#TW queerbaiting

[scorpionyx9621]

TW: Death, Queerbaiting, and Voltron

Like I'm sorry y'all I'm just as hyped for the new content as much as anyone but the second I heard Lauren Montgomery was the one directing the first animated movie my heart sank to my god damned stomach.

For those of you who don't know, Lauren Montgomery was one of the co-directors for Voltron: Legendary Defender with fellow LoK creative director Joaquim Dos Santos. For those of you who very fortunately were not on this god forsaken hellsite between the years of 2016-2018 VLD had this website by the god damned throat. From seasons 1 through debatably 6 it was a genuinely good, if weirdly paced show. Then from Season 7-8 the show went down the shitter. FAST.

To make a long story very short that can be easily explained much better than I ever could by a brilliant YouTube miniseries by The Sin Squad. Lauren Montgomery and Joaquim Dos Santos both had an original script that involved killing off one of the characters, but were forced by their production company DreamWorks to keep said character (It's Shiro.) Alive because DreamWorks correctly predicted that Shiro would become the favorite character of the show.

How did Lauren Montgomery and Joaquim Dos Santos react to this news that they had to re-write a heavy portion of the show just to keep Shiro alive? Well they made it work for Season 3-6 with minor jabs towards DreamWorks here and there. Yet the second they could get Shiro introduced fully back into the team on Season 7 onwards they do a litany of things ranging from pretty good to exceptionally bad.

Announce that Shiro actually died but we're gonna fudge with reality and our own universe to bring him back (cool I guess)

Instead of expanding upon Shiro's role as a leader and a character just designate him as a talking head and a wallflower until they get back to earth (Bad)

Upon getting back to earth, the show shoves a half-baked romantic subplot for Shiro involving another man whom we know Jack and Shit about only to have him be on screen for all of like 4 minutes, 3 of them he's fighting with Shiro, and the last 1 minute he's dying. Perpetuating the bury your gays trope yet again. (very derogatory and bad)

Take a character who literally could have been the champion of diversity in an animated show (A gay, physically disabled Japanese man suffering from PTSD) and turn him into a wallflower for what could have been a fantastic growth opportunity and just have him go through even more trauma all for shits and giggles. (Hatred)

LM and JDS both fully admitted that they did all of this and the reason for this being largely because of their resentment towards DreamWorks and they both regret how the show ended. (*Screams into the dark, cold, uncaring void*)

I do not mean this post to be an attack towards Lauren Montgomery. She has a family and loved ones who care about her, sh does not under any circumstances deserve harassment or threats. She is a professional writer who makes a whole lot more money than I do and is able to churn out a literal multi-million dollar franchise in less than 3 years. Even if said franchise crashed and burned in a way that is only comparable to the finale of HBO's Game of Thrones. She has the professional chops and I don't. I am not at all trying to say I could ever fix Voltron after the literal maelstrom of a shit storm it became with the fandom literally threatening to kill people over ships.

But I am never going to forgive her and Joaquim Dos Santos for what they did to Takashi Shirogane. Ever. And after hearing the announcement this morning that she's at the helm of this upcoming animated movie I cannot in good faith just sit by and let people not know what she has done. Yes you can call me a crazed Shiro Stan. You wouldn't be wrong. But Lauren Montgomery and Joaquim Dos Santos both tortured and maimed a disabled Japanese character and turned him gay only for the woke points and to create more pain. They never wanted to make Shiro gay in the first place because they never wanted Shiro to be alive at that point.

I am happy to see that the Team of Bryke is working very closely with Lauren Montgomery on this if only because they were they original creative directors, but if I were in their position being forced to give one of the highest positions to a well known and documented bad-faith actor, I'd keep her on as tight a leash as possible. I'm still going to watch the movie, but I am going to be hyper-vigilant about the fact that Lauren is the one at the helm. I want this movie to succeed just as much as anyone else, but like I said, I cannot in good faith just stand by and let it not be known what Lauren Montgomery has done and what she could be capable of doing again.

