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#Yeah that’s it. F the CW supergirl writers.
honeybunhalo · 3 years
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So I’ve been thinking about that Supercorp AU where Kara and Lena raise Kon-El...
Anyway, I’m moving forward on that happy Supercorp + Kon au I have that I was repressing for so long because I was convinced no one would care but you know what. This is for me. Welcome to my self indulgence where I work through things via giving this pseudo clone child a good home and Kara and Lena the domestic life they deserve.
Y’all out here trying to power through the final season of Supergirl (rip your patience and sanity, you brave souls) because I gave up on it like 2? years ago knowing where they weren't going because of the queerbaiting. I can’t withstand watching the end first hand. So I'm peacefully writing an AU where Kara and Lena adopt and raise Kon-El (ie Superboy/Conner Kent Luthor my sweet 90′s punk styled boi) together and get married somewhere in the process because I love their dynamic and I want them to be happy and I might as well give them Kon so he can be properly raised by somebody. I’m always so sad seeing him sidelined in the family by Clark in the comics and Kon doesn’t feel like he really fits into the Kent family. I might as well fuse these two concepts I’m passionate into one thing.
Think about it: Kara and Lena being cute domestic wives and getting to share everything they have with each other and a child who is not only tied to both of them by blood, but wasn’t wanted or immediately accepted by his biological parents (I’m keeping him as being made from Superman and Lex Luthor’s DNA because I think that assists in the storytelling more. and also he’s so ashamed of his ties to Lex in canon and that he was born “wrong” that i feel like changing him to having different bio parents goes against the spirit of his story. He should be loved for who he is not who he’s made from). They get to adopt the kid and give him a place where he is wanted and loved which helps them overcome their own childhood traumas. THAT’S THE GOOD SHIT
I already made a meme to convey my passion for this idea
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I would die for this AU (that I need to give it a name at some point) and I have no one I know who likes Supercorp to share it with. I have so many sketches and little bits of writing for this that I never posted. Please let me know if anyone is interested in this.
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karazor--el · 4 years
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Nicole Maines & 'Supergirl' Take on Violence Against the Trans Community
Supergirl flies into new and socially relevant territory tonight with an hour that explores the impact of violence against members of the trans community.
As the home of TV’s first-ever transgender superhero in Nicole Maines‘s Nia Nal, aka Dreamer, the show has already excelled at raising awareness of matters key to the LGBQT community, but this time, it’s literally a life-altering storyline. Per the Human Rights Campaign’s website, “2020 has already seen at least three transgender or gender non-conforming people fatally shot or killed by other violent means. We say at least because too often these stories go unreported—or misreported.”
A look at stars like Stephen Amell, Ruby Rose, and Melissa Benoist who’ve appeared on the big screen before, during, or after CW superhero gigs.
In the episode, entitled “Reality Bytes,” Nia’s roommate Yvette (Roxy Wood), who is also a trans woman, is brutally attacked by an ignorant stranger who can’t handle Dreamer being a transgender hero. Stunned at first, then shook into action, Nia refuses to stand silent, leading to some serious and important conversations with Kara (Melissa Benoist) and the superfriends about exactly what Nia—and Maines, herself—face on a regular basis.
Here, the always enlightening actress and advocate opens up about the need for TV like this and what can be done to hopefully save lives in the future.
How are you doing? Because you have all done really well by this character.
Nicole Maines: Yes. I’m so happy with how Dreamer has really become her own superhero. I was just looking at her yesterday and she really has kind of become her own unique hero. Dream Girl [the comic-book version] is one hero, but I feel like Dreamer just has such a really different feel from Dream Girl. She’s become, in the past two seasons, her own entity and her own person, and that makes me really happy.
This character showed up with a lot on her shoulders, as far as what she stood for socially and for the trans community. But the writers have given her an entirely fleshed-out life, with romance and personal relationships, all that stuff. It’s really cool that it wasn’t just kind of putting down a flag and making a statement, it was actually creating a character and giving her a life.
Yeah, totally. She is a three-dimensional, fully fleshed-out character, and I have just come to love her so much.
The couple shared the news in fun posts on Instagram.
Now, this episode looks at violence against the trans community, which is a real thing — it’s insane how underreported this is.
