#They don't mean to be abusive but they are. Like in canon.

[blujayonthewing]

thinkin again about the time elyss's DM cut in to stop a conversation between her and a semi-retired player character to hurriedly take back control of him as an NPC before he could give her, as an extremely kind and thoughtful gift, one of his own personal belongings, and then said 'elyss can probably buy it from him though :)' instead

like. what an egregiously fucking shitty thing to do, actually.

#I think we were caught SO offguard that neither of us was able to articulate a good resistance although we both tried #eldryn's player: ...I mean... he WAS going to just give it to her #DM: haha well I don't wanna just give you guys too much stuff [???] #me: I mean-- you JUST gave us like? ten thousand gold and a castle that we didn't even ask for ......? #I HAVE the money [2000g????] and I don't actually care about losing it but.............??? #DM: yeah so I just feel like I've already given you guys a lot lately #WHAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN SAID WAS: THAT WAS A GIFT BETWEEN CHARACTERS NOT 'THE DM GIVING US TOO MUCH'. #WHAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN SAID WAS 'YOU ARE CHANGING A KIND GESTURE FROM A GOODHEARTED MAN INTO A CRAVEN EXPLOITATION OF ELYSS FOR MONEY.' #WHAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN SAID WAS 'TAKING OVER A PLAYER CHARACTER IN THE MIDDLE OF A CONVERSATION BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT ELYSS TO HAVE A THING #'IS AN ABUSE OF DM POWER AND AN EGREGIOUS BREACH OF DM/ PLAYER TRUST.' #WHAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN SAID WAS 'WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU HAVE AGAINST ELYSS AND/OR ME PERSONALLY.' #and like. the actual consequences are so small. we were in a between-arcs timeskip we had BBEG Treasure Hoard money #Elyss loses 2000g and doesn't even miss it. Eldryn being a good friend IS canon and the DM can suck my dick about it #but on principle. on principle the fact that he did that. that is so incredibly shitty. you don't see that? #and for what? over an arbitrary price tag that I could afford without even missing it anyway? #over a magic item that's more psychological security blanket than anything particularly overpowered? #over powerplay dick waving over who REALLY gets to control Eldryn now that he's technically been retired as a PC? #what?? what is the reason??? ALL it accomplished was a fucking character assassination of a sweetheart character #which I think we've all privately decided didn't actually happen anyway because it's stupid and terrible and not fair of DM to Just Decide #and my already pretty flimsy trust in my friend as a DM sinking to unforeseen new lows #god. god. #about me #my OCs #elyss

[darkfires]

you guys just don't know how to write angst anymore. putting people who say they like "toxic yaoi" in my dni cause they have no idea how to actually write toxicity

#I feel like a lot of this toxic blah blah stuff is fancy internet lingo to avoid accusations that you just enjoy abusive dynamics #without actually developing them or doing anything interesting. like if you're gonna say you love toxicity and codependency #and then just make fluff and smut about it without actually taking the time to explore and deconstruct it #then you're romanticizing it. are you not? #especially when the pairing in question has had extremely negative (beyond the scope of basic enemies to lovers) encounters in canon #just because you're using cutesy tumblr.com lingo doesn't mean you're absolved of actual development #and I'm saying this as someone who really likes this kind of trope because it gives room for monumental character exploration #and as a victim of abuse myself. I'm not saying write an essay I'm just saying why hype up how toxic and shitty they are for each other #just to turn it into fluff/a meme. like the actual negative parts of the dynamic don't matter? I though you guys condemned romanticization. #it's genuinely fascinating how the internet will deem one pairing abusive and bad but another with the same dynamic is just toxic yaoi? #I'm not sure where the line is drawn but you can't have your cake and eat it too. #and if you're going to try tackling a dynamic that's heavily abusive (“toxic”) then you can at least try to #justify it in a way that isn't just 'um well funny fandom meme ☝️' #you just want to skip all the development and get straight to the gushy parts? fine. not saying you can't. I can't tell you what to do. #but it does massively cheapen the dynamic and make it seem like you don't actually care about the characters you just want to ship somethin #I HATE CANON X CANON!! #slash nobody here #decrees

[fiapple]

for such a small fandom, the moral orel community really does have a huge fucking problem with woobification of the adult cast.

it's gross.

