#and i don’t want people who are anti ao3 or who harass others over fiction to feel welcome on my blog

[dontpetmeibite]

this is my home now (pinned info)

I am Ravage Parvilla Stanixa (she/her), conjuncta Soundwave Kymatos, Lord High Protector of Destron, Chair of Sanctuary Station’s Education and Diplomacy Committees, and the poet formerly known as Parvilla Dolorosa.  

Were you expecting someone else?  I am not sorry to disappoint you.

(Info you may wish to know before following below cut.)

This blog belongs to @cleverthylacine and does not follow personal blogs, though @cleverthylacine may follow back. My demographic info lives there. I am considerably older than 21. (More than twice that.) This is Ravage’s blog, and it’s all about her here.

This blog is written for the Ravage who appears in @cleverthylacine‘s series “All Hail Ravage” and “The Voice of Stanix”

Find it here: https://archiveofourown.org/series/1988227

If you want Ravage to be in your universe, we have to talk that one out. I do multiversal shenanigans and if you know my sandbox you can play there too.

I do not RP with minors. Read at your own risk (I tag) but I won’t interact with minor-run blogs. I’m sure you’re nice but I’ve been burned.

I will not try to make anyone who is not into smut or shipping participate in them, but I will be smutting and shipping with other people. Block nsfw & nsft if you don’t want to see smut. I also use lime but mostly for IC sex talk, not IC smut.

If I suggest something you don’t like (whether or not it’s horny) I’m happy to drop it. RP is for fun and we should only do topics we both like. If you do not like what I am writing with someone else, do not read it.

About “proshipping”:

I am often followed by people whose blogs say “proshippers DNI.” These blogs list “proshippers” in lists of unacceptable people that include TERFs, Nazis, transphobes, homophobes, racists, antisemites, paedophiles, and other bigots and predators. This makes no sense to me.

The word “proshipper” is supposed to mean “a person who thinks that if you disapprove of the ships or the smut in a work of art or fiction, you should not interact with the work or harass the author.”

I don’t understand why anyone objects to that point of view, let alone equates it with advocating genocide or child molesting. Life is too short to read fic you hate, harass strangers about stuff that’s not real, or spread misery.

If your blog says “proshippers DNI” then I probably won’t. But if you interact with me, I will assume that you know I’m not whatever gross, weird thing you think a proshipper is. And interact with you, since you invited it.

I ship Ravage/Soundwave, and I’ve been harassed by antis. I have a zero tolerance policy regarding the harassment and defamation of writers and artists over their works. I don’t want to hang out with people who do this, so DNI if you make a habit of telling people to kill themselves because you hate their work.

The proship community has supported me and they all seem like nice people to me. Whatever the beef is here, I don’t want anything to do with it.  I support the right of all people to write or draw whatever they want (block them if it upsets you) and not be harassed. Yes, even that thing, whatever it is. The people in the story aren’t real. You can just block that person and forget they exist.

A Note to Artists:

I don’t usually reblog art of Ravage and Soundwave together on this blog unless other people have reblogged it and tagged me.

When this happens, it’s usually because they know I’m a Ravage/Soundwave shipper (and in fact wrote more than half of the RavWave fics on AO3, and all but two of the explicit ones as of April 2024) and they think it’s either shippy, suggestive, or both.

If you don’t want people to tag me in their reblogs, and you don’t want me to reblog your art, I think you should take a moment to consider why people might be looking at your art and then immediately tagging the person who has written 90% of the Ravage/Soundwave smut that exists in the English language.

#read this before interacting #I don't really bite #unless given a very good reason to

[faustandfurious]

Don’t know why I keep poking that particular hornet’s nest, but it’s a relatively quiet night at work and this gives me some free entertainment and a free blocklist in the notes so there’s that

#feanor speaks #sometimes you just have to clean out the trash #and i don’t want people who are anti ao3 or who harass others over fiction to feel welcome on my blog

[theslowesthnery]

alright, let me show you guys some perfectly Normal and Moral people from one (!) of the callout posts about me

may i remind you, this is all over some damn drawings of a baby minotaur drawing with chalk

above, people who are really telling on themselves by seeing something uncomfortable and suspicious in art that is just...not

you know what the “context” of the art is? sometimes i think “hmm, i wonder what my fave character looked like as a child? omg i wanna draw that”. i did it when i was in the naruto fandom, and i did it when i was in the undertale fandom. and especially in the case of asterius whose life was Fucking Garbage and who never had a chance at a good, happy life, i wanted to imagine what his childhood might’ve been like, if maybe he had at least some happy childhood moments, if maybe there was someone who loved him before it all went to shit (and also since he’s so big, i thought the idea of him having been a tiny babbu was fuckin’ adorable). also, kids put stuff in their mouth, animals put stuff in their mouth, so i figured a human/animal hybrid baby would try to taste stuff they’re unfamiliar with even more so. there’s your “gross” and “horrible” context. and you’re seeing sexualization in that. that’s literally all you, all in your own brains. your minds are so hopelessly fucking warped that it would be sad if you weren’t insistent on treating other people like shit because *you* saw something sexual in an entirely sfw, non-sexual, pure and wholesome drawings of a child doing child things