Absolutely, and that’s something that we touch on this episode: exactly how common this is and how no one really understands that. And of course Supergirl, as just a beacon of hope, is coming to Nia and saying, “Listen, you know, we do this every week, we’re going to get this guy,” and Nia’s like “No, we don’t do this every week. I do and the community, they do this every day. You do this never.”
So it’s showing Dreamer as a member of the trans community and as a guardian of the trans community that is going through this and understanding exactly what she’s going through. And it shows Yvette knowing what she’s gone through and understanding her situation as a trans woman.
And how does Kara take this attack on Yvette? Because you know Kara always beats herself up for not being Supergirl enough.
Yeah, she’s panicked and worried for Yvette and for Nia. Her first instinct is “Are you okay? I came as soon as I heard!” and then it’s “We’re going to get this guy” and “You take care of Yvette, I’m Supergirl, I’ve got this.” But then Dreamer is saying “No, I’ve got this.” And she’s also working with William (Staz Nair) to make sure that this is reported accurately.
And the attack on Yvette isn’t by a meta, correct?
No, and that’s what’s so scary about it and so different about this. It isn’t some supervillain, this isn’t a metahuman, this isn’t an alien, it’s not someone with a tragic backstory, you know, “a love lost so I have to become a villain.” This is just someone whose narrative we’ve heard a bunch of times before.
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I just saw it the other day…people online were talking about this episode and they were like, “Oh, well Dreamer’s just, you know, tricking dudes into thinking he’s a girl, yadda yadda,” and I’m like, “that is exactly who this supervillain is.” And it just made me laugh so much because they were trying to s**t on this episode and on this storyline and I’m like, “all of the points you’re making are exactly who this villain is and what he says.” And that’s what’s so scary for Dreamer, that this is just a guy who could be anybody, some average—well not average because he’s deranged—but just some physically normal person who is capable of inflicting that much devastation.
I hope that there is a point where you address the fact that Yvette’s attacker represents so many ignorant humans out there whose minds can’t be changed.
Oh, yeah. And that’s really what we talked about [with the writers]. We talked about giving him a backstory, we talked about “Who is this guy?” I pitched making him one of the Agent of Liberty goons and then we decided that it doesn’t really matter who this guy is, it doesn’t matter where he came from, and it doesn’t matter what tragic backstory he has that made him want to attack people.
The point is he set out to attack someone because of who they are. And so it doesn’t really matter who you are, because your actions define who you are and your actions are defining you as a villain. And so Dreamer has this confrontation with him and it is so not what Supergirl normally does. Supergirl is kind of like, “You don’t have to do this, you can still be good.” But this is Dreamer. She is not on a mission to redeem this person.
Dreamer has her powers to help with this situation, but as an advocate for the community, what would you tell members of the trans community facing this? Because they don’t have superpowers.
You have to protect yourself. It is just a matter of caution because it’s scary, especially in the online dating world, which is kind of where this [story] takes place. You do see Yvette in the end trying to take some [precautionary] steps. If you’re going to meet a stranger, bring a friend, go to a public place. But you know it still happens, so it’s about trying to protect yourself, making sure you are surrounded by people you trust, dropping pins on your phone so people know where you are. It’s taking every possible step to try and protect yourself.
Even still, as we see in this episode, bad things do happen. So trans women, we have to protect ourselves because it is a scary world out there and there are so many people who don’t understand and there are so many states where you’re still able to plead “gay panic” in a court of law. It’s almost always thrown out immediately because it’s, pardon my French, a f***ing stupid excuse, but the fact that it is still legally permissible in court is absurd.
So it’s a matter of protecting yourself, but also telling stories like this and doing what we can to try to educate the community about these issues, about the dangers we face. Because one of the other things that I saw people talking about online [is that] they don’t believe the story we’re doing. They were like “This is ridiculous! Who’s attacking trans people because they’re trans?” I’m like “Are you kidding me!?” That’s why this is so important that we’re doing this episode, because people really don’t even comprehend that people are attacking, let alone killing, trans women brutally for who we are.
So you did get to work with the writers to make sure certain points were covered?
Oh yeah. We had a series of points that we made sure were covered and were addressed. Of course, you never know what’s going to wind up on the cutting room floor but we said, “these are the points that we need to make sure are said.”
