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#The other half of Upstead
smilesstardust · 23 days
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The album Broken by Desire to be Heavenly Sent by Lewis Capaldi is so upstead coded it hurts. ESPECIALLY Jay leaving onwards.
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imjustwritingg · 2 months
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So let me get this perfectly straight… upstead was a trauma response after building a partnership that worked for years and having one of the best slow burns on tv only for one half of the character to be written so out of character it isn’t even funny and then the very first episode back we have Hailey acting like she doesn’t even care about Jay and that he’s gone not to mention could care less that her marriage is over and meant nothing to her.
Meanwhile the other rowboat of ships who still can’t seem to figure it out after idk how many years at this point gets a THIRD proposal (which hmm who does that remind me of idk maybe upstead) and they get a happy ending while Tracy gets what on her final season?? Nothing?? Is this seriously the only way that idiot of a showrunner could make two relationships work on the same show is by destroying one in a matter of seconds while continuously praising the other one and giving them everything that they don’t even deserve. Make it make sense??
FUCKING THIS!!
Help. Me. Make. It. Make. Sense.
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kim-ruzek · 2 months
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You know what, I was just minding my own business but that stupid fucking person has really pissed me off, so I'm just gonna bitch for a while because upstead stans are the fucking worse and have literally been saying insane shit for over a year now.
putting this under a cut tho for my lovely mutuals who are upstead fans who are not part of the crazies and I don't wish for them to have to see my extreme bitchy and pettiness.
"Gwen Sigan doesn't believe that two ships can be happy at the same time" - yeah it's called have you fucking ever watched pd? LITERALLY been happening from the start it's not even unique to Sigan. This also really pisses me off because when I complained about Eid not believing in two ships being happy at once it was 'stop being dramatic' 'it makes for good tv' and, my absolute fucking favourite, 'burzek are just too toxic/traumtised for each other".
Oh but when your ship marries out of trauma (thank you gwen for pointing that out) and who's whole relationship was still very new and tested so frequently compared to ten years of loving, hurting and growing, it's oh no sigan is a shit writer.
There's also the fact that JESSE LEFT. I don't think there's any reason why Sigan shouldn't have re-written the divorce plans set from last season, and built up a happy upstead ending now we're also losing Tracy, but with Jesse gone, 'two ships can't be happy at once' CANNOT literally apply, because one half is gone, so it's no longer a viable plot point to the writers' perspective.
It's also not lost on me that upstead stans worshipped Sigan until Jesse left. 'Sigan didn't give upstead a chance' No, upstead stans didn't give her a chance. Which, granted, they shouldn't have to. If half of your ship leaves, it's perfectly valid to stop watching. But they evaluate sigan like they're fucking unbiased and not that they made up their minds about her as soon as the news hit.
(and that's not even talking about how before the news hit they were saying the 200th episode should be upstead focused, but upstead is broken and suddenly it's it should be about everyone).
And the marriage WAS born out of trauma. They had also barely been dating - it doesn't matter if you've been friends first, a relationship is different. And then they immediately went through A LOT at work, and they hadn't even been in the relationship long enough to learn how it would affect it, long-term.
"They're giving us burzek/burzek wedding to distract from upstead" get fucking over yourself.
"Sigan should admit she hates upstead/hates that the actors left" high talk from people who can't even fucking admit their ship is not the end all or be all of cpd. That they've been faced with the reality that upstead doesn't make or carry the show, like they've been delusionally believing. And that upstead is NO WHERE near the most iconic ship of the show.
Honestly, half the time these fucking people make me wish that Hailey is written out through a death/ or the linsteads get what they want - an off-screen reunion - even though my baby erin doesn't deserve that just to fucking spite them and I would HATE if that happened, but spite is a powerful thing.
if you've gotten to here, thank you for listening to my rant :)
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Well, This Is Awkward
Summary: Lyla walks in on something she didn’t expect to see.
TW: Making out 
Word Count: Somewhere around 543 
Note: Hi!  This just randomly popped in my head whilst thinking about Upstead. (I read it after originally posting [if that makes sense 😭] and edited it slightly but yeah anyway) I’m working on some more scenarios, idk if you really care but oh well if you do you know now lol.
Anyway, I hope you like this one! (:
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     “What did you guys do?”  Will inquired on the other line, Lyla struggling to control her laughter.
     He was referring to the prank Lyla and Mia pulled on Dante, and it was pretty funny.
     “Just tell me!”  Will whined, Lyla trying to suppress her laughter.
     “O-Okay.”  Lyla cleared her throat, taking a sip of her water before speaking, “We might’ve made all of his shirts pink.”
     “Lyla!”  Will exclaimed, Lyla bursting into laughter.
     Lyla calmed down once again, making her way to the front door, “Hey, at least he won’t look homeless anymore!”
