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kinnsporsche · 2 years
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once again an episode that made me absolutely lose my mind!!! kp are so in love and they finally said it!! although, i would have liked it better if they said it to each other in private first but oh well can't have everything. and porsche is officially a stay at home wife i love that for him. the scene when p was drying kinn’s hair though, it was the softest shit i have ever seen in my life <3 i also loved the scenes with taytime they are always so good i wish they had more screen time. 1/4
and we got the kimchay breakup :/ i was expecting it but it still hurt. I still have hope that they will end up together. however, the most important part of this episode (for me) was vegaspete!!! god these two make me go insane. the way we went from sadistic torture to that convo at the end. bible and build's chemistry is actually unbelievable i can't get enough of these sick motherfuckers. and don't even get me started on the cinematography like the lights and the shots and just the whole atmosphere it was so good and so sexy and I’m gonna need 3-5 business days to recover. that preview was the final nail in my coffin i don't think i can wait a whole week for more. I’ve read some metas about them but honestly I don’t even care if vegas changes for pete or not. their relationship is so fucked up on so many levels that I don’t think it can really be redeemed. certainly not in 3 episodes. and honestly does he need to be? can’t he just stay the fucked up villain that he is? I wouldn’t mind. I’m just here to enjoy some toxic fictional men be sexy and gay and so far they did just that so I’m satisfied. I can’t believe we only have 3 episodes left T_T I don’t know what I will do when this show ends. (I hope you’re doing well )
omg my kp anon i've missed u so much!!!!
for me i'd always had a hc that kinn had a hard time saying ily to anybody bcs he'd been burned by love in the past so he hated saying it but this show roundhouse kicked that in the face and left me obliterated at the scene this mf is out here shouting it from rooftops to anybody who'll listen good for him
god you know what sends me absolutely feral? kinn casually mentioning his mother to porsche. her death must still be a sore subject for him, nobody talks about it we've hardly had any mention of her and for him to just be like "my mother used to do this for me" god how long has it been since someone's taken care of him like that? and now here's porsche the biggest caretaker in the world just so ready and willing to do everything he can to take care of kinn bcs thats his love language and he loves him sm i just y'all mind if i break the fuck down real fast
pls the kimchay break up!!!! like kimothy i get why you did what you did but that doesn't mean me and tankhun won't beat your ass for it bestie 😔😔 you made the baby cry. like he's literally alread living at the estate, he can't get anymore involved with the mafia, but i guess kim was literally just faced with the reality of porchay being kidnapped because of his ties to the mafia through his brother, and he's probably thinking about how much worse it'll be if he's tied to the mafia through HIM, he's probably thinking about all their enemies and how much of a target it'd make him so he's being a self-sacrificing little shit about it god tankhun needs to hit him with a tray and knock some sense into him
i haven't been that eager about the vp arc yet, im betting that'll probably change in today's ep and next weeks ep 👀 just wanna see pete humble that man so bad, and i dont want vegas to stop being a bad person just bcs he gets with pete ykwim? he's interesting because he's a villain lets keep it that way besties. i do bet he'll get a redemption arc, i've mentioned this to a few people i talk to but with the way things are going it made me wonder if the big shootout at the major family house in the promo where vegas is framed as a big bad is actually misleading and vegas'll be there to help kinn and the major family and maybe put a bullet in his dad's head i just wish him a very big die even if i will miss the dilf 😔
pls dont mention that we only have 3 episodes left pls dont mention that theres only 2 more weeks of kinnporsche or i'll start to eat glass
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bittywitches · 2 years
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I know it wouldn’t have worked as well musically but I keep thinking about how it would’ve been nice if in All of you, instead of Mariano saying “I see you” and Dolores saying “I hear you” it was the other way around because Dolores had spent all this time listening to Mariano on her own and now she finally gets to see him in this way, and now it’s Mariano’s turn to hear her?? To listen to her??? That would’ve been cute????
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changebydjo · 3 years
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IMPORTANT - PLEASE READ
 so i’ve put off writing this for a long, long time, and it’ll be painful for me to make this post but at this point i feel like it needs to be done. someone within the liz fandom has been lying, gaslighting and manipulating me as well as many others, both online and offline, and after getting proof on everything (plus their lack of remorse) has prompted me to write this.
this is about gil perez, aka @unrated-g, and one of his irl friends, kim @kimbus-the-whimbus, to a lesser extent, but mostly gil. since 2016 - nearly 5 years now - he’s been lying that he’s best friends with liz gillies. i’m gonna put a read more because it’s a long, insane, and ridiculous thing that happened, but please read all of it and know how serious this is, as well as all the damage this man has done.
i met gil through tumblr in 2018 - he had been replying my posts since before that, but early 2018 is when i followed him and started chatting with him casually. over time, i noticed that he would reblog posts about liz and in the tags he would seem to be talking to her or referencing her, but not by her name - instead he would call her “goblin”. he would mention things that “goblin” liked or behind the scenes on dynasty stuff, and after a few weeks of noticing this and chatting with him about dynasty/liz, i ended up asking him if he was friends with liz/knew her personally because of the way he spoke about her. he confirmed to me that he knew her, she was one of his best friends, and he “didn’t expect” anyone to pick up on it. he told me to keep it private and i agreed, obviously, because i had no reason to not trust him, and i know that liz values her privacy.
it’s important to note that liz does NOT follow him or any of his accounts from her verified twitter or instagram accounts - instead, he said she had an “extremely private” encrypted tumblr account that could only be seen by people she follows/white listed. he was one of them. her blog would not show up for anyone else, and they met through tumblr in 2016 (even though he said she followed him back in 2010 and he didn’t realize until 6 years later) through their mutual love for uncharted, and bonded over playing uncharted 4 multiplayer together. it’s also important to note that liz has had 2 tumblr accounts since 2010, both of which she has abandoned, and he said that her private tumblr is separate from those two. she also was friends with him (according to him) through PSN, where they would play ps4 games together, and all of his text convos with her are from that app:
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(^ “liz’s” PSN account)
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throughout all of 2018, we would text on a regular basis and started becoming good friends. he was extremely kind, always willing to be there for me, and listened to me about not only fandom stuff but also my irl problems. he also became friends with my friend group, who were also in the liz fandom, and it was really nice for a while. in october of 2018, gil said he went to HHN with liz and matt in LA, and for xmas of 2018, he said he spent it with liz - both in LA and in NJ, which is what she typically does to spend her holidays with her family and friends. her pale blue eyes cover was also for him, according to gil, because he asked for her to cover it specifically and she did just for him.