as someone with no interest in children, fictional or real, i find it  immensely concerning that your mind jumps into imagining child rape with such ease, requiring literally no prompting. that is creepier and more concerning than anything i could ever draw

the usual from the Normal and Moral crowd

god do you guys have any idea what it’s like for someone with very bad self-esteem problems to see people who hate their guts and want them dead go “noooo why is their art so good”

pictured, me rolling in this validation like

“pedophilic ships”?? mf where? words just don’t mean anything to you guys anymore, do they

also cute hadesgame-related user name! thanatos and zagreus are adopted brothers, achilles and patroclus are cousins, and hades married his cousin’s daughter! you’re supporting a game with incest in it, based on greek myths that have even more incest in them!

here’s your award for the dumbest goddamn take i have legit ever seen 🏆

huh, here i thought it was about protecting minors 🤔🤔🤔 (just kidding, i’ve never seen a single anti say deny that it’s about the harassment)

now why wouldn’t i want people like the previous person or the people a couple of screenshots up who are wishing for my death or the anon telling me that *checks notes* they hope my firstborn is raped and has their genitals sliced off interacting with me 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔 certainly seems sus

there’s a pandemic and some people are disabled, karen

imagine seeing a drawing made by someone who you think is a pedophile and going “i’m gonna trace and repost that :)” head empty, no values or morals, only thirst for clout

i haven’t drawn porn in like. two or three whole years

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN AND EVERYONE ELSE, IT’S TIME FOR SUS CHALK

hey, a familiar face! thing is, i never said i don’t want to incest shippers to interact me, what i said was that i don’t want my non-incest drawings of siblings be tagged as incest, because A) it makes me super uncomfortable, and B) it leads to people like *gestures to the entire post* to send me death threats for being a disgusting fontcest shipper when all i drew was brotherly pictures of skelebros. idgaf what people ship lmao, i just don’t want my art tagged incorrectly and to be harassed because of it. also i’ve been open and vocal about being proship for literal years

“oh i know them, they shipped [ship i have literally never shipped and  which i am uncomfortable enough with to blacklist]” yeah you sure know me lmao

oh no, not an A-A-A-ADULT 😱😱😱 guess who else is an adult? toby fox, and everyone who worked on not only undertale but every single piece of entertainment you’re consuming. this site? made by adults. the internet? made by adults. the person who created that callout post? adult. and so will you be, too, and there’s not a goddamn thing you can do about it

awww hell yeah, i officially have a Proship Artstyle™ that makes antis uncomfortable 🤘

i have no idea what this person is trying to say ngl. is...being thirsty for asterius (have you seen him?) and liking theseus bad and cause of suspicion now? well shit, i have some very bad news for A LOT of people in the hades fandom

do you guys like...not understand the difference between children and adults? just because an adult is romantically or sexually interested in another adult does not mean they would fuck the child version of that person. if a person sees a photo of their crush or significant other as a child and goes “aw, cute”, does that make them a pedophile in your book?

i was here first, bud, you leave if you hate it here so much

i don’t even want to know what’s going on in the reblogs of that post. all this over a drawing of a baby minotaur playing with chalk

remember when being a pedophile required a sexual attraction to children? not anymore, these days pedophile is literally just anything and anyone you don’t like, and you don’t need any evidence to call people that! the more you know!

mmmm look at alllll that delicious ageism. i’ll never stop being amused by kids who think repeating information about myself i’ve freely chosen to display on my very public bio is some kinda “gotcha”. newsflash, buttercups - you too will be 30 and over one day. you’re not immune to aging, but sure, keep shitting in the pool you’ll eventually all be swimming. unless, of course, you’ve already decided to be absolutely miserable and joyless once you hit 30, to which all i can say is “couldn’t be me 💅“

also if you hate people over 30 so much, put your money where your mouths are and stop consuming content made by people over thirty. and i don’t mean just fan content, i mean everything: music, movies, comics, video games, cartoons, everything that was made by those gross 30+ year olds. create your own content, your own sites (ao3 is explicitly anti-censorship and anti-harassment, in other words pro-shipping and pro-fiction, so you guys better not be reading or posting any fics there), your own shows and games, see how that works out

#fandom discourse cw #anti discourse cw #and all the things that come with it #long post #(under readmore tho)

