#SW strongly disagrees

[gffa]

I'm really not trying to start a problem here but...I'm extremely confused by the hatred you and other pro-Jedi blogs seem to have Dave Filoni and TCW.

I'm an Anakin apologist first and I'll admit that, but I'm also a Jedi fan through and through. I love Anakin, I love Padme, I love Anidala, I love the Jedi, I love the Jedi as a whole and I love pretty much all the individual Jedi.

I just finished my TCW rewatch and to me it seems like something people would enjoy if they're Jedi fans. It's so kind and positive towards the Jedi, it shows them at their best, it shows that Anakin and the Jedi DID love each other (a hill I will die on). We get so many wonderful scenes of the Jedi with each other and with the clones, we just get so much good from this series. And all of that came from Dave Filoni.

I'm going to take this in good faith and point out that I don't hate Dave Filoni and I've said several complimentary things about his work, and any posts where I discuss it specifically as Filoni's work (aside from the asks that were sent to me in bad faith and I didn't take seriously because they didn't deserve it), I talk about specifics of why I dislike things he's said. If you browse my posts, you'll see that I'm pretty complimentary towards The Clone Wars--which, lets be clear, wasn't just Filoni, but that George Lucas created the show himself and he did have final say for the first six seasons, he was very involved in that show--and use examples from it in my meta all the time. I just scrolled through my meta tag and was quickly hit with a ton of TCW gifs and examples! It's not a perfect show and I find anything post-season 6 to be a lot weaker, but even then I discuss the specifics of those things and put in positives as well. What you're picking up on is that Filoni says in interviews some things I strongly disagree with and that contradict what Lucas has said about the Jedi, so once Lucas was no longer involved in Star Wars, I've found Filoni's work to be in steady decline for me. But most Jedi fans--not all, we're not a monolith and shouldn't be treated as one--are extremely reliant on using TCW for our meta and extremely positive towards it, so I'm not sure where you're getting that. Many do generally have the view that the movies are the foundation (or at least that's my outlook), which I think is fair, because that's what Lucas seems to go by when you look at his interviews, and I'm a Lucas Canon fan first and foremost, so it's not that I "hate" Filoni and TCW, it's that I think the movies came first, stand on their own, and TCW enhance them, but don't overwrite them. Others are free to disagree, if you don't take that view. So, I think if you browse around a little through my blog at least, you'll see far more positive content about TCW than you will negative and that much of my meta relies on it being part of Lucas Canon (though not necessarily the foundation of the themes of SW, but they do support it) and that the frustration with Filoni is outside of TCW primarily.

#dave filoni #lumi.txt

[awholelottayeehaw]

Everyone's Feelings are Valid Regarding Mando Season 3

As a neurodivergent teacher whose students are on spring break, I finally have the time to weigh in on the Mando Season 3 debate after seeing how divided the fandom is. This mini essay is meant to be a logical and safe middle ground for everyone, to remind everyone that your feelings are valid regardless of what they are, and that even if your opinions/feelings are valid that doesn't meant they're fact or justifiable to police how others think and feel.

This contains spoilers for Mando S3, Rebels, and Clone Wars and is written while I'm high on benadryl so approach at your own risk! I may go back and edit this and edit out/rewrite points to make them more succinct or add points others may have that should be included and don't want anyone to feel gaslit if they see any changes they don't recall seeing before.

1. More Than Two Ways to Feel

From what I gather, the two main opinions on this season are either it's a great season and anyone who disagrees is what's wrong with Star Wars, or that this season is a disappointing let down after waiting so long for Din to return. Both are valid, but since Star Wars fans tend to see outcomes in extremes, I want to point out that those aren't the only two options available, you can also:

be disappointed with this season while continuing to be a huge fan of the show

and

enjoy this season while recognizing the writing and quality isn't up to the standards the show had set in previous seasons or even the promises it made with this one.

The Mandalorian was the first piece of live action media since the Clone Wars that sparked the interest of even non Star Wars fans because it offered something new and exciting to a world and lore we're all familiar with that doesn't demand you to know 50 years of Star Wars history nor does it jeopardize characters and storylines long time fans are protective of.

Because of this, it's easy to forget that Star Wars fans are now sharing The Mandalorian with casual Star Wars fans or even exclusive fans to the show without having any interest in exploring the SW universe further through other forms of media.

I'd argue the first instance of this being taken away from casual fans was in The Book of Boba Fett by requiring them to view it to stay i in the know for Season 3 along with the return of Cad Bane who, for fans of the cartoons, flipped out seeing his live action form. But for those who only watched BOBF as fans of Mando, a lot of viewers were like:

Bo Katan, Ahsoka, Luke, and Boba Fett's resurrection in Mando were written in smoothly that excited long time SW fans familiar with them while allowing casual fans to enjoy the story because said characters stood on their own as supporting roles without taking away from their their origins. But throwing in characters like Cad Bane and even other Rebels/Clone Wars characters into Season 3 of Mando, it doesn't give casual fans a reason to stay or feel satisfied if they're not in the know with these beloved niche of characters.

And because of this, it's easy to unintentionally police said fans with how strongly you may feel as someone with deep rooted knowledge of the franchise.

Casual fans of the show shouldn't have to be spoiled or talked down to for not sharing the same enthusiasm as other fans because they don't know who a character is/their importance to the SW universe or for having differing opinions and feelings over a show that wasn't originally built on any previous Star Wars lore. And older fans who love all SW lore who are disappointed are allowed to feel let down after 3 years for this season to not be how it was advertised just as fans who are loving this season shouldn't be mocked for enjoying the ride regardless of where it goes. We're all valid here.