     “You have a good point.”  Lyla smiled in pride at herself as Will continued, “How did he react?”
     “He was pissed.”  Lyla put her phone between her ear and her shoulder as she opened the door, taking another sip of her water as she stepped inside.
     Lyla’s eyes went wide with surprise as she began to choke on her water, shocked at the sight in front of her.
     She knew Jay and Hailey had to have had feelings for each other, sure.  What she didn’t expect was to witness a makeout session on the couch in the living room.  No, she was not expecting that at all.
     Lyla finally stopped choking, Jay and Hailey looking at her, embarrassment on their faces.
     “Well,”  Lyla chuckled nervously, clearing her throat, “This is awkward.”
     “What’s awkward?”  Will inquired from the other line.
     “Shut up Will.”  Lyla muttered, closing the door behind her.
     She made her way across the house before turning around and walking backwards.  She pointed to the stairs, “I’m gonna be in my room if you need me but uh, you guys seem pretty busy.”  
     “Lyla-”  Jay started, trailing off at the end.
     Lyla turned on her heels, running up the stairs, “Bye!”
     Jay groaned in embarrassment as Lyla shut her door, making her way to her desk as she tried to get those images out of her head.
     “What’s awkward?”  Will asked, curiosity in his voice.
     “Can you and I do something tonight?”  Lyla suggested, ignoring the question.
     “Sure.  Do you want me to see if Jay-”
     “He’s a little busy at the moment.”
     “What- what does that mean?”
     Lyla sighed dramatically, “I think I’m gonna be scarred for life.”
     “You’ll be fine.”
     Lyla chuckled, “Yeah, I totally didn’t just see my brother and his partner half naked on the couch.” 
     Will’s eyes widened as he parked his car, “Actually?!”
     “No, I’m making it up.”  Lyla replied sarcastically, “At least there’s one thing I can say.”
     Will sighed, knowing exactly what Lyla was going to say, “What are you gonna say?”
     “I told you so!”
     “Yeah yeah.  I’m outside.” 
     “Okay.  I’m going through the back though.”
     “Good idea.”
     Lyla rolled her eyes, standing up from her chair and grabbing a hoodie as she hung up the phone.  As she made her way downstairs and to the back door, she got a notification.
     She pressed it, snickering as she read the text message from Jay.
     “Don’t tell Will.”  
     “Too late.”  Lyla hit the send button, pocketing her phone as she made her way outside.
     “Finally.”  Lyla thought as she made her way to Will’s car, glad that her brother and his partner were finally more than what Jay described as ‘really good friends.’
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wafflesetc · 2 months
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First of all thank you for posting and answering so many of these asks, it does make me feel slightly better to get these feelings out and I'm sure others feel the same. I wanted to touch base on your response that Hailey's side is the only one relevant for the writers because she's the only one on the show, not Jay. That doesn't make it right for the writer's to destroy Jay's character and keep dragging his name through the mud. It seems like it's all to give Hailey/Tracy drama and trauma to act out and maybe make Hailey more sympathetic which fans did not need, our sympathy was already with her when her husband left. I understand why he left and the speech Jay made to Hailey was in character for me, but everything after, him ignoring her calls, extending without telling her, and being made aware she was kidnapped/almost killed but seemingly not reaching out is the biggest load of BS EVER/just complete character destruction. It's felt like this in the fanbase to me too, lonely as a Jay fan, feels like it's about Hailey 24/7, Jay is only mentioned as half of Upstead not his own beloved fan-favorite character. Wonder if I'm alone in that feeling?
I try my best, sometimes it's nice just go get feelings out in some manner. I sometimes let them pile up and then do a mass round of answering them, so I know it clogs people's dashboards and I feel bad about it.
I totally get what you are saying, and it isn't fair for either character. I can't speak for others, but I will say it's currently about Hailey 24/7 because she's the only one who is still on the show. In the eyes of the writing team, Hailey is the only character who they have to write a script for. Jay is off in the white space of the show, so they could more or less do whatever they want with him, because Hailey is their main focus. That is why I said Hailey's the only one who is relevant, because that is who has to be written for.
There were any number of ways to have handled the storyline for Upstead differently, without tarnishing Jay's character the way that they have.
I've always felt like Jay and Hailey were written as individuals outside of their relationship when they were both on the show. Now, we only really see Hailey's POV because she's there every week.
It's not right, but I see why the writers have done this to make it easier on themselves. It's a cheap cop out, but it's what they have done. We will see how they rectify it this season, if they do at all.
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spiridakos · 8 months
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Going of the answer you just gave in your last ask.
You know what I find funny is the fact that some burzek fans will say that s9 was the upstead show or was a fan service but I’m sitting here confused like did we watch the same season.
Cause the first half of season 9 yes has it’s good upstead moments (them getting engaged, moving in together) but other than that the first half (e4-9. You could even go as far back to say e1) is kinda filled with angst. I can guarantee that no upstead fan wanted that.
