#WDC 2014

[sebnameyourcar]

a multiple time WDC in 2010: i know ferrari fucked up with the last guy, but i think i can be the change and win for them again

a multiple time WDC in 2014: i know ferrari fucked up with the last guy, but i think i can be the change and win for them again

a multiple time WDC in 2024: i know ferrari fucked up with the last guy, but i think i can be the change and win for them again

#whoever described it as excalibur in the stone… yeah #you can’t ALL be king arthur #lewis hamilton #sebastian vettel #fernando alonso #ferrari #silly season 24

[blorbocedes]

if literally any driver other than lewis hamilton was his teammate, like if merc had gone with hulkenberg like they'd scouted for a while nico rosberg would be a 4x wdc rn and because the car was that goated, and his entire perception by fans would be different.

he won his first (and only race that year) in 2012. and in 2013 he won 2 races. from 2014-2016 he won 20 races, while having peak lewis fucking hamilton as his teammate. 20 races in 3 years. he was fucking fast

valtteri bottas won 10 races over the span of 5 years in merc for rocketship reference, and checo perez won 5 races with redbull over 3 years.

when ppl think nico is the hope for second drivers to pull off a wdc against their generational teammate, they're wrong. bc he's not the trend, he's the statistical anomaly. and he was no second driver.

#put some respect on his name #I don't think ppl conceptualise nico was actually good bc they think he won a championship by speaking German in cool-down rooms & dieting #like no he kept up against lewis hamilton and took a title off him #none of Max's teammates could ever do that. none of Lewis' did #23 career wins 30 poles 15 pole to wins 🤭🥶 #nico rosberg

[standingstart]

BRO AKSHDGAH WHAT

I legit thought this was satire until I opened the note and saw OP was serious and not just mocking the anti maxxers. Like can you be anymore daft?

"He doesn't care while Seb can name every WDC in order" ok and? Max can name them until like 1978, which is better than everyone on the grid beside Seb. Or did you conveniently forget that? Was Lewis even doing that game? And Kimi purposely messed up his own championship year to stop playing. So what's your point bestie?

"He looks bored while Lewis cried recieving Senna's helmet" Wow different people show emotions differently what a concept. It's almost like Max wasn't molded from infancy into a machine. And also, emotions doesn't mean tears necessarily. Watch how his eyes sparkle when he's proud of his team and how he hugs his friends or how he embraces Horner like his life depends on it at every race. That's also emotion fyi.

"He says well done while Pierre broke his voice for p3" again, ok and? Was Lewis breaking his voice everytime he won a race from 2014 to 2021? Don't think so. He expected it. As he should have back then. Because he was the best. And it's fine.

"He talks about returning to his cat while Jenson wants to party" Explain the relevance here. BREAKING NEWS: Local Man Wants to Relax Instead of Doing Coke on a Yatch. Where is the World Going? lmao. lol. touch grass xx

#like these things really be flying right over your head ain't they? #i wish i lived in your world where everything is exactly as you want and they don't even have to make sense #max verstappen #f1 #some people i swear #btw just to be clear this is NOT a diss at lewis far from it lewis is valid as fuck #i just want to show the irony of all of these statements

[notyourprof]

A’s Very Incomplete But Hopefully Easily-Digestible F1 & F1 Fandom 101

Since @powerful-owl's call for F1 Primers, I’ve seen several really nice, detailed, intro-to-race weekend primers, but I wanted to provide a…slightly less intense one for folks who are brand new and aren’t yet interested in learning about the difference between understeer and undercutting. So, just in time for the final race of 2023, in the style of @writesharriet's The Untamed 101, please enjoy A’s Very Incomplete But Hopefully Easily-Digestible F1 & F1 Fandom 101.

1) Okay, fine. What is Formula 1?

Formula 1, aka F1, is an international car racing series that’s been happening annually since 1950*. There is a new racing season each year, and the number of races per year has increased over time. In 2024, there are 24 races scheduled, the most ever, and they will take place in 21 different countries, starting in March and ending in December. Drivers earn points primarily by finishing in the top ten places of a race. (There are other ways to earn points, but that is the main way.) The higher a driver finishes, the more points they get. Each season there are two championships up for grabs: one for the driver who scores the most points, called the World Drivers’ Championship or WDC, and one for the team that scores the most points, called the World Constructors’ Championship.

*Technically, some F1 races happened before 1950, but 1950 was the first year of the championship series.

2) Wait, there are teams? Isn’t racing, like, an individual sport?

