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kindlythevoid · 6 months
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It’s really beautiful how Tolkien takes the time to honor the dead. After Gandalf’s death, they take the time in Lothlorien to deal with their grief and sing their laments, but as there is no body, that’s all they can do.
But when Boromir dies, even when Aragorn has to make the decision to either pursue Frodo or Merry and Pippin, and both are rapidly growing farther from the three left, they take the time to honor their friend. They don’t leave immediately, even though efficiency would dictate otherwise. No, instead they take the time to decide how to “bury” him (quotations only because it’s not burying in the strictest sense of the word, but rather reverently dealing with Boromir’s body). And then they gather trophies of his last stand and arrange them in the boat with him, taking time to “[comb] his long dark hair and [array] it upon his shoulders.”
How many times have other adventurers dedicated valuable time to honor the bodies of fallen companions, specifically to this extent? More often than not, they have to leave them behind, or only take the time to fold their arms or close their eyes.
Occasionally, they’ll build a pyre or bury them or whatnot, but it’s always after the battle that they set aside a significant chunk of time, or they live up to the term of fantasy (which isn’t a bad thing!) and there is no time wasted in building a cairn or burial or what-have-you.
My point is that time is spent, time that could be used for more “productive” things, such as, I don’t know, pursuing Merry and Pippin whose lives are at stake. And it isn’t framed as a bad thing, because it isn’t! Each life is precious, even when only the body is left. And they take the, well, the time to acknowledge this, in a reasonable and conservative way. (And when I say conservative, I mean that they pick the burial most fitting for their running clock, balancing both their need for a grieving period as well as the haste that the hobbits will require.)
I can’t speak to the rest of the deaths in the books as I haven’t caught up and refreshed my memory, but I will touch on another death, this time in the movie, that shares the same theme.
Theodred.
While he certainly hasn’t been totally forgotten by the fandom, I believe it is fair to say that he gets less discussion. Which is fair, considering he gets almost no active dialogue that I can remember and he is unconscious for most, if not all, of his screen time (and book time) before dying shortly after.
And one could say it’s because he’s a prince, one could say it’s because he was the heir, etc., etc. But it honestly makes no sense to dedicate all that time to preparing and putting on a large funeral when Saruman is right at Rohan’s door and there are so many bigger and more impactful decisions to be making now that Theoden has his mind back.
But, again, it isn’t criticized in the movie. It isn’t treated as the wrong decision. The people, included Theoden, needed time to mourn and Theodred deserved to be honored, even in death, even as the great forces of orcs and Uruk-hai were marching across Rohan.
Time is valuable, time is precious, and it should be wasted, especially when you’re trying your hardest to make sure you and yours survive. But time is meaningless if you don’t use it to live and subsequently honor those who have lived.
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it's really sad, actually:
the lord of the rings was made into three (really good) films, even though each book could have easily held three on its own - like nerdy people like me who love to nitpick on details notice (especially me who misses all my favourite scenes that had to be cut short for cinematic value or whatever).
but the hobbit, a single book, was really unnecessarily (and honestly really badly) expanded into three films - and there is so much included that never happened or is straight up ridiculous and doesn't feel like middle earth anymore At All.
while i totally understand the choices made about lotr (or most of them, stickler for details that i am) and love the films, i have absolutely no clue what they were thinking about the hobbit. why include characters and storylines that never existed? there is so much to work with already! besides the fact that it is a single book and sort of a prequel to lotr and not cut out to last for three films in the first place.
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puukkolesbo · 5 months
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*Arrives several days later with a smoothie* ❤️ so. 1,19, 20 for the 50 dnd questions?
*answers late with no smoothie*
1. What do you think your d&d race would be?
THIS QUESTION HAS RUINED ME. i've been wracking my brain this whole time!! it's why i'm answering so late!
in my heart i'm a dwarf, but short bullies (my roommate when we marathon tolkien movies) have told me i'm too tall to claim dwarves
i guess i'm what happens when dwarf and a firbolg have a baby (or finns at large are? idk) or more realistically just a human, but that's so boooriiiiiing
19. How did you discover D&D?
i'm........ not sure? i was vaguely aware of it since i was a pre-teen, i guess, bc dnd community and anime conventions overlapped, but since i had been told to never play any roleplaying games by my dad, i didn't even stop to think about ever playing myself. then, when adventure zone became a big thing in my tumblr circle (waaay before i ever listened to it) i became more aware of the fact that this might be something i would like. it was only after finally starting to listen to an actual play podcast - the mortal path - tho that i really thought to myself, "i have to try this"
20. If you run a homebrew game, give an out of context spoiler.
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50. Any question you want!
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41. Give an out of context quote from one of your games!
"David. Goljath. Rock. Us. Victory!!"
will forever hold my heart<3
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amethysttribble · 2 years
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How are you feeling about Rings of Power? I know it's a bit controversial with Tolkien fans, but I'm personally very excited that they take freedom and creativity in the spaces JRRT left in middle earth.
I'd love to talk about this with you one-on-one, anon, because I've written and deleted this answer several times. I have more things I want to say, but I don't feel comfortable opening them up to the court of public opinion, so to speak.
In lieu of that, I've debated how I want to approach this answer. In the end, my answer on my personal feelings on the /show/ as an entity unto itself: I've liked some of what I've seen, disliked other bits. I'm resolved to Wait and See.
But you mention being excited vs. the fandom backlash, and my only comment on that can be this quote from Charles Edwards, the actor playing Celebrimbor-
“There’s actually a little note scrawled in a margin by Tolkien saying ‘not sure about this, should have changed it’, or something along those lines. In order to start building a character, that’s very exciting. There’s a blueprint, but there hasn’t been any colouring in and it’s down to me and everyone else to create him. That has been really exciting. So, considering the two or three versions that Tolkien had of the character, which in themselves differ from each other, our version is a composite. And then a little bit more.”
and THAT more than anything gives me... not hope, but peace.
Cause like, dude, that's how i think about it! That's what I love so, so much about Tolkien's works and characters and being in this fandom. It's the /freedom/ of interpretation and building a character out of scraps and the different versions and the co-existence of those different version. YES! You're right about the freedom and creativity anon, and this guy obviously gets it too.