[callmearcturus]

the one thing i hope antis understand is.... they aren’t making the thing they hate go away.

people like me, the “freaks,” the adults who write fiction for other adults who-- whatever. the people like me, we don’t vanish. we don’t throw in the towel. we don’t stop reading the stuff we like, and most of us don’t stop writing it. and we don’t stop talking to others about it and encouraging them to write their dead dove, their dirtybadwrong, their Problematique shit.

its not going to go away because it’s a normal subsection of fiction. its not just fandom that digs this shit. there are a shitton of kink novels, especially now that epub is a thing. lordy be, if you could see the stuff on my grandmother’s kindle! there was always asstr-style sites. there was always /d/ and others. its not just fandom, it’s everyone because it’s fucking normal.

but when you do this shit. when you brigade and harass people off twitter.... they’re just going to discord. they’re just going to places you cannot reach, because as a group, you have made it clear you don’t want discussion. you only think in absolutes, and you cannot be reasoned with. i’m literally more likely to get a republican to wake up than to get one of you to realize that you drove a child to suicide over fanfic.

no anti has ever done anything to protect an actual child, but some of them helped kill one. the baby is out with the bathwater.

you, antis, are the real lost cause. and people like me will be here for the ones who realize they’re in a cult and who need to get out, but otherwise? its not worth it.

I have endured the abuse of antis for many years now, and lately they are nothing but the background radiation of fandom, because I’ve learned how to handle them, or rather how to completely ignore their existence. And I will keep teaching other people to do the same, and we’ll keep going, and we’ll win because we care about actual children, we care about actual women, we care about care actual queer people. we don’t try to make the lives of disabled people worse to prove a vapid point. we don’t come up with vicious rhetoric like “freaks of color” or other pickme bullshit.

I am fully well aware that fandom as a whole has work to do. But I am bolstered by the knowledge that unlike antis, the vast majority of us care about actual people. so the work will be done.

Everyone be safe. Take care of yourself. Block freely and quickly. Donate to the AO3. Encourage your fellow creators. Listen to each other about how we can make fandom a better place. Then, we do it.

#death to purity politics #cw harassment #cw suicide

[ardwynna]

That doesn’t remotely address the fact that I was specifically referring to adults who refused to tag their shit, or were comfortable outright speaking sexually with literal minors under the guise of discussing fictional characters’ kinks & the like. Which can and does lead to them pressuring minors to enact similar things in private. It’s happened to countless people and it’s very normalized in most fandoms, though I never said that all people in fandoms were like that.

So you say you have a problem with predation in fandom and yet i don't see you guys cataloging actual predation to report to the authorities. I don't see you educating young teens about internet safety, appropriate interactions, curating their experience or staying in their lane. You flood scant anti-csem resources with complaints about anime porn until they have been begging people to stop. You make callout posts over drawings and equate their creation with abusing real children. You call everything pedophilia to the point that everyone has alarm fatigue. You harass creators into the hospital. You want fandom in its entirety scrubbed of adult content and anything more discomfiting than a spat. You think silencing creators and banning adult content is a viable solution but that's about as effective as "Don't wear short skirts".

The skirt isn't the problem. Neither is the fanwork. Predators exist with or without their tools. Take one set away and they just find others. Move on to some other 'cool teen' thing and they will just follow you there. Meanwhile you would have silenced thousands of voices for nothing.

Here's what you need to do, babe:

Something. Fucking. Useful.

Catalogue some stats on the actual prevalence of sexual abuse that involved fanwork as a grooming tool. Right now official csem resources list nada about it. To them, fanwork grooming isn't even a blip on the radar. If it's as big a contributor as you say, get those numbers, or at least lobby for those already in the field to start doing so.

Promote peer education, since you don't want us older heads, even grossly overqualified ones like me, breathing so much as a word in actual sex ed/internet safety to kids online. Use reliable, factual resources like Alice or scarleteen. Teach your peers what real red flag behavior is instead of the performative shit you guys are doing right now.

Learn what words actually mean and start using them the way the rest of the world does. Two adult characters with an age gap is not pedophilia. Predators using fandom does not mean fandom considers them normal.

Stop sending people to the hospital or standing with those who do. Stop sending death threats and rape threats and your lurid fantasies of murder. Stop doxxing. Look around you. The predators are hiding among YOU GUYS, sharing images of actual csem, calling themselves safe adults and telling kids they can be trusted.

Report poor tagging. It's simple enough. Respect that Chooses Not To Warn is a viable tag. Don't be eating Dead Doves then complaining about the flavor.

Respect other fans and their right to enjoy fandom their way. Fanwork creators are not your employees. We are here to make what we want, not what you want, and that includes every kind of fucked up fiction we can dream up.