Yes, and also yes. There are currently (as of 2023) ten teams in F1, and each team has two cars (and corresponding drivers) in each race. There is a long set of rules that each team must follow when constructing their cars, aka the “formula” of Formula 1. There is, however, flexibility in the rules for team engineers to be creative and innovative, so there are (sometimes drastic) differences between the cars in a given year. The popular names of the ten teams in the 2023 season are: Alfa Romeo, AlphaTauri, Alpine, Aston Martin, Ferrari, Haas, McLaren, Mercedes, Red Bull, and Williams. All ten of those teams will be back for 2024, but a few will have new names.

(Many of the teams have longer names that often include sponsors, e.g. the Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant F1 Team, and some of the current teams have changed names over the years, and/or have upcoming name changes. The intricacies of team/constructor names are a subject for a different post.)

3) Okay but what about the drivers?

Most teams have the same two primary drivers for the duration of a given season, and these days, many drivers will be with the same team for a large part of their career. Most teams also have a third (aka reserve, or backup) driver who can step in at the last minute if a primary driver is injured or ill. It is also possible for teams to replace their primary drivers mid-season. This is especially common among teams that have close partnerships with each other (e.g. Mercedes and Williams) and/or are owned by the same company (e.g. Red Bull and AlphaTauri).

But in general, you can usually assume that the drivers for a given team will be the same for an entire season. This can lead to intense rivalries! (If you like enemies/rivals to lovers, you are in luck in this fandom!) It’s often stated that the only “true” way to compare two drivers against each other is if they are teammates and therefore driving identical cars, because then it’s down to the driving prowess of the driver. (It is, of course, more complicated than that, but those intricacies are again beyond the scope of this post.)

For the past few decades, it has been common for there to be dominant drivers (in dominant cars) who win a number of WDCs in a row. For example, if we look at the WDC winners (and their teams) since 2010, they are:

2010: Sebastian Vettel (Red Bull)

2011: Sebastian Vettel (Red Bull)

2012: Sebastian Vettel (Red Bull)

2013: Sebastian Vettel (Red Bull)

2014: Lewis Hamilton (Mercedes)

2015: Lewis Hamilton (Mercedes)

2016: Nico Rosberg (Mercedes)

2017: Lewis Hamilton (Mercedes)

2018: Lewis Hamilton (Mercedes)

2019: Lewis Hamilton (Mercedes)

2020: Lewis Hamilton (Mercedes)

2021: Max Verstappen (Red Bull)

2022: Max Verstappen (Red Bull)

2023: Max Verstappen (Red Bull)

Unsurprisingly, you will find a lot of fannish content about the recently-dominant drivers.

4) Who are the current drivers? What about next year?

I have a spreadsheet for that! It is incomplete, but I’m working on filling it out, as well as extending it back in time.

You can use the tabs at the bottom to switch between different ways of sorting/viewing the information, i.e. by driver vs by team.

4b) Okay but who are the people I need to know about for fandom?

The drivers you’re most likely to run into in fic, in alphabetical order by last name, are:

Alex Albon

Lewis Hamilton

Charles Leclerc

Lando Norris

Daniel Ricciardo

Nico Rosberg

George Russell

Carlos Sainz

Max Verstappen

Sebastian Vettel 

Some of the team principals (essentially, the leaders of each team) show up often as well, mostly:

Christian Horner (Team Principal for Red Bull, married to Geri Halliwell, aka Ginger Spice)

Toto Wolff (Team Principal for Mercedes, married to Susie Woff, nee Stoddart, who is a former driver herself, currently runs the F1 Academy series for developing young female drivers, and deserves her own post)

Common ships are:

Max Verstappen/Daniel Ricciardo (aka Maxiel)

Lewis Hamilton/Nico Rosberg (aka Brocedes)

George Russel/Alex Albon (aka Galex)

Max Verstappen/Charles Leclerc (aka Lestappen)

Lewis Hamilton/Sebastian Vettel (aka Sewis)

Carlos Sainz/Lando Norris (aka Carlando)

5) Isn’t there a Netflix show too? What’s the deal with that?

Yes, there is! It’s called Drive to Survive (usually abbreviated as DTS) and it’s both a great way to get to know the personalities of the drivers and also not a 100% accurate portrayal of the interpersonal relationships between drivers. For example, one of the drivers was so displeased by the portrayal of the relationship between him and a former teammate that he basically refused to participate for the next few seasons. (The relationship was portrayed as far more acrimonious than it actually was.) That said, you can absolutely participate in F1 fandom having only ever watched DTS and never watched a race or any other content! Your experience will just be enriched if you also do things like follow the drivers & teams on social media and start to watch races as well.

