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The senate and Roman people to the memory of Agrippina.
* issued by Caligula
* Palazzo Massimo, Rome
Rome, July 2015
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Antonia, Livia's daughter-in-law, obviously enjoyed her company. After the death of Drusus, she chose to remain a univira and live close to Livia. Livia kept Julia the Younger going during her long exile (hypocritically, according to Tacitus), with financial and probably emotional support as well. Julia's daughter, Agrippina the Elder, was shielded from Sejanus by Livia.
Roman Women: The Women Who Influenced the History of Rome by paul chrystal
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I’m mostly enjoying Robin Seager’s book on Tiberius so far, but I’ve become skeptical of how he portrays Livia, Agrippina and other women.
Roman historians were suspicious of women in power much like how assertive women today are called “bossy,” “shrewish,” or “a bitch.” If all three of the most important women in the imperial family are defined by a lust for power, and this is treated as inherently a bad thing, is Seager replicating the sexism of his ancient sources?
(Robin Seager, Tiberius, p.158)
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I’ve been thinking about two things in regards to Ms Agrippina Major and Tiberius and I’d like to go on a small tangent:
If Tiberius hated being emperor so much why didn’t he just abdicate to Nero? like it was clear basically until the end that Germanicus’ eldest was the intended successor not Sejanus; Nero was well liked and mannered, plus he was married to Tiberius’ granddaughter so it was very much in the family. the senate and the people would have preferred Nero and Tiberius could have retired happily to whatever end of the empire he wanted to have the peace he clearly longed for
Also just logically (though I understand why they both didn’t) it would have made a lot of political sense for Agrippina and Tiberius to have married after Drusus’ death. like it would have been a huge popularity boost for Tiberius and it would have given Agrippina a lot of piece of mind about her sons’ place in line of succession. she could have been empress like she and literally everyone wanted and Tiberius was basically away in Capri at that point so they could have tolerated each other at a distance. again I understand why they both would have refused but I truly believe some advisor suggested the marriage
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Sed femina ingens animi munia ducis per eos dies induit militibusque, ut quis inops aut saucius, vestem et fomenta dilargita est. tradit C. Plinius, Germanicorum bellorum scriptorum, stetisse apud principium po[n]ti[s], laudes et grates reversis legionibus habentum
But throughout those days, a femina, mighty of spirit, donned the apparel of a dux, and she distributed clothing or bandages to the soldiers, whoever might be needy or suffering. Gaius Plinius, the chronicler of the German wars, relates that she stood at the head of the bridge, offering congratulatory praises to the legions as they returned.
- Tacitus about Agrippina the Elder, cited after L'Hoir, 2006
for @queenmiriamele
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Bust of Agrippina the Elder (daughter of Agrippa and Julia the Elder, mother of Agrippina the Younger and Caligula among other) as a child.
This bust was found in Toulouse and is currently visible in its museum of archeology.
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Once again not sure what is happening here, but apparently at this point I am collecting weird Julio-Claudian operas (still need to read Prosperità e Caduta d'Elio Seiano).
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Hatice after Ibrahim's death is giving me serious Agrippina the Elder vibes...
That's a good point. Both women recklessly went against an emperor in order to avenge their dead husband. I have a lot to say about Agrippina. Especially her portrayal in I Claudius.
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"It's a very Greek idea, and a very profound one. Beauty is terror. Whatever we call beautiful, we quiver before it. And what could be more terrifying and beautiful, to souls like the Greeks or our own, than to lose control completely? To throw off the chains of being for an instant, to shatter the accident of our mortal selves? Euripides speaks of the Maenads: head thrown I back, throat to the stars, "more like deer than human being." To be absolutely free! One is quite capable, of course, of working out these destructive passions in more vulgar and less efficient ways. But how glorious to release them in a single burst! To sing, to scream, to dance barefoot in the woods in the dead of night, with no more awareness of mortality than an animal! These are powerful mysteries. The bellowing of bulls. Springs of honey bubbling from the ground. If we are strong enough in our souls we can rip away the veil and look that naked, terrible beauty right in the face; let God consume us, devour us, unstring our bones. Then spit us out reborn." - Donna Tartt, The Secret History
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Time Travel Question 15: The Library of Alexandria (Latin Edition)
If you have any non-Library of Alexandria lost works suggestions or more library of Alexandria items, please pop them in below for future polls.
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ANCIENT ROME FAMILY TREES !!
(that I've written down so far)
- THE JULIOCLAUDIANS (until Claudius, sorry Nero! - starting from Brutus' ancestors)
- MARCELLUS AND HIS FAMILY (down to Messalina!)
- THE FAMILY OF AELIUS SEJANUS (the only one whose family isn't a circle)
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