Idk about how everyone else working on this massive project thinks and I didn't even particularly like what Edwards had to say about his interpretation of Celebrimbor, but I don't even care anymore.
Be excited for his version, hate his version, write your own version, this is blanket freedom and permission- not that anyone needed it but I’m floored he said it.
That one quote, from an actor who is obviously taking this very seriously, encapsulated everything I love about Tolkien and his characters and earned a lot of goodwill from me. I'd love to sit down and talk with him about Tyelpe. I'll have to watch the first three episodes to see if I like his fanfic, tho.
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rogue-durin-16 · 2 years
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MATCHUP FOR:
@tolkien-fantasy
Hey, could I please get a Stranger Things matchup? Eddie Munson has consumed my entire life and I need content lol
I'm 19 years old, bisexual and on the Autism spectrum with ADHD. I'm studying to become a TV and Cartoon writer but I'm applying to D&D stores in the meantime (very on brand). I'm really smart but can get nervous easily, but once I get comfortable I'm super excitable and open. I might seem shy at first but play Dungeons & Dragons or talk about shared interests with me and I totally come out of my shell and am super hyperactive. I try to be nice to everyone but I draw the line when I need to. I'm good at giving advice but have no self-preservation skills whatsoever - high wisdom, low intelligence stats. I compulsively research anything that interests me and am very good at making funny comments too.
I'm really short, like 4' 11" (149 cm) kinda short. I'd only come up to a regular person's shoulder at best. I have wild wavy brown hair, glasses, and am slender and actually pretty toned - you can see my abs really well. I'm currently wearing an AC/DC crop top (aka a tshirt that I cut into a crop top lmao)
From Stranger Things I Ship You With:
Chrissy Cunningham
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Ship dynamic:
She Was A Punk x She Did Ballet™
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«Sweet mother I cannot weave, Aphrodite has overcome me with longing for a girl.»
I have so many thoughts about this.
You definitely crushed on Chrissy at some point in middle school/freshman year. She's easy to crush on, but it was completely bearable.
When Chrissy crushes on you tho— DAMN is it hard for her lmao. And she doesn't even know she's crushing because by GOD she's as straight as an arrow in every sense. Right?
And you're not. You're messy and fun and cool, but not in the way Jason's cool— you're nerdy cool. That makes Chrissy feel... tingly.
She sees you sitting on the opposite side of her English class and wishes she could be a bit more like you. Or at least be closer to you.
Chrissy definitely does NOT approach you. She'll go under cardiac arrest for so many reasons. She doesn't particularly agree with the highschool hierarchy bullshit, but it's all she knows and she can't just lose that.
So she just observes you in the cafeteria, and wonders if your friends are aware of how lucky they are to have someone like you.
Now, let me draw the paired-up-in-class card for you two because I am so going with this trope.
She may be the Queen of Hawkins High, but Chrissy's not a straight A's girl by any means, so when you're matched together for a project, she feels super insecure because oh my god you're super smart and she doesn't want you to think she's stupid.
You're super nice to her and that throws her off at first because yeah, she knows you're the sweetest, but she wasn't expecting someone like YOU to be nice to someone like HER.
You're hella shy at first, but Chrissy's surprisingly easy to talk to, so when she looks at you with attentive blue eyes and an open smile, you just... Loosen up immediately.
And so a casual friendship blooms.
It takes her a hot second to get used to your antics because you're so random and she loves it.
You giving Chrissy dating advice before you get together while being completely oblivious at the fact that she wants to date you.
Chrissy dolling up whenever she knows you're going to see her.
Headcanonning Eddie Munson as your best friend because it's the natural course of action, like, we were going to end up here.
Okay so, you really like Chrissy Cunningham now. Shocker. She's not only fucking stunning, but also thoughtful, sweet and has a lovely laugh.
You're pretty sure she likes Eddie when she starts to make some... Interesting fashion choices.
Like wearing an AC/DC shirt to class. Ballsy.
Eddie smacks some sense into you because it's pretty fucking obvious that Chrissy gets giddy whenever you talk to her.
You helped her through her ED even before getting together. She just Trusts you enough to tell you, and you prove to her she did the right thing by sharing that information with you.
Headcanonning an unlikely yet close friendship between Robin and Chrissy AFTER SHE SURVIVES VECNA BECAUSE SHE'S NOT DYING.
Btw you so are the happy memory that keeps her safe from Vecna.
Chrissy isn't stupid, she Knows™ about Robin, so one night she confesses to our lesbian queen that she might like girls too. Well more like one girl.
Cue Robin and Eddie plotting to get you to date each other because it's painful to watch you two interact.
Chrissy kisses you first.
It's after her first D&D session because you talk about the game so excitedly that she finally agreed to play and so the geekification of Chrissy Cunningham started.
She's so awkward about it at first because she doesn't how to approach the situation (the situation being... your height) but she's a quick learner.
Chrissy braids your hair and puts flowers in it. I don't make the rules.
You're her comfort person. Cue Chrissy grasping onto your hans whenever she's about to break. Also she definitely asks you to make up stories to tell her when you two are about to go to sleep.
She's the self-preservation instinct you don't have.
The Head Cheerleader goes rogue while dating you, because you teach her she can be nice AND have boundaries and that's cathartic.
You take Chrissy into your house too many nights because rebelling against her mother doesn't always have a good outcome.
Chrissy's mother tried to get you out of the house with a crucifix at least once. Bonus points if you pretend to be possessed. I don't even know what reason to give you, I just know it happened.
Everyone in the gang is very supportive and protective of you two. Eddie gave you the nickname of the hobbit couple, and you hate him deeply for that, because now whenever y'all need codenames, that's automatically yours.
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fangirl-erdariel · 1 year
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Quote time (Finnish music edition :---D)!