Make your own damn archives. AO3 is open source. You can build your safe space from the ground up the same way we built our wonderful wilderness.

And finally, stop block-evading, you fancop fuck. Grow some balls and come here with your face on or don't come back at all.

#such dull people #If fandom is so full of danger why are you still here

[advocaado]

Fiction does not exist in a vacuum and absolutely can and does affect reality.

HOWEVER

Before you pin on your thought police badge and march off to start attacking people on the internet for the media they consume and create, let’s take a minute to talk about nuance and identify some actual problematic trends in media which have real life consequences.

The big question you need to ask yourself before you decry a person or piece of media is: Is that person/piece of media promoting, validating, and normalizing trends or acts that hurt real people? Or is that person/piece of media exploring a dark theme in fiction/harmlessly indulging in a kink?

Below are some examples of cases where “problematic” content in fiction is a danger to real life people, and many where it isn’t. This will not be an exhaustive list. I don’t have endless amounts of time to sit here and talk about every problem in fictional media, and even if I did, I wouldn’t, because there are many more things I’d rather do with my time.

Disclaimer: No media is 100% problem free. No human is 100% problem free. Engaging with others online to discuss problems in media is totally fine. If you don’t like something, it’s your god given right to bitch about it. Bitch to your heart’s content. Just don’t be an absolute ass cloak about it.

Example 1: Huckleberry Finn

This book famously contains racism. Is this a problem? No, not really. Listen. This book is literally about how racism is bad. The message is to not be a racist piece of shit. That’s the takeaway. If you got any other message from this book you need to work on your reading comprehension. Books that teach lessons are good things and impact society in positive ways. This book does literally the opposite of normalizing, promoting, and validating racism. It’s taught in schools for this exact reason. It’s not sugarcoated and that’s exactly what makes it powerful.

Example 2: Fairy Tail

The famous complaint about this and other works by Hiro Mashima is that the women are overly sexualized. Over sexualization of women is a big problem in media across the globe, but particularly in the media that comes out of Japan. It’s a problem that absolutely does affect real women. More on that later. But is Mashima really the big perpetuater of the kind of gross male reader voyeurism that has such a fierce grip on the anime industry? Actually, no. Not really. Yes, almost all the female characters in Fairy Tail are hot and have big boobs in a way that appeals to men. However, the lens through which Mashima tells his stories is not voyeuristic. He doesn’t go out of his way to draw panty shots or sexualize female characters nonconsensually. 9 times out of 10 the women are sexy because they want to be and do it in a way that is empowering for them. There are occasional exceptions, but by and large Fairy Tail is not the big offender of female objectification in anime. Moreover, almost all its male characters are hot and have six packs and idol hair in a way that appeals to women. Everyone is hot. There is no deeper meaning here. Enjoy this series if you like to watch hot people having fun and going on adventures together.

Example 3: Goblin Slayer

Oh, boy, Goblin Slayer. Now here’s a can of worms. Many upon many have decried GS for its inclusion of rape scenes and mentions. The goblins in GS have no females of their own species so they must impregnate human women to continue their race. This sounds utterly awful and it is. But is this finally our shining example of a dark theme in fiction that is problematic in a way that is dangerous to real people? Sorry, but no. Firstly, the concept of a fantasy creature who needs to use humans to reproduce was not invented by Kumo Kagyu and is in fact common in folklore around the world. He didn’t make it up as a way to condone rape. Could he have? Sure. But that’s not the reality of the series. The assault by goblins on human women is not treated as a good thing by Kagyu. It is shocking and horrific and has big consequences within the narrative for both the goblins and their victims. It isn’t treated lightly and does not serve to normalize, validate, or promote rape in real life. The reader/viewer is meant to be disgusted by the goblins, and these scenes, which are few and brief, serve their intended purpose. Nobody is going out and assaulting women in real life because they thought it was cool when the goblins did it in GS.

Oh, but Goblin Slayer, I’m not done with you just yet. Because while it would be a huge stretch to label the inclusion of rape in the series a danger to real life people, there’s something else that you don’t need to stretch nearly so much to identify as such. Remember when I talked about the voyeuristic male gaze being a concerning trend in anime? Well, GS has that in spades. The normalization of sexually objectifying women in non sexual situations is very much present in the series. Describing in loving detail the chest size/shape of every female character often and with gusto is a big part of the light novels. Kagyu loves to describe what a girl’s boobs are doing while she’s sitting at a table eating or doing any other mundane thing for no reason other than to sexualize her for the reader. He made the intentional decision to make Sword Maiden, a rape victim, very overtly sexual for the male gaze without the character having any agency in it. Sword maiden isn’t trying to be sexy. She doesn’t own her sexuality. Hell, she’s blind. Being sexy doesn’t empower her. She’s just fap fodder for the male reader. These things normalize objectifying women and are part of a longtime trend in anime which have real world consequences for both women and men. The sexualization of nonconsenting women is a huge problem in Japan and very much promoted through their media. Anime and light novels continue to send and perpetuate the message that objectifying women is okay and natural for boys to do, and while Kagyu certainly isn’t the worst offender, he’s happily hopped aboard that trolly because he doesn’t see anything wrong with it. And he can’t, because it’s been SO normalized.

