#and i barely see anyone analyze characters with mental illness about the faults they do or the very obvious MAJOR trauma theyve caused

[advenitmc]

Mate I think you’re being too unforgiving in your interpretation of Wilbur

i suppose it does seem that way, i criticize him in some ways i do c!dream

there are some unforgiving things he's done in my eyes due to personal experiences and my own hand of trauma, both trauma he affects and he has

so i have a very blunt and harsh opinion of him :p

not in a totally negative way ofc, he's wonderfully written the way he is and i adore his characterization

a lot of people sympathize softlywith his character and i think thats why a lot of people dont analyze him as harshly as i do so to say?

a lot of people see it in his perspective and that its clear that hes just lonely and desperate and NEEDS communication and therapy

the way i analyze him is while being aware of that, i focus on how it affects other people, i.e. ranboo and tommy, and how his actions in the past affect the now gravely

it's all about how being mentally ill doesn't only fuck yourself over but other people around you too :p

#i suppose it looks unforgiving but if it is #ill be real i dont care much bc hes a character and thats why hes c!wilbur/revivebur LOL #that and #i always do say this and i mean it #i speak a lot from personal experiences. i project a lot and thats an obvious trait of mine #i see his faults and because people focus on one character they only focus on their traits and how the world affects them #its a self-centered outlook so to say (/nm btw idk how else to describe it) #you can be mentally ill and try to do good but fuck up anyways and thats okay #and i think thats whats interesting about revivebur #whenever i talk about him i never look at him as the 'always evil guy' #i see him as 'the guy whos struggling so bad that hes still messing it up even if he means well' #he deserves his love and affection and care. he always will. #i always just ignore that part bc i think everyone struggling like that needs it but like. that should be obvious right? #and i barely see anyone analyze characters with mental illness about the faults they do or the very obvious MAJOR trauma theyve caused #its always swept under the rug in favor of forgiving the antagonist-type when theyre antagonistic for a reason #i hope that says my word on it :p #i adore revivebur but i can be harsh on my analyzations abt him as much as i need #asbk

[azraanth]

This is analysis, not justification.

Okay.

Basically the last clip is Lucas not letting Lola see Eliott to apologize for her past behavior. Now, I have a few things to say.

Mistakes were made by the both of them or three for that matter. Lola, at the end, chose to go back to her old coping mechanisms when she has other options (talking to Daphné or Maya/Lamifex). She chose the easiest and the most familiar one. Which I don’t blame her for. For someone who’s been self-harming for quite a long time, it’s pretty hard to choose another option when the most familiar seems the safest. Her actions make sense (even though I don’t defend the writing of Skam France in this season, just to be clear), because she lost control on a few things : her relationship with both of her dads and else. So, the easiest options is either 1) retake control through self-harm (which is the drugs) 2) escape from her reality using those same drugs. Now, well, I do believe she chose to ask Eliott to come/join her because she wanted to talk to someone who understood her (which Eliott clearly does) and her mental health/mental illness and who wouldn’t judge her for relapsing. Or she just...didn’t want to be alone in her suffering, so she basically asked Eliott to share it for a few moments. She did ask of him to drink, while being aware of the fact that Eliott can’t take alcohol with his meds. Now, see. She didn’t made the choice for him. She didn’t force him. But, it’s a bit more complex than just simple facts. I will explain, just...wait.

The thing is, Eliott is someone who’s kind, empathetic and definitely gets attached to others quickly. He’s also really sensitive. He’s also have a really hard time trusting people concerning his mental health and goes directly to lie about it than to talk about it. (And it’s something that he still does)  He definitely sees himself in Lola. He connects with her on a lot of levels because he lived/is still living this time to time. He doesn’t want her to be alone in this. This is simply compassion and kindness showing. Now, last night, she asked him to be a friend, which is exactly what he wants to be to her : a friend she can count on when there’s good and bad moments. He wants to be what she needs and she asked of him...to be there. So he did. He just, simply didn’t think about his own mental health and else when he chose to join her. He didn’t do the reasonable thing last night. He saw someone in pain and decided that she shouldn’t live through this alone and he didn’t think of himself. He just didn’t know how to help her, so he stayed and thought “It can’t be that bad, right ?” and you know what happens after. So yes, this choice was solely his. But he wasn’t look out for himself, there. His priority was his friend, in pain. So, at the end, the problem isn’t the fact that Lola “dragged” him into this. He chose to do it himself, but I don’t think he was very aware of what it would do to him. 