Be it distance or time, nothing can keep us apart
I will protect you from everything that you'll ever think to fear
I thought I was disappearing / but I still found my way back
I've rowed a boat on a foggy morning
There is no such darkness / that my fragile hand cannot defy
In the background, a sun that does not warm us
Today we can be Kings, just for a moment
Life is just a daydream of song
I mean given that most of the quotes I sent to you were from songs on one specific Finnish album I've been listening to today (and then two I think were from Finrod-zong because I'm unreasonably in love with it) that's very fair :D
"Be it distance or time, nothing can keep us apart" - I haven't written any Old Guard fic but I feel like this would be a Nicky/Joe thing tbh (I need to watch Old Guard again I love those fools so much)
"I will protect you from everything that you'll ever think to fear" - hmm. lots of options :D For some reason my mind is going to Silmarillion, Elrond and Elros as children, Elros sort of looking after Elrond (since I headcanon that between the two, Elrond was much more shy and wary, and Elros was kind of the brave one a lot of the time). Of course, neither of them ever think to fear that they might one day be separated. There's many horrible things in the world, many dangers, the threat of death and destruction hanging over all the world every moment of every day, but surely, whatever fate befalls them, they'll face it together, right?
"I thought I was disappearing / but I still found my way back" - for some reason I'm thinking DS9 and Garashir. Maybe Julian for whatever reason means to or tries to run away (maybe after the whole mess about him being an augment and all that) and somehow manages to slip away without even Garak figuring out in time... and then he returns. Because he cannot leave. Because his home, his heart (both in romantic and platonic sense) is at DS9.
"I've rowed a boat on a foggy morning" this would be something chill, maybe kind of character study-ish. I'd probably take the title and make it sort of symbolical, about the kind of inviting softness of the fog, the way that it dampens the sounds and limits how far you can see. How on one hand it can feel very secure and safe, because it's so quiet and calm and no one can see or hear you. How on other hand it can feel so lonely, and like you're losing your way. I'm not sure which character this would be tho
"There is no such darkness / that my fragile hand cannot defy" - this is about Lúthien. Like, I don't know the plot, but this is about her
"In the background, a sun that does not warm us" - hmm. Maybe a story of the first year after the Fall of Númenor, as Elendil and Isildur and Anárion settle into their new lives and begin building their realms. A story of their grief and loss, and of going forward nonetheless
"Today we can be Kings, just for a moment" - (hey, I actually know where this is from! I think anyway) maybe a story of some of the Finweans in the first age - maybe Galadriel and Finrod, at least, and Turgon and idk let's say Fingon. Their expectations, their desires, their intentions in going to Middle-Earth... and the truth of it, both the good and the bad, of what they actually find there and what they make of their lives there
"Life is just a daydream of a song" - this kinda has a tolkien vibe but I have no idea who or what this would be about
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hoochieblues · 3 years
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lesbiansforboromir · 3 years
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Do you have any headcanons (who am I kidding, I'd bet actual money on you having them) about Denethor & Faramir's vague magical abilities? The Prof really gave me whiplash through mentioning but never elaborating on it. I think you mentioned this topic briefly in other posts but I don't remember one specifically about this (sorry if I'm wrong!) and wondered about your thoughts on that :)
Actually I don't have any hcs about this uwu.... I have canon facts tho! HAHA
That's a lie, I do have hcs about the canon facts as well but ANYWAY.
So Faramir's powers are described twice and, whilst I suppose you could view them as ambiguous, they seem clear to me.
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So here Faramir reads Gollum's mind in order to determine if he is telling the truth or not. He describes the way he perceives another's mind too, with doors, rooms and darkness or light. Then of course there's this bit not a moment later-
'It is called Cirith Ungol.' Gollum hissed sharply and began muttering to himself. 'Is not that its name?' said Faramir turning to him. 'No!' said Gollum, and then he squealed, as if something had stabbed him. 'Yes, yes, we heard the name once. But what does the name matter to us? Master says he must get in. So we must try some way. There is no other way to try, no.'
So here Faramir makes good on his implicit threat in the previous paragraph, it was good that Gollum spoke the truth, because here is the consequence that Faramir can levee upon someone who doesn't. So this shows that Faramir can also manipulate minds as well as read them. It's quite blatant and unsubtle! As far as magic in tolkien goes.
Denethor's abilities however are... I would say subtler? He definitely still has them, but they are far more latent in his behaviour and presence, they don't seem to be so actively used like Faramir's are. Now, Gandalf associates these powers with being of westernesse, and seems to suggest that Faramir's abilities are descended from Denethor's, but as we've talked about Gandalf can be wrong and I actually think it would make more sense for them to come from Finduilas.
Let me explain, and I apologise because I can't be bothered to track down all the quotes but. So canonically, using the Palantiri for a great amount of time and with great skill will actually confer powers upon the user naturally. So Denethor goes to the top of the tower and 'listens' to the north and hears Theoden's approach! Even though they are days from arriving. He can also see into men's hearts and has a 'piercing gaze'. These sound somewhat like Faramir's? But again, they aren't as blatant.
And it's good to note that Aragorn does not have these powers. He is intuitive, but he cannot read minds, he is very attuned but he cannot hear, say, the Uruk Hai coming upon the fellowship. So despite being of equal lineage of Westernesse to Denethor, Aragorn does not possess obviously magical abilities. He also hasn't held a Palantir in all his life until he gets his hands on the Orthanc stone, an experience that 'ages him'. So I would say that it makes more sense for Denethor's powers to have come to him from using the Palantir so diligently, whereas Faramir's come from his mother.
Because elves actually have natural mind reading abilities! Osanwe (mind speech) used to be the elf's native language until Morgoth arrived. And whilst one could argue that some elven blood is in at least Elros' line, that is from so long ago now that it truly cannot have any noticeable effect on the dunadain now. Finduilas on the other hand can name her ancestor who married an elf and can trace her lineage right back to her. The Princes of Dol Amroth also live by an elven haven and the sea in general so the aspects of these powers were certainly encouraged.
I TALK A LOT MORE ABOUT MY HC ABOUT DOL AMROTHIAN SPOOKY ELF POWERS HERE
I think thats that, the last post goes into more detail about power specifics and how they work to some degree so!