#takashi shirogane #TW Voltron #voltron legendary defender #lauren montgomery #avatar the last airbender #avatar the legend of korra #legend of korra #avatar aang #avatar korra #Bryke #ATLA #LoK #tw burry your gays #tw queerbaiting #tw violence

[is-this-just-fantasy]

I just heard about this Harry Styles thing... time for a gay girl's possibly unpopular opinion. I honestly think that "Harry Styles isn't queerbaiting" and "Harry Styles isn't the king of pop" can and should coexist.

I mean cmon... irl people don't exist to be the perfect queers. They're still people who make mistakes and stuff. The fact that people are looking at a real guy and calling him queerbaiting is a little scary... he's not a cartoon character.

#queer #harry styles #tw queerbaiting #pop

[thewokecatgirl]

THIS IS A CLEAR EXAMPLE OF QUEERBAITING!!! WE SHOULD JUST CANCEL RTGAME AND CALLMEKEVIN!!! IF WE CAN CALL DREAM OUT FOR IT, WE SHOULD CALL THESE TWO WHITE CISHET MEN OUT!!!

#tw homophobia #tw queerbaiting #rtgame #callmekevin #queerbaiting #anti rtgame #anti callmekevin #patriarchy #fuck the patriarchy #queer #lgbtqia+ #lgbtq+ #satire

[faggot-friday]

A very important part of Heartstopper is how both Charlie and Nick were outed against their wills, and how that's not okay and everyone who had a part in that was held accountable for that

The fact that Heartstopper fans have outed Kit against his will (or forced him to come out, if you're going to come after me for my wording, but it's still against his will) means you missed the entire fucking point of the story

#heartstopper #charlie spring #nick nelson #heartstopper tv #heartstopper netflix #joe locke #kit connor #tw swearing #alice oseman #osemanverse #i'm so fucking tired. literally fuck all of you who had anything to do with that. #REAL PEOPLE CANNOT FUCKING QUEERBAIT. fuck's sake #tw swearing in tags #tw caps in tags

[gay-jewish-bucky]

Just reminding yall Hayley Atwell isn't a fucking ally to anyone, she's exactly what's wrong with most prominent white feminists

#marvel #mcu #anti marvel #anti mcu #anti hayley atwell #tw racism #tw lesbophobia #anti agent carter #anti peggy carter #anti peggy #she said this after actively queerbaiting for months and saying peggy was bi #“i'm not racist we have people of colour in the writers room”

[alarrytale]

any 'criticism' from twitter is not real criticism it's people being haters spreading complete bullcrap and it's honestly so tiring. the mental illness from people in fandoms who hate on other celebs is real. they don't make any sense and what they're saying is completely untrue yet here we are forced to read this insanity. no person in their right mind would be saying that when harry doesn't have music to sell he looks straight. you don't 'look' your sexuality unless you intentionally queer code. looking straight is not a thing. I am just sick and tired of haters being so stupid on purpose just because they want to hate harry because they're not his 'stan'.

Hi, anon!

I sort of both agree and disagree with you. I agree that people love to hate on successful people, and hive minds and fandom culture usually make people pile on or create hate trains. The competition for attention and engagement between artists and between fandoms is rife and small things can quickly blow out of porportions. However people are allowed to call out their fave for their behaviour. It doesn’t mean they love them any less. It doesn’t mean they hate them.

I get why people are reacting to what they see as queerbaiting. The tweet in question was tweeted by a queer man. I totally get why people, especially queer people, are calling out queerbaiting. Queer people want and need real queer representation, and don't want to be baited by straight people who have historically marginalised and oppressed queers. I see the tweet as critism and not hate. The tweet wasn't hateful. It was a remark and subtle dig/a call out to Harry for only appearing queer when it's profitable, which is an image he in fact is projecting to the gp. H is also not showing behaviour that you'd expect to see in a gay but closeted person. He's exaggeratedly flamboyant and queer presenting when on stage or a red carpet, but when he's off stage he's back to playing a womaniser who rotates regularly between model gfs. Since he is straight presenting, with no natural limp wrist or any mannerisms which is associated with queer stereotypes, people will read him as straight. So we can't fault anyone for not knowing he's gay and closeted. You should, of course, never assume someones sexuality, but every arrow points to him being straight.