6) So what are the barriers to entry?

Well first, you have to acknowledge that this is a very silly sport in which most participants are tax-dodging millionaires and billionaires yet still somehow likeable. Once you get past that...

You need a Netflix subscription to watch DTS, but otherwise, that part is pretty straightforward. Watching the actual races (and everything else associated with a race weekend) is a bit more complicated…

7) Okay, FINE, if I were going to watch a race how would I do that?

First, a heads-up that the actual race (aka the Grand Prix) is not the only thing that happens, there is an entire race weekend. A typical race weekend involves: two practice sessions on Friday, one practice session and one qualifying session on Saturday, and the race itself on Sunday. The practice sessions (officially called “free practices” and abbreviated as FP1, FP2, and FP3) allow teams and drivers to get used to the track as well as play around with different ways of setting up the car. The qualifying session is used to set the start order (called “the grid”) for Sunday’s race. It’s broken down into three parts, and the start order is determined by the lap times the drivers set–the faster the lap time, the higher up a driver starts on the grid. (For the most part. There can be other factors in play such as grid position penalties. Again, the details of qualifying and grid penalties are beyond the scope of this post.) 

Note that for the past few years, a few weekends per season are “sprint weekends”, which have a different format. Again, the details aren’t really for this post, but I plan to write another post specifically about sprint weekends sometime in the near future. Even on sprint weekends, there is still the actual race on Sunday.

New fans might not find the practices very interesting, so I would generally recommend starting with a race itself and perhaps qualifying (aka “quali”) also. 

(Podium celebrations for the top three at the conclusion of a race involve lots of sparkling wine spraying everywhere.)

7b) Okay, so how would one watch the race itself? 

It is…complicated, and very region-dependent. 

If you’re in the UK, you need to have a subscription to Sky Sports to watch anything from a race weekend live. Note that if you don’t have a Sky Box, there is only a short period of time in which you can watch a race back…after that, you can only watch race highlights on Sky. 

In the US, you need a combination of ESPN cable channels (e.g. ESPN, ESPN2, and ESPNU) and ESPN+ access to watch everything, although sometimes the race will also be shown on ABC. Alternatively, you can subscribe to F1 TV Pro, which gives you live streaming of everything from race weekends, plus access to watch all of the past races. 

Frustratingly, F1 TV Pro is not available in all countries (notably, not the UK), and in those countries the only option is F1 TV Access, which is cheaper, but does not include anything from the current season, just the archived seasons. You can check what’s available in your country here: https://www.formula1.com/en/toolbar/content_schedule.html Unfortunately, I am not familiar with other viewing options in other countries, but if anyone adds info in replies or reblogs, I will add it in! 

As you watch the race, you will hear the commentators use a lot of jargon that you can find explained in other, more detailed, primers, but even if you don’t understand a whole lot of what they’re saying, it’s still enjoyable to just watch the racing!

Even if you can’t ever watch a race live, F1 puts a lot of content on their YouTube channel, including race recaps and highlights: https://www.youtube.com/@Formula1 They also have a lot of fun content with the drivers (see the “Grill The Grid” series, especially) in addition to plenty of explainers about the tech and design of the cars. The individual teams also have great YouTube channels with lots of general and race-specific information as well as fun content with their drivers.

Okay, I think this primer has managed to be both too much and not enough, LOL, so it’s time to call it. Happy race-watching, folks! 🏎

(If you spot any factual or grammatical errors in this, please let me know so I can fix them! I wasn’t able to get someone to read this over in advance, so it’s very possible there are some!)

#f1blr #f1 fandom 101 #f1 fandom primer

[f0point5]

I think that people are more mad about how the mentality isn’t there. Because to be the best, you have to think that you’re the best and be willing to go up against the best.

There’s so many examples of drivers going up against the best, thinking they’re the best, etc.

Charles going to Ferrari to team up with Sebastian after only 1 year in F1. George taking on the task of being Lewis’ teammate. Lewis coming in and showing up Fernando in 2007.

And in my opinion the more relevant example: Daniel going to RB in 2014 when Sebastian was one of their first junior drivers to make it to the main team and get them their first wins for both teams, first wdc, first wcc, and all that. Despite being from the junior program as well, the team was Sebastian’s at that point because he’d won them 4 consecutive titles. But Daniel went in there and showed up Sebastian. If you’re good enough or fast enough, RB will back you (just look at Sebastian taking control from Mark Webber).