#this isn't about liking characters this is however about using that as an excuse to pretend they are not horrible people. #like literally the only decent adult in moralton is stephanie- others may have their moments but overall? just her. #& that's thematically fucking important! like the fact that the only good person in a town suffocated by it's own rigid adherence to WASP #social norms is a visually non-conforming lesbian? yeah that kinda fucking means something! that was a pointed writing choice! #also before anyone mentions officer papermouth hes a cop. moreover he's a cop in a town where several characters are canonically racist. #& its a town where people are known to mostly hold the same views on social issues due to the aforementioned strict adherence to WASP norms #do not “officer papermouth seems like a good guy.” me i will chuck your kneecaps into a river. #but enough with the uwu cutesy headcanons about characters who are canonically racist/homophobic/abusive/misogynistic! #enough with the blaming literally every character except your personal favourite for the climate of the town! #enough with blaming only one parent for the puppington family dynamic! #enough with acting like characters don't have faults because you happen to find a clay figurine unreasonably attractive! #you're missing the fucking point! #enough enough enough enough! learn how to actually analyze & interact with the media you consume please! #moral orel #also: #proshippers dni #you lot are the worst of the fucking bunch & your approach to media as a group is horrific. fuck off.

[usernamesuggestionsarefunny]

“Fanon enjoyers don't like canon, they only like watered-down, bastardized, and

Woobified characters and headcanons that are safer and sanitized” - some comment I read

#fanon #pro fanon #pro fandom #anti canon #even #or more like ‘canon is already perfect for you so what are you even doing here’ #go enjoy your tough characters nothing bad ever happens to #or when it does it is never addressed and/or nobody helps them/is brushed off by the narrative because obviously plot needs to happen #go enjoy your cast of characters that all hate each other #also ‘safer’ and ‘sanitized’ to describe fanon #lol #lmao even #As if most canons weren't safer and more sanitized than the fanon and their weird and gritty headcanons #like if a dad is mean in canon he is overall abusive in fanon #that is a fanon law #Draco in leather pants is a thing #Bo Hoo you were traumatized by Draco in leather pants and now you don't like fanon #go back to canon or write or commission your own canon-based fics then #like go enjoy your stoic character they just bore me #perhaps the reason there is so much woobification is that most canon characters are stoic and fan on fill the gaps of what is missing? #for some to find the characters appealing? #appealing and relatable? #have you thought of that? #also ‘watered down’ just means with more feelings or more relatable for female audiences admit it #or more archetypal because the full characterization is often hard for amateur writers and that doesn't necessarily mean they are #‘watering down’ characters on purpose #anyway the point of my rant in the tags is that fanon is supply and demand #it gives fans what they WANT in the story or characters even if it is OOC but is MISSING from the canon #otherwise it wouldn't be needed duh #anti canon purists

[bluehairperson]

I don’t want to start drama but I’ve seen some concerning posts floating around about how distasteful and disappointing it is to see certain creators “support” Dorian and I hate to break it to you guys, but if you’ve ever interacted, shared or created anything regarding The Arcana you are supporting Dorian yourselves.

Being in the fandom alone is supporting Dorian by creating engagement, publicizing the game and being part of the audience they’re trying to target.

And even if you were to delete your whole blog and everything you’ve ever posted to enjoy the original game in private you would still be supporting Dorian by bringing traffic to the app they now own.

The one and only way you have to stop supporting Dorian, if you care about it so much, would be to distance yourself from the series entirely and go join another fandom. Never play the original game ever again and never interact with any fan creation regarding it from now on. 👋