Harry usually does queercode. We're used to seeing him with long floppy hair, flared pants or skinny leggings, flowery shirts, maybe a purse, and fully decked in jewelry. When he turns up with short neat hair and in plain smart business clothing, in a stereotypically male and heterosexual environment (a football match), while still stunting and showing no natural stereotypical queer mannerisms, people are going to see a straight man. Since he's presenting both super queer and super straight, people are confused. He's sending out mixed signals. Since he's not naturally stereotypically gay presenting, like Louis is for example, he's not even recognised as gay by his own community. It's his own community calling him out. His fellow queers.

The way fandoms are and hive minds work, people are going to pile on to drag him down. They see behaviour they don't agree with and call him out for it. That's not hate in my eyes. They're protecting themselves and their community from being taken advantage of by a "straight" man yet again. I don't think they're being ignorant on purpose. I just think his straight image has done a number on them, it's working too well. You can't blame queer people for being gaslighted into believing he's straight. Sony made it this way and now Sony have to deal with the consequences. If H was allowed to be his gay self and stopped stunting with women, he'd be read as queer instead of a queerbaiter.

#tw ableism #please stop with that or i'm not going to answer your asks #you can state your opinion without using ableism perfectly fine #harry image #solo harry #queerbaiting #queercoding #fandom

[all-klanced-up]

Good evening Voltron Fandom, I am back on my bullshit.

#my art! #klance #sharpshooter™ #the emo #voltron legendary queerbait #voltron tw

[jukain4216]

I'm not a fan of gatekeeping but everytime I fucking see a certain type of white allocishet in kpop spaces I change my stance

Like I just want to watch cute videos of groups wearing rainbows and hugging each other without someone saying shit like "oh they only act supportive so they don't get cancelled, they're probably homophobic/racist behind the scenes"

Like yeah that has unfortunately been the case (Siwon go fuck your queerbaiting self in the ass with your dog) with some idols, but not everyone is like that?? Also citing that they're from South Korea which is very conservative like everyone there thinks exactly the same and doesn't have access to the internet. Queer people and poc exist in South Korea as well and the fact that people act like they don't really says something. For fuck's sake, part of my family came from a similarly conservative Asian country and managed to not be racist/homophobic, because guess what? not everyone from one country has the same beliefs.

It's also unfair that queer people/poc can't enjoy fandom spaces without being reminded that there are people who literally want us dead for existing like?? Yeah I don't know these people personally and don't claim to know what their beliefs are, but I like to believe that Mamamoo means it when they hold events to support queer fans or that Chan was making a concious effort to talk about periods in a gender neutral fashion or that P1H wasn't just trying to gain clout when they talked about cultural appropriation in the industry. But no, everytime a group comes around that seems to be safe people feel the need to ruin it for us.

I don't know who needs to hear this but just let minorities find joy in something oh my god

#tw homophobia #tw racism #this doesn't just apply to kpop but #i was watching a video compilation of dreamcatcher being supportive to queer fans #and people were like “lol they actually hate you guys but you make them money” #and it's frustrating because why can't we enjoy things without needing to be on guard at all times #so that kind of inspired this rant #fun #also friendly reminder real people can't queerbait unless their name is choi siwon #and i'm not saying idols can't do anything wrong but like it's not healthy to ways assume the worst in everyone #like yeah if one of my ults ends up doing bad shit then i'll drop them but in the mean time i want to be able to enjoy myself #and now i'm just rambling in the tags i'll stop

[indiaalphawhiskey]

I'm pretty sure ALL the queer baiting talk will come back once again after that quote of his, about things like not happening with people like him, which could mean lots of things but fans are trying to argue on the queer argument. I think it's complicated because we can force people to know every little detail of Harry's history, every lyric, every behavior, clue or quote. So many of the GP are perfectly happy with the info the artist themself provides and + 1

Hey, love.

I’m really sleepy and crampy right now, so I’ll be honest: I don’t really feel like having this conversation in depth, but I decided to respond because I do have something to say.

