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#and believe it or not zuko actually really needs that rn!!!! and appreciates it!!!!
riddlerosehearts · 1 year
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your post about mailee says everything i’ve felt about how this fandom (and many others) treat female characters, especially in the context of sapphic shipping.
i could never personally get into mailee due to the annoyance that is it’s fandom. the constant bashing of certain sapphic ships by proclaiming them as toxic (as if that isn’t the appeal) was so annoying to see in 2020 that it sadly left a sour taste in my mouth.
it also just fits into the most boring stereotypes of cute and fluffy sapphic ship!! something that tends to be the case nowadays.
but even with all that aside it’s obvious why mailee exists. they’re a side pairing for more popular ships and oh what a surprise, it’s a mlm ship leading it. i can’t deny that zukka fans mostly contribute to mailee content because they do but also how deeply annoying it is to see this pattern of wlw side pairing for mlm over and over again.
especially with atla of all shows. a show that actually has a complex female character whose unintentionally lesbian-coded but people will not bother exploring her queerness because shes “mentally ill” or “too much” or “she doesn’t need that rn” or whatever excuses people come up with.
it’s a shame to see all this play out but i’m not surprised. at the end of the day it’s always going to be mlm or f/m at this point.
oh wow i'm glad to hear i'm not the only one feeling this way!! like i mentioned in my previous post, i honestly don't really like mai, but i've tried to get myself to over the years. in 2019 i had rewatched the show and thought "hey, mai and ty lee are kinda cute together, i still don't love mai but maybe i could if i try to think more deeply about her character and see if i can find some meta and fics and such that flesh her out and examine her good points. maybe ty lee could be someone who really understands her and brings out the good in her". but mailee was very much a rarepair back then and i could only really find fluffy drabbles to read. i like fluffy drabbles and all, but they just weren't what i needed in this case. so then in 2020 the show gets put on netflix, i come back from a tumblr hiatus to see there's been a massive fandom renaissance, and now mailee is so popular it's getting to high numbers on weekly fandometrics lists! great!
so then i again look for content about them and see that a ton of it is either zuko-centric or zukka-centric with them as a side pairing at best, and zukka just isn't for me. i have a close friend who ships it so i understand the appeal, but i'm always and forever a zutara stan. i could've multishipped (i do reblog cute fanart of them on occasion) if i didn't keep seeing things from the zukka side of the fandom that really frustrate me, this being one of them. and every time i choose to dive back into the fandom and see if things have improved it's still the same, i should not have to go through 53 of the most kudos'd fics in mailee's tag before i find a fic about them especially since they have less than 1/5th the amount of fics as zukka in the first place, and it just makes me sad that this is an issue in almost every fandom. i may not like mai, but you would really think the people making shippy content involving her would like her and be willing to actually focus on her in said content!
as for the constant bashing of other more "toxic" f/f ships and unwillingness to examine another female character's complexity and potential queerness while using her mental illness as an excuse... i believe i know exactly who and what you're talking about it's an issue with certain mailee content for me as well. see, even though i've loved ATLA since i was a kid and have been on the internet just as long, i used to always dismiss the concept of tyzula because i myself never appreciated azula enough and wasn't interested in ships with her (and because frankly i really hate how azula's voice actress sexualizes the ship). but on my current rewatch of the show i've started loving azula a lot more and now like to imagine her redeemed and happy, repairing her damaged relationships with her family and friends and maybe even falling in love. i've realized that part of the appeal of tyzula for me is that while, yes, azula's entire dynamic with both mai and ty lee is toxic and messy during the show, i don't personally think it always was. i think the three of them were genuine friends until things gradually got fucked up because of how ozai's treatment of azula fucked her up. and i think that if azula were to have a redemption arc, the 3 of them could salvage what once was and have a healthy friendship again.
a lot of mailee fans do not seem to agree with this, though, because i've seen several metas and headcanons that rely on the idea that the two of them were always just afraid of evil, nasty azula and that they can bond over how much they hate her. i am not here for that, and yeah, i'm also not here for the whole "this ship would never work because [insert character] just isn't ready for a relationship, i ship them x therapy!!" thing fandoms love to use as a way to demonize certain ships. mentally ill people can be in happy, loving relationships and they can go to therapy while in said relationships. they can even use therapy to--gasp--figure out how to keep their mental health issues from getting in the way of continuing to have healthy relationships! this happens in real life and i fully believe it can happen in a fantasy cartoon for children. also, i know some people use the comics to justify the idea that mai and ty lee have just always hated and been afraid of azula, because apparently it's implied in those that they were fake friends? but fuck the comics, they're OOC and horribly written lmao.
this ended up being a much longer reply than i initially intended but yeah, all this is to say that i 100% agree with you and thank you for sharing your thoughts, anon. sapphic ships and the female characters within them deserve just as much space in fandom as m/m and m/f ships get, to be fully explored and appreciated in their own right and even to sometimes be complicated and imperfect.