We made a point to mention the increased risk that trans women of color are at and when we wrote the episode, we talked about how many trans women in 2019 had been the victims of hate-related violence and how many have we lost. And I think at the time of filming it was something like 23 or 24, so we tried to use that actual number and also point out that the real number is actually probably much, much higher because it does go underreported.
Guess Who’s Coming to Dreamer? Nicole Maines Brings ‘Supergirl’ Home for Nia’s Big Episode
Nia and Kara head to a small town where aliens and humans keep it chill.
And how was it for you after the episode wrapped? I imagine this is really close to the bone for you.
It felt good to do. It felt exciting to do this story because, while it is such heart-wrenching material, I was doing it with people who understood, who were excited to be telling this story and to shed some light on this. And of course, getting to do this with Roxy was amazing because just having her on set is always a blessing. And Pierson, despite the character he plays, he’s actually awesome.
And our director, Armen [Kevorkian] was just so… bless him, he and the writers were so open to talking to me. Armen was just so good about talking to me about any little thing and checking with me, making sure I felt like we’re doing things right. And he had the patience of a saint because I had no business, just peering over his shoulder the whole time, especially when they were doing the scene where Yvette gets attacked. I was there right next to the director, I had my headphones on and was like, “What’s going on? How are we doing?” I was so overprotective of this episode. [Laughs]
That’s hilarious. Next thing is you’re going to be directing an episode next season.
Oh god, I don’t think I’m ready for that. I think I’m better at micromanaging people against their will. [Laughs] I say that, but there wasn’t anything to micromanage because Armen totally understood what we were doing, he understood the importance of this episode and he’s just a fabulous director otherwise. So, doing this with him was just phenomenal and he did such an amazing job. We’re all so excited for people to see this episode.
Supergirl, Sundays, 9/8c, The CW
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tinnefoil · 6 years
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Dear Asshole Supercorp Fans
1.) Stop pretending the show baited you. The show was as upfront about their intentions as they can be. From episode 1 on. Just because you stuffed your fingers into you ears and didn’t want to hear it doesn’t mean that it wasn’t there. They promised you nothing.
You know what baiting is? 
Teasing the idea that something will happen to keep you on the hook with no intention of delivering. 
You know what the opposite of baiting is? 
Telling you it’s not there/it’s not gonna happen. 
And yet any time anybody associated with the show hints that it might not be a thing YOU get offended and act like that’s an insult that they would dare to tell you. Just like you howl in anger when the characters on the show say or do something that violates your head canon/would maybe close the door on some interpretations if you actually didn’t immediately strike them from reality as invalid. 
You can’t at the same time run around and go on about how baiting is this horrible amoral thing and then throw a shitstorm any time a show does anything to make its goals clear. That just makes you look like assholes who only pretend to be concerned about these things because you just want to browbeat people into giving you exactly what you want. By creating a fake scenario where the only acceptable choice is them doing exactly what you tell them to do. 
HAVING TWO FEMALE CHARACTERS HAVE A GOOD, MEANINGFUL STORYLINE TOGETHER IS NOT BAITING. Female characters having meaningful relationships that are not about sex should be the casual norm. Because an actually surprisingly big chunk of real life women are straight and they still have meaningful relationships with other women. 
You acting like any meaningful storyline between two female characters must have been created with the sole intention of torturting you is just selfish asshole behavior to the max. 
(btw, and let’s not pretend that f/f shippers haven’t profitted off sexist male culture, because many male creators think girl on girl is hot and actually less of an upset of the patriarchy and less hard to write than a woman and a man who is “not alpha”, not as strong as her or a popular white woman and a black man) 
2.) Stop pretending shipping Supercorp is all about representation. 
Supergirl has representation. It’s called Alex and Alex&Maggie and Alex&Sara and Alex&whoever she chooses to be with in the future. Alex is not some no-name bit character. She is the secondary lead, she is the person with the second most screentime after Kara. She matters. 