Example 4: The Birth of a Nation.

This movie, while entirely fictional, is straight up anti-black propaganda intentionally made to spread hate and fear of black people. Obviously this is incredibly problematic and harmful to real black people. This movie was designed to be that way. The message is very clear. It’s a movie meant to rally whites against blacks, and it did. Horrifically so. Typically media containing hateful messages is less overt about it today, but abusing stereotypes and caricatures of real groups of people and otherwise intentionally perpetuating harmful ideas through fiction is a shitty thing to do and should be wholeheartedly condemned. (Note the keyword “intentionally”. If an author does this out of ignorance, which is all too common, rather than condemn we should seek to educate. People are capable of learning and growing and canceling them for mistakes made in ignorance is every bit as shitty as the mistake they made in the first place.)

Example 5: Fanfiction and shipping

At last, we come to fan media. This is where “don’t like don’t read” becomes the golden rule. Indulging in a kink or exploring dark themes in fanfiction is harmless 99.9% of the time. Fanfiction simply doesn’t have the reach, and thereby the influence, that mainstream media has. If someone wants to write something really fucked up, that’s their choice and nobody is making you read it. Unless the author is outright condoning harming real people, it’s really not your business what they choose to write about. Furthermore, deciding to read fucked up fanfiction does NOT make you a bad person. As stated before, the human psyche is messy and the world is not squeaky clean or a safe place. People are drawn to dark things and there’s really nothing wrong with that so long as real people aren’t being harmed. If something makes you uncomfortable, don’t engage. Protect yourself. You’re not making the world a better place by harassing people online. You’re just being a jerk and honestly doing far more harm to real ass people than that 20 year old writer on AO3 who wanted to write a story about Sasuke having sex with Naruto’s son because of 10 years of repressed sexual impulses toward Naruto.

I could say more but I’m tired and ready to celebrate my Friday by getting drunk. Feel free to interact if you want, just do everyone a favor and don’t be a dick.

TLDR

Things that make you a bad person:

Murdering people

Sexually assaulting/harassing people

Having sex with children

Creating or indulging in porn of real minors

Harassing and sending death threats to real people over the fictional media they create and consume

Espousing, condoning, or perpetuating hate toward marginalized peoples

Espousing, condoning, or perpetuating hate toward anyone tbh

Using fiction as a vehicle to promote, validate, and normalize causing harm to real people

Generally being an ass cloak

Things that DON’T make you a bad person

Consuming media that contains problematic elements

Creating media that contains problematic elements so long as you aren’t promoting, validating, and normalizing harmful acts toward real people

Writing fanfiction

Reading fanfiction

Shipping whatever you goddamn want to ship

#there’s been so much discourse surrounding this that I finally needed to weigh in #pro ship #we’re allergic to nuance here #tumblr I love you but

[fataldrum]

A lot of people misunderstand where darkfic comes from and why people write it. They seem to think we find abuse romantic or desirable; that we want to inflict abuse on other people; and that we're essentially causing abuse through normalization. None of those things are true. 

When you perceive other people as causing abuse, it's easy to stop seeing them as human. "Freaks" make an easy target. In the TMA fandom, there are a small but vocal group of people harassing darkfic writers. People have said pretty nasty things about me personally, saying I belong in prison for writing fic; wishing repeatedly for me to die slowly; and implying that I deserve to be raped. Thankfully I'm not in a place where that kind of immature squawking does much more than make me laugh. I do, however, worry for people who might already be struggling with mental health. No one deserves harassment for the crime of writing fic.

Obviously those people antis are beyond help. Something is missing in their lives, and they fill in the gaps with hate. Some of them will eventually realize there are more important things to worry about than other people's fanfiction. Others will continue to alienate those around them until they're alone with their hate. This post isn't for them; it's for people in the middle, as well as for darkfic readers and writers. I want to explain some things about darkfic and the people who write it.

Darkfic doesn't normalize abuse. If it did, we wouldn't call it darkfic or warn for abuse; we would simple post our Totally Normal fics about stuff that's Completely Acceptable in Real Life. You don't tag for things that are normal, acceptable, and non-triggering. Most of us meticulously tag our fics to make it easy for readers to avoid anything that might upset them. AO3 and browser extensions make it easy to avoid ever seeing fanfic with dark themes. If you don't want to see something, you literally do not have to.