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gil would also occasionally stream for friends, and sometimes liz would show up:
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beginning of 2019 is when gil and i started getting much closer - we started playing games together (mostly mario kart, at the beginning) and talking through voice chat. he would talk about liz and personal things about her/her life or dynasty, and he always willingly supplied that information himself - i never asked for it, i wasn’t friends with him to get information on liz or have an “in” with her. chatting with him made me feel good and happy and important to him, and i realized i started having feelings for him - which i told him about in april 2019. he said he wasn’t sure exactly how he felt but he thought he might feel the same, the only really complicated part (besides the fact that this was long distance/not irl) was that he also had a really deep crush on liz, someone who was his best friend/ultimate celeb crush. he was really like in love with her, even though he said he tried to suppress it. anyways, after me admitting that to him, our friendship started to develop into something more. we weren’t ever in an official relationship, but things were definitely not strictly platonic with us. we went from chatting once every week or two to almost every single night for 3-6 hours per night for MONTHS. throughout that time, our relationship became sexual, too, and my feelings for him just continued to get deeper and deeper.
this continues throughout the rest of 2019, and then new years 2020, everything just...goes to shit asap. gil got really distant with me with no explanation, i felt like all the affection he was showing me and the kind things he would say to me, as well as our bonding time when we would chat together, was just ripped away unexpectedly. i constantly asked what was wrong and what was happening, and told him how i feel, and i got no real response besides just being tired/non-sociable, etc. (which, for the record, is completely understandable, but it was such a huge 180 in behavior that it worried me and things never went back to normal after that). in addition to that, kim (who was mentioned at the beginning of this post) is one of his best friends irl, as well as his on again/off again ex (according to him). anyways, there were posts that she had made that indicated to them not being exes and instead still together - or at the very least not platonic - which crushed me when i found out, because until that point i had no reason not to trust him. i told him about it though, and how it hurt me because my feelings were so deep for him at that point i felt that i loved him, and he told me they weren’t together. this isn’t really necessary for the liz stuff of this post, but it’s important for context for how hurt and on edge i was already feeling before things got worse.
we would still chat maybe a few times a week, but nothing like it used to be, and i was happy we would even chat at all, even though things felt so weird and different and off, and no matter what i did, i couldn’t fix it. as 2020 started going on, and this continued, his friendship with liz started making me feel extremely uncomfortable. knowing that he had the weird boundaries with his ex, plus whatever was going on with me and him, AND that he was in love with liz?? it was unsettling. i felt like i couldn’t compare, because it’s *liz gillies*, someone i obviously love and idolize and look up to. and she was up on a pedestal for him, even though he said that he never tried to treat liz differently than his other close friends just bc of who she was, but that wasn’t true. anything that she said or did, he agreed with 100%, and would defend it. when he and i would chat, and i would mention something about dynasty that bothered me, he would talk about what liz’s thoughts were on it and how she felt and that she was right to feel that way and it made me feel awful. this happened on multiple occasions throughout various topics, from dynasty to fandom stuff to liz’s friendships/relationships, etc. no matter what, to gil, liz was always right and he always had an explanation for anything that happened. the way he would describe liz and the thing he said about her made me see her in a completely different light - she was not the same liz that she presented herself as, at least in gil’s eyes. 
he would always talk about how amazing liz was to him and how she did so much for him, such as buying him gifts, supporting his art, etc. this was hurtful to hear because i was doing the exact same things for him, as well as our group of friends: we had been buying his art (not only the art prints but the ACTUAL original copies), sending him gifts or money for gifts, supporting him and his art on social media, as well as just being a genuine friend to him. he never appreciated or thanked us the way that he thanked liz; none of us ever compared to her, even though we were doing the exact same thing for him that he said liz was doing, as well. it made me feel like no matter what i did, or how supportive i was, i was never enough.
we also had a discord with gil, that involved him, me, and my friends sarah, hope, amanda, and dom. within this discord, it’s worth noting that gil was the only man there, and would talk about liz and his friendship with her there, unprompted. we never asked for info, he volunteered everything willingly, and we all kind of glossed over it at the time because we weren’t friends with him for liz or any of that.
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(the screenshot gil linked in the gc is what “liz’s” private encrypted blog looks like on his dash. please note the edit post button in the bottom right of the screenshot.)
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another important thing about his friendship with liz/being in love with her: he has this specific kink (which i don’t want to say what it is for privacy reasons) and he said that liz was engaging in this kink herself, and that he was jealous of liz’s bf/wishes he could engage in it with liz, etc. i wasn’t into this kink before talking to him but because i had liked him so much at the time, and i was slightly jealous that he wanted it with liz, i thought that i could indulge in it for him. it was something that i was not physically or mentally prepared for/able to make happen, and it really caused an impact on me, and he just...didn’t care. at all.
anyways: this stuff continues, then around summer 2020, my friend sarah reached out to him. she (and my friends, along with me) were starting to distrust the things gil was saying about liz, since it went completely against what liz would say herself. she would say she only plays the sims 3 on her computer - he would say she was a huge gamer and played the sims 4 on ps4, along with minecraft, uncharted, the last of us, horizon zero dawn, etc. he would say that liz and maddison brown (her dynasty co-star) played ACNH with him and quickly got to 5 stars - liz said in a zach sang interview that she didn’t play animal crossing. every time something didn’t add up, his excuse was that liz was lying for her privacy. she didn’t follow gil on any verified social media accounts in case “people harassed him” over being friends with her. so sarah texted him that she needed to talk to him about the liz stuff, because there was evidence it wasn’t true, and he denied all of it. he firmly stuck to his story, and sarah gave him multiple chances over several days to come clean and he wouldn’t. she asked for simple pieces of proof that he could give her, and he wouldn’t besides fake screenshots of her “private blog”:
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 he told me afterwards that if it comes between his friendship with liz or sarah’s, he’s picking liz - end of story. his and sarah’s friendship was done after that because of his decision. he blamed sarah for “ruining” liz and maddison’s friendship because of her asking for proof, and made her out to be the bad one in that situation. he ended up deleting the discord gc after this happened, with all of his screenshots/”info” as liz as well (we got screenshots of things before he deleted it though, much more that’s shown in this post).
about a month later, my friend léa also confronted him about it. gil had told her some things about liz’s “reaction” to meeting léa in paris, and at the time, it had made the experience more special for her. once she realized it was all lies, though, it really hurt her - he altered that special experience for her and twisted it into something that wasn’t real. he had the same reaction to léa’s conversation as he did to sarah’s, and he refused to tell the truth. their friendship was done with after, as well, along with a few other people from the liz fandom. i was the only one who stayed friends with him after that, and that was because i was closest with him and still trying to see if i could fix things with him. i was still naively believing that he would treat me okay again, he would make me feel important instead of always a backup option, that he wanted me again. 
but of course that never happened. he continued to ignore me, talk to me less and less, and would subtweet me on his private account. after he stopped being friends with sarah and léa and everyone blocked him except for me, i was the only follower on his private account, as well as being the only person he followed there. gil, though, kept saying that liz had a “private twitter” where she would talk to him on his private account. he also said that he had “merged twitter accounts” into one, which was his private, which messed up his account and wouldn’t show who he was replying to, quote rts, or that he was following them, which - if you have a twitter, you KNOW none of that can actually happen. but it was his excuse to constantly subtweet me and my friends for not believing him, to maintain his story, AND to have convos with “liz” on there that only i could see, where he made it sound like he was talking shit about me to her. it was extremely manipulative and served no purpose except to fuck with me, because he knew that i was the only one seeing those tweets and knew i was already struggling with not knowing what to believe. here’s some of them:
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(you can very clearly see that i’m the only follower/following on that account, the number is at literally 1, and he STILL was acting like he was talking to someone else and that other people were following him.)
now comes jan. 2021!! WE GOT DEFINITE PROOF THAT IT WAS ALL LIES. from multiple people. one of liz’s close best friends (that gil included in his stories about her, saying that he met them) said that they don’t know who gil is, have never met him, and it’s best for us all to block him for our own safety. a co-worker of liz’s (who was, again, included in gil’s lies, that he hung out with them multiple times, played games with them online, and bought him gifts) said that not only had they never met gil, but EVERYTHING he said about them was untrue. they even listed the inaccuracies he would say about them, such as gil taking photos of them at things like the SWT, and they confirmed who actually took the photo. they said that “none of it is fucking true” and that gil is a narcissistic liar, and also encouraged us to block him for our own safety. 