2. Mando Has Always Had Side Quests, but Not Without Plot

If I had a dollar for every

"Mando has always been about side quests! Why are people complaining about this format NOW?"

comment I read, I'd have enough to maybe... have a nice meal somewhere.

Has the Mandalorian been told through side quests? Yes and no. It's been 3 years since the last season aired and I think a lot of people will look back at the previous 2 seasons with vague memories of Din and Grogu traversing through time and space as father and son while helping wayward future friends and getting their asses handed to them by alien animal species when it wasn't quite like that.

The first season starts with Din being hired after a particularly easy job to hunt down a difficult quarry. Din requires the help of a moister farmer to get to the kid since he can't land the ship close enough to the mark without setting off security, and discovers said quarry is a child. He spends the rest of the season getting the kid back to the Imps, saving him from the Imps, blacklisting himself from his job, unintentionally setting up his covert for a massacre, trying to lay low and find a safe place for the kid to grow up so he can go back to his old life only to realize he can't as long as the kid is wanted, and proceeds to take on a few jobs to feed them and avoid the Empire until he's called back to deal with Karga's ambush and getting sucked into a trap intended for Grogu and the season ends with Grogu now being Din's foundling and his new mission is to bring Grogu home.

The second season focuses on Din trying to hunt down fellow Mandalorians to help him reunite Grogu to the Jedi, the first episode while on a job reveals that his quarry had seen a Mandalorian on Mos Pelgo which led him to meet Cobb Vanth. The only reason Din stayed is to take back the armor and agreed to earning it back by killing the Krayt Dragon for them and the Raiders. The second episode has Din playing Taxi in return for information about Mandalorians seen on Trask (where Frog Lady was heading). Din agrees to help Bo and her clan to raid an Imperial ship and her information leads him to Ahsoka two episodes later. Because the Mon Calamari's repairs were inadequate, Din goes to help Karga destroy an old Imperial base in return for repairs. He finally finds Ahsoka and helps her confront Elsbeth in exchange of training Grogu (again, I'll circle back to this as a Season 3 plot point that fell through). She decides she won't train him due to Grogu's attachment and anger in his heart for what he went through and points Din to a temple where Grogu can contact other Jedi for training and from there, he's capture, Din loses his ship, he finds Grogu's location with the help of his newfound friends, and saves Grogu only to give him over to Luke while now being the proud owner of a weapon and defunct planet.

So is Mando ALL random side quests with no point? No. Each episode interwove into the next effortlessly while being a self contained episode that never failed to remind you the importance of each mission, side quest, and character that Din interacted with. And it's hard to miss the overall theme of honor, identity, and religious guilt that Din faces and questions each episode up until the end when he chooses to show Grogu his face as an ultimate act of love.

But with Season 3, I can't tell you how any of the episodes connect or what they hint at to the overall season plot and we're six (seven, if you're reading this after the episode drops) episodes into an 8 episode season. Even if by the final episode things all tie together, it didn't have the same smooth transitions as the previous seasons had nor did they remind you of what we might've forgotten information wise in these three years and that's why a lot of these episodes feel pointless compared to the urgency that Din and Grogu faced leading up to his departure with Luke. Which brings me to...

3. Season 3's Plot Failed in Season 2 and BOBF

Yet two other comments I've seen that could buy me a second fancy meal somewhere or just a fancy ass desert for a family of 4 by myself is:

Season 3 has no plot! It's pointless! It's boring!

and

Season 3 has a plot! Just because it's not about Din anymore doesn't mean there lacks plot!

And to this, yet again, I say... yes and no to both. Season 3, as I mentioned in my previous point, hasn't woven in an overarching plot like its previous two seasons and so the urgency is not only not there, but it doesn't remind you of why you need to care or stick around for Din's redemption arc (whichever that may be) or whatever is going on with Bo and the Armorer and the Empire. But I don't fault Season 3 for having bad writing necessarily, but rather throwing out their best plot point for Book of Boba Fett and (as I mentioned before) not recapping what was mentioned in Season 2.

No one can convince me that The Book of Boba Fett wasn't a ploy for Disney+ to keep Mando fans happy and excited while they figured out Season 3. I will die on this hill. It's been 3 years and I already heard fans losing hope and grumbling about it before I even joined Tumblr. No matter how loyal a fanbase is, you still lose them to other media when what they crave isn't available in a certain amount of time and BOBF was the balm to that ache for many of us despite us also simultaneously being disappointed in how they handled BOBF. Boba and BIPOC characters deserve better. But that's for another essay.

Season 3 failed the moment Din and Grogu were reunited in BOBF along with Din's new ship. This broke what made Mando so unique and special as stated in my first point where fans could casually get into Mando without needing decades of SW lore to enjoy it, and now those fans are left behind because they didn't realize they had to invest in The Book of Boba Fett to be included in the Members Only Season of The Mandalorian and that's being reflected in its ratings.

I genuinely believe if they had opened Mando Season 3 with his entrance in BOBF and led the first two episodes with Din tracking down his tribe after delivering his bounty for said information, was made an apostate, and rejected to see Grogu all in one episode... that would have given the season far more possibilities for plot than what this season has offered us in the last 6 episodes. And especially so if they recapped the important plot details that Season 2 set up but expected fans to remember after 3 years and tied those plot points in in a way that upped the urgency Season 3 has lacked so far.

