring Helena to become the Huntress. Bruce gave up the Batman identiy entirely after Selina’s death.
A year after the debut of the Huntress, Bruce donned the Batman uniform for the final time. He died aiding the Justice Society, saving Gotham from a super-powered criminal.
Relatives unique to Earth-Two Bruce: Selina Kyle (wife), Helena Wayne (daughter), and Karl Kyle (brother-in-law).
Earth-One:
Relatives unique to Earth-One Bruce: Lord Elwood Wayne (uncle, deceased)
A young (pre-murders) Bruce Wayne admired a costume Thomas wore to a party. It would later inspire the creation of the Batman uniform.
Joe Chill was acting under the orders of Lew Moxon. Moxon was seeking revenge against Thomas Wayne as his testimony had sent Moxon to prison.
Bruce way placed under the care of his uncle Philip. Philip was a world-class traveler, so Bruce spent his formative years under the guidance of Philip’s housekeeper, Mrs. Chilton. Unknown to Bruce, Chilton was Joe Chill’s mother.
Bruce served an apprenticeship under Harvey Harris (the world’s foremost detective) while training to be Batman.
Frustrated by laws that seemed to help criminals more than their victims, Bruce left law school.
As on Earth-Two, Bruce took Dick Grayson under his wing. The difference being that Dick’s costume was inspired by the one Bruce wore while serving as an apprentice under Harvey Harris.
Bruce left his playboy image for a time and devoted himself to running Wayne Enterprises and building the Wayne Foundation into one of the world’s foremost philanthropic organizations. He later relinquished his day-to-day involvement in the organizations to devote more time to being Batman.
Bruce has recently become the guardian of Jason Todd, a young circus performer whose parents were murdered by Croc. Todd has since become the new Robin.
Batman, a founding member of the Justice League, has recently resigned due to a philosophical dispute over law and justice.
He has recently formed a new team called the Outsiders.
The next few entries are of Batman’s utility belt, the Batmobile, the Batplane, and the Batboat. Mostly drawings with some basic information.
Everybody knows Batman. Ask any non-comic book fans to name a superhero, and you have a ninety percent chance of the person responding with Batman. He’s had a bazillion comic books where he is the focus and has made millions of guest appearances in other comics. As for non-comic book media…he’s easily the most featured hero of all time. No one else comes close. Batman has starred in radio dramas, multiple movies and tv series, along with many cartoon series and animated movies. And numerous video games. Not to mention all the merchandising.
Whether you love or hate the character, if you were to make a list of the top 100 super-heroes of all time, you would have a hard time justifying not putting Batman in the #1 spot.
I love certain versions of Bruce (the bronze age, BTAS/DCAU, Justice League International, Young Justice cartoon, Wayne Family Adventures) and despise others (the majority of the 2000s).
As for the actual Who’s Who entries:
I miss the Bruce – Selina marriage. The cop-out during the King run was lame. And infuriating if you spent money on all the tie-in issues (which I did not).
I wish Helena would be born during curing continuity (I know adult Helena is running with the JSA but I want baby Helena just for the interactions with her bat-siblings).
If the “Bruce was placed under a housekeeper’s care while his guardian travelled the world” bit was canon in the post-Crisis era it would have been a great element to add to the Bruce-Tim Drake bond.
I don’t like the Dick’s costume was inspired by Bruce bit. Dick’s Robin indentiy is inspired by his parents only.
I hate Jason’s pre-Crisis origin. “He’s exactly like Dick but with red hair but we’ll dye it black” – that’s the best you could do, DC? Seriously?
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momachan · 2 months
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"But she can't tell about what happened that day... The day of the movie... She loved the movie... But after it, when the Wayne family was threatened by Joe Chill... Her dad was a cop. Sworn to protect. He took his duty very seriously. Mom tried to stop him, pull him back... but then... they both... fell down. Her whole world died... and a new creature of the night was born. Orphaned, Barbara was taken in by the Wayne family... She began preparing... finding the cave... and the denizens of its dark... Making crime pay for its own persecution... Developing the electronic arquitecture for Oracle... Being discovered by Bruce, who added his own talent and Wayne money to the cause... all this created Batgirl."
Elseworlds: Justice League Vol. 1 (DC Elseworlds). "Elseworlds Finest: Supergirl & Batgirl."
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why-i-love-comics · 10 months
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Multiversity: Harley Screws Up the DCU #5 (2023)
written by Frank Tieri art by Logan Faerber
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nightwings-robin · 1 year
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having some feelings about Joe Chill in this Chili's tonight.