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crossdressingdeath · 3 years
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Look, not to be the nerd I am but... there are books where "hey this doesn't really work in canon?" is kind of fun and then there's "this doesn't fucking work and you'd have to pur thousands of hours into making it work" aka HP. Like LOTR? The Hobbit? There are things that don't really make sense! Like Thranduil, the father of Legolas, is described as having golden hair and that doesn't work because he's a Sinda, which means he should've dark hair or at most silver hair if he was like... actually related to the royal family. He is not mentioned in any version of their family tree, thus it just... doesn't make sense? There is a quote from Gandalf that basically goes: "The Rings of Power may abandon their wearer, the wearer does so not" and Círdan gives his ring up to Gandalf. There's geographical stuff that doesn't work in Tolkien's works but here's the thing: this is fun? Like... it's fun to interpret these things, it's fun to look for an explanation to these things, it's interesting!! Maybe that's just Tolkien's works tho, since there are different versions of events and characters and their relationships and it's always uncertain what exactly is canon. In contrast to a certain HP author Tolkien didn't plan a series, he just wrote a book for kids and expanded the universe over decades?? So there's bound to be some inconsistency, especially if you look up how much there actually is. (Pretty sure like this year new notes from Tolkien are supposed to be released? Concerning the very troubling matter of Elves with beards (that exist btw!! Círdan and Mahtan both have beards and are elves... very very very old elves tho))
It’s one of those things where there comes a point where the author clearly tried and cared about their worldbuilding and you see a part that doesn’t make sense or doesn’t quite match up with the story and you either have fun trying to find a way to make it work or you just let it go because nobody’s perfect. Tolkien’s worldbuilding has holes in it, sure, but the rest of it is so detailed and just generally so good that you can forgive it? Meanwhile HP you have to ignore shit and/or make up a bunch of shit to come anywhere near functional worldbuilding.
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kindlythevoid · 6 months
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“Gimli was lifted up [onto the horse] behind his friend, and he clung to [Legolas], not much more at ease than Sam Gamgee in a boat.”
-The Two Towers pg. 35
Friendly reminder that the one time Gimli got onto a horse for the first time and hated it so much that he was compared to Sam in a boat, who had multiple paragraphs dedicated to how much he hated boats.
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adwendoodles · 4 years
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some Silmarillion Tarot Card sketches (very messy, very unreferenced) ~
Pictured here are The Moon (Sauron), The Tower (Turin), The Sun (Tuor and Idril sail for Valinor), The Star (Earendil and Elwing looking down at their children), Wheel of Fortune (Maedhros and Fingon), The High Priestess (Melian teaching Galadrien) and last but not least, The Lovers (Luthien and Beren, old and happy)
Some (super long) rambling under the cut
I’ve wanted to do this for a while and nothing gets me wanting to start a new, complex, probably out of my skill range project like the imminent return of the school year amid covid :D you gotta seize the day, you know?
jokes aside I am happy to have started this... but it’s so hard to match everyone up. I’m trying to at least kinda follow the tarot meanings. i don’t know anything about tarot though, so so far my matches are based on what wikipedia tells me... (and even then it’s mostly what they quote from A. E. Waite's Pictorial Key To The Tarot, copy pasted below)
Anyway if anyone is curious what the deck so far is:
- The Magician: “Skill, diplomacy, address, subtlety, pain, loss, disaster, snares of enemies; self-confidence, will“
I NEARLY MADE MAEDHROS THIS but he’s already part of the wheel of fortune so i’m thinking Finrod
- The High Priestess: “Secrets, mystery, the future as yet unrevealed, silence, wisdom, science”
This was a toss up between Galadriel (who would be this if it was a LOTR spread) and Melian (who was my first and final pick). My card designs for this vary between symbolic bs and small smattering of scenes that I like, so I went ‘both characters’ and thus this card shows Melian teaching Galadriel how to use the water mirror thing
- The Empress: “Fruitfulness, action, initiative, length of days; the unknown, clandestine; also difficulty, doubt, ignorance. “
For obvious reasons I want this to be a female... I’m thinking Aredhel due to her taking action in leaving Gondolin but then ending up with Eol. If Idril hadn’t already been part of the Sun card I probably would have gone with her building the stairs.... 
Honestly now I’m half tempted to change the sun card and have this be Idril. Any thoughts?
- The Emperor: “ Stability, power, protection, realization; a great person; aid, reason, conviction also authority and will. “
I went with Fingolfin for this, though I haven’t gotten a design I like. Could also be Turgon? But again, no design. I was thinking Fingolfin holding his crown... idk. i’ll figure something else.
- The Hierophant - “Marriage, alliance, captivity, servitude; by another account, mercy, and goodness; inspiration”
I went with Gwindor (and Finduilas, who in my current design also shows up in the card) for this due to the marriage troubles and his capture by morgoth, as well as the fact that Finduilas was able to recognize him and still cared for him... . Though now that Aredhel’s place as the empress might be instead taken by Aredhel, she actually fits this...
- The Lovers: “-Attraction, love, beauty, trials overcome. “
THIS WAS ALWAYS GONNA BE BEREN AND LUTHIEN lets be real. i mean. attraction??? love???? beAUTY??? TRIALS OVERCOME??? i swear tolkien just checked off every thing
For their card I went with something I’ve never really seen in fanart---at least not often/that I can remember. I kinda wanted to draw them old and happy; I was very much inspired by Carl and Ellie from UP... they’re probably the only couple in all of the silmarillion that got to grow old together and die happy
- The Chariot - “ Succour, providence also war, triumph, presumption, vengeance, trouble. “
I went with Aegnor and Angrod for this one, because they held one part of the border against morgoth for 500 years. That’s a lot of time!!! then they died, of course, which is the ‘vengeance and trouble’ part of the card. dunno about the design for them yet tho
- Strength - “ Power, energy, action, courage, magnanimity; also complete success and honors. “
i was so torn on who to do this for. fingolfin??? one of the sons of feanor??? fingon??? finrod “i wrestled a werewolf to death” felagund????