I think that one thing Harry learned the hard way about being in his particularly niche situation (and to be clear, I mean: deeply closeted, had his relationship leveraged against him and his partner, is highly sexualized, marketed primarily as a sex symbol and heterosexual fantasy, and made to believe that his sexuality is his primary (if not only) source of value) was that willful ignorance is a thing. (Harry’s tried to be earnest and honest within the confines of his closet. He said he only slept with 2 people, no one believed him. He hasn’t so much as looked at a woman with any sort of sexual interest, people still choose to believe pap shots where he looks like he’s rather lick a public toilet than be around his stunt partner. He flies pride flags at every. fucking. show and constantly talks about feeling safe and being yourself, and welcoming whoever you want to be in this room, and yet the consistency of those messages never weigh heavier than tabloid headlines, etc etc etc.)

Put simply, the people who want to understand will find a way, and the people who don’t just… won’t, no matter how much access and information you give them.

How do I know this? Because we were all part of the GP once, and therefore fed the exact same Harry narrative as the GP is getting - we’ve seen the parade of beards and pap shots, we’ve heard all the seedy groupie rumors… and yet we found ourselves here, actively looking for answers to the questions we couldn’t quiet. (And finding them.)

And so, at this point, I know the queerbaiting questions will come (again) and I know people will conclude the wrong thing (again) and I know he’ll receive undeserved backlash (again), but for me that only reinforces his need for strict boundaries around his personal life and his point about choosing to share his label with whomever he feels is deserving of that knowledge (ie. not the public.)

TL;DR - Harry knows that this life comes with those questions, and he’s chosen to protect his peace, and I’m choosing to protect mine. The people who want answers (real answers, not just answers that fit the salacious narratives they’ve already chosen they actively want to believe) will come find them, and frankly, they’re the only ones I want to celebrate his wins with anyway.

#iaw ask #iaw anonymous #Harry discussion #queerbaiting tw

[360degreesasthecrowflies]

via JK Rowling’s New Friends (article) (Oct. 2022)

#anti jkr #jk rowling's new friends #shaun #comments #cj nelson #lesbian rights #fake gay allies #fake lgbt supporter #queerbaiting #transphobia #tw #rowling

[kitkatsudon]

So. Today has been a weird day.

Rambles below, because I’m in my feelings but that doesn’t necessarily have to be your problem.

The first thing I saw when I woke up today was that Ice Adolescence had been cancelled. The second thing piece of news I received, within a few minutes of this, was that my Grandma had passed away.

The second thing is more personal, and I haven’t come here to talk about that - I suppose more than anything it’s to give context on today’s slightly weird vibe, and why I’m feeling perhaps more nostalgic than I would be normally.

Perhaps as a distraction, I want to ramble about YOI.

Though now I’ve sat down to actually do this… where do I start?

Though my internet presence is very TKEM-focused nowadays, since its release, YOI has always been incredibly dear to me. It came out just as I had found out that my family were going to be moving across the country (and ok, in the UK that’s maybe less of a big deal than if I lived in a larger country, but I was 14, and 14 is a horrible age, so it was still a big deal to me). YOI came out in late 2016, we moved at the beginning of 2017, and I joined a much smaller school with… let’s say less choice for the people I could make friends with.

I was, technically, adopted by a friendship group, but it took a long time, some falling outs within the group, and me learning everything there ever was to know about BTS despite having no real passion for music-based fandoms for me to really feel included. The friendship group I’d left behind was much more diverse in terms of interests, and we thrived on mutual sharing and acceptance of each other’s interests. This new one was more kind of “conform or fuck you,” and I never quite managed to conform properly.

All that is to say… while I didn’t really have friends, in 2017, I had YOI and its fandom. While I was dealing with the huge changes in my life, I was comforted through it by, more than anything else, lurking around the YOI fandom. I had my first forays into posting things online using Google+, of all things (my parents didn’t let me have social media, but I could access this using my gmail), and they were drawings I had done of YOI characters, even a hand-drawn anecdote comic thing, and just… it was rudimentary, but you gotta start somewhere, right?

It became what I was known for, in my new school. It became part of me. That summer, my family went on holiday to Orlando FL to do the theme parks, and despite that having been something that I’d been begging to do for years, what I ended up being most excited about was the opportunity to go to Hot Topic and buy the YOI merch that they’d recently announced. I bought a T-shirt, a blanket, and a backpack, and although the backpack’s strap broke after a year of using it for school, I still have the T-shirt and the blanket, and they’re still special to me to this day. Back then, listening to the soundtrack on repeat, I’d decided that one day I was going to perform a dance routine to ‘In regards to love: Eros,’ and at the end of my first year of uni, that was something I was actually able to do. Was it good? Not really, I’m by no means a professional dancer, but I felt like I was paying homage to my inner… not quite child, more like my inner angsty teenager?