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hella1975 · 3 years
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Bruh sokka is more emotionally mature than some adults i know (including me tbh) actually telling zuko "I took out my hurt feelings on you and that's not fair. Still don't like you though bro" king shit i adore him
LITERALLY KING SHIT sokka let himself be angry, took the time to work through that, and when he'd come to terms with it he straight up said 'i had every right to be angry with you but i also lashed out because of my own insecurities and that wasn't fair. i don't have to like you to treat you like a human being, even if in the past you haven't offered me the same decency' like bitch??? i strive to be like him tbh
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phoebehalliwell · 3 years
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Ok ok ok so idk if your still doing this but could I request Phole + a better version of S5? (Maybe feat their kid?) they and Julian deserved better 🥺
okay so if we're doing a good phole s5 i feel like the place to start to really tee em up for success is season 4 because black as cole is when it all really started to go downhill i loved belthazor cole that was def my fav version of him so rather than bring up his dicey past or make him human i'd just keep him belthazor and instead of source cole as our main s4 plot we have defeating the source as our main task (and then once he's defeated, realizing that he was kinda just the seer's bitch and now we have to defeat the seer) And Then Also getting cole's father's soul back from the brotherhood of the thorn, something that was teased like it was gonna be a plot, and then abandoned. so we're getting that character development from cole as we see phoebe was not the first time he felt love, he loved his father, and like kind of strip away this hardened, cold blooded, sexy killer in favor for a man who is really vulnerable and whose childhood was fucked up but who really wants a second chance to try for a family and you know what kinda so does phoebe
but phoebe's not fully ready to have kids yet i mean like new job she's still trying to get her feat under her hell new sister like life isn't necessarily stable rn per se so let's maybe slow our roll
and cole also isn't like. let's have babies!! because he's still a demon and she's still a charmed one and they don't know what that'll cook up but it's both agreed between the two of them that they want a family
maybe we speed up piper's pregnancy because we'll have had room in s4 for more of that and we give cole and phoebe a babysitting day and their both like woah woah woah woah and piper's like hey don't you want one of these it's a perfect trial run
and of course it's a mess and there's like multiple demon attacks and oh my god what the fuck aaaaaaaaaaa but like. they do save the day. and like in the end cole's holding wyatt bouncing him up and down and wyatt coos and like phoebe's like that's my man <3 and they realize like you know what. they can do this. they can like. like yes this is a lot but like. we're a great team
so like maybe they put wyatt down to sleep and like they're watching over him it's the end of the day and they're like we could do a family. there's no one i would want to do a family with more than you.
and cole's like okay well i know a pretty good place to start phoebe halliwell will you marry me
and we do a proper phole wedding i don't want it in the manor bc we already did that but i also don't want it as a church i think i've said before i think they would do like a nature wedding or a beach wedding or like a forest wedding (with elise officiating) and we get vows proper vows i was born the day you loved me type shit you know
and they also move out well maybe they moved out in season four no because they just got married we'll say they moved out in season five and dude fuck that penthouse fr you want me to believe that phoebe halliwell lived in that stale ass location there was no life there there was no love there
i would love to see them in maybe like a beach house really because ik cole really appreciates the finer things but something that still has the undeniable feeling of home and the place is covered in photos and you know there are like cinnamon brooms and sage bundles hanging from the ceiling because well phoebe's a witch and it's just a house that feels lived in a place where you can feel love from the moment you cross the threshold
and i think like phoebe has this tendency to fall asleep on the couch whenever they're watching tv because unless it's a horror movie unless it's something like actively keeping her on the edge of her seat like she just conks out so usually cole will just carry her to bed and sometimes phoebe like kind of wakes up when he's carrying her but she really just nuzzles into his chest a little more and mutters a small i love you and lets him tuck her in because she never feels more safe than she does when she's with cole
and sometimes when phoebe's asleep cole will kind of just pace around the house and like look at all the pictures on the wall and just the life itself teeming from the place and it almost makes him cry because never in a million years did he think he was ever gonna be this happy that he was even going to get even just a taste of this but here he is safe his wife asleep in the bedroom family picture on the wall and like. he's just overcome with love