All of these drivers took the risk of teaming up with world champions much earlier into their careers and were confident in their own abilities.

You have to be somewhat delusional about your own abilities because why else are you there if you don’t think that you can beat the other 19 drivers.

To be fair though, Lando didn’t say he didn’t want to go against Max. He just said he wanted to battle Max in a McLaren, not a Red Bull. Now, I don’t think Lando’s mentality is there in general, but what he said there isn’t the reason. He’s right that moving from a team where you are comfortable, prioritised, and where you have the loyalty of those around you, to a team that is loyal to the other driver, who also happens to be one of the greatest drivers ever…is a brain dead move. It’s not the same for someone like George, or Carlos, they have nothing to lose because even if their teams have a championship car they won’t be the champion, but Lando would be at McLaren. And he never would be at Red Bull.

The difference to me with Charles, Lewis, etc., is that they were still on the rise. They were still looking to make that in-road to a top team where they could get comfortable. Charles wasn’t going to get comfortable and stay at Sauber. Lewis didn’t really have a choice to go anywhere but McLaren. Those were upward moves for them, that happened to be alongside champions and they proved themselves. Lando going from a team that he thinks has championship potential and prioritises him, to a winning team that will not support him right away wouldn’t even be a lateral move, it would be a step down imo.

And yes, RB will back the fastest driver, but that won’t happen in one or two races. Lando would have to convincingly beat Max over a whole season for him to even approach equal footing. Lando doesn’t have a season to waste getting the team to believe in him, especially when he has a team that already does.

I think the other drivers were going for the best opportunity for them, they weren’t chasing a fight with the world champions, it came to them because of the team they were in. For Lando to go to RB would be chasing a fight he doesn’t need, with the odds stacked against him. I don’t think it’s a weak mentality to acknowledge that and say, better the devil you know.

BUT. I do also agree that Lando knows he wouldn’t beat Max over a season regardless of what team he was in. Because Lando can read a data sheet, he knows who didn’t make mistakes and he knows he did. I also think he knows Max is a better driver. I do think he is nowhere near tough enough for a title fight, but I don’t think this instance is what showed that.

#f1 #formula 1 #max verstappen #lando norris

[hungriestheidi]

i want to know mode ab sebchal model au 🫣

send me a ship and an au and i will write 5 headcanons about it

I've been thinking about this au for months so this got out of hand pretty quickly, hehe.

sebchal model au:

charles never got past amateur karting for reasons (something happened in his family that pushed him away from it and from Monaco as well). Instead, he dedicated himself to pursuit a normal life and a career in modeling. He's not a history maker sort of supermodel, not a shalom or a linda evangelista or a valeria mazza. But he's something special, nevertheless.

the butterfly effect trickles down all the way to Maranello, where Sebastian Vettel street exists as the team managed to pull a miraculous title fight, losing it in Abu Dhabi, in 2015 and consecutive early championship wrap ups in 2017 and 2018.

the setting is 2024, Max has won two wdcs (Lewis won 2014, 2015, 2019, 2020 and 2021 so he's on par with Seb), and while Seb is chasing his very elusive seventh wdc, he is also chasing the white whale of personal stability.

You see, in this reality, Seb, still very reserved and private, has not seen a happy personal life. An early divorce and a disastrous string of two public relationships ending with sanitized pr statements make it a highly sought out bachelor (half of Italy wants to blow him and do coke with him, the other half thinks they can fix him).

charles, in the dying end of a his model career and kicking off an influencer career with every Instagram post, is seeking his very own white whale: a life as a wag.

he's had his odd encounter with drivers, but every time they had pulled up an NDA and he is not to be kept in shadows while he's still young and beautiful, thank you very much. But you see, Seb is just like every other driver but without a smidge of a bad rep outside the track. He's a polite, handsome and charming man, and a serial slut flirt but overall the image of a family man.

charles needs a rebrand, a change that will propel him to new and wider audiences (aspirational aesthetic domestic relationship content always sells, baby!) and he's ready to do anything for that f1 driver of his dreams.

chances are he will get cheated on, he has taken that into account, and he'll be alright with that. marriage is a contract after all. what he hasn't considered is the possibility of falling in love and how a history of failed relationships will put him through the paces.

xoxo gossip girl

#fic asks #sebchal #lourdes tag #something something yes and?