Now about Lola getting into his head : this is exactly a common attitude from her. When she’s in pain, she hurts other people. This is not excusable, of course it isn’t. But what she did isn’t surprising. She does needs to be held accountable. Lucas did that : he didn’t forgive her immediately like Daphné, Maya and her father tend to do, simply because she’s in pain. Eliott, well, when it comes to him, I think he does have insecurities about his mental illness. She got into his head because he already thought about this. That’s it. He can’t control how he feels about things. That’s just how it is. It’s not because he’s what, 19 ? 20 ? That he has doesn’t have to let other people get into his head, that he shouldn’t be allowed to feel or have insecurities. What he feels is real, important and shouldn’t be...dismissed. I don’t think he needs to be forgiven for his emotions, insecurities or else. He doesn’t need apologizing for this. But he does need to have a proper conversation with his boyfriend about this specific topic. But, it’s not Lola’s fault that he feels this way or Lucas. He has a history of...being controlled, dismissed, etc. So of course his attitude will be defensive, and of course he’s not going to be a 100% honest right away. This is, just coping mechanisms and he has to unlearn them to grow and to trust people a bit more concerning his mental illness and lean on them. Which he’s kinda starting to do with Lola...but, he needs to confide in people who cares for him. Because it might hurt them in the long run.

Now, Lucas...Lucas. We know how he is : angry, wary, internalize a lot of his feelings and emotions so that no one worries about him, so that everything is alright in the world. Which is kind of him. But he’s also doesn’t have much tact, is insensitive until he’s called out on it. This is a flaw of his. But, there’s also a lot of goodness in him. That’s why the major part of this fandom is so eager to forgive him. Because he’s important to us - to me. I recognize this fact about me. I do love him. But this doesn’t stop me from being able to analyze and understand him and his flaws. He’s not a perfect person. Now, we have to see his side of things : his boyfriend lie to him (which he must know on some degree), asks of him to give his “role” to a girl he barely knows, and this girl, it seems, have a lot of issues, is angry at people (he saw her being physically violent with someone after all and that is insanely scary for anyone), talk harshly, doesn’t show much kindness. Do you see where this is going ? Yes. He didn’t saw all of the right things she did, all of the kindness, empathy, all of her efforts...he never saw that. We did. Not him. Of course he’s going to be wary of that girl when she starts being friend with Eliott. He does know, on the other hand, how it is to be in a situation that is this much...messed up and he could be more sensitive and kind to her, use a bit of compassion and kindness he’s showing to Eliott. He could be more understanding. That is true. He could also understand that Lola is someone that Eliott can confide in and he might need it and, maybe, he understands, on some level because he still tried to make efforts too. But, that was before what happened last night. In his POV, that girl managed to push his boyfriend into drinking while being very much aware of the fact that he can’t. For him, she exploited Eliott’s kindness and managed to hurt him. So yes, he gets angry at her, rightfully so and doesn’t want to listen because himself is blinded by anger. He gets protective. Now, we know things about Lucas : he can be understanding of people if you show him that those people are worth it or if you explain to him what’s wrong, what hurts them etc. He can show insane levels of compassion, he just needs to let his pride, anger on the side to simply listen. He needs to listen. Because right now ? He’s not listening to Eliott or Lola. He needs time, but he will come around. He always have. 

He needs to let Eliott handle this because he can’t decide for him. This is an Eliott matter. He also needs to understand that...sometime, this kind of shit will happen, because he can’t prevent it. It’s just part of life. It’s okay too. Now, well, I do believe he needs to learn that Eliott can handle himself and let him make his own mistakes and learn from them. That it’s not up to him to decide of who Eliott needs to doesn’t needs in his life. Lucas needs to trust people too. But that doesn’t invalidate his emotions or feelings, it’s just that...feelings aren’t facts. Eliott needs to learn how to lean on people, trust them, not lie etc. Lola needs to find other ways of expressing her hurt than by making other people miserable, by using her words. 

Now I do believe that all three need to apologize for their actions (or words)  but not for their feelings. Lola doesn’t need to apologize for her mental illness, her feelings or else. Neither does Lucas or Eliott. Because it’s all valid : they were all hurt a lot. They have the right to feel it. It’s just their behaviors that needs to be corrected. Behaviors doesn’t mean their characters. 

Lola needs to apologize for hurting people/Eliott. She also needs to held accountable and, Lucas just did that. She needs to understand that she fucked up and that she needs to do more than just talk. Because that’s not how it works. She needs to do physical things : go to therapy, talk to someone, search for help. But not...come around and wish that everything will be solved, so she can feel better. Lucas needs to apologize for his words. Eliott needs to apologize for lying (and not for feeling insecure). 

It’s just gonna be a lot of work, after that. 

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