In Chapter 11: The Heiress when Din is saved by Bo and her clan, he only agrees to help them with their raid in exchange for where he can find a Jedi teacher for Grogu. But what did they need that raid for? To steal weapons in order to take down the Imperial remnants that still plunder Mandalore that will help them retake their planet. Aside from Bo's castle getting blown up by TIE fighters, we're not reminded of this fact at all during this season. Din and Bo were able to get to Mandalore with ease and stroll around like it was nothing. There were no ships hovering around the planet, no secret bases, no symbols, not even recently defunct battle droids. Mandalore was painted as a planet that was free real-estate that they could've moved in to that day the moment they realized the planet had breathable air and just some old robots and troll species to worry about. There was no reminder of this being a potentially dangerous planet as an Imperial wasteland.

But Bo's castle got blown up by TIE fighters! Where do you think they came from? The threat was obvious!

...Except it wasn't. Bo was moping around that castle in broad day light, not attempting to hide. Why didn't they blow her castle up sooner if she was a threat? And even if it came out later that Bo was part of the siege to free Gideon, they should have made it less obvious because yeah where DID they come from? Sure as shit not Mandalore, and why when she's united with Din the second time in this episode? And if this threat is linked to Thrawn, as we see his return in the trailer for Ahsoka, they should have recapped Chapter 13: The Jedi where Ahsoka shook down Elsbeth for information regarding where Thrawn's location is (which leads to Ahsoka's spin off series).

So yes the plot IS there, just not written in a way that reminds fans of what was at stake leading up to Season 3 and expanded upon those threats even within just opening scenes. The Mandalorian had brilliantly made whatever the opening scene was as foreshadowing the rest of the episode's plot. Season 3 could have used those recaps, flashbacks, or even a bonus scene to something we already saw in the previous season as that reminder audiences need after 3 years to remember what the stakes are and why it still impacts Din and Grogu regardless if Bo is now going on either a redemption journey herself or is secretly the season's antagonist.

And even if Bo is meant to be a central character, Mando has glossed over the fact that she was responsible for Mandalor's downfall TWICE and was considered a traitor, a terrorist, and the reason why her sister was murdered. It's possible they didn't reveal that for specific reasons, but it feels lazy not to hint at it in some ways that let the audience wonder if Bo is meant to be an antagonist or hero this time around, especially as an established selfish, morally gray character. And it's unfair that her redemption is this easy when her laundry list of sins she committed never properly held her accountable, and even with genuine remorse and empathy, Bo still is willing to make choices that benefit her in the long wrong over the benefit of others.

Which leads me to...

4. The Mandalorian Has Always Been About Din and Grogu

"The show is called The Mandalorian, not The Din Djarin and Grogu Show. Anyone can be The Mandalorian, and besides, it's plural!"

First off, The Mandalorian isn't plural. I just want to make that clear. The Mandalorian is a singular person and, although yes it can be anyone, it's explicitly about Din he is THE Mandalorian who walked the surface to bring back money, food, and goods to his tribe while everyone else stayed underground, hiding. Din made a name for himself as the best Bounty Hunter in the Parsec in a world where everyone believed Mandalore was a dead, unlivable planet and that

The Mandalorians, much like the Jedi, were extinct. This was reiterated in dialogue throughout the show by multiple characters, and is why Din was so special. Because when they heard about a Mandalorian it's always Din. Even gaining that land for his people, everyone will still turn to Din because he's THE Mandalorian to them. He's the one who has united people, saved towns, been the diplomat, and the reason why many characters and even Nevaro exist. He's the Mando people will recognize and hold esteem for, not anyone else even if Bo does try to take the mantle and that's because she's The Heiress, even to the likes of the Armorer, and The Armorer is the Armorer. Din will never shake that title even if he wanted to, because he's the one who's left a mark on the galaxy he lives in along with his green son, and Bo nor anyone else will be able to take that from him because they'll have their own titles in that universe to live up to whether they like it or not.

"But Din doesn't even want to be the main character in his own show! His story is over, let him and Grogu be at peace!"

That's the other problem, their stories are far from over. We already know that Thrawn is alive, Dr. Pershing doesn't understand how his science is genocidal, and Gideon is walking around with potentially his own Mandalorian bodyguards or is setting Din up. As long as these men exist and the Empire is a problem, they will hunt down Grogu for their cruel science projects and kill Din in order to achieve that. But this season hasn't reminded us of that at all and has given people a false idea that Din and Grogu's stories are over when they absolutely are not. And even if Bo is intended to take the torch from Din, that doesn't wrap up his story or Grogu's it just makes it second fiddle for Bo to either redeem herself or make everything worse again. Time will tell I guess, but do not for a moment think that Din and Grogu are safe. They absolutely are not. Lastly,

5. Strong Stories Have Reluctant Protagonists

"Who wants to watch a show about someone who's a reluctant leader? Mandalor the Reluctant? I don't think so!"

Um... you do. That's literally the hero's journey. Bilbo Baggins never wanted an adventure. He wasn't confident in his abilities and he wasn't interested in helping the dwarves succeed. He was tricked by Gandalf by a false sense of duty. Luke Skywalker was content with his life on Tatooine until his childhood home an aunt and uncle perished and he physically couldn't go back even if he wanted to. Joel was a reluctant father figure to Ellie after his own losses despite his journey starting on greed. There's so many beloved characters that don't even want to star in their own stories but that's what makes them strong characters. They're forced to go on journeys they don't want to help them come to terms with their own inner termoil or even achieve the greatest version of themselves that they wouldn't have risen to if not for their inability to go back to their normal lives before the call of the journey. So even if we're all okay with more Din and Grogu adventure stories or even okay with Bo taking over, it feels unsatisfactory for Din to just hand the darksaber over to Bo after years of trying to get ride of it and handing his son, whom he spent at least a year apart from, to whoever is available to go on unrelated missions with Bo. There's a reason why people feel unsatisfied and disappointed with this season, and it's valid regardless of what you're okay with. Mando was built on strong writing and they've forgone simple solutions to cut corners in order to spit out a mediocre season when it had the potential to be not just fun but an incredible return of Din, Grogu, and introduction of Bo if she's meant to take the mantle down the line.