[f1version]

I saw someone say that Lewis should have moved in 2026 not 2025, so here's my opinion on why I believe he actually picked the right time and shouldn’t have moved in 2026:

His move works for 2025 because it gives Ferrari the perfect chance to be a strong challenger in 2026. Why not 2025? Shouldn’t he be focusing there? No, this is why it will be a ‘multi-year contract’, because 2025 is the start of a two year transition, and while I wouldn’t scratch out the opportunity there, the change of regulations in 2026 and beyond is the real opportunity Ferrari (and other teams) could benefit from as we have seen before (e.i. Red Bull/Ferrari 2010-2013, Mercedes 2014-2021, Red Bull 2022-probably 2025, even BrawnGP 2009).

Now, as we know, driving for the same team the year before the regulations change is and should be ideal for each driver, this means the team gets to know the driver enough to maintain the chaos of the new regulations under control = more efficiency. Besides, we have seen this move work for Lewis before (Mercedes 2013, one year before the regulations changed in 2014) so why wouldn’t he put his bets on it again? Especially with Ferrari, the land of dreams?

Is it a risk? Of course. I’m not saying this is bound to happen, any other team could be the one to pull off the change—the biggest challengers being: McLaren, Ferrari, Audi, even Mercedes and Red Bull—But I believe that, taking in consideration all of the moves and potential changes (staff, ideas, etc) happening in Ferrari by that moment, they could pull it off. (Or McLaren could be the one to pull it off, you tell me). It depends on what the Scuderia does.

Is it also a risk for Lewis because of the driver pairing and how Ferrari will have to choose between two number one drivers? Yes, but that is a much complicated topic I’m ignoring, in the end, this is also about the opportunity on the hands of Ferrari. It could benefit the WDC dreams of either Charles or Lewis.

Anyways it all depends. These are all thoughts, I just wanted to emphasize why I believe the timing is right. Kisses <333333

#‎ ﹒✶ ˖ ࣪ steph talks ! #this is me rambling #welcome to me rambling #would you want more rambling #i like rambling #don’t hate on me thank you #lewis hamilton #scuderia ferrari #ferrari #mercedes #f1 #formula 1 #formula one

[whewchilly]

elle beloved do u have any fernando kimi lore. like. what am i missing

do u know what a loaded question this is oh boy buckle up

2014,,,two thousand and fourteen….

Fernando Alonso, Felipe Massa and Scuderia Ferrari has just come out of a pretty hellish season-end, totally dominated by an unhinged blond german speaking red bull golden boy (am I ringing any bells?) their fourth successive failed title challenge despite the spaniard finishing 2nd, by less than 5 points, on 2 of those occasions.

So. 2014. Ferrari retain Fernando and drop Felipe, bringing their most recent WDC Kimi Raikkonen back into the famiglia. I do believe the re-signing of Kimi was a statement by the team and one which upset Fernando greatly, considering he was clear number one driver to Felipe at the time. like the pressure was turning up on nando

Now. on top of that, 2014 was the beginning of a huge sea change in f1, the mercedes domination turbo hybrid era, which introduced the V6 hybrid power units and lower-downforce aerodynamic regs.

so lights out and away we etc etc.

Kimi has an absolute stinker. Like its bad bestie. Across the 2014 season, Fernando outscored Kimi 161 points to 55. and YES, those numbers are tickling my brain too.

This led many upset kimi truthers to do what all good sleuths do. follow the money! and their nose for investigation sniffed them all the way to Santander’s door. the SPANISH (helloooo???!!!???) sponsor of the scuderia. case open and shut. SABOTAGE! clear as day.

((we pay no mind here to the fact that Kimi was adapting to a new team and new regulations, had previously been outscored at Ferrari by Felipe Massa in 2008, that his previous teammate and reference was grosjean, that the 2015 car was far superior to the F14-T, the bank was still a ferrari sponsor or that Kimi went on to be out scored by his next teammate, ze german, 278 points to Kimi’s 150, the following year also and all other consecutive years until 2019)) no matter. we’re wise to them now and if they EVER try that shit again-ANYWAY.