AO3 is not the only place where you can find "problematic" content, either. Often the fics we write are tame compared to what you can find on P*rnhub, but no one's harassing porn studios they way they do fanfic authors. There seems to be this idea that if they can just get all the problematic fiction off AO3, the world will be a better place, and no one will abuse people. Which site do you think gets more traffic, P*rnhub or AO3? It's not AO3. Not to mention the thousands of books, movies, and TV shows with similar content. And even if you could get all the problematic fic off AO3, who draws the line at what's bad enough to be removed? You might think it's simple, but people have widely varying definitions of what's acceptable to post.

Abusers don't need AO3 to abuse. Most of them will never visit the site; certainly none of my abusers read fanfic. Violence has existed for all of human history. For many people, fiction is a way to cope, to exert control over things that frighten them, or to imagine a different ending. Homer wasn't a soldier, Stephen King isn't a serial killer, and Bryan Fuller isn't a cannibal.

Fandom exists for people to have fun, not to harass each other or police other people’s art. Darkfic writers aren’t abusers, or promoting abuse; generally they’re empathic people who understand the difference between fiction and reality. Be kind to each other. 

#fandom politics #purity wank #abuse mention #harassment mention

[unpopularfanopinion]

I apparently struck a nerve with someone and they blocked me. Just a tip dude, if you don’t like people arguing with you maybe you shouldn’t post on social media designed for reblogging, responses and rebuttles. You can still find websites that offer blogs with no comments.

But as I typed this all up i felt it worth sharing.

Pointing out similarities in ideas and actions between two group doesn’t mean I think one is equivalent to another. It means in some ways they are coming from the same place(doesn’t mean they’re going to end up in the same place) But I see you’re very good at putting words in other people’s mouths.

However you may think there’s a difference between a religious group attempting to ban a book over religious ideals, and people trying to force Ao3 to moderate to their standards, but I am going to ask what the difference is?

Also who is going to get to decide what counts as harmful/racist? I mean I get the feeling you’re something of a new-comer to this whole anti-shipping trend and aren’t aware of some of the context in history behind it.

Like the insanity of the Sherlock fandom where a contingent of people who really really preferred John topping Sherlock in their porn decided to accuse anyone writing Sherlock topping John as being pedophiles. (Surely you can understand the insanity behind that. porn written of two middle age men being pedophilia because the wrong man tops) To the point of accusing a surivor of being an abuser, as well as filming her having a breakdown(that they caused) and posting it online. https://fanlore.org/wiki/221B_Con (the 2015 con)

https://thegreenirene.tumblr.com/post/116696525144/what-happened-at-221b-con-2015-the-gender

There’s also the story that went around of a real life highschooler that was convince he had to break up with his significant other of several years because he had turned 18, but his partner hadn’t yet because him simply dating(not necessarily having sex with them) someone under 18 was pedophilia. (okay yikes)

And what about when you have people who claim that individual ships are inherently racist if you prefer them over a different ship. One example is from the Star Wars sequel trilogy where people tried to claim the Finnrose ship was inherently anti-black and racist and so people should ship Finnrey.

https://my-reylo.home.blog/tag/anti-finnrose-bs/ (rundown, with links and receipts although sadly some of the links no longer work)

So again who will get to decide? And before you say, the minors, survivors, and minorities who don’t feel safe you should try to understand that’s not a winning trump card. Because there are ALSO minors, minorities, and survivors(like me) who keep saying that they don’t feel safe in places where censorship takes place. That they find exploring the exact same topics that antis decry as harmful, helpful and therapeutic. That they don’t feel safe in places where they risk harassment, doxing, suicide baiting simply because of the fiction they like, or create.

I mean there’s an disabled artist who lost her job because of anti harassment.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XdfUJyVYhmaahTfbxLNU0W0yVz80hmptNrCQv7KSL6o/mobilebasic

An individual is not harmed merely by some piece of fiction existing out in the void. If they stumble on it without warning it can be upsetting, trigger pain, but that means them stumbling on it. Ao3′s tagging system does an excellent job at allowing people to not see what they don’t want to. There are a few tweaks and adjustment I wouldn’t mind seeing like a permanent exclude tags so I don’t have to constantly filter out specific tags.

I doubt that there is anything you can find on Ao3 that you would not also find examples of in any large public library

Take a brief look at New York’s Public Library eroticia for example

https://nypl.overdrive.com/search?subject=21

In the comics and graphic books section i found Sadistic Boy by tori maia, which contains examples of underage sex, adult/minor sex, rape, and incest(uncle/nephew iirc). As well as Bad teacher’s Equation which features a romantic relationship between a 16 year old highschool student and a 26 year old nurse who works at the school. Again this is the New York Public library, and I haven’t started looking at more of the books(although without Ao3′s tagging system it’s a bit harder to guess the contents with just the cover)

Is there any real reason you can think of why Ao3 should be held to higher content standards than the New York Public Library? I mean they’re both based in New York State, and go by New York State’s obscenities laws.