#you're basically saying you dislike people supporting the company by working with it #while you yourself are supporting the company but indirectly by giving visibility to their brand #let's be coherent please #I personally don't care about dorian just like I never cared about nix hydra #but I still like the game so I'm gonna cherry pick whatever I want #and full offence but between this and continuous character and ship discourse you guys are unsufferable lol #you're murdering the fandom from the inside by being toxic af and finding the most bullshit excuses to attack artists for shit #that doesn't matter and then you turn around and whine and wonder why the fandom is dying and no one is posting anything new anymore #like MMMMMMMMMNHHHHHHH 🤔🤔🤔 #it's a mystery I wonder why #mentioning this because I also saw some discourse about dorian being awful for supporting quote unquote tOxIc and aBuSiVe ships 😨😨😨😨 #with the most basic and vanilla couple I've ever seen here #like nix hydra was never great either but I've never ever seen posts claiming that if you support them you must be an awful person #what changed exactly? #it sounds to me that you guys are just really bitter that the new quote unquote canon content is... not super good so you're trying to #vent your frustration in any way you can #which means attacking independent artists who use the platform because it's easier to reach and demolish them rather than the company itself #I log on here to recharge after a day of work and all I see is people acting like twelve year olds trying to be mean like bruh #it's literally the hom3stuck 2 fandom situation I called it #tagging this as discourse so you can blacklist it if you don't wanna be annoyed #discourse #the arcana #dorian era #not art

[katyspersonal]

3 for Aldrich, Aldia, Willem & Laurence

9 for Maria

11 for Micolash & Aldrich

24 for Laurence

(Asks from this ( x ) meme)

3) What first drew you to this character?

As for Aldrich, I vaguely recall finding out that he checks the traits I like the most? He was one of the characters I've learned about through fandom and not on my own, and I think this ancient meme about summarises it:

Also:

@val-of-the-north SHUDDUP you're basically so horny for Laurence/Logarius/Snatchers that you can't even picture them in your mind in any way but being naked!!!!!!! *casts the stone back at u*

With Laurence, like with Mico, it was the very first glance at the character in Youtube compilation with boss themes and concept art image. I did not know the lore yet, but the design and the music made me imagine Laurence as sort of aged, sagely librarian. I could not imagine back then that his boss fight would be him being a "helpless abhorrent little mewmew" as kids call it! Heck, I thought he'd have dialogue despite the monster form x) In a way, my first impression was not wrong, with the cut content of him actually talking even in a beast form, and implication of him being a son of Cainhurst cut content librarian NPC! I have intuition for cut content before having information, hahaha!

I have nothing to say about Willem. It might be a memory gap thing, but I swear at some point I feel I was turned off and then booted back up with liking this character already installed in my system x) As for Aldia.... ugh for fuck's sake... yeah, it was this legend:

I was absolutely floored by this stupid vid even without knowing any context, but I also instantly liked this character. I didn't even know his name yet, but the voice acting and long yapping about philosophy already pulled me in XD (Also unironically, this video is precisely how I give relationship advice fhfhdds)

9) Does this character remind you of anyone you know? Does that affect how you see them?

Yeah, I know this person. I know them very well. I know them more than anyone else. Someone who was misguided (by their destructive influence mentor figure, by their own foolishness and past history, or combination of both, who can tell anymore?) into committing awful things, then despaired over their sins and attempted redemption but also failed in some way? This person is me. At some point I've found myself in front of horrible truth about my past life and personality, and knew I was guilty and sullied forever. That it was over for me as a human being, but that didn't matter, and I could only keep people safe by locking myself away and trying to serve something better.

......annnnd it took a few years of more informed people to (metaphorically) shake me and slap my face into lucidity, explaining to me that I've fallen for the "BPD demonization" that was going far beyond than my individual failure as a friend, and we are always accused of abuse and causing irreversible harm when the worst we do is being emotionally overbearing. I kept losing trust to those friends, telling them that they were enablers who tried to gaslight me into thinking I was not 'that much of a monster', until it was other people with BPD who 'shook me and slapped my face into lucidity'. xd Nonetheless, even though now I know the truth about how society treats BPDs, I remember the feeling of being so monstrous and harmful that I was not even allowed to "touch" people with my dirty hands, how my reality used to be. So, I could write Maria going through this effortlessly, especially considering what she did was more plain and tangible!

In fact... thank you for asking me about this, because I kept wondering why I had such frequent dreams about being Maria, and why the Maria in my dreams acts like abused child that took back control against Gehrman despite my portrayal of the guy being so different. And now the puzzle is solved! That part of me still lives inside, it seems.

