Would love to hear about potential parallel stories/lore in judaism 👁👁👁👁💞
i realized that i actually havent thought very in depth about parallels and themes in the bible in a LONG time but let me think...
one that jumped to the forefront of my mind is something that idk if its a theme/parallel or not, but it has to do with moses.
in the torah (really in the talmud i think which is a bunch of rabbi's headcanons about the torah that were then accepted as canon later on), when moses was taken in by pharaoh a test was performed to see whether moses would overthrow him, and by extension whether he was safe to keep and raise. that test was to show baby moses two pots: one of gold and riches and one of hot coals, and whichever he grabbed would be indicative as to what kind of son he'd be. so obviously, being a baby, moses starts to go for the shiny stuff. but (so the story goes) since moses has plot armor an angel (of death [?]) reached out and moved his hand to the hot coals. this is important because not only did it secure his safety to grow up under pharaoh's watch, but it burned his hand, which he then put in his mouth which permanantly burned his tongue and gave him a lisp.
now the lisp isnt really talked about much more until later on, and its kind of minor so i get why its often left out, but it changes the whole feeling of the story! because of the lisp, moses gets nervous to speak in front of pharaoh's mages, and so it's aaron who does the talking when they turn their staffs into snakes. it's aaron (iirc) who speaks to the hebrews and tells them the word of god. moses is the one who speaks directly to god and does his bidding in the stories, but aaron is the one who conveys the information.
and AND i just remembered this continues!! it continues to be true that moses doesnt always tell his own story!! in the scientific world it is generally accepted that there are a few different authors/compilers of the torah, but in judaism there is one main accepted truth of how it was written with two endings: moses wrote the whole thing up until the last chapter when he was on mount sinai, writing down word for word what god told him to. the ending, though, changes because at the end of the bible moses dies there is a debate over whether moses wrote his own death before it happened (since god is omnipresent blah blah blah) or whether joshua took over for him after he died. if the latter is true, that would be the second time someone tells moses' story for him!! first aaron tells the mages and the hebrews who moses is and why he was sent to save them, and then joshua tells the story of his death and his exile from the holy land! there are THEMES and MOTIFS i can SEE THEM
i have no idea if this is what you were asking for but thank you for inviting me to infodump XD <3
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Tribe of Rushing Water Redux
It’s probably impossible to completely "fix” the Tribe, but here’s my attempt at making it a fully realized culture from which the clans broke off from, instead of a primitive imitation.
Notably, the Tribe is actually the root of cat civilization in this geographical area. The Sisters, the Guardians, and the Clans could all trace their histories to the Tribe, many, many generations ago.
Living
First of all, there are now three different ‘colonies‘ on the mountain, all of them touching the river that flows from the cave spring. There’s the Cave Wards which is the one seen in the books, the Stone Wards down the waterfall, and the Valley Wards at the foot of the mountain facing the lake territory.
A colony is to a Ward what a camp is to a Clan, only with much higher populations. There are no boundaries and cats move freely between colonies. Only the Cave is closely guarded; reserved for Tribe members, grand celebrations, and honored guests.
Combined, the three Wards make up the collective known as the Tribe of Rushing Water, because of their shared connection to the waterfall.
Hunting
The Cave Guard and Prey Hunter roles have been eliminated completely. The path of a To-Be is not decided in childhood. Instead, there are many types of specialized hunter, and a To-Be spends their adolescence learning from many different cats.
The mountain has a bounty of species, so cats typically live in the camp closest to their chosen prey’s habitats. In its rivers are crayfish, char, ducks. In the caves are bats and insects. Eagles roost in the peaks, and twolegs leave their sheep out to graze. The terrain makes hunting hard and risky, but provides enough to support many skillful hunters, if they work together.
Eagle and sheep hunters take on the most difficult, dangerous, and rewarding prey the highlands have to offer, and are highly respected as a result. Such cats are usually trained after they’re already accomplished hunters of more common prey.
As a result of this extreme cultural emphasis on hunting, they do not have ‘fighters.‘ Attacking other cats is a massive taboo, akin to making prey out of them. Most insults involve telling another cat to starve or be hungry, and implying that no one will hunt for them when they’re old.
Healing and Spirituality
There is still one Stoneteller; but the Tribe is democratic. Stoneteller is technically a religious figure, not a political one.
There is a fleet of medics, and the Stoneteller has a constant stream of cats visiting them to learn or seek advice. For this purpose, the Teller of the Pointed Stones relinquishes their mortal name, and accepts a special power from the Tribe of Endless Hunting; they’re completely invulnerable to illness, heat, hunger, and cold, and their ancestors can speak through their body.