One more thing!

6. Bo Isn't a Worthy Leader (added 4/12/2023)

I know this may ruffle some peoples' feathers, but hear me out. I want to remind everyone once again I genuinely like Bo and have nothing against her, and my beef is with how the writers treated her this season and have mislead non Clone Wars and Rebels fans.

Bo deserves the title! The darksaber chose her! She wields it so well, and after all that she's gone through she deserves her redemption!!

A lot of fans of the show who haven't watched Rebels don't realize that Bo at one point couldn't wield the saber, either. It was Satine who taught her how. As far as I'm aware, the darksaber requires the wielder's thoughts and actions to flow into the Darksaber to fuel its energy, which then affects the weight and has nothing to do with being the chosen one like Excalibur. Anyone can learn to wield it if Bo was willing to teach them, hell even Gideon seemed to have a good grasp on it. Din even said in episode 7 that the saber doesn't dictate who is a worthy leader, it's based on principles and honor (which Bo conveniently chose not to inform Din on how she doesn't fit that bill).

Bo, this whole season, has shown time and time again she's not a worthy leader. At least, not yet. Bo has MANY sins to make up for. As I said earlier: Bo was a terrorist, she led to Mandalore's downfall... twice (now potentially thrice), led an incursion that got her sister killed, was openly racist towards Boba Fett and others, sexually assaulted Ahsoka, and burned down villages just because she could. None of these were ever brought up in Mando and it not only made Bo an innocent woman who lost everything and just needs her people and planet back, but also erases her history without ever fully holding her accountable.

Bo has fantastic military leadership (as shown this season alone), but when it comes to diplomatic, she falls short. All of her choices have led her to losing the darksaber, losing Mandalore, getting many people killed, and her prejudices have gotten in the way of true diplomacy where Din had to step in when she was ready to give up or use force to get what she wanted. She didn't even bother to try to win her people back or make a plan to take back Mandalore, she was content staying at home and crying on her throne until Din and Grogu forced her to finally do something productive.

All of this circles back to my point on why Din being a reluctant character is important to the overall story. For someone who doesn't want to lead, he's shown the most leadership skills all season by putting others before him and communicating on everyone else's level instead of expecting them to rise to his which is a stark contrast to Bo's actions this season. He's multi-lingual, finds ways to speak to other species to make them feel seen and heard, and consistently gives up his own food and resources to those in need even if it's with a grumble at first (Frog Lady comes to mind). Everything Bo lacks or doesn't attempt, Din jumps head first in. Which is why I think there's such a divide on Bo's character this season and it's easier to say she stole the show from Din when, in reality, her desire to lead but having no leadership skills is what has drawn out the frustrating aspects of Season 3's storyline that's hard to put your finger on but might've given you anxiety regardless. Her role as Mandalore doesn't feel earned and her character feels cheated, again regardless of how you personally feel about her as a character and if you want what's best for her.

I think I had more to say but I'm running a blank now. I'm tagging @yourcoolauntie cause I know I promised to talk to you about all of this and I still plan on messaging you but figured this confined space would get everything out in one go rather than getting lost in the sauce in a tiny little chat box on here. Everyone is welcome to DM me over this, comment, challenge me, whatever you need to feel better regardless of what your stance is over the show. This isn't meant to dismiss anyone or make anyone feel invalidated as I said, just a safe space with facts that you can do what you please with to either validate how you feel or recognize where that discomfort or frustration is coming from regardless if you're enjoying this season or not. You're seen, you're heard, and I'll see you on the other side after this upcoming episode tonight.

#The Mandalorian #The Mandalorian Season 3 #Season 3 #Spoilers #Mandalorian Spoilers #Din Djarin #Bo Katan #bo katan kryze #analysis #essay #Star Wars

[jaigeye]

everyone is forgetting that saw gerrera was taught by anakin and obiwan (white) lol

i do take some issue with sw writers plopping characters of color into villain/antagonist/not working with the ‘heroes’ role and the fans making incredibly racist memes, i just wanted to point out the fact that he was already on the edge of being a radical and anakin’s presence and training shoved him over the edge along with the death of steela. as a nonwhite person who has seen their own friends radicalized in Very similar ways, i dont think there’s anything necessarily wrong with how he’s being portrayed. i think he’s a good mirror of real life circumstances. the problem inherently lies with the fans, although again as i said it has disappointed me that fascinating, complex characters who are also poc or poc coded (barriss, saw, Reva, for some examples) are mishandled by sw writers and fans.

I think you're misunderstanding me here. Sure, it's a good point that yes, Anakin and Obi-Wan played a role in his life, but I don't think TCW is even a significant enough piece of media to base judgment of his character off if; Rogue One is where he really began to take shape as the character he is, not just a one-off arc character that was quickly forgotten. The nature of the clone wars anthology style is that unfortunately most characters motivations and actions are molded or influenced by the main trio, so I don't know if that argument holds up, although it is an interesting one I hadn't thought about.