Now the second half (e10-22) was like playing hide and seek 😂 you had to sometimes really search for them in episodes.
And even with their centric episodes those were more focused on the case then it was on them as a couple and as individuals.
But then you’ll turn around an episode after and have Kim & Adam centrics back to back that focuses on them as a family and their home life. I just find it all so interesting 🤔🤷‍♀️
I...probably could type an essay here but I'm gonna try to condense my thoughts. And I don't want this to turn into a ship vs. ship thing, because I think at the end of the day that's not really the issue - it's the writing and storytelling.
I quite enjoyed the first half of season 9. It was very strong, very well written, very well strung together. Sure, it was angsty, but it's a procedural drama that's super dark and I want to see that angst and expect it - I want to see them overcome these things and be able to live and breathe for a moment before the next disaster strikes, though.
(Giving these characters a relief post-angst and trauma is another issue entirely that the show doesn't seem to comprehend for any character, but I digress.)
Season 9b....was a disaster to put it lightly. I think the Kim/Adam centric back-half was a problem absolutely - I think we should have seen Jay, Hailey & Kevin's lives thrown into the mix in this back-half. But, the biggest thing that I notice is that 9b is when things seemed to fall apart in a storytelling capacity, and that is exactly when Gwen took the helm as show-runner.
I will end this answer with saying: I hate the character central episodes and I need them to be abolished immediately.
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Hello! Some of you may have seen me around. I'm technically a nobody in this fandom on here as I like to keep to myself, but am taking a plunge and getting this off my chest now that the show's over for me. I don't see myself as a writer, but I have my own headcanons now for how I would have taken the Upstead story that I've written out and thought I'd share in case it helps other people. I've lost a lot of ships in my time! It never gets easier, you just learn new coping mechanisms. Will continue posting/reblogging content of older seasons to remember what we had. 💕
As I mentioned here in tags, events may have given them a nudge, but all their decisions were made out of love. They may have experienced trauma and their own demons that influenced their methods, but this relationship and being together was always where they wanted to be. Their relationship was never a trauma response. Immediately leaning on someone else is a trauma response.
Headcanon 1: (personal fave) Tracy leaves first half of season.
In those 6 months, Jay and Hailey were talking and were both starting to open up and connect again. We learn divorce is brought up but they choose to work through it. Hailey was therefore feeling less pain and reintegrating herself back in the team. Jay lets her know that he has an end date and he wants to come home to her if she wants him too and that he's sorry. He thought that was what he needed but now knows all he wants is a life with Hailey.
Hailey decides that she's experienced enough in Intelligence and wants to try something new and lets Voight know she's leaving and that she and Jay are good. We learn Hailey and Jay have made plans to leave Chicago as they both have too many ghosts and need a fresh chapter. (Insert casual reference/joke to starting with a very belated honeymoon/reconcilation time, perhaps in a cabin in Northern Wisconsin if that still exists, or just anywhere).
Once Hailey has left, we later learn through a team conversation in passing, that they are in Seattle (humour me!) and she has taken up a new position in a role that's closer to the cop she wants to be. And Jay is doing something quieter in a more educator/training position rather than full combat. The two are happy and now prioritising their marriage and joining their lives together.
Headcanon 2: More in line with canon with my attempt to try and make sense of it...
Hailey and Jay are now divorced. Jay could hear Hailey was in pain in those 6 months and felt obligated as the cause of it to free her from him, even though we as the audience knew it was the opposite of what Hailey wanted from him which was to just come home. Hailey's mad because it's not how she wanted things to go but doesn't actually tell Jay that, thinking she has to let him go, so now has to bear a life without the man she loves and focus on the one thing she has avoided, (according to canon) herself.
Through talking with Kim she hesitantly decides to start therapy and in the next 5/6 months, slowly starts to think about who Hailey is and what Hailey wants. She decides that she's ready to leave Intelligence and try different areas of policing. She's a "good cop" but wants to be a better one.
Then in the last 2 eps, Hailey has reached out to Jay, to let him know she's ok and hopes he is too. He's thrilled to hear it as he didn't want to reach out in case it caused her more pain and feared she hated him. She's in a better place and at this point they can talk as old friends and she tells him she has a new job and will leave soon. Jay later mentions he has an end date and that he'd love to see her if that's something she'd want. She cautiously agrees, as she knows that is in fact what she does want, and they make plans to. We learn next season through the team that they are trying again with a fresh start.
💕
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fighterkimburgess · 2 years
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Chicago PD Season 9 Speaking Time
A couple of caveats for this - everything here was done by me. I manually timed, so the times may be out by a few seconds either side. However, over the course of it all I’d hope that everything evens out.