And before you whine “it’s not representation unless it’s the lead”. => If you want a lead, hey look, it’s right there around the corner, it’s called Sara Lance, the lead of Legends of Tomorrow (also Korra and Bo and Xena). Are you over there supporting that because it is great representation, writing fic, making arts, posting meta, creating media buzz? Or are you over here obsessiving over one particular show/actress/pairing because your personal narrative kinks are more important than supporting creators and shows and actresses that do actual representation? 
Representation is representation regardless of whether the character or ship floats your personal boat or whether the actress in question gets your personal motor running or whether that particular character’s story reminds you of your personal bio. 
No, you don’t have to ship and support something just because it is representation. You don’t control what floats your boat. You can love something else even if actual representation exists right next to it. But then stop pretending that your concern is representation when it’s actually about your personal ship/actress preferences. 
It’s not the job of representation of fill your and everybody else’s personal preferences. 
And for fuck’s sake, stop making the CW the mustache twirling villain in your conspiracy theories. The network that aired the first male on male superhero kiss in a world where a gazillion superhero movies and tv shows exist. The network where 3 out of 5 supehero shows will have canon queer women in core roles (Sara Lance, the lead of Legends, Alex Danvers, second most important character on Supergirl, Anissa Piece, the daughter of the lead character and fellow superhero on Black Lightning). The network that will allow John Constantine be bisexual when his home network NBC didn’t allow it. 
There is jack shit proof that the CW makes shows do stupid shit rather than the CW just letting shows do what they want, as in, whether its adding queer characters or writing them off. And yeah, there have been missteps like using the fake Betty/Veronica kiss as promotion on Riverdale. But I like to think they learned, for example by not plastering the big girl on girl one night stand in the crossover all over the promotion. 
The reason why you hate the CW is BECAUSE they actually have queer representation. If they had zero then you wouldn’t have anything to complain or suffer about it. But what that means is that you shit all over the person who gives you 50 bucks (because it should have been 80, you fucking asshole, how dare you give me 50!) while letting the person who gives you zero bucks off scott free. How about you take a fucking step backward and realize that your shipping concerns are not the same as being concerned of issues of representation. 
And I get it, shipping is a scary personal thing. But it’s not the same as representation and it does not justify treating the CW worse than channels that do zero representation. 
And no, queer fannish life shouldn’t just be relegated to just representation. There is many good arguments about moving beyond representation. But that’s precisely why you need to stop using representation as an excuse then about things that are about personal taste rather than using this as a fake club when you want to browbeat people into supporting your particular narrative kink ship. 
If the rollercoaster ride of CW shows’ writing is bad for your soul, by all means, back away from it, stick to more mature networks or media, like many webshows, specifically for a queer audience rather than a mixed one. Even warn others. You can give them kudos from a distance for the actual representation work they do without getting emotionally invested. 
Also? You bragging about how Katie McGrath supposedly can’t play straight and can’t sell any straight pairings in any show she is on? Is just you bragging that she’s a shitty actress who is incapable of doing the basics of her job description. You wouldn’t praise an actress for being incapable of selling a queer storyline, so why is this different? Shitty acting is shitty acting. And not being able to sell “the characer is in love” when the script says “this character is in love” is shitty acting. And that’s not something to be proud about. (note that some of you claim that about her in other shows as well, so it’s hardly an excuse to claim that she supposedly, in your headcanon, is passive agressively refusing to do her job, as a protest against bad writers) 
=> I actually don’t think that she’s that shit. But then I also don’t brag about her being incompetent while at the same time calling myself her fan. 
If you are a Supercorp shipper who hasn’t done any of this? Awesome. Then this post isn’t for you. This is specifically for asshole Supercorp shippers. 
By all means, keep shipping, keep hoping, keep petitioning, but don't act like you were promised anything or like the network is failing representation just because you didn't get the particular ship you wanted.