And I’m sorry for not including sources in my earlier posts, but I was on mobile and didn’t have all of my links.

But here’s a study discussing the sex on TV doesn’t influence teens as much as people previously thought

https://theconversation.com/sex-on-tv-less-impact-on-teens-than-you-might-think-61957

Also the relationship between fiction and reality, and the ability of various media to change and shape social norms is incredibly complex. Research attempts to discover how media can influence change, but that there’s both individual effects, social effects, and the effect can be different depending on if a person knows other people in their community have seen/heard the piece of media or not.

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/political-science-research-and-methods/article/how-does-media-influence-social-norms-experimental-evidence-on-the-role-of-common-knowledge/23D65E06CAB2876B08F12E23CD5C0539

So keeping that in mind that fanfiction is still very much a niche hobby/activity and you’re unlikely going to find an entire community(of people who happen to be living in the same area definition) reading the same fic, Fanfiction’s ability to impact reality is pretty much non-existent compared to the latest offering from Disney, Warner Brother’s or Netflix.

I can have empathy for people who are uncomfortable or feel they are hurt when they see certain topics in fiction. However I wish they would try to have a little empathy for the people who find comfort and healing within that same topic. The solution is not censorship or people stop creating taboo fiction. The solution is right there in Ao3′s tagging, people who don’t want to see certain content can avoid it, people who do want to see certain content can find it. I’m sorry but I cam going to have a hard time finding sympathy for people who demand that everyone else cater to them and their feelings without a thought for anyone else's.

#Ao3 discourse

[olderthannetfic]

an anti-anti blog I liked recently posted that they are against rpf "because it counts as stepping over the boundary of fiction into objectifying real, specific individuals, and we consider it disrespectful to treat real people as if they’re playthings in the same way fictional characters are." I understand this is their squick, but I felt this was a bit much, so long as people aren't sending stuff to celebrities and just making it for fan spaces & for fans & I wondered your thoughts. Thanks!

My thoughts are: LOL.

People want to fuck hot celebrities. News at 11!

A lot of celebrity culture heavily plays into this, whether it’s tabloids obsessing over who’s dating whom or kpop groups pretending they’re all single to not “ruin the fantasy”. Somehow, that’s fine and normal, but RPF kept to fandom spaces and not shoved under the person’s nose is crossing a line? Puh-lease!

Fantasizing about fictional characters is fine not because they’re fictional but because fantasizing is fine.

A lot of people say that. When push comes to shove, a lot of them don’t mean it. But I do.

Let me tell you a story: once upon a time, I had this summer school boyfriend who was showing me something on his computer. He was telling me what to type into the address bar, and whoops, a porn site autocompleted. He was super embarrassed, so naturally, I started trying other combos to see if I could find more porn and embarrass him further. He seemed to think I’d be horrified. I was like “LOL, your porn is hella tame!” So he was like “What, like you like weirder porn?”

Through me needling him and mentioning increasingly out-there porn I like, I eventually got out of him his non-tame taste, which was for misogynist M/f rape erotica.

And then I let him tie me up and jerk off on me.

Anyway, the point of this story is that there are tons of perfectly reasonable people who walk around the world having absolutely revolting fantasy lives, and there’s no way you’d know unless you bug them to tell you. If this guy had brought it up on a first date, or even worse when we weren’t dating, of course I would have been creeped out because bringing it up can often cross a line.

Any normal man with normal social skills should know there’s a strong chance a woman will be scared of him if he brings this shit up out of the blue. So a man who does it anyway is either trying to freak me out or has a very different understanding of social norms than I do and may behave in unpredictable ways I don’t like.

But a man who sits in class next to me fantasizing about wearing my skin and never burdens me with this knowledge... How would I ever know? What would it ever matter? It’s neither my problem nor my business until he makes it so.

It fundamentally does not matter if he has a sweet, vanilla fantasy about holding my hand or a Hannibal-tastic one about eating it, whether I find him hot myself or whether I share any of his kinks. Because it’s a fantasy.

Is it somehow tainting me because sexy thoughts are tainted and they get Metaphysical Pervert Goo on me? That’s sure the message I get from people elevating their squicks about this to the level of moral truths.

Tumblr suffers from the misconception that horrifying fantasies are a sign that you’re actually an axe murderer. While it’s true that people who do horrifying things often do have horrifying fantasies, so do lots of other people.