i confronted gil myself about this a few weeks ago, and he continued to maintain his story that everyone’s lying to protect his privacy - even though we know for sure that wasn’t the case. he FINALLY owned up to it to me only once he saw i had proof and he was caught, and his reason for doing it was “he was bored”. he said he was sorry but he wasn’t truly apologetic - he either didn’t fully realize the scope of how hurtful his lies and manipulations were, or he just didn’t care, but the bottom line is that he always chose his fantasy of liz over his actual friends. around this time, once he knew he was caught, he also deactivated his private account, but brought it back a week or so later, with all of the subtweets and tweets about liz being deleted. all of the unverified accounts that were supposed to be liz - the tumblr account, psn, twitch, etc. - were all fake and made by him, so he could make it seem more real.
even if he WAS telling the truth about being friends with liz, he still would have completely violated her privacy by the amount of “secret” things he told all of us - from her kinks/sex life, to work life, to very personal things that he claims happened to her. knowing it’s all fake though, and he made up an entire personality and life for liz that doesn’t exist??? it’s insane.
now the part with kim - she’s known gil irl for over 10 years, and has tweeted about liz all the time, about how “good” liz is to her because of gil, and that she’s the one who encouraged him to talk to her. she brags about it constantly, even though none of it is real. she also tweeted multiple times throughout 2018-2019 about how gil “finally deserves to meet liz in person”, even though gil said he met liz irl back in 2017 or so - AND that she came to texas, where he lives, to meet him and his friends. when asked about her tweets, he said that kim’s account was “messed up” and her tweets weren’t “tweeted at the right time”. one of my friends reached out to tell her and show her the proof of gil lying, because gil has been lying to her and other people irl too, and instead she mocked us, belittled us, and chose not to believe a group of women coming to her about a 30 year old (!!) man manipulating us. gil said that kim was “aware of it all being a lie for years now” to me, but i think that was another lie, that he’s STILL lying to her about it. if not, then that means that kim was also lying for many years about knowing liz too, and used it to make us all the butt of her joke, so. so much for her being an “empath” and wanting to help people but anyways!!
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the last screenshot is of her subtweeting us and implying that everyone involved with liz is lying for her and gil’s privacy, even though we have proof that that simply isn’t true.
i’m sorry for how long this is, but i need people to understand how serious this is. he’s been lying for 5 YEARS now about knowing liz - about her “accidentally sending nudes” to him, that gil is one of her best friends and he would’ve been at her wedding, that she’s a huge gamer who plays with him - all of it. it’s all lies. he created a fantasy version of liz that doesn’t exist, and incorporated into his real life, his friendships both online and off, and made it his entire personality. he’s not sorry about what he’s done - as i’m writing this, he’s still on tumblr, talking in the tags to “liz” again, because he’d rather uphold his fantasy life where he’s best friends with liz when in reality, she has no idea he even exists. and if she did, i’m certain that she would be disgusted with what he’s done. he lied about her, oversexualized her, used his kinks on her which was brought onto me - someone he knew that was vulnerable and had feelings for him, manipulated people into trying to believe his lies, gaslit people to make them unable to tell what was true and what was fake, and had absolutely zero respect for any of us. he even listened to me cry to him on the phone MULTIPLE times about how insecure and worthless i felt to him compared to liz, and he didn’t do ANYTHING about it. he sat there and listened to me cry, knowing he could own up to his lie, and he chose not to. he’s not sorry about what he’s done, and he’s going to continue to spread his lies. please block him. i can’t express how much he’s hurt me, the therapy that i need to have because of him, how much he’s hurt my friends and how little he respects women in general tbh. he always tried to come off as “one of the good guys” but now i know he’s harmful and not to be trusted. he even tried to separate me from my friends, and make it seem like they’re the ones making this situation even harder for him. i’ve tried so, so many times to get through to him, waiting to see if he’d change or show some remorse or anything, but after over a year of this i don’t think he will, and it genuinely hurts me to know that. BLOCK HIM.
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TGF Thoughts: 4x03-- The Gang Gets a Call from HR
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We pick up with a reminder of where we left off last week: Xo’s restaurant being torn down. (Captions call her “Martha” but I’m fairly certain her name is “Marta” on this show)
Diane confronts Canning and taunts him with the deep pockets of STR Laurie. Canning is unfazed and Diane leaps into action. Diane thinks things are going to go her way.
Frank Landau is in reception and Marissa spots him and immediately unleashes an intense series of verbal attacks about how Eli shouldn’t send messengers if he has something to say and how she might marry a Republican. She rants and rants until Adrian shows up to greet Frank. For once, he’s not here to make Marissa’s life harder.
I do love moments like this. One, they’re hilarious. Two, Marissa thinking he MUST be there for her and also referencing her dad is just fantastic.
Landau is really there to talk to Adrian and Liz (and pointedly not Diane) about the DNC’s efforts to engage black voters. Landau wants RBL to come up with a strategy. As Adrian points out, this is a question for a PR firm. But Landau wants RBL-- they’re a black run firm and they’ve worked with the DNC before (though they fired Liz from the impeachment thing-- did we know that?), and, most importantly, they come with attorney-client privilege. 
“Dammit!” Jay exclaims when he can’t find the injunction for Diane’s case in the system. “I just told our top client to fuck off; whatever you’re dealing with can’t be worse,” Marissa responds. Heh.
Marissa can’t find it either.
God bless the loud beeping noise that happens whenever anyone can’t find a legal document. No one would have their sound on (okay, maybe Diane would) which makes this little detail hilarious to me. 
The system says the case doesn’t exist. Before Jay can investigate further, Adrian tells him he’s needed in the conference room. Jay wonders what’s wrong. Then Adrian goes to collect Lucca, who is chatting with Bianca (their convo is friendly but basically sounds like a rehash of what we saw last ep, with Lucca being like “I am a real person who has to do work” and Bianca being like “But being rich is fun!”). Lucca also asks what’s wrong and Adrian wants to know why everyone keeps asking that. Uh, because you interrupted them with a vague urgent request? That always raises red flags…
Jay goes to Diane before he reports to the conference room and shows her that the case she argued a couple of days prior doesn’t exist. This reminds me of Kresteva’s mind game but on a much bigger, scarier level.
Landau asks all the black employees of the firm, who have been gathered in the conference room, what the biggest issue facing black people today is. This feels exceedingly inappropriate. Helping the DNC brainstorm isn’t part of the job description of a lawyer (or a mailroom attendee) and it doesn’t sound like this meeting was voluntary. And who is going to be open about this with their bosses and a client present?! 
“Lack of voting rights,” someone finally volunteers. Racism and police brutality get added to the list too, as does institutional racism. 
When Landau asks what the Democratic Party is doing to combat racism, the room begins to buzz and Jay speaks up to say the DNC is doing “jack shit to combat racism.” He wants to know where the policies are if the DNC cares so much.
Lucca tries to walk his point back by saying Democrats are trying, but one of the mailroom guys pipes up and says he doesn’t feel like the Party is talking to him or giving him a reason to miss work to vote. It is ridiculous that election day isn’t a national holiday.
Landau steps out for a moment and Adrian asks the room to tone down the DNC bashing. I feel like this is an unwinnable situation. If the people in the room speak up and say the truth it’s offending the client; if they don’t then they aren’t providing the insights needed. I know this plot exists mostly so our characters can have this convo but oof, this is not the right setting for this conversation. 
Marissa shows up in Julius’s chambers and he’s happy to see her. She says things at STR Laurie (or “STD Laurie” as the very mature RBL employees call it) are weird.
Marissa wants info on Marta’s case. Julius can’t find it in the system either and gets the same loud beep sound. Julius awkwardly denies ruling on it, then Diane walks in. Julius gets flustered and says he’s no longer on the case and doesn’t remember the case. “Are you fucking serious?” Diane responds. “Don’t swear at me!” Julius says. “I never used to swear, ever, but now I find it useful. People look at me and think I would never swear so when I say this is fucking nuts it has added meaning and this is fucking nuts,” Diane says. Love it. Also, I think TGF does a pretty good job of having some characters swear for impact and others (looking at you Lucca) swear all the time. 