Find below my Chicago PD Speaking Time for Season 9A (9B coming soon!). I watched each episode, timing how long each of the main characters (Voight, Hailey, Jay, Kim, Adam, Kevin, and Trudy) spoke for. Below you’ll find the information for each of the episodes, and a 9A total breakdown. A couple of things I didn’t expect are below all of the timings.
My methodology was simple - have a stopwatch, hit start when a person began speaking, hit stop when they stopped. I was generally balancing two or three at a time, based on how PD episodes work. For episodes focusing on Voight, I did him and the first two main cast members he spoke to. When I finished them I went back and found the Trudy scene(s) and timed them. Then the other three people were done.
For a member of a ship (upstead or burzek) I timed the ship together along with Voight, and then went back to Trudy. On my second full pass I did the other three people (so the other ship and Kevin). For Kevin episodes my first pass was Kevin, Voight, and whatever member of burzek he spoke to first. Second go was upstead and the other member of burzek. I did these as fairly as possible, but with so many people talking about how unbalanced episodes are, I thought this would be an interesting look at it. I’m hoping to do 9B pretty soon, depending on my health and what people think of this. But now, onto the data!
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A couple of takeaways I found interesting:
The only person who hasn’t had an episode with less than one minute speaking time is Voight.
Kim has the lowest (non-Trudy) amount of speaking time in total, but also in an episode (16 seconds in 9x01)
Just under half of Kevin’s 16 minutes comes from 9x05, with 8 minutes 11 seconds from that episode.
Adam comes in third with most speaking time, just more than a minute ahead of Hailey. His comes from having so much time in 9x06 (10 minutes 21 seconds, over two minutes higher than the second longest amount of speaking time.
Every man has an episode where they speak at least 40% of the time (Jay has two, 9x03 and 9x09), none of the women do. The closest is Hailey in 9x08 with 35% of speaking time (4 minutes 30 seconds), and Kim and Hailey both have 31% of the time in 9x02 and 9x04 respectively.
Trudy comes in dead last in speaking time with 3% of the total, 3 minutes and 35 seconds. However, in her most speaking episode (9x08), she speaks more than any combination of the two of Adam, Kevin, and Kim combined.
Kevin has the most under a minute of speaking time episodes (again outside of Trudy) with 4, Adam and Jay have 3, Kim (just about) and Hailey have two (Kim has an exactly one minute episode), Voight has none. Trudy has 8, including one episode where she doesn’t appear.
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go-to-two · 2 years
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Ugly Things - Chapter 1
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Wounds heal and memories fade, but it is hard to forget the day that changed your life forever.
Hello! This will be a quick little mini-series. It’ll be five parts, all taking place on a specific date over several years. And yes, this one is pretty much all Jay.
(if you’re only here for upstead... I get it. Come back for part 5!)
Read on AO3
EDIT: I’ve been debating on how to share this one for weeks, and these chapters are short enough that I can share them here, too. So, read on AO3 or below the cut!
Chapter 1: August 2, 2009
The valley reaches as far as Jay can see. Miles of sun-beaten hills stretch ahead of them, and miles fall behind. He raises his hand to shield his eyes briefly and take in the mountain range. There is no telling what is on the other side, but perhaps it is better than here. Anything is better than here.
“I’m telling you guys, I could hear my mother yelling through the page,” Taskett projects over the rattle of their Humvee. “The final episode had some kind of industrial explosion, or something.” He scoffs around a half-chewed mouthful of sunflower seeds, “the lady doesn’t write to me for six months, but her favorite show has a shit ending and suddenly she’s Charles Dickens or something.”
“Dickens? That’s high brow for you, T.”
“Yeah, yeah. You get what I’m saying.”
“Not sure we do,” Mouse chimes in from his seat next to Jay. They bump into each other when the Humvee lurches over an unsteady dune, but neither are phased. They have been at this for hours. Days, even. Some of them for months. Others, years.
“I’m saying we’re out here kicking sand every day while our families biggest worry back home is a bad story on a screen.”
“Isn’t that kind of the point?” Olivera rolls his eyes at the young Ranger’s naivety.
“And in defense of your mother,” Lowe interjects, “the ending of Sopranos had me more heated than any firefight I’ve ever been in.”
Olivera raises his hand immediately. “Battlestar Galactica.”
“Seinfeld,” Mouse groans.
“How about you, Halstead?” Lowe leans forward with a lurch of the vehicle. “Care to join the party here?”
“Halstead?”
“HALSTEAD.”
Jay tears his gaze from the window to find his unit all staring at him expectantly.
“Ah, so he does hear,” Taskett chirps. “Mouse, your boy can hear.”
“Praise be.”
Lowe shakes his head with amusement, drumming a rapid beat on the firearm he has propped between his legs. “Now that you’ve been so kind as to give us your attenti-”
One second. That is how long it takes for their world to collapse. It is one second of unbearable noise, crippling heat, and violence.