Despite all the background drama, the two drivers maintained a healthy respect for each other but with Fernando fed up of Ferrari and already planing his next move (and pining for Felipe 💔) and Kimi retrospectively… highly likely in the know re: the ink drying on zebastian fettel’s ferrari contract (that damn chatterbox). probably didn’t invest a lot of time into their teammate dynamic but will live forever in my brain as girlbestfriends who slayed those cavallino embalm blazers and, in Kimi’s own words had an “odd” chemistry. <3

“I think one thing you can notice is that you can race with him very closely, as it always was with him. You kind of know what’s going to happen or what was not going to happen so, in that way, yes, it’s different. You get what you expect and, with some other people, you are not so sure. With Alonso you can trust him” – Kimi Raikkonen said, about his on-track battles with the Spanish driver.

#asks #this is heavily under-researched my source is google headlines to corroborate my dad and i having dodgy memories #who else remembers this era. pitch in

[keepthedelta]

I just read up your post on merc not favoring nico throughout his career. With all the british bias sky/any other medias had against him back in the day, it's definitely interesting when nico decided to join them, always made me wonder how he felt about all of that. Also, did he really sign more than 100 million euros in 2016? That's some insane negotiation skill, considering he hasn't been a wdc 😭

the thing about relationships between sports people and the media is that it's inherently weird. because yes, these people often talk shit about you on the television, but you also often see them more than you see your own family. you share flights with them, and meals, and you see them not just at work, but also in airports and train stations and restaurants and hotels. and both sides need each other. the media need drivers and team personnel to want to talk to them (and sometimes leak them information) and the drivers and teams need the media for coverage, advertising, and to drive certain narratives. and for both sides, the people that you are on camera may not always be who you are off camera, and there is a certain recognition of that.

for nico, while i would say that while the british media treated him fairly terribly during 2014-2016, there were still moments where they acknowledged how good he was. there was this very odd phase in the monza-suzuka section of the 2016 calendar, where it was looking increasingly likely that nico was going to win the championship, and sky were suddenly nice about nico. they wrote articles about how wonderful nico was as a person and said it was a shame that people didn't get to see that side of nico (even though they were the ones portraying him in a certain way), they did a review of the hybrid era and recognised that nico had had more bad luck across the era than lewis, (although lewis had probably had slightly worse luck in 2016) and where earlier race wins like bahrain, china and russia (where he began on the front row and then led all the way to the end) were described as boring and unchallenged, race wins like monza and japan (which were almost identical to the earlier wins) were described as faultless and perfect. even when they were being terrible to him, there were moments that were good.

additionally, a lot of the british hate towards nico only began in 2014. prior to that, coverage was largely positive. nico was driving terrible cars, but he was driving them incredibly well. he dragged some of the shittiest williams cars in their history to places that they should not have been, including onto the podium. i would have to check, but i'm pretty sure that during his time at williams, nico was their only podium finisher. he absolutely destroyed his teammates (the only teammate he never beat in his career was mark webber, who was his teammate during his rookie year, when they were driving a car that spent more time on fire than it did racing), and when he went to mercedes he beat michael schumacher pretty convincingly (only schumi teammate to ever beat him btw). before he became a threat to lewis, the british media were actually quite complimentary about him. so for nico, it's a question of three years of negative coverage versus eight years of pretty good coverage (personally i would still have told them to fuck off).

there's also the fact that nico does triple duty for sky, as he works for sky germany and sky italy too, often in the same weekend. so sky are willing to pay him essentially three times to do one job, which seems like a pretty good deal to me, and i don't think the german or italian coverage of him was ever quite as harsh as the british media, so that might also be a factor. he clearly enjoys what he does, he gets to show up in his little linen beach outfits, say whatever he likes, and leave as the paddock implodes because he's just dropped information that the fia didn't want anyone to know about. truly an icon.

as for the contract extension, yeah it was insane. i think it may have even been for as much as 137 million euros, almost 70 million per year, which is a legitimately insane amount of money for any driver, let alone one who has never won a wdc. as i said, i think nico actually had quite a lot of power/leverage when it came to signing the contract because of what was happening internally at mercedes at the time. also, back then, a lot of merc's biggest sponsors, hugo boss, thomas sabo, etc. were actually nico sponsors, and if he went to ferrari, they would have gone with him, so there was definitely a financial incentive to keep him, but still, georg nolte and gerhard berger definitely earned their money in those negotiations

#ask #anon #nico rosberg

[blorbocedes]

Okay maybe a bit random but I’m currently exploring the whole brocedes lore more deeply and something I’m curious about, and I wondered if you had any thoughts, was do you think Toto had a clear favourite during the 2013-16 era and if so who? Front what I can vaguely remember at the time as a casual viewer, almost every Lewis fan was convinced Toto was favouring Nico and giving him preferential treatment but I always put that down to their whole victim complex of thinking everyone’s working against Lewis. There were times when Toto gave Nico a proper public bollocking (such as Spa 2014) which definitely wouldn’t indicate he was in any way favoured.