I often hate how Joe Chill and the Wayne murders are handled, specifically when it's part of some bigger grand scheme as opposed to just a regular everyday mugging and how that relates to Bruce as a character. I feel like something is lost when Thomas and Martha are killed because of some conspiracy or whatever. I think it takes away from one of the core reasons why Bruce became Batman in the first place.
like it's supposed to be a random act of senseless violence! not some huge conspiracy with a secret group controlling Gotham or because of some mob connection. I don't want Joe Chill to be in the Court of Owl or be a Talon or a hired hit-man or to be a mob boss or or or
I think Joe Chill works best as a character and plot device when he is simply a guy who needed some quick cash and robbed the first wealthy people he saw. (maybe killing them was an accident or maybe he did mean to kill all three but didn't realize that he didn't have enough bullets for Bruce. idk haven't figured that part out yet)
it doesn't have to be any more grand than that!
Bruce became Batman so that he could stop random acts of violence from tearing families apart. so that no one else has to watch their loved ones get murdered right in front of them.
that is the core of what he does and why he does it.
making his parents be the target of the Owls or the mob or whatever kind of takes that away imo.
AND ANOTHER THING
I don't like when stories have Bruce figure out who killed his parents. I like it to be a mystery! I like the irony of Bruce being the World's Greatest Detective but the one case he can't solve is his own.
the irony! the drama! the frustration! the feelings of inadequacy!
he keeps going back to the case. HIS case. trying to find new leads, new evidence, new anything. but there is none! because there was no rhyme or reason to the killings. it was just some guy who needed money. and that could be anyone.
I feel like Bruce never being able to find the guy who killed his parents would actually be better for his character growth than if he ever was able to confront Joe Chill. it would push him harder to want to be a better detective. it would give him more drive! like yeah I do want him to have some closure and some solace but I also have a lot of feelings about his pursuit of finding his parents killer being ultimately fruitless and bleak.
it could also add a layer to his relationship with his kids, specifically the ones who also have murdered parents. but the thing is, all them who have dead parents know who the killers were. there's no mystery to who killed Dick's parents, or Jason's parents, or Tim's parents. Bruce can relate to them all for having murdered parents but he can't relate to actually having that closer of Who Did It.
it's what drives him to help Dick take down Tony Zucco. it's about the guilt he feels knowing his own friend Harvey Dent killed Jason's father. it's about how he couldn't save Sheila Haywood from the Joker along with Jason. it's about how Jack Drake was killed by a villain that Bruce easily would have taken down had he been there. it's about how he couldn't actually save any of his kids bio parents but has solace knowing that at least they won't lie awake at night wondering who it was that killed them like he's done every single damn day since he was eight years old.
does anyone else have as many thoughts and feelings about Joe Chill as I do???
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about-faces · 8 months
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Mrs. Chilton, the most important woman in Batman’s life, from Batman #208 (1969)
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oifaaa · 2 years
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Damian Wayne being possessed by the evil spirit of Joe Chill you know the man who killed Bruce Wayne's parents isn't something I ever thought would happen in dc comics but you know what it has and now we all gotta live with it
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birdsbats-madness · 2 months
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bruce in the alley where his parents were killed with the guy who started it all. here bruce is standing, the boy who never let go of the pain that came from losing both of his parents right before his eyes in this very place. with the man who killed them, in this very place. apologising and begging for forgiveness, while accepting his fate of death. mhmmmm
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thedupshadove · 8 months
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Much ink has been spilled about the thematic importance of Joe Chill being Just Some Guy, but I think an under-discussed part if it is how this creates the most uncomfortable possible position for Bruce if he ever manages to track the man down.
Like, by that point he'll have tangled with the likes of the Joker and the Penguin, and he'll have learned in detail about the social factors that lead to small-time crime, and he will (if he's a good Batman) be putting his all behind combatting those things at the source rather than retaliating against everyone who ever had to take desperate measures to feed themselves. But none of that will make the pain and grief and trauma go away.
So he's left in this place of "My grief won't allow me the closure of forgiving you, but my sense of ethics won't allow me the closure of killing you, or even getting as angry at you as I'd like."
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dailydccomics · 1 year
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Joe Chill’s demise Batman Adventures vol 2 #17
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mattiebluebird · 1 month
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Theory that Daxton Chill (from We Are Robin) is actually the son of Max Chill, Joe Chill's brother. Evidence: in the canon where Max exists, the Chills last name is actually Chilton (and their mom helped raise Bruce but thats a whole other story). And it's totally possible that Max named Daxton as an homage to that. Also Max and Dax is funny.
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stevebuscemieyes · 6 months
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Ethan Hawke dressed up as his ‘The Black Phone’ character for Halloween, 2022 📞.
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truegeorge · 6 months
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Batman's Rouge's Gallery
Fandango’s one word challenge: Gallery The first thought that popped up in my head for Fandango’s word for today was a comic book that I used to enjoy reading when I was an up-and-coming youth. That comic book was Detective Comics (DC) Batman’s Rogue Gallery. Each story in that monthly comic book series have Batman pitted against his frequent foes. The battle of wits, detective work, and…
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