An IED detonates under their Humvee, and everything upends. The metal shell twists and flames rip through the air. Each Ranger is ejected. Most are gone before they even hit the sand. Those who are not gone writhe in agony on the sweltering ground until they are, or until their body can not handle it anymore, and unconsciousness is their only consolation.
Jay lies face down in the dirt. His hip is torn open from shrapnel and his left shoulder is out of place, but the trauma to his head is the worst of all. He registers the explosion for a moment, maybe less, before everything goes black. He does not wake to see the Humvee in flames or his friends scattered around him. If nothing else, he can consider himself lucky for that.
He begins to stir in sputters and groans when the helicopter looms over him, sending wind and sand whipping in his face. The cuts and burns across his body burn with the unwelcome intrusion.
The rotors of the helicopter whir loudly while the vehicle goes airborne. This is the first sound he registers- the constant whipping of metal blades above him. Jay writhes before his eyes open, and he feels steadfast hands holding him down.
“Stay still, man, we’re getting you out of here.”
He twists on his backboard, his limbs on fire. His chest aches and his head pounds. If he did not squint his eyes open just enough to see those damn mountains stretching outside the helicopter window, he might believe he was dead right now. Maybe he is. Maybe this unbearable pain is what it has felt like all along, and they have been kidding themselves thinking that death in a warzone could be a reprieve.
“Halstead, I need you to hold still.”
He knows that voice. Taskett? Lowe? Olivera? It does not fit.  
“Good, just stay calm. I got you.”
Kats.
Jay slumps back onto the back board while his friend races to quell the bleeding at his hip. His friend that bunked under him through all of basic training because no one with last names that fell alphabetically between Halstead and Katsanos were crazy enough to sign up for the life they did.
He is his friend that gave him a hard time for opting to be boots on the ground rather than joining him in aviation. Jay is grateful for Kats’ choice today, because he is the friend that stands between himself and a slow death.
“Good, man. Just breathe,” Kats squeezes his uninjured shoulder. “You’re safe. You’ll be alright, brother.”
The words spill from his mouth like a lie he can not sell. Jay could slip away in seconds, and they all know it. He feels the helicopter sway in flight towards the hospital on base in Bagram, and his vision blurs again.
This must finally be it. “Mouse?” he croaks, because he has to know one way or the other before he goes.
“We got him,” Kats nods.
Jay coughs out what should be a deep sigh of relief, and lets his head fall back. As long as Mouse lives, one of them will have made it out of this valley. The last thought that sneaks into his mind before he slips away is that at least his mother won’t be there to live with the heartbreak found on the other side of the door from two notification officers.
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Bagram is a blur when he comes to again. Every moment Jay stirs, he is blinded by the pain. His left shoulder is put back in place, and the surface scrapes littered across his body are tended to. With each nurse and doctor that steps into the room, Jay braces himself for the next wave.
His only relief comes from sedation when he is raced to surgery to stop the bleeding from his hip. It is rudimentary. Somewhere between the operating room lights fading above him until the next time his eyes squint open, he was airlifted to Landstuhl, Germany.
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“Ranger?” The call comes from the left of his usually quiet room. Jay lies in a hospital bed in the U.S. Army Regional Medical Center in Landstuhl with an IV in his arm and bandages suffocating his newly repaired hip. They see only his type here. Soldier. Officer. Lieutenant. Ranger.
“Halstead, Jay?” the call comes again. He turns his head to find a Colonel he has not seen since Kabul. A stoic commander of a man who Jay has only met once, maybe twice, but who has his respect nonetheless.
“Sir.”
“How are you feeling, Halstead?”
I have anticipated death with every surge of pain in my body for three days. “Good, sir.”
Colonel Jobe gives a tight nod with little belief. “Halstead, we-”
“Where is my unit, sir? Gerwitz, Taskett, Olivera, and Lowe.”
The look on his face tells Jay all he needs to know. The man stands from one side of Jay’s bed and walks to the other to stall delivering the news he needs to. “Gerwitz is here,” he says calmly. “He’s recovering. You’ll be able to be in touch soon.” He stops talking then, letting the silence fill in the void for the other names.
“When can I return to duty, sir?” It will not be tomorrow or next week. It may not be next month, or even next year. This is his life, though. This is what he has left. “I want to return-”
“We’re sending you home, Ranger.”
Ranger. It is so impersonal for someone who just shattered every plan Jay ever made. He knows what “home” means. The minute he is stable enough to travel, he will be on a flight to Washington D.C. An Army PEB will rule him ineligible for his job, and he will be medically discharged.
“Just focus on your recovery,” Colonel Jobe gives him one final nod, sympathy lining his eyes, and walks out of the room. Jay is left alone with his beeping machine. He has nothing, he feels nothing.