it's actually in s5 that cole figures out his powers can have different triggers rather than the standard demonic hate or rage and it's kinda like in avatar the last airbender when zuko is like well now my firebending sucks because i used by hate to power it now what do i do but they go find the origin of life bringing fire and find that it's so much more than a tool of destruction yeah cole kind of goes through that
he realizes that he doesn't need to be ruled by these negative feelings or his haunted past in order to use his powers yes he's still "demonic" in the technical term but he moves so far past that really into a new stage of magic
oh and we're still doing the cinderella episode. the fairytale episode whatever. because i want something where phoebe wears a ballgown an actual proper ballgown not that ugly ass shit she had on my god and descends the steps and cole's waiting there in a suit and maybe it's a masquerade ball one of elise's crazy gimmicks and phoebe's at the top of the stairs looking down and it's just a sea of people in masks and yet in spite of that she can pick out cole immediately and it really does feel like a fairytale ending maybe we get a good old fashioned true love's kiss to so something relevant to the plot
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bidisasterforzutara · 3 years
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More Hard to Swallow Pills
Zuko and katara ARE endgame
They ARE allowed to be together
Zutara IS canon
They ALREADY ARE hailed as one of the greatest enemies to lovers of all time
The actual ending of the show doesn’t mean anything unless of course, you want it to be
Zuko and katara ARE allowed to have a relationship together
Zutara IS canon
Saying they aren’t together or that “we were robbed” is just allowing the antis and bryke to win and that fan works are invalid
Canon is TRANSFORMATIVE
There is no one interpretation of canon. If you’d like to adhere to bryke’s version, so be it, but pls don’t say zutara isn’t canon if you’re a zutara fan bc it’s simply not true for so many ppl. That’s basically saying this ship isn’t real
Do we REALLY need to have on screen validation? Don’t we already have that with Hayley’s work as well as the work of SO MANY OTHERS?
Zutara IS canon
We as a fandom need to be more positive. Instead of mourning zutara, appreciate what we do have. There is literally NOTHING to mourn
Other fandoms of ships that didn’t explicitly happen are perfectly content. So why can’t we be?
I CANNOT beg you enough to not allow the antis to get to us. We WERE NOT ROBBED
The show is NOT the end all be all
You can imagine COUNTLESS different endgames for zutara that you can consider canon
We’ve got a goddamn star and the fandom STILL doesn’t think zutara is real??
Zutara is the greatest love story told in countless ways by countless people
Theylll most definitely happen in the live action that everyone seems to be forgetting ab
Zutara is happy and content with their steambabies rn, there is literally no reason to believe otherwise
Zutara IS canon
This is one of the best, most supportive fandoms I’ve ever been in but also one of the most negative. Pls zk fandom, I’m begging you to give this a read. Continue writing. Continue drawing. Continue creating content. And most of all, DON’T CONSIDER IT NONCANON!!! Your work should not be invalidated!! Bc this ship is one of the realest, most valid ones in all of fiction. We need to act like it
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thoughtfulseason · 7 years
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Nicknames: Rad (but i prefer my full name)
Zodiac: aries
Height: 5'5 or 167 cm
Last thing googled: ‘guard helmet’ because i needed to know how much face of a guard is shown for my book which first 109 pages im editing rn because i need to print it for my grandma and cousins
Favourite artist: ed sheeran, onerepublic, @drivetoroom93, imagine dragons, maggie lindeman, mika, selena gomez, taylor swift, vianney, fall out boy, billie eilish etc. because i dont have one favourite
Song stuck in my head: slow hands - nial horan
Last movie I saw: Mulan II
Do I have any other blogs: yes i do. but the ones i use are @anabeart which is my art blog, @phonatic-fric which is my writing blog (i dont post my writing here but all the helpful info) and @the-brightest-star-is-you where i am emotional abt my phonetics teacher there is also a hp sideblog @victoireloopin but i use it really rarely
What did your last relationship teach you: i had no romantic relationships, but the last friendship taught me lots of things, but mostly to appreciate how i am unique as a person and if my ‘friend’ is being shitty towards me its not a real friendship. (ik sounds stupid but actually im glad we are over because we were SO different)
Religious or spiritual: im doubting catholic (i do believe in god but i dont like some things concerning that) but also my mom tells me a lot about spiritual things so i guess a bit of both?
Favourite colour: blue
Average hours of sleep: 7
Lucky number: i guess 7??
Favourite characters: too many to name. hermione granger, ginny weasley, annabeth chase, remus lupin, lily evans, loki, katara, zuko, mulan, sirius black, ariel, kahlen, maxon, eikko, jinora, minerva mcgonagall, alec lightwood (from the book), prince ren, prince kai, elias veturius, helene aquilla, ronan lynch, adam, persephone from trc, will from hdm, jenna (from septimus heap), cinna (from the book), bartimaeus and kitty (from bartimaeus trilogy (they’re together cause im too lazy to type the name of the book two times lmao)), hana tate, celaena, dorian etc. i definetely didnt go through my goodreads list no no 
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