My whatsapp background is still YOI-themed. I still proudly display my Funko Pops and my posters in my bedroom at home. YOI is still my comfort show, and though I’m not usually one for rewatching shows, it’s still the show that I’ve rewatched the most. Even my username is a relic of my ties to the YOI fandom - though I wasn’t really using it much then, it’s something I thought up during the days when I was deepest in it, and I thought to myself “if I ever am brave enough to really start posting things online, this is the username I’ll use.” So even though the first thing I ever posted under the name KitKatsudon was the beginning of a BTS fanfiction on Quotev on all places that I was writing with a friend of mine at the time, it has its roots in YOI.

It’s sort of funny - once upon a time, I used to semi-joke that I couldn’t die before the YOI movie came out. Don’t get me wrong, my mental health was never bad enough that I had actually realistically considered not making it to Ice Ado’s release, but every time I said it, I did mean it. No matter how shitty I felt, I had to keep going, because I was going to have my bum in a seat when it eventually released in cinemas. I guess what this means now is that, unless Ice Ado is picked up by another studio, I’m just never going to die 🤷‍♀️ you’d better buckle the fuck up, mortals, because MAPPA has just granted me ultimate power.

What am I trying to say? I don’t really know. Maybe thank you, to the YOI team, for being such a positive force in my life. You gave me something comforting to hold onto while everything around me was changing, while I was starting my sexuality journey, while I didn’t have the close support of peers to help boost my mood. I don’t watch the show so often nowadays, but that’s because I save it for instances where I really need comforting. Maybe like today.

The story of Ice Adolescence may be over, at least for now, but I’ll always be grateful for what we did get.

#tw: mentions of death #nothing really major but better to be careful #kitkat’s thoughts tag #yuri on ice #it’s just rambles about what that show meant and still means to me #spoiler alert: it’s a lot #rip yoi #you deserved so much better #little kitkat who ended her GCSE English presentation thing on queerbaiting with a hopeful message about yoi paving the way for better #would be so disappointed in mappa right now

[overobsessedfanboy23]

So I just watched When Marine Was There, for my Birthday and why I kind enjoyed the film, I felt disappointed that Marine, that was the grandmother the whole time! Like, I want to pretend to never happen, but I aadlly can't... Is that normal that part of me did enjoy the plot, even though I know it's messed up? Becpuse, now I feel ashamed for enjoying the half... I feel like it would be much better if Marrie would turn out to be a ghost or a doll. I apologise for my comment sounted uncomfortable. Also, when I watched half of the film, I recommended my online friend to watch it, before I found out about the twist. Should I warn them not to watch it? Or still let them watch it and wait for their reaction?

I don't blame you whatsoever. I got recommendations to see the film beforehand and during the bulk of it, I was really sucked in by the atmosphere and the animation and was really invested in Anna's plight. Honestly, if the queerbaiting didn't feel as malicious as it did to me, I probably still would've liked the movie. It was trying to tell a beautiful story it just didn't work because the ending really tainted a lot of its earlier scenes for me. Because queerbaiting aside, the ghost of this old woman pretending to be her younger self and relive her memories with her granddaughter standing in as her husband is just... Weird to me. And not weird in the usual charming anime way, weird in an... icky way. So if I were to rewatch the film, I wouldn't enjoy it like I enjoyed it the first time, which really sucks but I get enjoying it the first time.