He glances over to the nurses’ board in his room, takes note of the date, and counts back three days to the day of the explosion.
August 2nd. The day his life ended.
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cpd5777 · 2 years
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I wish there had been more upstead moments this last half of the season bc I feel like the random moment we got in the finale was awkward. All the times something happened to Jay we got to see really worried hailey and Jay just didn’t live up to that in the finale lol he could have been talking to any of the team members the way he acted.
Helo! You know what, at first I felt this way too. I think it is because they literally starved us of upstead moments in 9B and we thought this one was gonna be our big worried Jay moment and it was a letdown. However the amazing @xofeno actually made me see this scene with new eyes and now I don’t feel that way.
They were in the middle of a dangerous situation. They had no idea if other danger was upon them. He had to call for help, was worried for Hailey, tell Voight what happened, prevent her from moving in her disoriented state, and reassure her, all while keeping alert for other dangers. I think he did all of that. Jay will always be a military man and his ability to do all of that at once was on display here.
I am not gonna lie do I wish we had a moment in the aftermath where he was able to be worried or comfort her? YES! I mean we did not even get him giving her a concerned glance after she was blown up and back at work. We were kind of robbed there! But as for the scene itself, I get why it went down that way.
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gregorygerwitz · 2 years
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Tell me about your pd thoughts if you'd like to share them?
I wasn't even going to share my thoughts because the only way I can make them coherent is by rewatching the s10 premiere and I... don't want to do that. I didn't actively enjoy the Voight-centric episode. shocker.
Some thoughts (not complete in any way) under the cut. Beware of spoilers. mentions of drug use because... they really decided to hurt us with that premiere, huh?
Were there parts of it I enjoyed? Yeah. But I... do not care about Voight's problems. I have never liked him as a character. When I found out he was still in charge in s9 during my binge last year, I was angry. I'm still angry. Do I understand why he's acting like this? Yeah, grief and guilt are fucking wild they'll make people do things they normally wouldn't, and the things Voight was doing in 10x01, the instances where he was actively putting his team in danger - Torres, Jay, Hailey, all of them - that isn't Voight behavior.
The lying, the secrecy, the going off on his own and acting against orders? That's pretty normal for Voight, unfortunately. I hate it, but I can't change him. At this point I genuinely don't think he can be changed, because I don't think he wants to? He's doing exactly what I predicted back in May, pushing Jay away and not letting him help, so I'll take that as a little win, personally.
My post last night about my thoughts was about Voight's continued bullshit. I'm tired of it. While some of the stuff he said about Upstead was true, it was a very cruel and unnecessary moment in the episode, honestly. I see the metaphor in him stepping in during their moment in Mouse's cage of all places and that being representative of him meddling in their marriage and their dynamic, but I think it's a stupid, contrived way to write Jesse out of the show.
Voight needs to face consequences for his actions, not get a longer leash from the higher ups. I... do not like the new chief. It's very much so going to turn into an Old Boys Club between him and Voight, and apparently we're not even going to have Jay there to balance that out, so I'm going to complain the entire time.
Um... lightning round? because some of the episode actually fed me really well?
I got to see Greg the mouse pretty early on in the episode, that was nice. I love that little guy.
Jay's little smile when picking up Torres was so cute, actually. He's grown on you, Halstead. You like him. You're gonna miss him when you leave.
Heroin/opioid cases in general always make me think about Mouse, for the obvious reasons, so I got to sit in that little bubble for an hour. That was fun for me. (+ the first half of the episode with the kid who OD'd and the parents being uncaring about it? it's not a one-to-one parallel to my Mouse backstory but I'm living off of crumbs I'll take it I love being sad and suffering)
Mom! Not enough mom but also... I got a glimpse of mom 😊
I'm gonna get hate for this but like... I don't care about Upstead? But I don't know how I feel about their relationship being dragged through the mud for the sake of a plot device. Their marriage is still fairly new? Let them breathe?
I'm also sitting here wondering how Hailey goes from feeling Like This about Voight to supposedly "confiding in him" about Jay in two episodes. Because... I think Hailey might hate Voight more than me. Which is fair. Because holy shit the stuff he's doing is awful, even by Hank Voight standards.
TLDR;; I'm really sick and tired of The Hank Voight show, and all the things he said to Jay and Hailey toward the end of the episode made me super uncomfortable. Basically threatening to fire them because of the shit that he is putting them through is giving me major s4 vibes - namely some of Voight's bullshit being the thing that pushed Mouse out the door way back when.
That being said, if Jay and Mouse's exits parallel each other? I'm going to be the most annoying person in the world. And I won't apologize for any of it. I will complain the whole time though because I'm sick and tired of Voight creating this toxic, unhealthy environment for his team and then not facing any kind of repercussion for it. Because at this point it's manipulative and controlling and I still get angry about this exact same shit in s4 at least once a week.