11) How did you “fall in love” with this character?

Already answered this for Micolash here: ( x )! As for Aldrich, it was through properly analysing the bigger picture and context of his actions. I've figured that his madness was, in fact, being informed on what was far too ahead of everyone else around him! He, like the rest of the cast, is trapped in the rotting, doomed world in which the only choices are 1) "die with dignity" or 2) commit something unthinkable from moral standpoint for a chance to escape. And will morality of the rotting world will matter in the new world anyways? Won't it all be left behind and be forgiven?

The guy also tried to take everyone else he could with him, like sort of a fucked up Noah's Arc! I can tell that they reused the concept with Rykard, at least, I am glad they know what works xD I'd say that the sadism he experienced upon eating people was either result of insanity (he understood a thing no one should understand), or still didn't exclude the bigger purpose (egotistically revelling in how holy he is helping everyone and doing what no one else dared, which would be like my Laurence). In any case, I have the strongest respect to the courage it takes to transcend the bonds of morality and compassion in order to to greater good. Being burdened with the knowledge of how the world really works, and choosing to push through instead of still being bound... This is why I also like Fauxsefka; learning how this world works, she chose to turn people into Kin so they can't ever become beasts. I am weak for this trope, you don't understand.

24) Do you ever dream about this character? If so, describe a dream you once had about them.

Laurence appears in my dreams only in two contexts: 1) Micolaurence or 2) dreams about finding secret files in Bloodborne that reveal his canonical appearance before beasthood! I can tell the latter comes from my everlasting unsatisfaction with my design for him, because I love it but it doesn't feel "fitting" and I can't identify why!

The former, I think, fandom rubbing onto me x) In two of these dreams, I was Laurence. In other two, I was Micolash. In one of Laurence dreams it was mutual, in the second one I was in love unrequited. In one of Micolash dreams, it was mutual, and in another it was not.. Basically, my dreams allows me to experience this ship from every possible angle. o_o Waiting for more I guess fhhdfsfd

______________

Thank you for asking! And.. without exaggeration, you've just done quite a psychological work on me by just asking the right thing. I need to think about that, hahaha

#bloodborne #dark souls 3 #aldrich devourer of gods #laurence the first vicar #soulsborne #ask replies #personal #memories #dreams #honestly I remember Maria in my dreams hiding in the closet like an abused bullied child.. that big strong woman reduced to this #and I finally know why it was this way #I'd rather not sully Gehrman with something as dirty as my stepdad of course he deserves so much more and he is his own man #I just don't like the approach of turning characters with their own stories and personality into vessels for my trauma #it feels like frenzied flame: you got infected by it and you have unending need to spread it. to scorch the world in your pain. #I don't think this approach would help my healing but instead make me feel worse by nourishing the trauma #I am keeping it sealed away from the world forever now </3 #see this is why it hurts me so much when gehrman haters accuse me of being insensitive to people that want to project their negative- #-experiences with men and misogyny onto him even if that means twisting the actual story and character. I do have a reason to do it myself #I just choose not to because I personally dislike the idea of making fandomry about myself more and about source material less #I don't want to bring the pain and horrors inside me into something that doesn't have them. some things can stay clean! #the passive aggression between canon worshippers and fanon enforcers is something that cannot be avoided in the fandoms #and I disapprove of the lie about 100% peace and mutual respect between the 'camps'. we will never FULLY like each other #each thinks their approach is more productive for the community. and that's fine!

[grison-in-space]

Also if you think the angel Aziraphale has ever heard the song "Take Me to Church" without being consumed by enormous, contradictory, and incompatible feelings you have another think coming let me tell you that. Not sure he can figure out what they are, mind, but there are definitely little gears turning away in there.