Julius does NOT like being suspected and says to “talk to Adrian’s girlfriend”.
Meanwhile at RBL, the topic is now maternal mortality. A male employee mentions that black women don’t need to be mobilized (I assume he means because they are the most reliably blue voters) and that causes cross-talk. This is one of the more interesting “everyone at RBL debate!” episodes but I don’t think the writers will ever tire of showing that an issue is controversial by getting two sentences into a debate and then having it turn into cross-talk.
Jay jumps in and changes the topic to reparations. The room gets quiet. Lucca says it’ll never happen. Hey, Rosalyn is back!!! Lots of familiar faces in this room. 
Okay I am not going to transcribe this whole discussion but it’s interesting.
All three name partners get called up to talk to Mr. Firth. 
“Whenever I see offices like this, I always think that we’re all gonna be dead some day,” Liz remarks before Mr. Firth enters. Adrian and Diane laugh and Mr. Firth walks in and asks what’s funny. The joke doesn’t land.
Mr. Firth launches into another story I don’t understand or care to listen to. The real issue is that STR Laurie thinks that RBL is billing the DNC incorrectly (RBL is getting more than STR Laurie). STR Laurie isn’t supposed to know what RBL is charging as part of the transition plan in the merger, but Mr. Firth clearly does not give a fuck about honoring that agreement. Pretty clear who has power and who is backed into a corner. This agreement was supposed to “encourage trust” but something tells me STR Laurie doesn’t actually care about encouraging trust all that much. 
After the awkward meeting, Diane, who is just now hearing of the DNC’s business, asks Liz and Adrian if it is old business (RBL’s) or new (STR Laurie’s). It could be argued either way, Liz and Adrian admit.Liz is more concerned that STR Laurie is looking at RBL’s books when they shouldn’t be. She goes to put Marissa on the case.
Diane takes this opportunity to ask Adrian about his girlfriend. Adrian explains he just wants to keep his private life private. I’ve heard that one before. Adrian tells Diane about “Memo 618” and that it intimidated Julius.
CREDITS, FINALLY. I am going to take a break and watch Zoey’s Extraordinary Playlist, a show I’ve somehow gotten hooked on despite it being completely mediocre and something I would’ve dumped after three episodes in non-quarantine times. 
And I’m back, two days later lol
Bar-Swarm’s interface looks outdated. Diane knows how to use it, though, and asks the interwebs what Memo 618 is.
Meanwhile, Marissa refers to STR Laurie as “STD Laurie” in a conversation with Adrian. She doesn’t even realize she’s doing it, which makes the joke even better. Liz and Adrian are very amused.
Marissa narrows the potential list of STR Laurie (I gotta start shortening this-- STRL?) spies down to one, a Caleb Garland who is 39 years old and used to be in the Army.
Now Diane’s case is in Judge Hazelwood’s courtroom. Canning refers to the previous trial and Diane, knowing the last case had no paper trail, insists this is the first time the case is being tried. Canning doesn’t know how to respond and it’s pretty amusing to watch him squirm. Canning really is the perfect antagonist for this case. Kresteva would’ve worked too.
The Reparations convo, and cross-talk, continue. I hate to “case stuff happens” some of the most thought provoking stuff of the ep but, again, I have nothing to add.
Adrian mentions there’s a model for reparations in Chicago and tells the story and explains the model.
The debate Landau requested is too heated for him, because he totally didn’t expect that black voters are a diverse group with differing viewpoints, and Landau thinks the solution is… to add white people to the conversation for diversity. You know, to “gauge how the ideas are landing.” The ideas they are thinking through to help the DNC motivate black voters.
Mayyyyybeeee, just maybe, the problem is that this white dude is commissioning black employees of a law firm to do emotional labor while also treating them as a monolith and being afraid to actually listen to him? And that he’s making it seem like what black people have to say is only important if white people agree? Maybe just maybe that’s part of the problem too???
Caleb is peeling a rutabaga on a game; seems pretty silly. He and Marissa chat, and she asks him why he’s on the RBL floor before I can type out the same question. He tells Marissa he’s there as a spy but he’s not a very good spy. I’m like 99.9% sure Marissa says these same words to Alicia in season six when she shows up to be the bodywoman. 
Marissa and Caleb-- who no one even knows-- join the big DNC meeting because they are white. This seems like a good use of resources.
David Lee gets to be in the conversation, and manages to both snark and take it kind of seriously. Have we ever had it confirmed that David Lee is Jewish? I know Veronica made some comments, but Marissa’s comments here make it seem much clearer he’s supposed to be Jewish. 
Adrian tells a story that Vernon Jordan once told him, and the story uses the n-word. I think we may have heard this story on TGF before, does anyone remember?
Diane’s case is back. The actual particulars of it barely matter and I hope Marta gets more to do going forward and doesn’t just disappear. Judge Hazelwood, too, gets Memo 618, and things stop going Diane’s way. Hazelwood gets pissed when Diane brings up Memo 618 in court. She holds Diane in contempt and swears. Yikes. 
Lucca gets a call to go to the HR department that FINALLY exists now that RBL has corporate overlords. She’s there because there’s been a complaint about Adrian. Before hearing the details, Lucca’s asked not to share the details and she says she can’t promise them anything. HR still shares the complaint-- Adrian used the n-word. Lucca looks amused but HR is SUPER serious about this. A black man used the n-word. Seems like… not a big deal to me? Depending on the context, of course. 
Still no results for Memo 618. And when Diane searches “What is Memo 618?” (which is an extremely specific string but ok) her computer shuts itself off. Is… is that possible? I think I just have to accept that TGF is going to do whatever it wants with tech.
Lucca immediately goes to Liz and Adrian to tell Liz (while Adrian is conveniently there) about the situation. “Apparently STR Laurie has a zero tolerance policy on inappropriate language,” Lucca explains. 
Adrian suspects Caleb; Marissa disagrees because she trusts him already. (This is also making me wonder-- David Lee isn’t RBL, yet he was in the meeting… why?)
Marissa is then instructed to feed Caleb a lie.
Jay’s computer also encounters the issue (and all the accompanying sound effects) with Bar-Swarm and calls it targeted malware. 
Marissa, extremely clumsily (and potentially intentionally clumsily), feeds Caleb the lie. 
HR’s interviewing everyone. Most people say they weren’t offended; one woman says she thinks some people might not have liked it but she thinks running to HR is an overreaction. HR says they’re there to help and hold people accountable. Fine line between holding people accountable and making mountains out of molehills in an effort to be thorough. (Without seeing-- or remembering-- how HR ends up handling this I can’t really say they’re doing a bad job… though I feel like a situation like this probably doesn’t need to involve interviewing so many employees because one or two accounts should suffice to make it clear Adrian was telling a story and quoting someone. And also this does feel like a lot of white people who are unequipped to resolve workplace racial disputes.)
(Also isn’t the real HR problem that the employees were basically being forced into a conference room to have a debate about their own feelings and backgrounds?) 
ADDITIONALLY the HR lady is the scary-ass nurse from Evil. Yikes. That hospital episode is one of the more terrifying-- and interesting-- things I’ve seen in ages. 
Jay repeats the story to HR. They look surprised, like it’s the first time they’re hearing this. No one else told HR the story? 
Somehow this HR complaint gets back to Vernon Jordan. Ok, taking back what I said, this HR complaint has gone too far. I think they can hear from Jay’s story, which literally every RBL employee can confirm, what Adrian’s point was. And what does it matter if the story really came from Jordan or not?! This is egregious overreach that feels more like office politics than anything else.