When I look at Toto and Nico now (side note, their podcast together gave me WAY too many brainworms), Toto does seem pretty fond of Nico and definitely lets him get away with so much shit that he wouldn’t let other journalists. However I don’t know if that still necessarily means he ever preferred him over Lewis?

To me it was pretty clear that Niki favoured Lewis imo but I’m still not sure on Toto. Do you have any opinion on that?

short answer to did toto favour nico over lewis? lol no.

longer answer: look at the merc team orders in 2013, where lewis -- who had yet to win a wdc w/ merc yet or establish himself within the team as First Driver and was equal w/ nico -- was favoured over nico for the podium. nico who has been the the team since it's return to f1 in 2010, scored their first points, podium, and team.

longer longer answer: CC'ing @keepthedelta

#blorbocedes ask

[skitskatdacat63]

@lesharl-eclair here is the vettonso timeline I mentioned at some point!! I was gonna make a more refined version but ah, the original is fine so I'm posting it for you <3

Its written so its as if their careers began at the same time. There's obviously some parts where they deviate from each other(I blame Fernando), but they're pretty similar, no??

Here's some notes I have:

They both started at technically the same team(if you ignore that Seb raced one race for Sauber): Minardi/STR. And they spent 3 seasons either racing for that team or testing(Fernando for Renault, Seb for BMW teams), before being promoted to the team where they won their respective WDCS.

They both spent six seasons with their WDC team. And both won their WDCs using Renault engines. Both were pretty much the golden boys of their teams, beloved by their team principal and team in general. Unfortunately both aren't consecutive because Fernando tried out McLaren lol.

They spent a similar amount of years at Ferrari(five and six respectively.) Neither could win a WDC with Ferrai(😔) And both joined Ferrari in a very similar way. When Fernando joined, he ousted Kimi and it was very uncertain where Kimi was going. I think the commentators in 2009 predicted McLaren? (But he ended up taking a sabbatical obv.) But pretty messy, right? The literal same exact thing happened with Fernando and Seb in 2014-2015. They finally announced at the end of the season, even though it was pretty obvious, that Seb would be replacing Fernando. And where did Fernando go? McLaren! The history book on the shelf is always repeating itself. I guess I find it funny that Fernando replaced his former rival under somewhat messy circumstances, only for his other rival to do the exact same thing to him years later.

Okay McHonda and Alpine blah blah blah. Anyways they're probably going to have both end up competing their careers after two years with Aston Martin. This honestly is my favorite parallel. Because it's very sweet to me that Seb replaced Fernando, in an aforementioned messy way, only for Fernando to take Seb's seat in a very peaceful, almost "passing the torch" type exchange 🥰

#blah blah blah theyre mirrors do you get it 🥺 #i was gonna make one where i took our mclaren and alpine bcs they pretty much match up perfectly #but ig it feels a bit weird to just rip them out of his timeline yknow #i think they still match up regardless of that though #and im sure Fernando prob wouldnt mind too much removing both from his history 😭 #i love how kimi is just there as well for both the ferrari replacements #like he was there to be the pawn in fernando's and then there to be the unaffected teammate during the second one 😭 #see actually this is why we never got them as teammates #it wouldnt make sense for the mirror theory okay 🙄 #cause they have the same career but just a little bit offset #so you can look at it and go wow! and then cry yourself to sleep bcs you then realize you'll never get them as teammates #haha i just bought some merch and they're both in aston racesuits so at least *I'll* have vettonso teammates on a personal level #but i think if i ever draw more of that timeswap au + #i wanna draw them together when they were each at the respective parts of their career #ex. minardi nando x str seb. renault nando x rbr seb. sf nando x sf seb. amr nando x amr seb. YKNOW!? #<- ive already thought of some silly dialog for two of them lmao #anyways this is my thesis thanks. hope you enjoy and agree <3 #catie.rambling.txt #vettonso #normal posts that catie normally makes in a normal fashion

[leqclerc]

also, lewis might respect charles a lot, but we all know they would never be able to shake off the hunger for winning. especially when it could be a matter of time before he gets his eighth wdc. he’d be crazy not to fight tooth and nail for it. it only saddens me to think that it might cost charles what should have been his time to try and fight for his own goals. it’s silly, but i’ve even seen people talking about how lewis will come in and win the monaco gp with ferrari and for some reason that post broke my heart. it’s just not fair on him.