#good omens #no spoilers I'm just punch drunk and making wild connections tonight #something something something the song exists in a tradition of queer defiance of spiritual abuse #that is very much in keeping with the best of Good Omens fandom #which hey pulling things full circle was my very first queer fandom #and therefore while the canon particularly the book is very important to me #I'm equally and maybe more indebted to the fandom #which showed me how to be an adult as well as how to be queer #as I can see happening again in the modern version #PARTICULARLY THOSE BITS OF IT THAT AREN'T TOTALLY FIXATED ON WHAT EXACT FORM QUEERNESS TAKES #because holy hell you dipshit kids I'm out here sketching out what that video and those lyrics meant to me and I'm *asexual* #and yet still I find great meaning in stories about transcendent experience of queer sex despite being totally uninterested in sex itself #because queerness is a broader experience than amatonormative expression of sex for the sake of fuck #and I therefore resonate with lots of very queer stories that don't look completely like mine #blah blah blah human condition. fuck!

[irregularbillcipher]

honestly i'm not even opposed to the idea that birdie was a messy father. like i generally see him as a very loving and decent dad with the best intentions but even i have some thoughts about parenting flaws and fuck ups he probably had and how his parenting might have impacted the boys from the limited stuff we know about his general personality and his life situation pre-flash. like yeah i think he had the best intentions, but i also think there were probably things that were harder on the hall boys than they had to be, wrt joey's disability, jimmy's mental illness and their mom not being around, because birdie didn't handle them correctly. it's just that blaming alcohol for any parenting issues he may have had with jimmy and joey is literally and canonically incorrect

#like obviously this is exacerbated heavily from him being boozed up constantly but birdie pretty clearly blames himself for things #and is VOCAL about things like worry and grief #so i can so easily see joey and jimmy being nervoud to approach birdie when joey can tell his health is going sour #or when jimmy knows he's starting to be in a really bad place mentally #and it's not because birdie is abusive or they're afraid of him or anything! they know he'd care and wouldn't be mad at them #but they're kids who care about their dad and whenever they're in a bad spot dad just Worries So Much and isn't good at hiding it #so they let things fester longer than is healthy because well. we don't wanna make dad sad :/ #we don't wanna worry him more than he already worries... #like i do not think birdie was a perfect dad and his (well meaning) reactions to things probably were rough on the boys #i even have a few thoughts about him potentially being So Worried For His Boys that he had to like #step out of the room for doctor's appointments or break down when his kids really needed him to hold it together #i truly and genuinely believe that he just like... fucked up a lot even though he had good intentions #and that it did impact his kids even though birdie was a pretty Normal Dad who really loved his kids and had kids who loved him #it's just that like. alcohol genuinely canonically did not play a role and birdie seemed to care about his children deeply

[neekrobite]

Bro your OCs are around 30???? 21 is YOUNG to you? You’re OLD!

ite so canon ages for my characters

trix is 36, she can shift between being a zoroark and zorau at will, she seems pretty average age tbh

puzzles is 34, shes friends with trix

sap and necco are both 21, despite me being 18, and them both being fursonas and yea they are young i think personally

swift is 24, also pretty young tbh

cals is my second youngest character who is 20

honeydew is freaking 64, they are also, in fact, a parent

neekrobite is 18, he's just my age lmao i just up it everytime its my birthday, probably gonna do the same with the plus 3 years too for necco and sap tbh

and litchG is fucking 223 shes an old ass bitch

oh yea also blanks like 2 years old canonically because it is just a living drawing lmao

#and even then im making another new character who's gonna be 928 years old so fuck you #deadass i make age approiate characters instead of all 18 year olds #i have diversity #of all types #age gender species it's all diverse #well pretty diverse i think since swift is non binary but like everyone else is cis #well i guess honeydew uses they/them pronouns along with herm pronouns (don't look up herm just know it means shi/hir basically) #fuck i even have them be living completely different lives instead of all adventure or sci fi #and they are all canonically in the same realm (different universes but can see each other by travel) #but like puzzles lives quite nice life and is genuinely rich #while litchG is someone who's been abused violently by capitalism and has 14 bucks to her name #sap is a feral fennec who lives in a forest and makes potions for free for people and swift lives in the same forest as her #swift just hunts food in the wild #they are all different they are so different they have so much unspoken lore you wouldn't believe

[angorwhosebabyisthis]

looking at the goodreads reviews for five's legacy while trying to decide whether to try the audiobooks was a Mistake, because i forgot that 99% of them were from 2014 fandom and therefore unbridled rabid hatred lmfao

reviews: i don't care if they try to make him sympathetic, he's an unlikable spoiled brat!!