but so far my favorite pic is Hurin. Dude was so strong, not just literally... but in everything he had to live through... all i think about when i read this card description is his final desperate charge in the Nirnaeth... brb gave my self feels
bc the ‘complete success’ part is very ironic
alternatively this card (or the chariot) could be glorfindel and ecthelion. if anyone reads this and has an opinoon, lemme know what you think~
- The Hermit - “ Prudence, circumspection; also and especially treason, dissimulation, roguery, corruption. “
I don’t know who to do this for... I considered Ulfang but tbh I wanted to draw more elves (what, im biased i admit it). so far i’m thinking curufin and celegorm in nargothrond because--
1. the reason they turned nargothrond against finrod was by encouraging them to be prudent and not go pick a fight with morgoth lmao
2. the whole ‘turning nargothrond against its king’ is definitely treason of some sort, to the cause if not to finrod himself
3. what action of theirs in the ley of leithian isn’t rogueish klajfdsd
- Wheel of Fortune: “ Destiny, fortune, success, elevation, luck, felicity. “
I went with Maedhros and Fingon for this one because I feel like they’re two characters that are constantly influencing each other’s destiny like
1. Fingon’s friendship with Maedhros causes him to jump into the fray at alqualonde and thus turn the tide of the battle but
2. Maedhros’ friendship with Fingon is not enough to sway Feanor, thus leaving the only other path to middle earth for fingon and co through the helcaraxe
3. due to the above, the noldor forces in beleriand are not enough for a decisive initial battle and feanor dies and maedhros is captured...
4. fingon rescues maedhros (thus saving him from a destiny of slavery)
5. this action prevents civil war and maedhros gives up the kingship, which fingon inherits
5. maedhros union and everything that leads up to fingon’s death
i dont need to go on do i
- Justice - “ Equity, rightness, probity, executive; triumph of the deserving side in law. “
this is another hard one, and if anyone has any ideas i’m all ears. so far i’m thinking eonwe or manwe
- The Hanged Man - “ Wisdom circumspection, discernment, trials, sacrifice, intuition, divination, prophecy. “
IT WAS SO HARD TO NOT GO WITH MAEDHROS FOR THE OBVIOUS REASONS but to me he doesn’t really fit the card??? he’s not very self-sacrificial (as wiki explains the ‘hanged man’ part is interpreted)--dutiful, sure. suicidal, obviously. self-sacrificial? not really.
so i talked with a friend and she pointed out that Huan actually fit this card really well. still trying to figure out the design but so far Huan is my pick for this one.
- Death - “ a change of thinking from an old way into a new way “ & “ unlikely that this card actually represents a physical death, rather it typically implies an end, possibly of a relationship or interest, and therefore an increased sense of self-awareness “
I dunno who this is but I was thinking Finwe. Because his death was the final catalyst for the flight fo the noldor and all that... and the end of the relationship of many noldor with the valar...
- Temperance - “ Economy, moderation, frugality, management, accommodation.“
i have NO IDEA who this could be. I’m thinking either Nerdanel or Arafinwe, leaning a bit more towards Arafinwe bc of actions during the flight of the noldor
- The Devil - “ Ravage, violence, vehemence, extraordinary efforts, force, fatality”
lmao this was always going to be Morgoth 
- The Tower - “ Misery, distress, indigence, adversity, calamity, disgrace, deception, ruin.”
my knee-jerk reaction was to give this to Turgon bc of the name, but the meaning caused me instead to go for Turin. the card is actually one of the doodles added. i’m annoyed that glaurung looks like the cheshire cat but what can be done
- The Star - “ Loss, theft, privation, abandonment; another reading says--hope bright prospects, “
this is one of those serendipitous moments where the name association AND the meaning fit. this was totally Earendil and Elwing. my design for now has them looking down/watching over elrond and elros...
- The Moon - “Hidden enemies, danger, calumny, darkness, terror, deception, occult forces, error. “
This was totally Sauron. Specifically Annatar.
- The Sun - “ reflect happiness and contentment, vitality, self-confidence and success.“
I had no idea who to do this for. I mean. happy characters??? in the silmarillion???? ha. haha. hahahahaha.
i considered doing the men waking up... but idk... i went with Tuor (and Idril) at siphilemon’s suggestion. the doodle shows them seeing Valinor in the distance. but now i want idril to be the empress (and i dont want to repeat characters). so if anyone has a better idea, let me know.
(incidentally, I actually believe that idril and tuor never made it to valinor. i mean, sure i like it because i like everyone in the silm to be happy in the end, but if im serious serious i don’t think they did it. guess its a good thing that there are many silm versions :D)
- Judgement - “Judgement, Rebirth, Inner-calling, Absolution, Karma, Causality, Second chance”
dunno who this could be. if nothing else i’ll probably default to Mandos/Namo
- The World - “Assured success, recompense, voyage, route, emigration, flight, change of place.“
For this many characters could work... my first pick is Elros though. My idea has him sailing for Numenor.
- The Fool- “ Folly, mania, extravagance, intoxication, delirium, frenzy, bewrayment. “
who to do for this, i wondered? in the end i settled for Feanor. Specifically, the Fool(ish) Oath of Feanor. if anyone has any other idea though, im all ears
MAN THAT WAS LONG. did anyone read this far?? if so thank you~ ^-^ and if you have any ideas, let me know. (Specifically-- who should be the empress card, Aredhel or Idril? and if Idril, then what should the Sun card be? just tuor on his own, happy in Gondolin/Valinor?)
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semercury · 3 years
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Okay so WHY does Shipping Wiki list Bruno/Abbachio as "semi canon"??? Y'all pls don't give me false hope 😫😭
(Meanwhile Fugotrish/Giotrish pages: cricket noises 😭)
i honestly didn’t even know there was a shipping wiki lol!
before i attempt to answer your question and give my opinion, i do have to just say like... what does “semi-canon” even mean? and what qualifies as canon? i ask the second one because like. i remember being confused one time when someone said a ship was canon (in a different anime) and i was like “but they never got together?” this person considered it canon because, i believe, the creator said both characters had feelings for each other and it was strongly implied within the text that they had feelings for each other. but because of their roles and jobs, they couldn’t actually be together. so like... does that count as canon? because i feel like, obviously if a couple does start dating, that’s obviously canon. but what about things like that? do reciprocated feelings without an actual romantic relationship count as a ship becoming canon?
which then begs the question what SEMI-canon means at all! does semi-canon mean if the feelings are there but for whatever reason they can’t or don’t end up together? does it mean ONE person has feelings? does it mean it’s strongly implied but never confirmed? like what is the definition? i feel like you can’t categorize something without having a clear cut definition.