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justmypartner · 1 year
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i'm kind of getting the vibes; or hope I guess like you, that this could potentially be Hailey's last season too. It seems like they will be focusing a lot more on her this season (at least the first half anyway) it could be a way for them to set her up for a better-structured exit, unlike the horrible exit Jay got. Alot of people are speculating Tracy's contract is coming up for renewal or that she has already put in word that she won't be returning when her contract ends, so a more Hailey-focused season that could end with her leaving the unit (preferably with Jay coming back to go with her) to go run her own unit or something along those lines would be great. It would also give the Upstead storyline better closure.
Absolutely. All of this. Also, something that’s definitely had my brows raised is her interview in the Michigan Avenue piece. With her aspiring to get into creating content of her own (she mentions writing, producing, & possibly directing), I could see that being a reason—among other obvious ones—for her not wanting to renew her contract. Still, I’m with you. Giving her a strong focused season so that she can have a respectable exit would not only do justice to Hailey, but Tracy too. And I think you’re absolutely right about it giving upstead better closure. The longer they’re apart, the more worried I become about what the writers could do to them. But hey, who knows if the shows will even survive past this season😅 To me, the oc franchise is looking like a slowly sinking ship these days
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imjustwritingg · 11 months
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still laughing at those asks in your box thinking T & J being in different cities means they’re broken up. 🤣 apparently never heard of half a couple travelling for work/leisure without the other.
speaking of them, do you think trasse happened before upstead?
As much as those asks usually make me roll my eyes, they make me laugh too. I think Tracy and Jesse have a very healthy relationship and they always have, so them being apart or going off for trips with their friends and without each other isn’t ever really all that concerning to me. Big green flag in my book.
And yes, I do think they happened before Upstead.
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kim-ruzek · 2 years
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Comcast is trimming $1B from NBCUniversal’s budget. They may get rid of the 10pm hour to save that money.
This just doesn’t look good optics wise that Jesse is apparently leaving of his own volition (when his statement is basically the same as Kelli’s (even though it’s a different show), who got fired over money). 2 leads being let go in a week? Yeah, that’s a problem.
Jay is a fan favorite character. Upstead is a fan favorite ship. Jesse leaving will not be good for the show. Fire got really bad after Jesse Spencer left direction wise.
All of One Chicago is up for renewal after this year, and considering NBC might can the 10pm hour to save the money, PD would be on the axing block. Coupled with Jesse leaving and lord knows who else is next since they’re trimming $1B, it’s a good time to cancel the show.
Please stop being insensitive to those with other viewpoints. You’re getting your Burzek content. Meanwhile, Upstead won’t have any content after Jesse leaves. But yet you can’t see why people are upset?
It’s rude to show excitement when so many people are upset.
Okay so I stand corrected. Apparently people *will* come into your inbox and call you insensitive to your face.
I literally thought that maybe you just got rage activated because emotions are running high and maybe you didn't understand the spirit of what I'm saying, but then I came to the last sentence and no, you're literally saying it's rude of me (and others) to show excitement for a well anticipated season just because others are upset.
Let's break this down. I can and do see why people are upset. I'm not disputing that, nor am I saying that people don't have the right to be upset. People can and I expect them too. And I get it-- not only because I'm sympathetic, or only because I've been in these situations far more times than I'd like, but literally because I'm equally as devastated over Rollins leaving and what that means for Rollisi as well when I've waited years for them only for Kelli to get fired by people just focused on money.
But what people don't have the right to is to tell others that their excitement is rude and that we should shove down our excitement just because others are currently upset. Like people watch shows for different reasons, people get different things out of the same show, so while now cpd may just be upsetting you, it's still exciting me, even though this news is sad. And just like it's your right to be upset at Jesse leaving, it's my right to still be excited for a season that I've been anticipating for months now.
I really take offense at you saying I'm being insensitive to other viewpoints because I'm really really not. I'm not telling people that they can't grieve Jesse leaving, or that they can't stop watching the show or forcing them to be excited for a season that their reason for being excited for it has been taken away-- I'm merely just saying that others can still be excited and that we shouldn't be made to feel bad for expressing that? And I mean to like minded others, not going into other fans inboxes when they're not.
I also very much take offense at it because honestly? If it was one half of burzek leaving I wouldn't expect people to stop being excited if they love upstead, and nor do I think they'd be very sensitive to my pain. And do you know why? Because of messages like these and plenty of others I have received in my time. I've made it no secret that cpd has recently very much depressed me and critized jay/hailey/upstead, and do you know what? People weren't very sensitive to my viewpoints then, literally telling me to get over it and similar sentiments. Literally coming into my inbox, when I've made it very clear I was upset, and being insensitive. I however haven't gone into a single persons inbox, so tell me how I'm insensitive?