me, staring at the kid who literally thought homelessness was a luxury because he could steal food, clothes, and pocket change to watch movies without having all of it systematically taken away from him by someone who controls his entire life; destroyed every one of his drawings for years so he could have them at all for a minute before he did, because if he kept them they'd be Belongings; was eventually found out anyway, and monitored constantly afterward to keep him from doing even that; and still destroys them out of habit years after escaping: ah yes. much brat. very spoil

#lorien legacies #LL number five #LL tag #the salt files #abuse cw #homelessness cw #when i say have zero patience for five hate; including love-to-hate; this is why lmfao #the entire fandom was a wall-to-wall tidal wave of mindless; horrific cruelty for years #with at best the occasional 'well i mean he is kind of sympathetic and i feel a little bad for him BUT HE'S STILL AN EVIL BITCH I HATE HIM' #it was really truly fcking awful; especially as someone he resonated with in some raw; painful; and deeply personal ways #and except for unpacking the text itself i just have no interest in seeing or having it anywhere near me ever again #don't even get me started on the constant graphic gory public fantasies about maiming; torturing; and killing him #often explicitly naming him being fat as a factor #that would get like tons of notes lmao #It Was Very Bad Squirtle #and why i take spiteful satisfaction in being able to loudly and unabashedly hate canon!nine in my own space now lol #It is My Turn to Go Ape Shitt #anyway. i have a lot of thoughts about how even the most paranoid and uncharitable of five's assumptions about the other garde #stem from him desperately wishing they would come and rescue him from his abusive home; and after years of isolation #and dashed hopes he ended up coming to the conclusion that they don't care because they think he is worthless #in exactly the ways that rey has tried to make him so #i hurt squirtle #fatphobia cw

[mudstoneabyss]

sorry now I'm remembering all the many bad Charles takes I've seen. think my favorites the person who claimed Charles must just be manipulating and using Kevin because Kevin's all scary and scarred and injured no one would ever actually be attracted to him. ableism aside, girl I thought you liked Kevin

#it goes with i think the people who woobify Kevin don't actually want Kevin to grow or heal or anything theyre addicted to making him #miserable #which yeah sure whatever i like angst. but to try and reduce everything about him to he's so sad all the time always even if it contradicts #canon #then act like it is canon? 😭 #anyway my second favorite ones the well his teeth are described to be like a piano and they meant theyre straight and white #but what if he has some bad teeth actually what if he doesnt actually have perfect teeth. this somehow means he's evil #goes hand in hand with the oh his cars beat up that implies hes abusive thats what beat up and broken cars meme #both under the umbrella of ''how are you being classist about a fictional character'' #joyousposting #the teeth one would be my number one because its so stupid if it werent for the #i Love Kevin i want him to be protect and have good things!! [proceeds to emphasize how unlovable he is]

[essenceofarda]

a little rant

(tw for (fictional) parental abuse mention)

I think, (book) Faramir can still have daddy issues WITHOUT (book) Denethor having been an abusive father. Book Denethor wasn't a terrible person. A Professional Pessimist by the end, maybe, and certainly very flawed, and definitely unhealthfully grieving his other son, and made some, uh, mistakes at the end there, but I personally wouldn't go so far as to say he was abusive like PJ's films portrayed him.

However!! This doesn't mean portraying Faramir has having some daddy issues in fanworks is anti-book-denethor. How many of us have daddy issues without having had abusive father figures?? Like, the two aren't mutually exclusive. You can have a loving relationship with your parent figure and it not be perfect and not *entirely* healthy in every way and you can still struggle with it.

idk what the point of this post was except I think PJ exaggerated Denethor into being too abusive but I also think it's okay for fans (especially fans WITH their own "daddy issues" or similar), to resonate with Faramir having "Daddy Issues" and maybe/probably having worries about being a father himself or whatever.