Yeah, Adrian’s convo with Mr. Firth makes it pretty clear this is a power play to show Adrian he no longer runs things. It’s not really about his language; that’s just a pretext for STRL to send a warning shot. 
Now everyone has to take a class on racial sensitivity and Mr. Firth is lecturing Adrian about how “charged” the n-word is, which sets Adrian off. I feel like it’s pretty objective to say that Adrian knows the meaning and power of the n-word better than Mr. Firth. 
Adrian ponders quitting in one of his late night talks with Liz. I love their convos. They talk about their marriage (suddenly it occurs to me-- somehow it hasn’t before!-- that this is the kind of dynamic I imagine Alicia and Peter would have post divorce) as well as the topic at hand. Liz points out they’ll never fire Adrian for using the n-word in a quote because it sounds ridiculous and STRL has its own issues (they apparently took a group photo without black people and then PHOTO SHOPPED IN BLACK PEOPLE which… that’s worse, guys!!!). “They bought us to put us in their pictures,” they recognize. (They had to have known this going in-- still don’t quite understand why they sold; still don’t think the show will ever care to answer this question.) 
Liz tells Adrian to just do what he wants. 
Then Jay brings up the HR complaint in another group meeting and wants to know who filed the complaint. This ALSO seems inappropriate. 
Someone suspects David Lee; David Lee would never file the complaint because he hates HR. 
More interesting debate continues. Again, nothing to say, but really appreciate hearing all of this.
Oh now Landau is here in the middle of the intrafirm shitstorm.
It was Madeline, one of the equity partners, who made the complaint to make a point. Or at least it seems likely she did. She believes every black person should have a choice not to hear it at the workplace. I don’t really get an opinion here but that sounds like a valid point to me. It also goes back to the whole, “maybe a forced all staff convo about race is not a good idea…” thing. 
Adrian suggests that they could have talked privately instead of having it escalated to HR. His tone is kind of condescending but his point seems fair to me, though I think it’s up to an individual to decide if they think a complaint is for HR or not. If they don’t feel comfortable bringing up the point with their boss, that is what HR is for. 
It sounds like Madeline is a little bitter, too, about Adrian selling the firm. She’d be losing money, based on what we heard last week, so the bitterness makes sense. If she’s the one who submitted the complaint, it seems likely she had a reason to be upset with Adrian’s use of the word and also a point to make about how Adrian no longer makes the rules. 
Madeline also says that Jay bringing all of this into the open is called intimidation. I don’t think she’s wrong.
Landau, of course, sees all of this, and shuts things down despite Adrian and Liz telling him their employees are just “passionate.” Wow. This resolution might even lead one to think that having a law firm conduct an unstructured, seemingly mandatory debate about a personal and controversial topic is a bad strategy for getting things done! Who ever could have imagined it would lead to infighting and cross-talk? 
LOL at these sensitivity trainings and at Jay’s reaction to the watermelon example. 
Lucca is always so aware of rank in a really consistent way. It’s not so much that she craves status like an early season Cary-type might; she’s just very aware of where she ranks and who has power and what systems are at play. 
Adrian, Liz, and Diane (who’s barely had anything to do this episode) click through the sensitivity training slides very quickly. They’re definitely reading the slides.
Caleb goes to Liz and says he wants to be second chair on a case. Interesting. Curious where his character is going. 
Jay discovers the malware is coming from INSIDE THE OFFICE! It’s an STRL ploy! And we end with a very dramatic shot of Diane looking up at the ceiling. 
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╰    🔪    *    SENTENCE  STARTERS    ─     SUMMER  OF  ‘84    !
feel  free  to  change  pronouns  around  for  whatever  fits  best  .    fair  warning  some  of  these  are  “nsfw”  in  the  teenage  boys  are  gross  kinda  way  &  some  mentions  of  dead  things  /  dead  bodies  /  killers  .
‘  even serial killers live next door to somebody .  ’ ‘  tough pill to swallow , i know , but it’s true .  ’ ‘  people hardly ever let you know who they really are .  ’ ‘  the suburbs are where the craziest shit happens .  ’ ‘  what’s with all the dirt ?  ’ ‘  lame , you’re better than that .  ’ ‘  vaginas are magical .  ’ ‘  it was on vacation dipshit .  ’ ‘  i would live up here if i could .  ’ ‘  i don’t know how safe that would be .  ’ ‘  it’s a conspiracy , it’s all connected .  ’ ‘  there’s literally no proof of that .  ’ ‘  you guys are animals .  ’ ‘  you are so dead !  ’ ‘  doesn’t mean i’m ready to give it up .  ’ ‘  always something that needs reporting .  ’ ‘  you asked to touch her boobs & she threw you over the railing .  ’ ‘  okay , now i know you’re full of shit .  ’ ‘  it smells like werewolf crap .  ’ ‘  i got needs , ( name ) .  ’ ‘  she’s like scientifically the perfect woman .  ’
‘  what kinda games ?  ’ ‘  what kinda games ? naughty games ?  ’ ‘  the future is doomed , ( name ) .  ’ ‘  let’s not gossip . . .  ’ ‘  something big is going down .  ’ ‘  it’s a serial killer !  ’ ‘  this is the coolest thing that’s ever happened to us .  ’ ‘  there’s no way it’s gonna hit us .  ’ ‘  you’re desperate for crazy shit to happen .  ’ ‘  incoming titties , twelve o’clock !  ’ ‘  you guys are disgusting !  ’ ‘  aw , i’m so fucked .  ’ ‘  unlike you idiots , i actually come here to study !  ’ ‘  cut the shit !  ’ ‘  he’s bored so he’s raising the stakes .  ’ ‘  jesus , ( name ) , it’s not like you’re gonna break it !  ’ ‘  peak a boobs !  ’ ‘  free porn , bro .  ’ ‘  is he just gonna take that ?  ’ ‘  let’s go get the little shit .  ’ ‘  uh , this way dick weeds .  ’ ‘  don’t even say it .  ’ ‘  whatever , i’m out .  ’ ‘  i got a book to finish anyway .  ’ ‘  congrats , you’re getting your calcium . so what ?  ’ ‘  i blame myself .  ’ ‘  i also blame ( name ) .  ’ ‘  redheads all look the same .  ’ ‘  ( name ) , what the fuck ?  ’ ‘  god damnit , fine .  ’ ‘  still not convinced ?  ’ ‘  he can plant evidence to throw them off .  ’ ‘  who would suspect a cop ? it’s the perfect cover .  ’ ‘  okay , magnum p.i. . what’s your plan ?  ’ ‘  well we have to find out the truth & be able to prove it .  ’ ‘  this is batshit crazy , i’m in .  ’ ‘  probably wanks it & cries himself to sleep . . . loser .  ’ ‘  we catch this fucker & become heroes .  ’ ‘  they’re aliens & they’re highly intelligent !  ’ ‘  now if it was gremlins i’d buy it , maybe .  ’ ‘  stick to shit that could actually happen .  ’ ‘  dude , i told you to stop talking about my mom .  ’ ‘  would you rather i acted it out ?  ’ ‘  let’s break into his garage .  ’ ‘  trust me , i’ve got a plan .  ’ ‘  what the hell are we doing ?  ’ ‘  there could be evidence in here .  ’ ‘  do you know me at all ?  ’ ‘  i am not digging through trash !  ’ ‘  if i find a used condom in there , i’m gonna be so jealous .  ’ ‘  you guys are crazy .  ’ ‘  quit crying , ( name ) .  ’ ‘  you know you can get aids from looking through trash , right ?  ’ ‘  the only way you’re ever getting aids .  ’ ‘  i can’t believe it , nothing .  ’ ‘  a lair ? he’s cobra commander now ?  ’ ‘  we could always look through his mail .  ’ ‘  ask & you shall receive .  ’ ‘  i’ll take care of that responsibility .  ’ ‘  night one , no luck .  ’ ‘  kinda don’t wanna be home .  ’ ‘  we can make popcorn & watch close encounters .  ’ ‘  you’re so good .  ’ ‘  dude , what took you so long ?  ’ ‘  expecting someone so late ?  ’ ‘  wow , guess i haven’t been here in a while .  ’ ‘  better view of my room than i thought .  ’ ‘  sucks how much things have changed .  ’ ‘  oh , fuck me .  ’ ‘  get down , shit for brains !  ’ ‘  i’m dead shit !  ’ ‘  you look like you’re thirty , it’s gonna be fine .  ’ ‘  where were you last night ? i thought you were coming over .  ’ ‘  you’ll never believe who showed up at my door instead .  ’ ‘  she was about to kiss me .  ’ ‘  we’re picking up this convo later .  ’ ‘  we’ve gotta keep following him , go .  ’ ‘  you drive like my grandma , dude .  ’ ‘  freak this !  ’ ‘  i’m never doing this again , you guys are dicks !  ’ ‘  let’s just get home as fast as we can .  ’ ‘  oh shit , fuck !  ’ ‘  it’s a cop !  ’ ‘  i don’t have my license genius !  ’ ‘  i’m so screwed !  ’ ‘  we were just borrowing it !  ’ ‘  you could be in some real trouble .  ’ ‘  ( name ) , what a surprise .  ’ ‘  ( name ) , we meet again .  ’ ‘  get your asses home where it’s safe & stay there .  ’ ‘  unless he stashed it some place .  ’ ‘  we’re onto you , ( name ) .  ’ ‘  i thought everything was fine . . .  ’ ‘  they didn’t even seem upset .  ’ ‘  i just feel like my life has been one big lie .  ’ ‘  who knows what really goes on behind closed doors ?  ’ ‘  people keep stuff like that private .  ’ ‘  honestly , i can’t wait to get out of this stupid town .  ’ ‘  can i tell you my secret ?  ’ ‘  yeah , that’s what he wants you to think .  ’ ‘  i know how your brain works but you’re wrong .  ’ ‘  i’m not gonna get caught .  ’ ‘  just let the cops handle this .  ’ ‘  i don’t want anything bad to happen to you .  ’ ‘  you’re like the only person left in this town i actually like .   ’ ‘  finally using those brain powers for good , about damn time .  ’ ‘  guess you dickheads just aren’t men yet .  ’ ‘  what’s the deal with you & ( name ) .  ’ ‘  we have like a connection .  ’ ‘  the only connection i want with her is vaginal . or oral if she’s into that .  ’ ‘  everyone keeps their doors unlocked around here .  ’ ‘  you said he killed kids , not adults .  ’ ‘  they said something must have gone wrong  ’ ‘  fuck that , i mean you wanna go in there be my guest .  ’ ‘  dumbasses first .  ’ ‘  ( name ) , i was kidding !  ’ ‘  i’ve got a bad feeling about this .  ’ ‘  the light doesn’t work .  ’ ‘  you guys smell that ?  ’ ‘  it smells like road kill .  ’ ‘  if there’s dead bodies in here i’m totally gonna shit my calvins .  ’ ‘  you guys still think i’m crazy ?  ’ ‘  he could still be in the house .  ’ ‘  we scared you ? !  ’ ‘  it’s easy money usually .  ’ ‘  wait were you really talking to her ?  ’ ‘  what’s going on here ?  ’ ‘  you guys hooking up ?  ’ ‘  you are my god !  ’ ‘  i fucking love you !  ’ ‘  can i get a picture of you for my shrine ?  ’ ‘  no way , you still have those ?  ’ ‘  audio surveillance , smart .  ’ ‘  found you , you big tittied butthole !  ’ ‘  why don’t you shut the fuck up & get out of here before i pound you , you little shit !  ’ ‘  whatever , pussy !  ’ ‘  freaking hate that kid .  ’ ‘  holy shit , he’s got blood on him !  ’ ‘  do you think he’s onto us ?  ’ ‘  we’ve gotta make it work .  ’ ‘  you scared the hell outta me last night .  ’ ‘  guess you didn’t see me coming either though .  ’ ‘  i’m ready for you this time .  ’ ‘  thanks for the offer .  ’ ‘  i’m freaking the fuck out !  ’ ‘  oh my god , he’s onto us !  ’ ‘  i should have just gone to space camp .  ’ ‘  it’s fool proof .  ’ ‘  what are you , a chicken ?  ’ ‘  hello ? someone there ?  ’ ‘  that was way too freakin close .  ’ ‘  there’s nothing here .  ’ ‘  i got this .  ’ ‘  i’m just good at working the hole .  ’ ‘  unless he’s killing people with his lawnmower , we got jack shit .  ’ ‘  well this whole night’s been a waste of time .  ’ ‘  you got a death wish ?  ’ ‘  you’re not gonna believe what we found .  ’ ‘  how the hell am i supposed to know ?  ’ ‘  classic ( name ) .  ’ ‘  are you high ?  ’ ‘  your summer’s fucked .  ’ ‘  this is way too heavy , i’m out .  ’ ‘  do not come out of your room until i say so .  ’ ‘  no way , it’s a classic !  ’ ‘  everyone’s talking to me like i’m already gone .  ’ ‘  it’s wigging me out .  ’ ‘  the closer it gets , the more i feel alone .  ’ ‘  i wish i could get out of this stupid neighborhood . . .  ’ ‘  i’m gonna be locked up til i leave for college .  ’ ‘  i might have snuck out .  ’ ‘  i know i’m right about it , it’s the shittiest part about it .  ’ ‘  you only get the chance to be a kid once , believe me i know .  ’ ‘  if i’m right who is gonna stop it ?  ’ ‘  just kinda wanna make sure that we’re good .  ’ ‘  why haven’t you found him yet ?  ’ ‘  if you want i can stop by , give you updates ?  ’ ‘  i can tell you have an interest in this stuff .  ’ ‘  wow you really have it in for me , huh ?  ’ ‘  the last thing i want is for there to be bad blood between us .  ’ ‘  i’m pretty sure my parents hate me now .  ’ ‘  you’ve got quite the imagination .  ’ ‘  my dad says it’s because i read too many mysteries .  ’ ‘  it’s exciting , the stuff that’s going on .  ’ ‘  he might be at practice or something .  ’ ‘  look , i’m sorry for being such an idiot .  ’ ‘  how are you guys not freaking out right now ?  ’ ‘  this proves he’s guilty !  ’ ‘  justice will be served .  ’ ‘  you’re clearly fucked in the head .  ’ ‘  dude you just sound desperate now .  ’ ‘  just admit you were wrong .  ’ ‘  tape doesn’t lie .  ’ ‘  i know you guys all think i’m crazy , but i’m gonna prove it to you .  ’ ‘  i just need you guys to watch my back .  ’ ‘  i’m done with this shit , okay .  ’ ‘  you’re gonna get caught !  ’ ‘  are you with me ?  ’ ‘  if shit goes sideways , i’m pinning it all on you .  ’ ‘  this is your last shot , ( name ) .  ’ ‘  i mean if you think there’s something down there , i guess i’m in too .  ’ ‘  this is so not fair !  ’ ‘  it’s go time !  ’ ‘  don’t you ever talk to me that way again !  ’ ‘  it’s no wonder those kids are such fuck ups .  ’ ‘  can’t take a little family time ?  ’ ‘  fuck off , (name ) .  ’ ‘  why , you need an alibi ?  ’ ‘  hold this . . . this too !  ’ ‘  i’m not gonna let my best friend go into a serial killers house alone !  ’ ‘  let’s just make this quick okay ?  ’ ‘  why do you keep doing that to us ?  ’ ‘  i figured you’d need some help .  ’ ‘  listen to me , it’s over .  ’ ‘  i’m sorry man but you’re on your own .  ’ ‘  i mean , we’re already here . we might as well just check it out .  ’ ‘  we have to look .  ’ ‘  we’re about to find the proof , i know it .  ’ ‘  please tell me somebody brought a flashlight .  ’ ‘  creepiest basement ever . . .  ’ ‘  jesus fuck !  ’ ‘  calm down , it’s just a light .  ’ ‘  oh my god , take a chill pill !  ’ ‘  shine a flashlight on the lock .  ’ ‘  did ( name ) teach you this ? it doesn’t work !  ’ ‘  vagina !  ’ ‘  the whole things off .  ’ ‘  are you fucking kidding me ?  ’ ‘  it’s a long story , just trust me .  ’ ‘  fuck that , i gotta hear this .   ’ ‘  maybe i could sleep at your place tonight ?  ’ ‘  parents again ?  ’ ‘  how bad’s it this time ?  ’ ‘  let’s just say i don’t wanna witness a murder-suicide .  ’ ‘  but i’m not watching gilligan's island  ’ ‘  you think he keeps his victims here or something ?  ’ ‘  just make sure you’re filming .  ’ ‘  no , ( name ) , wait . . .  ’ ‘  is this enough proof for you ?  ’ ‘  we need to go . . . now .  ’ ‘  i’m next . . .  ’ ‘  it happened because of you .  ’ ‘  i’m proud of you , i’m real proud .  ’ ‘  you guys are safe now .  ’ ‘  i wonder where he is . . .  ’ ‘  it’s just a matter of time .  ’ ‘  nothing’s ever gonna be the same again .  ’ ‘  you think they’ll catch him ?  ’ ‘  there’s nowhere left for him to hide .  ’ ‘  it’s over , we got him .  ’
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✨ High listening party ✨ ✌️🌱
Fine Line - Harry Styles
(I larrie’d real hard)
This is me just wanting to listen to my music while I’m under the ahem, influence and jot my thoughts down. I think typing is way better and tumblr is the best place share that.
Listening to Fine Line...gonna relate it to larry cause it’s so LOUD. Like I feel like I’m listening to a private story ya know? Not very many albums can invoke that. I think I’ll do playlists other times but some things are better experienced like this.
Here we go...
Okay so after a few high listens and even now, this whole album is a story. Like you have to listen from beginning to end. I know he split them as Side A and Side B, etc. so if you do not see the story in this album you need to go back and listen. Also, I’m mainly writing new things that I catch. So if I don’t acknowledge some of the more obvious meanings, it’s just because I think we all can easily spot or already know them.
Finally, the songs lol
Side A:
Golden - beginning of relationship or journey? Infatuation, he says he’s hopeless and goes into the chorus. I don’t wanna be alone, he feels it take a hold, take control (no control reference?!). Even though it goes into “take control...of who i am), the end of the control line has a pause before saying “of who i am”. So, it works for both. This song is for sure about the beginning and being in love. 
Watermelon Sugar - Watermelon Suuuugar!!!! SOrry typing this as I am hearing it. This is about the beginning and cant get enough of that person. Like I know it heavily relates to oral (love to see that) but the whole song is just tasting like EVERYTHING about that person. But this is all bliss of the relationship. Think he may have even said that in an interview? Yes? Watermelon Sugar HIIIIIGIHGIGIGIGJH. ALSO, my crack theory, tin hatting, clown shoes wearing, mind could not stop focusing on the “I’m just thinking aloud” line. Okay listen, that is the only lyric not repeated from the  pre- chorus. All the other lines from the pre-chorus, chorus are repeated. The verses are all different so that doesn’t apply. But when he sings the pre-chorus the second time, he doesnt say that. The reason I think it matters, is because I think that was a nod to “Thinking Aloud” by Ed Sheeran. H says he adds little lyrics and references only people he is close to would know. Thinking Aloud is like suuuuuch a love song. Might be relevant to him and L and like a thing btwn them? I know it sounds dumb but i can’t help tinhatting right now lol. THis is why these are *high thoughts*. 
Adore You - Same. As in same as the 2 above, love and first stage. He gets lost inside his eyes? Really? Gotta be about L. Pretty sure he’s mentioned liking his eyes or eyelashes. Also, wow so much summer vibes. That’s obvious but i cant stop thinking about that lol. H just wants to love this person. And we know who that would be...just saying 
Lights Out -  wow. I forget I like this song so much, Oh wow okay so I rewinded the song 3 times. I keep catching things that stand out. The beginning verse sounds like he is repeating a conversation. He does the back and forth with the way it was produced. I forgot the actual term though. Back to the original thing, he says “what do you mean ?” I’m sorry by the way,[I’m} never coming back down. Can’t you see I could, but wouldn’t stay.”[I] wouldn’t put it like that.”what do you mean ?” I’m sorry by the way. {i’m] never coming around. It’d be so sweet if things just stayed the same”. Is “sweet if...” a “sweet creature” reference perhaps? Idk, I’m just a sucker for lyric connections. Or even watermelon sugar. Cause it’s part of the Side A section, so this is all happening in their period of their relationship”. “Do you know who you are” Lights can mean anything but I feel like it refers to the lights of a concert. Like lights up and all these fans {think) “they know who you are”. Sweet if things stayed the same repeats again, it really stand out to me man. The lights, fame , whatever, couldn’t heal his heart is what I get from couldn’t shine into his dark heart or whatever he says. The know who you are thig is for sure about him. Like this song is about H feeling comfortable now and has found himself. 
Side B People!! - oh man let’s get sad. 
Cherry: Okay so before anyone comes at me. I do think this song at least some partial part is for Camille. I know. I know. But like not at all in romantic sense.  But like I said hear me out. This is about Camille and D. I know D passed away because it was really heartbreaking to the pro - skateboarding community and he was known for a few skateboarding films, one of those is titled Cherry. I saw on instagram for his passing she said he was the love of her life. But later on, I saw some other people on tumblr had also thought about this and dug more into it. Camille was with D and she has expressed how HE was the love of her life. She makes that known. I think H wrote this for her and D too. That’s why he said the song didn’t feel like it was finished without her voice recording from a phone call she took. Because it is her song in some way. The reason why I think that is because D won a skateboard award for the Supreme skateboarding video known as Cherry. He was known as a pro. It’s what Rolling Stones say was one of the important points of his career. Camille was at least friends with him if not already dating by this point. Sadly, he passed because of cancer. He is so respected in the Skater community. And I can see Camille and H having a friendship were she has expressed this to him. I believe this b/c this PR relationship had the most interactions I’ve seen from him and I want to say it was longer? Maybe they really got along. Could be wrong, I didn’t really pay attention to them when they were seeing each other. But I can see him doing this for her. Also, he liked to write songs for people so I see that even more. Now let’s get to analyzing... 