My argument is not that characters of color cannot or should not ever be villains... Yet I would strongly disagree with categorizing him as an antagonist. Even in Rogue One he felt like a sort of indelicate attempt to show the political complexities of the Rebellion. That is both where my praise and issues with his writing begin.

Isolated, he himself is a very nuanced and interesting character. Placed in a space with the other Rebel leaders, however, it quickly becomes frustratingly clear that the only Black leader of great significance in the plot, on the same level of narrative importance as Mon Mothma, is a politically radical and aggressive Black man, plagued by delusions of victimhood/paranoia. This is as some might say, not cool. Imagine a sheet of paper with all the rebels and imperials on it. Who are the aggressive, intense characters who are ruthless? (Outside of Andor, because although flawed I feel they did a better job,) that list would include Saw Gerrera, Reva, and Moff Gideon. The good, harmless Black characters? Finn. Jannah, with a few minutes of screentime. Maybe Lando, but he too is always sidelined and we don't get a really good look at his motivations or character. Who else? There are others, but none with enough plot significance to really make up for this imbalance. Plus, a lot of those characters die.

If he were one among many Black Rebel leaders of varying political mindsets, I think my personal gripes with his writing could be resolved more. (However, Black fans opinion here would matter more than mine.)

The basic thing is that Star Wars writers do not know or care about your friends. They don't seem particularly tapped into the political realities of young radicalized minorities right now. We have to be more serious and objective here than this.

Their points of reference were most likely Che Guevara and Malcolm X, so on and so forth. i could handle that under certain circumstances. Andor did a pretty great job portraying him. The Rogue One book did a good job. Then the animations get their hands on him and, as is kind of inherent to the nature of kids shows, they have to pick someone to make the bad or scary decisions to show kid viewers that actually, changing the world through any means possible is a bad thing, and that you should usually use your words, be polite, and not be aggressive or demanding like these ~scary~ people performing direct action. Why did TBB and Rebels choose to take the one Rebel Black guy and make him try to win by putting children&other marginalized people at risk and using explosives and shit? in a real life context, when we focus on the motivations of the writers and not the content of the character, it gets concerning. It is not all, but many of the writers. It is not all, but I'd say most of the fans. The problem is a pretty big one. When u write him in such a way that people r blaming him for character's deaths and accusing him of parental abuse, the writers did something wrong too, not just the fans

Saw Gerrera is one of my all time favorite characters in star wars, because I think he's fascinating and full of potential. But it's really important to be objective about the inequalities in writing here, and pay attention to the way the very few Black characters in a narrative are portrayed.

#saw gerrera #antiblackness #racism

[maidenvault]

I or K for the ask game?

Has tumblr caused you to stop liking any fandoms, if so, which and why

I mean my profile says one of my main interests is "agreeing with nobody about Star Wars anymore" and I mean it lol. Nothing could ruin my love of SW forever but for a while after TRoS I felt like I did need a break from the fandom because it was exhausting seeing all the popular takes I strongly disagree with. The Jedi Order are a bad cult who beat up parents and steal their babies to train them, and they're obviously also all-powerful so should be able to simply eradicate slavery and other societal evils. The Jedi Order have never been in the wrong when it comes to anything even though in the prequel era they were canonically misguided and wrong about many things, and got caught up in fighting a war despite being "peace keepers," which all helped their downfall. Reylos are all evil racist baby murderers, basically. It's delusional to claim TFA was setting up a Finn/Rey romance that got abandoned and Rey telling him to stop grabbing her hand was a cool girl power moment (not simply giving her characterization as someone who isn’t used to being touched or treated well but in the next moment willingly takes his hand in a choice to trust him after all because after that explosion he immediately checked if she was okay...ugh!!). Luke having a moment of weakness that turns Ben against him - Luke, who in an over-emotional moment forgot he came to save his father and cut off his hand in rage - was totally out of character. Because Luke takes after Padme and Leia takes after Anakin obviously, it's very simple. Rose's line about "saving what we love" is super deep and has anything to say about the franchise as a whole that holds up under scrutiny. Rian Johnson criticizing how supposedly blood-thirsty the rebellion against a fascist power is, in a movie in which he decided to slaughter almost that entire rebellion, was soooo smart.

I'm sorry I could go on forever and I really shouldn't because I'd lose all my followers. 😆

Say something nice about someone in any of your fandoms

@richiebadnews is possibly my favorite batcat writer even though they haven’t done much. Even if “Voir Moi” never gets finished (which I totally understand), the two chapters will continue to be re-read by me. 🥰

#star wars #luke skywalker #Rey #leia organa #asks

[itsclydebitches]

Ive blocked like 3 people today for the kylo ren shit takes lmao theyre just trying to start shit. i feel like if you're going to flatten "character who becomes a nazi-allegory space wizard and is proud of it, and then kills his own father on a good vs evil space opera" and "pirate romantic comedy antagonist who doesn't actually achieve his goals even Once and doesn't do anything too far from the moral baseline of the main characters", and then put it in the character tag, you cant be surprised when people ignore you.

Is kylo ren the only popular villian they know (what rock do they live under) or just the one they know scores the most disgust points out of the gate bc of the morality crusade the sw fandom went on over his fangirls??

(Also while I dont like kylo ren bc i found him boring i dont actually care that people like him?? It has 0 impact on my life. What got me out of the sw fandom was all the hate if you shipped any of the main three in the Wrong Way, the kylo stans were a bit annoying sometimes but this is fandom. We're all annoying.)