100%!!

It really depends on how they handle it if they find themselves in that situation, but historically... eh? If tempers flare, if the hunger's there, if a championship is within reach... no way the gloves aren't going to come off. Remains to be seen whether all that stays on track or goes beyond it and potentially causes some upset in the team. It's probably easier to maintain a good relationship when you're not teammates, when you're chasing the same goal but from within different garages. Hell, Lewis and Nico were childhood best friends before the mess of 2014 (and beyond) happened—whether that ultimately made things easier or harder, I don't know. Either way that disintegrated pretty quickly when a championship was there for the taking and it came down to the two of them. And Ferrari generally aren't the greatest mediators when it comes to internal conflicts, certainly hasn't been their strong suit in the past couple of years.

Perspective is such an interesting thing, because like... before this Charles's title hopes were the big talking point. Realizing a boyhood dream with Ferrari, the big hope, the generational talent, the FDA graduate. And now most of the attention has shifted away from that to Lewis's eighth title. It's what the buzz is about, it's what people want to see, it's the new F1 fairytale, the Big Story. It's kind of starting to feel like a "always the bridesmaid, never the bride" type beat 😭 And he deserves so much better than that.

#replies #anonymous #discussions and predictions

[bunnieshoneys]

id like to know if u have a clear answer for this but is suguru the better racer between stsg in coanda effect

its difficult to explain, but probably not

in terms of natural talent theyre supposed to be pretty equal, with gojo having the edge. But suguru definitely has to work harder and by the time theyre both in G1, theyre definitely near on even.

my hc is that its generally considered that Getou would have won the WDC in 2011 and potentially 2012 if not for the crash that occurred at japan 2011, and that he was overdue a WDC by the time he got to JTR. Getou himself admits in interviews that Riko’s death affected him in the 2013 season, and he lost the lead of the championship because of it.

2014 is one of the best comeback performances in the history of the sport. People consider Getou a VERY good racer, but Gojo with 6 WDCs vs Getou’s 1? Gojo is considered the better racer by a while.

Until Yuuta in 2021, Getou is the ONLY driver to beat him in equal machinery. Gojo outscored Toji as a rookie, then Mei Mei, and Nanami.

(and as mentioned, people dont count yuuta’s win as a win. Gojo was compromised by horrible luck and a lot of failures on his side of the garage, to the point people suspected foul play)

in terms of actual racing, theyre fairly even. but the difference is that gojo is able to remain consistent on mentality whilst getou struggles as a result of the means he has to take to stay fit - both mentally and physically.

:3

#fic: coanda effect #bunny answers

[ivettel]

was your last post an invitation to ask about martian b/c... i will take it as one... they make me insane

they make me insane too like. how does the universe so perfectly align like that. how did the universe make it so that mark was there when seb drove an f1 car for the first time, so that mark drove him to the airport after. and the fact that this act of kindness stuck with seb throughout everything they went through! that the day he left the sport, he recounted the tale with a brilliant smile on his face!!

i think about the bmw christmas party later that year more often than i'd like to admit. they were on a little carriage together! sitting across from each other freezing their little butts off while wearing cute hats! and they didn't know at that point. they didn't know their stories would be tied together inextricably. it makes my tummy hurt so much.

from fuji to singapore to monza already is insane but from monza to china where it was both of them on the podium? and even in between those events, that little moment in australia? and then from china to germany to abu dhabi and mark saying he enjoys driving next to seb and seb fondly patting him on the shoulder and fully in 2009 being the kind of team that red bull only dreamed of having?? and then in 2010 after the two of them were practically glued to the hip in monaco, seeing it all fall apart two weeks later in turkey??? the way it all unravelled from there???? silverstone and abu dhabi again and interlagos and seb's little blog entries later down the line saying shit like he and mark had no relationship and of course, malaysia 2013. but the healing thereafter! austria 2014 to abu dhabi 2015 to silverstone 2017 to turkey 2020 and all the glimmers of light in between!!

nikki @cuetheviolins said something along the lines of this in a reply to an ask i got the other month and i think it sums the magic of their story quite well: there is no 4x wdc seb as we know it without mark and vice versa.

these two men shaped each other's lives for better and for worse and then at the end of the war they sat down and said, let's be good to each other. and they were.

#genius bar #dymphna 🏷