First verse, I think it is supposed to be from D’s perspective. The second verse is C’s perspective. I think I believe that cause it starts with a pronoun. The second verse is D to Camille? The I confess, you are at you at your best, I’m selfish so Im hating it”. Is her saying I know you are not suffering anymore but I am selfish, as in I’m selfish because I want you here. She knows he is better now that he was passed because he doesn’t have to deal with his illness. At least the see a part of me in how you dress. Take it as a compliment. Especially cause D’s aesthetic is LA skater boy. He is one the guys that inspired the cuffed jeans look. Okay, so verse comes back, it says I still miss your accent and your friends. Means she misses his voice. And then the “and your friends, do you know that i still talk to them” is her way of saying she keeps in touch with his friends after his passing. And yeah, its.a convo between them almost. And it is H’s song in some way, because it is a song about jealousy, and he’s mentioned before he gets jealous. And in the interview with Rolling Stones, he says he had the tune and he recorded Camille talking while he was playing the guitar because she was talking in tune to the guitar or something like that. So that means in some way he always was going to write Cherry for Camille and include her. I think that because he was already working on Cherry when he and Camille were together, so it seems less likely it’s a post- break up song to me. He could have added the gallery lyric after to make it more obvious for the general public? I knoooooow this may be super far fetched but I can see this. I can also see it being a simple breakup song too. But I just wanna throw this theory out there. 
Whew. Alright so I’m going to do a part 2 cause I’m tired of typing and I’m just gonna vibe for now. But man, did not know I was gonna get invested into this.  ✌️😊
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Savin’s Answers from Twitter!
Turns out that Savin has been pretty active on Twitter answering questions from fans! I’ve gone through and collected all of them (so far) below- the tweets have been copy-pasted and edited for clarity in some places, with source links below each conversation. This post is long, but contains no images. Tweets are in chronological order from most to least recent.
I want to express that these answers are NOT 100% canon/true until proven otherwise, since things are bound to change during production.
Also: If you’re going to ask Savin something, please be respectful and appropriate. He’s a person just like you and me.
@fictionjustis: out of curiosity, I read somewhere that the sequel pictures of Eva and Aikka are of them after a time skip exactly how many [cont] years have passed in that time skip? [cont] also is that your final character desighn for Molly and Aikka ?
@EiffelSavin: Not final. Age is a few years older but sticking with this will also depends on who our broadcasting partners will be...
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@MahCouch: Do you have any plans on telling us more stuff about planet oban and the history of universe in general?
@EiffelSavin: If we get the sequel financed yes. There's more  planned on the mythology of Oban
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@isdebrodis: I'm really curious how old are DW and Rick in 2082, since we know that the mains are teenagers and the mechanics are middle-20s
@EiffelSavin: I don't have my old notes with me right now, where this was laid out very precisely, but I'd say Rick around 30yo and DW late 40s early 50s
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@Dr_Marvelous: #obanstarracers #princeaikka Does G'Dar's name have any special meaning in the Nourasian language?
@EiffelSavin: Yes. Funny you should ask as I finalized that point not long ago. If we do get the new projects financed you'll have yout answer!
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@fictionjustis: I'm curious you mentioned Don Wei is Eva's only living family member, what happened to Don Wei's parents? And what kind of [continued in next section] @EiffelSavin: Don wei's parents died early. Maya still had some family but they didn't want her to race and resented dw. Cut ties with them both long ago.
@lbigreyhound: That's interesting! I never thought too much about what happened to Maya and Don's parents/Eva's grandparents, but it makes sense... [cont] ....as to why DW was so important to Eva. Her dad was literally all she had left. This was such a great show! I loved it when I was a kid!
@EiffelSavin: Yes. She has no one else to turn to.
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@fictionjustis: [continued from previous section] family did he have? Also how long was Oban? And why did you make Molly so short yet her mother tall? @EiffelSavin: OSR was 10 years ago. It's that anniversary that got us working again together. As for Molly's hight, she's not so small & just turned 15
@ADoseOfJoy: Did you ever consider that Aikka may possibly have some feelings for Eva in the future,like,Jordan had in OSR ,and not just,,attraction''?
@EiffelSavin: I certainly did ☺
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@fictionjustis: [why didn't Don Wei] recognize his daughter if she resembles his late wife?
@EiffelSavin: DW hasn't seen Eva for 10 years + during these 10 y. he's done his best to "forget" his painful past - forget Maya & Eva, to keep his sanity
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@fictionjustis: [is Eva the spitting] image of [Maya]? Or is it just a crazy assumption most fans make.
@EiffelSavin: They look very close IF you drop the piercing, tom boyish haircut, red hair, clothes etc. of Eva. In terms of style: not exactly the same!
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@HG_Alsmyr: should we expect to see Jordan return in the new #ŌbanStarRacers?
@EiffelSavin: I would certainly hope so, but I won't elaborate on that right now. It will keep you guessing a little longer 🙂
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@EiffelSavin: I had mapped it precisely but that was a while a go. I'd say Rick close to 2m [6′6], Don Wei 1m80 [5′9], Jordan 1m75 [5′7] and Molly around 1m60 [5′2]
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@TiigerLilies: [A Bluray release] would be a dream come true. Is there any potential for French or Japanese dub with subtitles?
@EiffelSavin: Yes. At least one of these languages and hopefully subtitled.
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@ardaozcan98: What do u think Eva's music taste is like? We've only seen her listening [once] and that's something like metal or techno i guess.
@EiffelSavin: She cares about her music. Strong, fast stuff. It's a refuge. Cf also her listening to a frantic Ayumi A. remix in the original MSR pilot 😉
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@bebebubble1: Was Canaletto supposed to have a bigger role in Oban? His takeover always felt a bit rushed and unfulfilling.
@EiffelSavin: More or less what we planned but wasnt easy to fit the whole story in a 26 epi format Somethings had to be left out or reduced to the min ☺
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@EiffelSavin: Last point there are no [Totally Spies] inspired dialogues in OSR. I wrote all dials myself and only agreed to add a couple more lighthearted ones 🤓
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[context: someone asked about the “all male” counterpart to the Inna species, however it looks like they’ve since deleted their account or made it private, so only Savin’s part of the convo is available]
@EiffelSavin: Well that depends if there is such a thing as a male Inna race... [cont] I didn't really have the chance to expand on the topic but was thinking more in the ways of hermaphrodites, like snails do 😇
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[more context: In the “Creator’s Answers” thread on the OSR forums, Savin stated that the Inna were an all-female race that had an all-male counterpart. Looks like he may have changed his mind]
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@delicatedowner: [Screenshots that Savin tweeted look] soft on each image, but I do appreciate the effort to remaster them for the planned [Blueray] set.
@EiffelSavin: This could be the screencapture. There is no remastering there. Oban was produced un HD.
@delicatedowner: I stand corrected.  Was it HD originally formatted in widescreen (16:9) or full-frame (4:3) as broadcasted?
@EiffelSavin: HD but formatted originally in 4:3.
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@IgorSkochinsky: Love [Iwasaki Taku’s] music! Is there any chance at all of Oban OST vol.2 being released (physical or digital)?
@EiffelSavin: Nothing confirmed yet but If we go ahead with plans to release a bluray, all unpublished tracks could be included as a bonus
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@rebelle_g: Hello!  One question about the up coming sequel of Oban Star Racers : Is Rick Thunderbolt in it?He is my favorite character😍
@EiffelSavin: [I] Like him too but we'll see 😉 Part of Rick's appeal is that we didn't get to see him too often. Kept him cool and mysterious.
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@Streamer255: Is Molly gonna go by her real name Eva or will she use her alias again?
@EiffelSavin: Eva doesn't really need her alias anymore. But Molly's how most character have come to know her by.  We may use a bit of both
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@CourierRin: Do you have any plans for a Molly&Aikka couple in the potential OSR continuation?
@EiffelSavin: Aikka's an important character and close to Molly's Heart but I won't say anything about the plots we're working on for now
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