(i keep babbling way too much with these and i don’t want to clog up people’s feeds rip)
but as for answering why it says that... i think it’s mostly wishful thinking. wikis can be edited by anyone. i would question the sources and what was cited if they have anything listed. because my understanding is that there really aren’t any canon ships at all in va, at least not with the main cast. like, i think it was pretty clear sorbet and gelato were together as were squalo and tizano (tho i believe even they’re not technically confirmed by araki?), and i guess we could say diavolo/doppio and donatella are a canon couple? but again like... do one night stands/flings that don’t amount to a full relationship count as being canon?
i feel like i was told (and i tried to look up a source, but all i got was like. people yelling about ships and articles with bad takes, as you do when you look up anything to do with ships, so don’t quote me on this) that araki said none of the va crew were in a relationship? that like... he wasn’t writing romance and he was just writing an adventure story. and while i generally don’t take what authors say outside of their works to mean anything important (i’m sorry tolkien, it’s a war allegory. i don’t care what you say.) it like... isn’t a romance and there isn’t a focus on romantic relationships. and while i’m all for finding little nuggets of information and drawing your own conclusions as a reader/viewer, it does also require textual evidence in my book to be considered any kind of canon or formal interpretation of the work. and while i certainly see where fans are coming from with abbacchio and bruno and why they’re shipped together, i don’t feel like there’s enough concrete evidence to confirm anything. i think there’s lots of room for the imagination to fill in blanks and draw lots of different conclusions, but to me, that’s not the same as being canon (or semi-canon, which i still don’t fully understand what that means). (and please also note this is coming from an anime-only. idk if there’s smth in the manga that maybe i’m missing that does confirm something more.)
i have a sneaking suspicion that someone edited the wiki to that because they shipped it and have lots of headcanons that they are treating as canon. and like. fanon can be fun! popular theories and headcanons can be fun! but i feel like a lot of people confuse the popularity of a headcanon with being actually canon. i think they knew they couldn’t get away with marking it actually canon, since there is no confirmation, but since enough people want it, they could get away with semi canon. and i’m not saying it was done maliciously either. i think a lot of people really do want proof and feel that validates their ship.
which like... brings up an unpopular opinion i have, which is like. i prefer shipping non canon ships. a lot of times i don’t want my ships to become canon. i’m in another fandom where i actually ship the main, popular ship (which is shocking for me, as i almost always ship rarepairs or at least like, less popular ships) and the creators have confirmed that the ship will be canon and endgame at some point. and like. i don’t like that. and i’m sure it has to do with how i go about shipping and why i enjoy shipping. i enjoy the what if’s of it all. and coming up with different ways they could get together and why they aren’t together now and what little hints can i use to show why they should end up together. and like. once it becomes canon, idk. like that’s it. everyone now has a concrete answer for how they got together. like show’s over, time to go home.
and i’m aware i have this attitude because i prefer using fandom for transformative works. i enjoy writing and reading fic. i enjoy the creativity and exploration of it all, and i want the freedom to let my imagination run wild and come up with different ideas without having to worry that someone’s going to tell me i didn’t do it like canon, or this canon thing contradicts my idea.
i know some people want their ships to be canon in order to use it as like... some kind of leverage against other shippers. as if having their ship become canon proves they’re superior to people who ship the characters with someone else. like, i’ve been involved in fandom for a long time, and boy oh boy have i seen my fair share of ship wars. and i always thought they were stupid. like. someone shipping a character with someone else does not invalidate your joy from shipping your ship. like at all. and i’ve never understood why people get so angry about it. like this is supposed to be for fun. and like. none of these people exist anyway.
but back to the canon/semi canon stuff... i’m very wary of what a lot of people in this fandom say. i’ve had people tell me certain things happened or certain characters were confirmed this or that only for me to find out that like... no, that didn’t happen at all. there’s a lot of misinformation in this fandom, and i think it’s because it’s so large. it all becomes one huge game of telephone, where someone suggests something and then down the line people are swearing it’s 100% canon. and idk, i do find it harmful to a degree. because there’s instances like what you’re describing, where you’re getting false hope. or there’s times where like i’ve had opinions formed for me about certain characters because of things i’ve been told only to find out they were completely false. (the best example i can think of off the top of my head is about jolyne. since i’m anime only, i really don’t know much about her. someone told me she wanted to have sex with snails, and i was like well idk if i’d like a character who wants to have sex with snails?? that just seems weird. and i told my friends who have actually read the manga, and they’re like “no... sarah that was so out of context... no, here’s what she actually said...”)
so like... idk. i wouldn’t put too much stock in the wiki or what youtubers say (because many have led me astray too. someone on youtube said narancia passed the lighter test, like actually kept it lit, and i was like then wait, where did his stand come from? and my friends who read the manga looked all that up too for me, and we came to the conclusion that the “passed the test” line in the manga was supposed to mean that like. he didn’t die. but i spent several months wondering where the heck aerosmith came from.)
at the end of the day... read the manga, watch the anime, draw your own conclusions. and canon or not, enjoy shipping what makes you happy. none of these characters are real anyway. we’re all just having fun with fiction.
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kythed · 3 years
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💕Hello! If it's all right was could I ask for a matchup? I'm a straight gal, 5'2" tall gal with pale skin and a thin form. I also have long brown hair, blue eyes and glasses.
As for personality, I'm kind, reliable and hardworking, though a little awkward in large social groups. I enjoy joking around and prefer looking at the bright side of things. My mbti is infj (and ennegram 9w1). I prefer my friends to be considerate and open-minded, someone who doesn't judge anyone by their first impression. I make a lot of bad jokes, so they need to have a sense of humour as well, or at least tolerance for mine😅
My biggest hobby is writing, which I think about almost around the clock. Fantasy and horror are my favourite genres to write, and for character inspiration I often do people-watching. I also sing, mostly in a choir, and go out for hikes in the nature because I love the fresh air and beautiful sceneries. My worst fear is letting people dear to me down and not being there for them in their time of need. I try my best to check up on them but sometimes I wonder if I'm doing enough . . .
My motto would be "If you're going to do it, make sure you don't have regrets later." as I strongly dislike leaving what I start unfinished. It makes me anxious.