(I don't even have that much of an opinion on Kylo Ren because my interest in SW is focused almost entirely on the Clone Wars era. I watched the new trilogy once lol.)

I've also seen Snape come up a couple times as a comparison, which is its own can of worms. Honestly, I knew the moment tumblr started diving into Izzy that a lot of other fans would be upset by that focus and I do have sympathy for them because I've been there. I've absolutely been the person standing on the sidelines, feeling left out of many popular conversations, struggling to find kinkmeme prompts I want to fill, all because the community has latched onto a character that makes my skin crawl. It's a sucky situation to be in, but that doesn't mean the rest of the fandom is in the wrong for catering to their preferences. Over the past 2+ months I've watched posting move from playful complaints and semi-private venting to far more serious accusations that equate liking Izzy with some sort of moral failing: as a fan who isn't writing the characters "correctly," as a viewer who isn't reading the show "properly," as a human being who is, supposedly, making a conscious choice to reject the diversity in the show to instead uphold the awful white man, so that makes you racist, homophobic, ableist, etc. And I mean, I knew this would happen because it always happens (RWBY friends, you KNOW it happens)... I just didn't expect it to start really kicking off with Kylo Ren of all things.

Ultimately though I'm an old school fandom granny who subscribes to the general philosophy of "Don't like; don't read." Everyone should be allowed to engage with the canon in the way that makes them happy. You don't like what they're creating? Ignore it! Block freely and without guilt! If you disagree strongly with a fandom stance — as I've done tonight — that should be posted on your personal blog and shared by like-minded folks; don't go throwing yourself into a tag you hate, screaming at those trying to enjoy themselves. Moral crusades against people who like villains/antagonists, or aren't enjoying them in the "right" way, is nothing new, but it never gets any less frustrating to encounter. Plus, despite my description of Izzy's popularity above, this isn't actually a fandom where the "wrong" character has taken over. AO3 has over 4,000 fics for Ed/Stede compared to 500 some for Ed/Izzy (with Lucius/Black Pete coming in before that at 604). I've already reached the point where I'm shaking my head if someone tries to seriously claim that the fandom, as a unified whole, has rejected the loving, diverse, healthy canon relationships for the toxic, white man-focused, fantasy relationships and that makes you a bad person, didn't you know? There's plenty of content for the "right" characters and the "right" ships alongside interest in Izzy. Plus, we can have both! [cue everyone's shocked gasps]. I'm writing a fluffy fake dating au AND a woobified Izzy suffering from hanahaki disease! I guarantee you the world will not end if you let people 'poor little meow meow' a fictional character once in a while.

#OFMD #Our Flag Means Death #long post

[masterjedilenawrites]

For the unpopular opinions:

The Last Jedi actually had great story elements and was the best of the SW Sequels. It's not flawless, but it was entertaining and not nearly as bad as everyone says it is.

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Agreed, and I’ll never forgive whoever was responsible for retconning all the interesting things TLJ was trying to do in the next movie… Rey’s parents being irrelevant? Kylo destroying his helmet because he doesn’t want to be a child in a mask? Luke’s lightsaber being destroyed by the next generation of Force users? Like dang, what thoughtful, emotional story elements those are… or were, before we’re told literally none of it matters by the next film.

I do think The Force Awakens has the better soundtrack though.

Send me an unpopular opinion

#ask game #unpopular opinions #the last jedi

[mcgregor]

sw visions was kinda disappointing 😬

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confession time: i didn't finish watching it 😬

i enjoyed what i saw, like half the episodes I believe, but it didn't left a huge impression to me either..

Send me unpopular opinions (or popular, it doesn't matter) and I'll rate them like this

#ask #anon #ask games #thank you ! #sw visions

[mimdecisive]

for the last couple days I've been thinking about an AU of the castaspellma AU where Glimmer, having troubles with her truth spell and SW unable to cast one, call in Castaspella to help with the interrogation.

And she doesn't know anything about this 'prisoner', but she comes, because her niece asked her to. And then, she sees them...

...and suddenly, she has to have a Very Long conversation about her long-lost child who was kidnapped by the Horde.

Needless to say, Glimmer and Castaspella are both very hesitant to interrogate them, and instead agree that DT can be transferred to Mystacor for the time being.

#spop #she ra #castaspella #glimmer #SW strongly disagrees #but glimmer doesn't know what to do with them. they're her cousin and she's still processing #and she's not sure she wants to see them while she does. knowing she has a cousin and they're apparently working for the Horde? #casta desperately wants to try to connect with them #glimmer wants her to find out what they know about the horde's plans but the only detective work casta is interested in is their trauma #castaspellma AU #double trouble #meanwhile DT wants to know why casta is being so nice and not putting them in a Real Cell like mystacor has #or why they can't quite seem to figure out casta. casta is a lot like DT in some ways. she also puts on an Act #but she genuinely cares in a way DT probably hasn't seen a lot before. she's patient and she's willing to put in the time #to build a relationship with them even if they keep pushing her away #(she's used to it. angella did it plenty.)

[purrvaire]

character prompt list - din djarin

oh dear I am ECSTATIC to answer this and gush over my favourite tin can man 🤍

• favourite thing about them: it's important I start this by saying that din djarin became one of my absolute fave in sw so fast it's actually ridiculous and I'm more than a little in love with him SO THAT BEING SAID he is so GENTLE like you wouldn't expect that from a bounty hunter who's seen and been through so much and YET he's the kindest person in the galaxy (if you've read my previous post about obi-wan: yes, there is a pattern here). Also, of course being a dad to grogu is a big part of his whole characterisation and what absolutely wrecks me is that he loves and cares for his child in a way that is completely disinterested about his own desires and wants... him letting go Grogu? him deciding not to see him despite being so close to him? I'm I tears.