The new Stoneteller does not need to be trained for their role. As soon as the old Stoneteller passes away, the oldest medic accepts the role and is trained by the old Stoneteller’s spirit.
Death comes for this nearly invulnerable cat only after their body completely stops working. Being killed is the only way to end a Stoneteller’s tenure early; and it’s an ‘early‘ death if these cats die in their 20s; average age of death is mid-30s.
Conflict
This is the hardest part for me. Up until this point I’ve just been building the culture out, but one of the worst problems of the books was the fact the Tribe was unable to sustain itself and the Clans had to rush in and save them from nearly everything, particularly physical threats like invaders and Sharptooth. I’m not sure how to tackle that from within the Tribe without also making the Tribe a battle culture...
And, well, I don’t want to do that. I’d like for the Tribe to remain a largely peaceful entity that’s been kept safe for surviving in such a harsh environment that simply doesn’t get invaded often... They have an emphasis on cooperation and hunting, not combat. I do NOT want to ‘fix‘ them by making them into a 6th clan.
That said, I don’t want to completely remove TNP’s Sharptooth or PO3′s Tribe Invasion plotlines either. The Tribe and Clan should be equal, and that does mean that Clan cats have a skill the Tribe cats don’t, just as the Tribe has skills the Clan cats don’t.
So... below are my working ideas.
The Tribe is more connected to the Clans for a while, sending a few of their numerous medics to help teach the medicine cats about their new environment, even lending a hunter or two. For Flick’s invaders, they request combat aid on purpose, not because they’ll be destroyed without the Clans, but because they’ll be a big help. And for Sharptooth? He was a supernatural force, not a random cougar in England the Tribe inexplicably couldn’t deal with.
KEEP IN MIND these are working ideas. If these ideas still invoke discomfort in a way I can still fix without just straight up deleting the Tribe, I’m extremely open to changes here.
Sharptooth
oh fugg a gougar
Sharptooth is a curse, and the newest mortal form of the creation deity who previously appeared as One Eye at the Dawn of the Clans. The Tribe has killed him several times before (possibly in different forms- a hog, a bear, a human), but not before Sharptooth slaughters several hunters. “A Silver Warrior“ is fated to break this cycle.
What they DON’T know is that by ‘breaking the cycle‘ this just means that Sharptooth’s next target is going to become the Clans (either the Tribe didn’t know either, or Stoneteller purposefully didn’t relay that half of the prophecy to anyone). He is a god and doesn’t die like mortals do. The cat who landed the final blow on One Eye was from the mountains; so he haunted the mountains. Since Feathertail was from the clans, he will now haunt the clans.
But anyway, that’s a plot device for me to hold onto. I’m undecided on if this means he’ll haunt the Lake or the Forest from now on; either way it’s moot because he wouldn’t be back for several series’ worth of books and I hopefully won’t still be in this fandom in 30 real, additional human years
hopefully
Flick’s Rogues
After training the clan’s medicine cats, the medics of the Tribe and their hunters leave for home; but are followed by a group of rogues. The Tribe is open to welcoming outsiders, but the rogues set down borders, stole prey from hunters, and eventually attacked the Valley Colony directly; forcing its cats to retreat up-stream.
The Stone and Cave Wards are able to defend their positions, and given enough time they’d outlast and drive the invaders out, but why risk so many lives to do it alone? The Tribe votes to request the help of the Clans knowing their whole culture revolves around warfare and they’d be good at handling this sort of thing.
After all, what else are allies for? The Clans are taken aback by the boldness of just... asking for help (as their culture obviously has an issue with ‘admitting weakness’) but they won’t say no. In fact, they’re a bit taken aback by the way the Tribe is so relaxed about the whole thing; RiverClan and ThunderClan fought a multi-generational war over some rocks and the Stone Wards are ready to play the long game and wait for winter to freeze their enemies to death.
“Why even ask for help if you have it covered?“
“...why would we not? We could just wait, but we’d have to hunt twice as hard on the rest of our land, and we don’t want them to suffer and die over several months either if you can just help us send them on their way.“
Anyway, that’s what I’m planning thus far. It’s particularly difficult to not just completely nuke the Tribe, but here it is, gutted with its bones completely intact. STILL, if anyone has input or ideas or thinks a particular aspect is still sus, hit me up and I’ll do what I can to fix it.
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