My love languages are quality time, acts of service and words of affirmation. I'd like my s/o to know that I overthink often, that my silence doesn't mean I'm angry on uninterested but that I'm stuck in my own thoughts. A deal-breaker is definitely narcissism. Confidence is great but I don't like anyone who thinks the world envolves around them.
Thank you for taking time to read this! I hope it was all righ. Have a great day😊
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thanks for the request ! i hope you enjoy :-)
- this was an incredibly easy choice for me; it just makes all around perfect sense-- I match you with kuroo tetsurou
- you need someone to keep you moving in the right direction because you burden yourself with way too much shit that shouldn’t even be your responsibility
- he helps you to identify what you really want in life and makes you pick n choose a couple of goals to focus on at once rather than doing everything and anything (something tells me you have a hard time prioritizing and saying no to people)
- you help him stop n smell the roses every once in a while because that man doesn’t know when to take a break
- you both share this incredible attention to detail and you both highly value and love getting to know other people
- he’s the one who booked you your first appointment with a publishing house once you finished your first novel and he used his death glare to scare the poor publisher into giving you a higher percentage of royalties on each sale
- SCRABBLE. y’all play a highly competitive game of scrabble every friday night and you always win. this typically culminates in kuroo throwing a tantrum and tickling you mercilessly until you agree it was “practically a tie” (nevermind the fact that you literally won twice the points he did)
- you love fantasy, kuroo loves sci-fi so your conversations are constantly peppered with ridiculous rants and arguments (e.g. “who would win in a fight, a dragon or a tie fighter?” “definitely a dragon babe, i mean it has fire and--” “okay but what if the tie fighter was piloted by a jedi?”)
- physical touch may not be one of your love languages but it sure is one of his-- he’s constantly got his chin resting on your head, or he’s slipping his hand around yours, or putting it on your lower back-- he also really loves giving you these crazy bear hugs (like picking you up and swinging you around type shit) because he likes to feel all big n protective
- I mean the man is literally almost a foot taller than you so can you blame him?
- you guys have literally the worst inside jokes that no one else understands but they send you into hysterics each times until you’re both crying with laughter (lots of terrible puns, yo mama and knock knock jokes that don’t even make sense)
- like once y’all were on a trip to rome and caught a cab to your hotel from the airport but then it took a wrong turn and it ended up that it actually wasn’t a cab and you had just climbed into the back of some little old italian man’s car
- so now whenever y’all are driving somewhere and accidentally go the wrong direction one of you says “mama mia!” in a terrible italian accent and you start screaming with laughter ITS LITERALLY SO OBNOXIOUS LMAOOO
- because you’re both so intuitive that the relationship is like being two halves of a whole-- you can instantly tell when the other is even the slightest bit down and adjust your behavior accordingly
- AND y’all remember the most random shit about each other
- like he once absentmindedly mentioned he loved this particular brand of orange juice and then you started buying only that brand to stock the fridge and he absolutely loves you for it
- and on your first date when you went hiking you pointed out a clump of flowers on the side of the path you thought were pretty so on the way back he secretly picked one and dried it in the pages of a heavy dictionary and got it framed for your birthday
- honestly it’s just little considerate things like this that make the whole relationship
- he always makes sure to involve you in group conversations because he knows it’s your tendency to be shy and hang back
- good conversation is a big deal for you guys but so is quiet time-- you frequently cook dinner together without exchanging a single word, just kinda doing your own thing (like you’ll chop the salad and he’ll make the pasta) and listening to your playlist
- speaking of music, you used to refuse to sing for him until one day he heard you singing in the shower so he crept right up next to the door and recorded it on his phone, and then when you opened the door he shrieked “AHA! CAUGHT YOU!” which nearly scared the shit outta you and made you drop your towel
- but, ya know, you don’t even need to be self-conscious about your singing around this man because he doesn’t have a musical bone in his body and will think that every single note coming out of your mouth sounds like an angel chorus
- overall you guys are that couple that is just so clearly in tune with each other, you know each other like you know yourselves and it’s such a delight to see (hanging out with you is a third wheel’s nightmare tho)
your song: first date by blink-182 (he loves punk pop and you think it’s dorky as hell but he’s adorable when he’s playing the imaginary drums and head banging-- he actually got you to accompany him on the air guitar eventually and it’s lit asf) plus the song perfectly captures the easy, eager way you guys love each other
your favorite movie to watch together: the fellowship of the ring. he wasn’t really into the idea at first (he wanted to watch terminator) but now he’s as big a tolkien fanatic as there is. once you brought him to one of those fantasy renaissance fairs and y’all had the time of your lives.
your relationship in one quote: “In all the world, there is no heart for me like yours. / In all the world, there is no love for you like mine.” - maya angelou
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rainbowcrowley · 4 years
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flower crown, 1975, cactus, sunrise, overalls, pastel, bands, 11:11, storms, coffee, marble :)
thanks dear!
flower crown: when did you last sing to yourself?
today, actually lmao. i’m still listening to the frozen 2 soundtrack on repeat and i can’t help it i need to sing along “into the unknown” everytime it comes up.. i love it so much. oh and “show yourself”, too!!
1975: what is the first happy memory that comes to mind, recent or otherwise?
just being with my best friends - in person or online, doesn’t matter - and laughing about something silly one of us said :)
cactus: what is your opinion on brown eyes?
i love them! brown eyes are beautiful! lemme stare into that liquid chocolate forever pleaseeee
sunrise: pick a quote and describe what it means to you personally.
‘not all those who wander are lost’
listen - i don’t know a lote of quotes..and this one is really famous BUT it has been with me for such a long time! and it always reminds me no matter how f*cked up my life is (it’s pretty f’ed up right now, ngl), i need to keep going. even tho my way is not entirely straight forward, i will reach my goals and won’t get lost. (also, i love tolkien lmao)
overalls: what would you do with one billion dollars?
okay it sounds kinda cheesy and not really credible but i’d donate most of it to charity. i’d keep like 5 million and travel the world, buy a nice house after that and..yeah, thats it, really.
pastel: would you describe yourself as more punk or pastel?
a healthy mix of both, really
bands: talk about a song/band/lyric that has affected your life in some way.
there’s one song from the german band die toten hosen called ‘tage wie diese’ that i’ll keep close to my heart forever. i have a lot of fond memories associated with it. :)
11:11: name three wishes and why you wish for them.