I guess what I'm saying is these things are not entirely black and white and you don't need to have been abused to have some issues with your parents? You can truly love your parent and vice versa but recognize that not all things are perfect and could have been better etc

#tolkien #lord of the rings #Lotr #funky's personal tag #I also am just fond of 'faramir worries about fatherhood' tropes and I don't like that fans that like that trope #often for personal reasons #are written off as 'mis-reading the original text' #Like i think it's pretty clear in book canon that Faramir has daddy issues #it just doesn't have to mean that Denethor was straight up abusive?? #tw abuse mention #kinda.. i mean as a concept not as an actual example but just in case #delete later probably #like i have daddy issues for SURE. But my dad was a very great. supportive father who always supported my dreams and me #but he also messed up in other ways and wasn't always perfect (and who is?) #but he wasn't abusive. Doesn't mean my daddy issues aren't real and valid

[gas-stxtion]

//anyway. happy father's day! the only muse i have here who has a good relationship with her father is rosa.

jack's father was horrifically physically abusive to him from a very young age, to an almost comical degree at times. (e.g. breaking jack's leg and then making him take himself to the hospital). also, jack's dad was a white nationalist too. regardless, he's no longer in jack's life, and jack doesn't know where he is now.

spencer's dad was similarly abusive and tried to kill him multiple times, culminating in spencer killing him before leaving home at 18. (and to be fair, his mom also falls under this, even if she didn't contribute directly to the most severe abuse.)

jerry hasn't spoken to either of his parents in well over 10 years and is perfectly happy doing so. if neither of his parents find him again, he'll be fine.

tony and his dad were pretty close, but his dad died when he was very young and tony never fully processed it. to this day, he idolizes his father quite a bit, contributing to his often very negative perception of himself for not *living up* to the man's legacy.

amelia never knew her father, and as far as she's concerned his lack of a presence in her life is a non-issue. he made his choice, and if he ever attempts to connect with her, she isn't going to accept.

and theeen

rosa and her dad have had their ups and downs, but for the most part they're very close and she calls him every weekend to tell him how she's doing. he took some time to adjust to her being trans, but overall he's ecstatic to spoil his daughter.

#you know this whole thing is one big experiment‚ right? and you're the little mouse? {ooc} #as far as jobs go‚ it's not the best‚ but it's not the worst either {headcanons} #//not gonna do everyone's character tags here i don't think #abuse cw #father's day cw #ask to tag #//and as for my other three active muses. uh. huh. none of them have good relationships w/ their dads either #//lot to unpack there but we're not going to #//also yeah i know i used to kinda enjoy the hc that jack could very well be biracial #//and i do think there may be something to that and i still think it's a fun idea #//but his dad being a white nationalist does significantly complicate that #//and i'll be real with y'all idk if that's something i personally feel qualified trying to tackle #//edit: also i assume this goes without saying but me saying jack's abuse is almost comical at times is not saying child abuse is comical #//i just mean that like. the anecdotes he shares are almost comical in HOW bad they are #//like jack's dad comes off in canon like a cartoonish depiction of an abuser #//which is why i do firmly believe jack is just not telling the whole story #//because that aligns very well with him as a character

[pyriteplates]

Tbd?

#having so so many au thoughts but i get so nervous talking about it #bc it deals with a lot of different themes of abuse #one thing about me is that i will make guys abuse each other #but i know a lot of people are really uncomfortable with those kinds of stories and thats okay! #and also its like. wowwww they are frogs why are you doing all that its not that serious #but god its fun 😵‍💫 #its always been fucked up in this way but i don't think ive ever really gone into specifics with anyone #i never even write it down because its like. idk i cant admit to myself that I want to make an actually interesting story 🙄 #so i always write and tell people an extremely watered down version #i did make some new additions recently tho! #i didnt necessarily change things like i said I was #i mean I changed some character motivations #which is a pretty important thing #but i didnt change many plot points #aaaaggh idk. JUST LET ME MAKE MY IMAGINARY AUDIENCE UNCOMFORTABLE IN PEACE #like yes yes whatever we all get redemption arcs and happy endings #but pre canon is my fucking playground #au #i think if u look at the lyrics in my au playlist u can probably get some ideas about the whole thing LOLL

[mechieonu]

i'm genuinely wondering what, if any, the plan was for william and baby/elizabeth's relationship