And by the way, I could be actually ruder. There are some petty petty things that's in my mind that I could say, but I'm not going to because that is actually rude and insensitive. All I decided to make a post about was how it wasn't very good that everyone's response seemingly was to say well let's just go ahead and say cancel it because clearly there's no point to the show anymore, despite the very talented actors still remaining and the fact the show is an ensemble show-- it has point beyond just one character, and one ship. I didn't even go into how infuriating it is to see those comments, especially knowing that why some people may not see the rest of the characters as worth it is because the stupid fucking writing has had upstead eclipsing a whole lot of the good. The remaining actors can very much uphold the show, Jesse is not the only talented actor. (And imho while outside cpd I think he scores higher than most, in cpd I don't think he's the most talented actor so yknow. Like for example out of upstead, I much prefer Tracy's acting).
And also yes, I know the budget has been trimmed and I know the 10pm slot is possibly getting axed. I know oc is up for renewal and I absolutely know there's a chance that it won't get renewed. I'm very much aware and it very much gives me anxiety, because I don't want it too and upon hearing Jesse leaving, it did make me more nervous for the future because I'm not naïve, I know this could endanger it's renewal, if Jesse leaving isn't already a strategic move because they know they're not being renewed/that DW has decided he doesn't want it to be.
But still that doesn't mean people should be saying well better just cancel it because it's not worth renewing when it absolutely is.
Also unless I know differently, I also err on the side that the actor chose to leave. It's better for my heart that way, and also because announcements can sound so fishy sometimes even when there's generally nothing fishy about it, or being a choice but because of background stuff (like SB) and so people can get themselves in such a twist over something which is innocent. It is very similar to Kelli's and I wouldn't be surprised if there's more to this, but until there's confirmation like with Kelli, I go with that he chose to leave. It seems like most people likes going for firing as their default, but to me that just seems like inviting too much stress into your life over something that may never be confirmed. So the optics of it really doesn't factor in for me when making my post because it could come after dick wolf just laid of 20 actors, I will go with what has been confirmed.
And you saying fire got bad after JS left like it wasn't already heading that way (the joke that was s9!), it just happens to be that he left while it was already heading downhill, but maybe was more noticeable because we didn't have that sparkling Casey/Severide dynamic to distract from the mess it was becoming.
Anyway thank you for this ask! It reminded me that I may be struggling in life rn but at least I still have common sense and rationality left ✌🏽
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What about all the other times Qwrn has lied like having Upstead moments in 9B?
Look whether people want to admit it or not there were Upstead moments in 9B. There just were.
Were they as in depth as we wanted? No. Not all of them.
Were there some missed opportunities? In my opinion yes (looking specifically at you 9x13). But I also understood the writing choices there (looking at Hailey and Jay as individuals not just a ship).
So there was no was no lie, we had Upstead moments in a half of the season we knew, because we were told, was not going to focus on them. From pretty much the jump we got told 9a was going to be a Voight/Hailey/Jay focus, while 9b would focus on Kim/Adam/Kevin. Hell I would consider the Kevin part more of a lie, dude got shafted!
Grow up and realize that your expectations not measuring up to what you got doesn’t mean you were lied to.
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wafflesetc · 4 months
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Genuinely bamboozled as to why and how allllllll the other OC ships are able to get a happy ending together or leave the show with a good ending for the other half of the ship except upstead. After the main OC account changed their account to stellaride and the promo which seems to include a new clip of them together im just so frustrated that Jesse and Tracy get left with the worst storyline for their show. And it’s all stemming from the show runner who gave some of the best scenes to them yet single-handedly ripped them away. I get it’s a drama but come on there were a million other ways Jesse could have left and the drama could have continued, it is a show revolving a team not just two people but proving my point Jesse and Tracy/ Hailey and Jay being in the viewers but no let’s rip them apart in the most mind boggling out of character way possible for funsies
Totally and completely not fair to Jesse and Tracy and the hard work and effort they put into making their relationship come to life as well as the fans who tune into the show to watch their story unfold.
Sorry for the rant but at this point it is just completely unfair how the so called yacht of PD is being dismantled for no good reason at all. Holding onto Jesse’s trust the process and Tracy’s doll pic wording and her hashtag for dear life because I refuse to believe this is how their story ends
Your frustration is felt, I think many Upstead fans feel the same way. I really wish things had gone down differently and handled very differently. I always say I'd love to have an interview with Gwen, one where real questions could be asked and answered. I'd love to pick apart her and some of the writer's minds on how they made the creative decisions they made and why. I'd also love to hear what J and T have to say about it, but they are too professional and respect the cast and crew too much to probably say anything that would paint it in a negative light (which is completely understandable.)
And this is good timing because we got another photo of mini Halstead and maaaaaan, I am *trusting the process* because Tracy is REALLY getting into it.
All aboard the delulu train!
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