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So yeah
Floriana Lima is leaving Supergirl in season three which means that Maggie Sawyer is going to be written out
Which means that the series is no longer going to have an openly and canonically lesbian couple in its cast. Which means that I won’t be watching it, because it’s the only thing about this series that I ever remotely gave a shit about or cared about
I DESPISE stories about m/f romance. I despise that talentless piece of crap Chris Wood who plays Mon El the single worst character on Network television. I can’t fucking stand heterosexual “Relationships” in fiction in general and the GARBAGE that is Kara with that filthy little fratboy space trash in particular. Heterosexuality in fiction to me is about as interesting as paint drying on a wall
The ONLY REASON I watched Supergirl season two was to see Alex and Maggie as a lesbian couple. The only reason I WAS going to watch season three was for the same...but as it’s clear that Maggie is either going to be written out or worse, killed off in this season: I’ve got no reason to give a shit about it
And neither does any other queer fan of the show
Something the CW needs to understand: its queer fans aren’t here because we’re gripped by the “Writing” you people have in your shows. We’re here because of getting to see ourselves represented. We’re here because your series feature LGBTQIA representation and we’re ONLY here for that. If you seriously think your shows are somehow “Good” enough to do okay without that then I have some bad news for you
Your not great writers, Your not creating some timeless classic that will be remembered forever. Your fucking McDonalds. If you don’t give us our fucking order, we’re gonna take our money elsewhere.
No lesbian couple on this show? Say goodbye to every single queer woman who ever spent our time and our money on your series. Say goodbye to positive reviews and word of mouth. Say goodbye to us recommending your series to anyone or having anything nice to say about it
Just like that garbage The 100, your show was only ever worth anything to us when it had something we wanted on it, namely representation of an openly and canonically lesbian couple who were portrayed well. You’re taking that away from us and especially stupidly, doing so after the rest of the cast of the show proved themselves to be a bunch of jerks.
Say hi to Agent Carter when you get a look at the ratings this season and realise that season four REALLY isn’t gonna be happening
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geekinggrounds-blog · 7 years
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The CW-Verse Part 1
By T.a.B. Oh, Jesus, where to start on all this? Honestly, I'm unsure if I have what it takes to be a writer for anything, much less a blog post for the boys at NerdCorp, but I'll give it a shot.
So where to began? If you say Arrow -Jeopardy buzzer sound- Wrong, CW's love of all things DC started with Smallville, which in my opinion was... eh, OK at best. It was the first live action comic TV series that lasted more than a handful of seasons (the 90's Flash TV series and Birds of Prey, I'm looking at you); and before anyone says "Oh, Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman lasted 4 seasons," like I said, a "handful" of Seasons.  Up until two years ago, it was The CW's longest running series (now surpassed by CW's Supernatural, which at the time of this writing has been renewed for a record 13th season).
Touching back to Smallville, it chronicles (The CW's) take on the last son of Krypton's journey from his teen years until the time he puts on the iconic suit and shield. In between Season 1 and the end of season 10, we have all the staples of Superman: Pete Rose, Lana Lang, Lois Lane, Jimmy Olsen, Ma and Pa Kent, Lex Luthor, Martian Manhunter, Supergirl, Booster Gold, Aquaman, Impulse, Dr Fate, and CW's first take on the Emerald Archer, Green Arrow.  And, of course, where there are Heroes, the Villains shall rise, and rise they do with Livewire, General Zod, and Mother F***ing DOOMSDAY.  Yeah, you heard it right, The CW did Doomsday LONG before Zack Snyder gave us a Zod/Luthor hybrid, and honestly for as cheesy as the CW's take on the Monster who killed the Man of Steel was, he looked almost spot-on to the comics, jagged bone spikes and an untapped limitless pool of strength, and all.  Hey, you have to be badass to kill Superman, right?
But for all the somewhat-good Smallville did for Superman, there was sooooooo, sooooo much very wrong with it.  As the seasons went on, the drama was just another layer of frosting, and with each passing season, those layers got thicker and thicker.  Nonsensical plots and story lines aside, I rate it a 7/10, worth a watch just to say you have watched it, if only for Erica Durance as Lois Lane and Laura Vandervoort as Supergirl.
"Flash" forward a year.  Oct 10th, 2012, The CW drops a Bombshell on the viewing public in the dorm of Arrow.  I will say this, I'm a HUGE, totally huge mark for the TV show.... but even I can see in the first few seasons that Arrow was CW's shot at bringing a live action Batman to the small screen.  Anyone who can't see that right off the "bat" needs their eyes checked. But to be perfectly honest with you, I was OK with them rehashing classic Batman tales and putting a different twist on them, That's what made "DC's Elseworld and Marvel's What If tales so enjoyable; take someone we love from a story we love and redo it a different way.
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