Also every dry, sarcastic comment Din makes adds ten years to my lifespan

• least favorite thing about them: absolutely nothing I love this man so much leave me alone 😭😭😭😭

• favourite line: "he means more to me than you will ever know" USING GIDEON'S WORD AGAINST HIM WHILE BEING THE SOFTEST BADASS DAD EVER I need a minute

• brOTP: BOBA we love tin can men being besties and I hope to see him interact more with Fennec in the future 🤍

• OTP: 💗💗💗💗💗💗 DINLUKE 💗💗💗💗💗 they came out from nowhere and turned my life upside down and literally crushed my writer block... the chokehold they have on me is incredible. I could rant for DAYS about them being the most delightful ship that has ever been shipped and I think that if THE RAT WASN'T FUCKING HOMOPHOBIC and if star wars didn't care about dudebros opinions they would be 100% canon thanks for coming to my tedtalk.

• nOTP: honestly I ship din only with luke lmao I don't particularly dislike other ships, just not my thing ig??? ex I don't get the hype for dincobb but hey, to each their own, right?

• random headcanon: i think he has a very expressive face and bc he's been wearing the helmet for so many years he never really learned to control his expressions so imagine din making all sort of funny/exasperated faces under it lmao

• unpopular opinion: it's very random but in fanfictions I always read that din and han would dislike each other and I STRONGLY DISAGREE YOUR HONOR maybe they wouldn't hit off immediately but in the end I think they would be best pals and co-founders of the "I Married Into Thee Skywalker Family And Now I Keep Getting Involved In All The Galaxy Drama". Meetings are on Thursdays.

• song I associate with them: I heard some days ago "Remember Me" from Coco sang by Christina Perri and it made me think about Din and Grogu I am unwell.

• favourite picture of them:

I KNOW IT'S A MEME BUT IT SENDS ME LMAO

#ask game #thanks for asking!!! <3 #lidia answers #din djarin

[jate-kara]

Unpopular opinion: I think it would've been great to see more of the brotherhood between the Clones and their culture as well as their relationship to the Jedi in tcw... For a show named after them we don't see neatly enough of them except when they're dying on the field.

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SW: Rebels has its own ups and downs (and I hate what they did with Rex and Wolffe and Gregor), but I think one thing it did much, much better than TCW was have actual narrative continuity across its seasons. We see the characters mourn losses and grieve mistakes. Stuff that happens in season one gets referenced in season three. Etc.

TCW struggled with that because it took a galactic conflict spanning four years and tried to give us point-by-point presentation, with no clear idea of how much time had elapsed between each event. Great for setting up a vague timeline for how the war progressed. Terrible for any kind of continuous character development. The result was that a lot of the main events we were shown were focused more on the ‘war-scale’ consequences and less on the individual characters’ reactions to them.

The clones’ development was largely shoved aside. We never see Rex and Fives talk about losing Echo at the Citadel, or see Rex check on Cody after Anaxes. We don’t hear any mention of Fives during the Bad Batch arc, and we don’t ever really get any sort of meaningful Cody development. We know he’s supposed to be close with Obi-Wan, by his official character page, and a few lines in the Ahsoka novel, but we’re never shown much of that in the show, beyond the most-often giffed moments. We also know Rex and Cody are supposed to be very close, because Rex calls out for Cody when he’s having a flashback in Rebels, and because Cody’s character page says that too, and because we get a few moments with them here and there throughout TCW - but that’s it.

Rex has jaig eyes on his helmet. People who have read Legends lore know the implications, but people who are just stepping into the show have no idea. But they never discuss it! They wrote a ‘Jar Jar Binks Gets A Girlfriend’ arc but they never mentioned the significance of Rex’s jaig eyes, and how they tie into Mandalorian culture, and what act of bravery Rex must have committed to earn the right to wear them. They never had Rex and Cody discuss Umbara! They didn’t even let Cody use his jetpack!

In short: this got long, but I am 2000% in agreement with you.

#asks

[sivavakkiyar]

okay so I strongly disagree with Doniger specifically on her strong attachment to “Hinduism” but I forgot that the Sw*nar*yans did this. especially “funny” considering the constant assertion of Proud H*ndu Identity coming out of their NJ temple built on slave labour

[gffa]

I read your post about children don’t get to chose the religion they grow up with because of their parents and while that is correct. I HARD DISAGREE with the Jedi on that. They go out looking for children that possess a special gift (Force sensitivity) and to train as servants of the Republic. They are sent out with their masters before they are even adults on missions where they may have to fight, kill, or die.

And the reason this is supposed to be okay is based on the idea that they can leave whenever they want. When they leave the Order they’ll have nothing. If some Padawan wanted to leave and they told their services with a lightsaber to someone the Jedi would stop them and the Padawan would be wrong.

The Jedi should not take in infants.