1. health and happiness for my firends and family bc i want them to be healthy and happy i guess? sounds cheesy but i’m dead serious here huh
2. better mental health. i struggle a lot with my mental health atm and i want to get better, bc it impacts my life in a lot of negative ways. 
3. stop climate change. bc i’m terrified of it and it needs to stop.
storms: you on only listen to one song for the rest of your life, or only see one person for the rest of your life. which and why?
i’d rather listen to one song for the rest of my life. idk why but the thought of just seeing one person for the rest of my life, no matter who, terrifies me lol.
coffee: what’s your starbucks order, and who would you trust to order for you, if anyone?
listen.. idk how to feel about that, but i never got a drink from starbucks. like?? i’m not a coffee person and i never lived near a starbucks so….. ofc i’ve been in one but i never ordered something. it’s always the people i’m with in that moment who order someting. //shrugs
marble: what is the most important thing to you in your life right now?
oh my god, i have no idea. there are some and it’s hard to pin down something. i think the absolute most important thing right now are my friends and family. i’d be long gone without them.
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vardasvapors · 5 years
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discussion of silm racism and rape discourse under cut bc DON’T GOT ENOUGH OF THAT i guesssss
I've seen the take that people only hate on Eol because he's black coded and/or indigenous coded. Which seems to turn into You Only Hate Eol Because Racism which seems to me an unnecessarily simplistic view on the entire situation
disclaimer: this may note be the Eol Apologia under discussion in which case there is More and Different Eol Apologia and I would like to remain ignorant thereof thanks
ddjkfjfghfjhdgdjf i thought we as a site had come to the conclusion that ‘it’s not kidnapping rape and attempted child murder if a marginalized identity does it’ was actually a super patronizing and racist take itself but uhhhhhhh. 
anyway i would agree that TOLKIEN was super annoying and racist in MAKING eol like that but i’m p sure the correct response to that is Cool AU Fanfic portraying the Silm account of the situation as a falsified racist myth or smth
actualmermaid replied to your quote “Lol did you happen to see that like… thread of Eol apologia from the...”
Also a rehashing of the “she wasn’t wholly unwilling and therefore it wasn’t rape” Discourse :|
simaethae replied to your quote “Lol did you happen to see that like… thread of Eol apologia from the...”
WHAT
i always hate this thing not only for the obvious reasons but also bc like......on AREDHEL’S side of things, i wouldn’t actually.....dispute a portrayal of her POV as like ‘this Horrible Man who tried to kidnap me is so fascinating and hot i’m gonna camp out here for 50 years having sex w him’ bc like, especially in the context of her being like still BFFs with celegorm and curufin even after they abandoned her and her family to freeze to death on the ice, i feel like that wouldn’t actually be OOC of her. but i don’t see how that makes EOL any better? headcanoning that ‘oh actually she wasn’t that upset’ as an actually legit description of her POV instead of a sexist wishy-washy ‘does it Really count as rape tho’ isn’t necessarily invalid, but it doesn’t retroactively make it NOT attempted kidnap and murder on Eol’s side of things soooo
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I saw The Fellowship again last weekend and promptly reached for the book seconds after finishing the movie, intending to just read a few chapters and skip through the rest but hoo boy am I IN IT now. I realized I only read the book in Dutch so I absolutely must remedy this grave injustice (tho 12yo me was happy enough to read the Dutch version I'm sure)
so far I've learned/remembered:
not only is there an entire introductory chapter chronicling all the revisions and editions that introduced new mistakes but there is an entire book about it (!!!) also at some point Tolkien was like, "haha okay I'll stop doing revisions now I promise" and then he 100% did not stop
"allegories are for fools, as evidenced by Narnia written by my dear friend and fool C.S. Lewis"
"Some who have read the book, or at any rate have reviewed it, have found it boring, absurd, or contemptible; and I have no cause to complain, since I have similar opinions of their works, or of the kinds of writing that they evidently prefer." tolkien my man what a sick burn
I was expecting to run into a wall of impenetrable prose but instead it's so much more light than I remember (or maybe I'm still getting to that, I have vaguely unpleasant memories of the Council of Elrond dragging on FOR EVER)
Bilbo's going-away presents with extremely on point notes are the best thing and also Bilbo is such a bastard and I love him
"For ADELARD TOOK, for his VERY OWN, from Bilbo; on an umbrella. Adelard had carried off many unlabelled ones.
For DORA BAGGINS in memory of a LONG correspondence, with love from Bilbo; on a large waste-paper basket. Dora was Drogo’s sister and the eldest surviving female relative of Bilbo and Frodo; she was ninety-nine, and had written reams of good advice for more than half a century.
For MILO BURROWS, hoping it will be useful, from B.B.; on a gold pen and ink-bottle. Milo never answered letters.
For ANGELICA’S use, from Uncle Bilbo; on a round convex mirror. She was a young Baggins, and too obviously considered her face shapely.
For the collection of HUGO BRACEGIRDLE, from a contributor; on an (empty) book-case. Hugo was a great borrower of books, and worse than usual at returning them.
For LOBELIA SACKVILLE-BAGGINS, as a PRESENT; on a case of silver spoons. Bilbo believed that she had acquired a good many of his spoons, while he was away on his former journey."
Frodo is actually middle-aged by the time the adventure starts, I had forgotten all about that haha
all the signs make it clear very early on that Frodo's never going to be able to throw the ring into Mount Doom and it's killing me
a lot of my favorite quotes from the movie are directly from the book and this makes me very happy for some reason
"There is another astonishing thing about Hobbits of old that must be mentioned, an astonishing habit: they imbibed or inhaled, through pipes of clay or wood, the smoke of the burning leaves of a herb, which they called pipe-weed or leaf, a variety probably of Nicotiana" PROBABLY ok sure, but I'm still reading 'weed' which definitely improves the story, sorry not sorry
"They are quite different from what I expected - so old and young, and so gay and sad, as it were" - Sam about elves (if you’re gay and sad you are an elf bc Sam said so)
"Just why Mr. Frodo was selling his beautiful hole was even more debatable than the price" I'm sorry his what now
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