#when marnie was there #tw: queerbaiting #studio ghibli #answers

[frownatic]

Now I have many problems with the duffer brothers writing but two of the things that got under my skin the most this season were

1. The abusive father being held in a positive light, making it seem redemption is possible for him, while continuing to put abuse victims as beyond help and evil to the core (Brenner vs Billy/Henry)

2. Making death the only true way for redemption. Which is dumber than ever in this case because the only guilt being carried was survivors guilt. (Eddie, Max)

I can not begin to put into words how harmful these two tropes are

#not to mention the bad dialogue #or the queerbaiting #or killing yet another side character to falsely heighten tension #or the very deus ex machina ending #or them still not acknowledging that these characters should have trauma #not just max #tw trauma #tw abuse #tw death #stranger things season four spoilers #stranger things #stranger things spoilers #stranger things season 4 #stranger things s4 #st s4 vol 2 #st s4 spoilers #st s4 #st s4 v2 #eddie munson #billy hargrove #max mayfield #dr brenner #anti duffers #duffer brothers

[thomas-the-goat-of-satan]

Derek and Stiles really do end up paired up together quite a bit, I see why y'all smashed them together like Barbies.

#teen wolf #sterek #yes it's queerbait but it's My queerbait #stiles stilinski #derek hale #show #cloey talks teen wolf #tw live blog #mine

[alarrytale]

Hi marte, sorry for the really stupid question but I was reading quote tweets on twitter of a photo of harry and some comments were saying he looked straight. I've seen it a few times and it's usually from fans but there was a tweet that went viral about him looking straight and the comments were mixed, there were people saying he only dresses gay for performing but other comments were defending him saying that he was at a football game so of course he wasn't going to wear anything fancy. So my stupid question is why does he look straight and what is it that makes him look straighter than compared to like a year ago? what has he done to look more straight and do you think it's intentional?

Hi, anon!

You're not asking stu*id questions, you're just curious about other people's perception of Harry and Harry's image.

There are behaviour, traits, mannerisms and looks that make up the queer or gay stereotype. If you want to signal that you're queer or gay, you usually do something or adopt a look that fits that stereotype, also called queercoding. Harry has queercoded since the early days of 1D, but he's queercoded a lot more and been a lot more explicit now that he's a solo artist. The issue is that the queercoding only happens when he's on stage, on a red carpet or in promo mode. Outside of that he tones it down.

Harry has always had curls and long or longish hair. It makes him look soft and more feminine which is more aligned with queer stereotypes. So when Harry shaved his hair and now that he's growing it out again, it looks more masculine. He's currently got no curls and a hair cut that's seen in 3 out of 5 men. Paired with facial hair and a less boyish look, because he's aged, it makes him look more straight. In addition, we're used to seeing him wear very flamboyant looks with vibrant patterns or colours. Lately he's been wearing very subdued and conventional clothes, lots of dark blue and black. He's lost the flair. To top all this off he's been frequenting hyper-masculine spaces and blending in with straight looking men. A football match and now golfing.

A year ago he'd go to casual events with beige corduroy high waist pants with bellbottoms paired with a soft pale yellow wool cardigan. He'd have a little hairclip in his hair to keep it off his face and he'd maybe carry a purse. He'd have some fancy looking sunglasses and wear a pearl necklace. And of course his rings. Now we're getting pictures like this of him.

Arms crossed, brows furrowed in consentration, a buttoned up shirt and regular RayBans. He looks naked without his rings on his fingers. If he's going to go from this to an open sparkly vest on stage when performing and a put on flamboyant persona, the queerbaiting accusations will amplify. It won't be good.

Do you see the difference?

I have noticed him looking suspiciously straight since his tour ended, moreso than he's ever looked. I don't know if it means anything, but we are a bunch of people who have noticed it and commented on it. He has been in hyper-masculine spaces though, and been pictured there. So maybe that's why he's not queercoding. Is the straight look and behaviour intentional? I don't know. Is him frequenting hyper-masculine spaces in public intentional to affirm a straight image? Possibly. Is this look and behaviour more aligned with the real him? Maybe. We have to see what he chooses to do when promo starts.

#harry image #queerbaiting #queercoding #ableism tw #please stop with the ableist language thank you!

[nerevarbignaturals]

My favorite tattoo shop is doing flash today and they have a lighthouse design that I DESPERATELY WANT BC OFMD BRAINROT but I'm still dealing with sertraline withdrawal so I can't go :'(

absolutely gonna schedule another lighthouse tattoo with them when I'm better though so all is not lost

#this is the first time ive seen a show that hasnt queerbaited me #cough sherlock cough #so bet im gonna get a tat for it #ofmd #tw medication withdrawal mention