You are welcome to your views if you want, but since you came into my inbox, I in turn am in hard disagreement with your assessment, both for how we're not shown a lot of what you're assuming here and because what we are shown paints it with a lot of different context. What we're shown in canon is that, if the biological parents say no, then the Jedi don't adopt the child. What we're shown through the way Jedi seekers work is often that--like in the case of Ahsoka, through word of god commentary--is that the parents called them. What we're shown is that the galaxy is not kind to Force-sensitive children and the Jedi were able to help them. We're shown that Force abilities are really dangerous if you don't have a rock-solid grip on yourself and that it really, really helps to start from a young age with that, that George Lucas has even said, had Anakin been trained from when he was an infant, he would have been trained better. They have nothing when they leave the Jedi Order? Nothing in the movies or TV shows even says what they do/don't have when they leave. Further, they're trained with a ton of various skills to be able to make their way through the galaxy, we see Jedi being incredibly capable when they get stranded somewhere or when they're going on a mission somewhere, because they're trained to be able to make their way through the galaxy. They're taught languages, they're taught mechanics, they're taught history, they're taught self-defense, those are incredibly marketable skills. And I'm just going to crib off @agoddamn's post about how Jedi using lightsabers (and thus being trained to fight) has specific context that isn't "actually the Jedi are bad", as well as point out that before the war started happening (and the war was not an inherent part of anyone's lifestyle in the Republic, including the Jedi) we have no evidence that Jedi died a lot or that the Jedi were in much danger when they went on missions. And it wouldn't make sense that they're not allowed to use the Force, given that the Jedi speak warmly of other Force-using groups like the Guardians of the Whills or the Bardottens. We don't even know if they're allowed to use their lightsaber or not, nothing in the series says one way or the other. I can agree it might be discouraged because the lightsaber was associated so strongly with the Jedi but like. Yoda literally gives Asajj back her lightsaber in the first episode of TCW and no Jedi ever says, "That's illegal to have that!" whenever they see someone other than a Jedi with a lightsaber. Anakin gives Ahsoka back her lightsabers in season 7 and Obi-Wan is right there and has no objections to it, the entire Council doesn't object to it, even when an important distinction is made about how she's not a Jedi. Yes, she's going after Maul, so she's going to need hers, but there's never a point where anyone says that only Jedi are allowed to use lightsabers. The source material and word of god commentary seems to generally support that Jedi should be adopted when they're infants, and honestly that generally reflects real world context (not that everything in SW should be held to a 1:1 real world context relationship, mind) so you're welcome to disagree if you want (no shade there, honest), but I'm pretty convinced by what SW has actually shown me!

#jedi order #meta

[snow-in-the-desert]

Not hating on the fandom and idk if it has been mentioned here before as I am a new fan, but I think Reylo would have worked better in the movies if they were given more time to develop romantically. I get their enemies to lovers trope but the enemy part was pushed waaay more. Idk, they were a little too hostile for me or maybe it was just the acting. Them kissing at the end felt so rushed and while I am a fan of Reylo (and Zutara and Dramione- what can I say, enemies to lovers is just.. *chefs kiss*), I wished the kiss didn't happen at all.

It's no secret that TROS was a disappoint to SW fans, reylo or not. It's an ~ almost ~ universally hated film, I would say. So you won't be hearing from me any counterarguments on that part.

The plot was rushed and clumsy. The director tried to rewrite history because he (I assume) didn't like what Rian Johnson did in TLJ by making Rey a Nobody™. They sidelined Finn and Rose's characters completely because of an extremely virulent and 📢 Loud 📢 online minority of supposed Star Wars "fans" that hurled racist abuse at the actors and made all the Disney execs and writers run scared.

It was... a shitshow.

However, given all that is bad about it, I still think the actors did a great job with what they were given. Adam and Daisy had really convincing chemistry IMO.

Can't say I agree with their relationship being 'too hostile' because at the end of the day... it is a Star Wars film, and lightsaber fights are kind of a given. But you're 100% entitled to your own opinions and feelings of the film - it's not anyone else's place to say whether you're right or wrong on the matter. It's personal taste, end of story.

Although I do have to strongly disagree with you on the reylo kiss bit... if only because it's existence is what made reylo officially cannon.

Sometimes I just like to rewatch that scene and-

ya know..

#I didn't mean to write such a long answer to this... #apparently I also have a lot to say on the matter 😂 #reylo #rise of skywalker #star wars

[communistkenobi-archive]

unpopular opinion: i hate that the sw/mandalorian fandom for the most part forgot about omera. julia jones played her with such nuance and i don’t think she gets enough appreciation for that. (she also deserves to be brought back given the potential her character has)

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literally!!!! she’s the only main side character from s1 who didn’t come back in s2 which makes me :(((

#mando.txt #questions in spaaace #unpopular ask meme #love u so much queen

[gizkalord]

unpopular opinion: r1 is the best sw movie

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siege of mandalore is the best sw movie. i’m right

#mags.txt #unpopular opinions ask #rogue one #Anonymous

[twilightofthe]

Unpopular Opinion: Breha Organa should have made at least one appearance in TCW.

(Ask game found here)

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GIVE ME THE GODDAMN MILFS* DO YOU HEAR ME? STOP HIDING THEM

Like. We DESERVED BREHA. C’mon she would have been SO good in any one of the Padmé arcs! I want to see her and Bail’s relationship!

Imagine if we had like, a “girls’ night” kinda ep with Padmé and Satine and Mon and Riyo and then Breha! All the ladies!!! Plus then getting Breha means we can have another pretty dress which, y’all KNOW I am all for the SW fashion 😤

(*Yes I do know that Breha was not yet a mother at the time of TCW but come ON y’all call Obi Wan a dilf all the time and he doesn’t have any canon (I repeat, CANON) kids either xD Breha has big milf vibes)

#this was fun send me more ny’all ÒwÓ #nerdgatehobbit #asks #ask #I don’t have a breha tag yet #sw the clone wars