#bc i was reading the tfc graphic novel #its the bit where she says 'he worked on her all day. the animatronic with orange pigtails. i wanted to BE her' #and i mean! i CAN get behind the emotional turmoil in wanting the love a parent you never got #so babyliz's anger when jess reminded her that afton loves no one was nice to see #bc its a byproduct of her stubbornly resisting an unbearable truth #but then nothing quite...HAPPENS after? #you would think the whole point of setting that response up would be for the crash-and-burn of her realizing the truth #but then that doesn't happen and will & babyliz continue w whatever the fuck they're doing #what conks me over the head with a metal crowbar is how baby's narrative relation to william never fucking ends #bc here comes security breach and you've got her human likeness who's still in servitude to afton #and vanessa could be as impactful as they could've written her but she'll consistently be seen as elizabeth 2.0 #idk man on one hand i don't mind the different pathways an abused child could take #and on the other i wish she'd had her own arc the way michael did (???) #fnaf makes me feel a lot of conflicting feelings #please don't take this as constructive well thought criticism i have barely read tfcgn #i'm going off of what i remember from fnaf canon #nonsensical tag rant over #fnaf

[trans-leek-cookie]

Hm I'm not putting this in yhe main tags bc. Yeah but I'm blocking ppl who call the step mother hot

#Like ok she kills people and is rebelling or whatever. She abused 2 children. One if whom we saw be abused physically and mentally in CANON #BEFORE NOW! YOU STUPID FUCKS. And I don't want to overstep bc I am not Black but both of her main victims are Black and I feel #Very very uncomfortable with people being able to. Ignore that? Like I don't know if she has a Canon/coded race so I can't speak to #In story dynamics and I can't say if it's intended as a pattern but it's genuinely something I think we should like. Acknowledge. #I dont CARE about you enjoying her killing people. That's like fine who gives a shit. I do care about the fact people seem to have assumed #That her being given nuance means it's like. Fine to gloss over the fact she is Canonically an abuser? Like look me in the fucking eyes. #She has abused Cinderella Pinocchio and her stepdaughters! I don't CARE if you want to say the first parts are because of the authors. #It. Happened. Oh wow she was written this way she didn't chose CINDERELLA DIDNT CHOSE TO BE ABUSED! AND OH HOW TERRIBLE THAT YOU WERE #ABUSIVE SO WE COULD LOVE THE PROTAG. HOW DO YOU THINK SHE'D FEEL IF SHE KNEW HER ABUSE WAS A CHOICE MADE TO MAKE HER ''BETTER'' AND #''MORE LIKEABLE''. LIKE SHE HAS TO HAVE THIS KIND OF PAIN JUST SO PEOPLE LIKE HER. DO YOU THINK THATS BETTER? THAT ITS LESS SOUL CRUSHING?? #AND THENP PINOCCHIO. She. CHOSE. That. Pinocchio chose to lie to save his father. She chose to hurt his father to control him. Also more #Lore based but it's implied she did her story again. She has Cinderella's father in an etching. So. It's likely after she got this power #She STILL chose to hurt Cinderella. She chose to be the villain. She CHOSE this. She chose to hurt her again. She chose to be abusive again #Again. Implied. But I don't know what else it would imply. She broke off Pinocchio's nose. She saw him Vulnerable literally told in #By his father (even untrue as it was) that he shouldn't have been made. And she used that. She lovebombed him with promises of a mother and #Reassurance and GIFTS TO FUCKING MANIPULATE HIM. And I believe in adventuring party it was said that Pinocchio literally could not #Recognize what she did to him as abuse/manipulation because of the fact he had been taught that if something hurt him he like. Deserved it. #Or that it was in some way Correct. And that getting what he WANTED was wrong. She took advantage of that to use him literally use him #To the point he was willing to use his strings (something he saw as a trap for him literally representing CONTROL OVER HIM just to escape #Her he was literally GIVING SIGNIFICANT PARTS OF HIS AUTONOMY UP TO ESCAPE HER I DONT THIMK THIS IS FUCKING SUBTEXT GUYS) #Ppl say they want evil women and then act like the women who aren't evil aren't that bad actually because that would COMPLICATE THINGS HUH? #I'm so FUCKING MAD. Like use your brain you stupid cunts