I’ve had more than one person confess tearfully to me about liking whomever that 90s artist was who drew all the fsub consensual snuff/cannibalism art. These were people I was friends with. Normal people. Who are not actually running around eating the neighbors. Some pretty dark stuff is actually pretty commonplace.

Because grotesque fantasies are normal.

So are vanilla fantasies and all other fantasies. And they are all fine because they are fantasies. Even if they involve famous people. Even if they involve non famous people. Even if they involve me.

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I’m sure some asshole is already typing a response about how, surely, this all means we can have RPF fantasies but shouldn’t post them. My view on that is that merely posting fic to AO3 does not constitute “bringing it up” with the person you’re writing about. If you write violent rape porn about me and post it there, I’ll probably eventually find it and be kind of freaked out. Or maybe I won’t read it. Or maybe we’ll have the same kinks and I’ll find it hot. IDK. Possibly, that does cross some kind of line if you’re writing about a fellow AO3 user you know is going to be around.

Crossing a line or not, it’s a largely academic point: In practice, nobody really writes fandom RPF unless it’s some explicitly opt-in thing as part of a fic exchange or an in-joke between friends or maybe part of a targeted harassment campaign (though, tbh, this is not something I’ve seen).

The vast majority of RPF on AO3 is about the fake-ass stage personas of mega-famous celebrities. They’re not going to be reading AO3. They’re not going to see your g-rated reader insert fic. They’re not going to see your x-rated One Of The Band Is A Serial Killer And Eats The Others fic. They’re not going to see any of it.

And what’s more, they’re probably far more worried about being chased by paparazzi than about what some fan is doing off in a fandom corner.

So yeah, I think that anti-anti blog is being hypocritical and silly when they say it crosses a line.

Call it a squick because that is what it is.

#fandom meta #Anonymous

[langernameohnebedeutung]

I’m probably parrotting to the wrong choir here, but at least part of the truth about liking villains vs. condemning villains is...I don’t consume villain content in order to find healthy coping strategies and genuine life advice. I don’t look for healthy coping strategies in sci-fi films and fantasy books or on ao3 in the first place, because 99% of all that input is not produced by people that a) intent or b) are qualified to give meaningful life advice.

 Sometimes things we read or watch can be detrimental to our mental health or can make us happier or mean a lot to us. And that is also why it is important to tag, warn, and summarise content: So that people can avoid things that are bad for them and find things that comfort them. But what popular fiction never is, is a clear, intentional, professional, and universal guide.

 We already talked about how even the most horrible people will read novels where they resemble the bad guys and identify with the good guys instead rather than reflecting their own behaviour. That is, because narratives need stakes. The hero needs to be David, not Goliath. And we too see ourselves as Goliath, in our lives. Because there are always things that are bigger than us. And because we know that David will win.

 But sometimes...sometimes it is quite nice to feel like the giant. Especially when we’re used to feeling small.

 Sure “I like this villain because villains get to do things we want to but can’t” might seem like a tiny brained answer, but if you expand a little, there is truth to it: Sometimes I want to see someone go bloody ape-shit in response to trauma, injustice, being underestimated or forgotten. Sometimes I want to see someone just care about themselves and burn the whole place down and look fabulous doing it, because I know, that in real-life, very often it is sympathy and empathy holding me back for even insisting on minor and very rational things, simply because I don’t want to be a burden on others and because I prioritise other people very highly. There is catharsis in that; in seeing someone getting it out of their system in the most violent way possible just like there is catharsis in going for a run or punching the hell out of a punching bag when you’re frustrated even though you would never chase down and beat up a person.

Because even when see characters standing up for themselves - think of the infamous internet rage over Captain Marvel stealing that bike from the dude that harassed her – their actions are usually centred around punishing the culprit, not the emotions of the party that was wronged. But people got angry. Not because she stole a car, or because she stole it from a men even – but because her acting in response to sexual harassment connected the scene with deep roots of social context and political opinions and expectations.

And, despite hundreds, maybe thousands of films in existence where a white male protagonist steals a car or bike or anything else to save the day, she is read as a villain here simply for doing the rational thing. Much less could she have killed him and burnt down his house, because she is a hero and it doesn’t serve the plot and that would not be the thing a hero does.

A villain burning the whole joint down because someone looked at them funny is acting selfishly, self-centred. But what are you going to do, call them a villain? Duh. Complain about how what they’re doing is wrong? Well, yes.

 The lane of their actions is not narrowed by the actions of the culprit on the one side (heroes have to react appropriately and proportionally) and the expectations of the good-guy on the other (they have to act in accordance with forwarding the plot). Which means putting up with an asshole sidekick or apologising if they undergo character development that makes them a ‘better’ person and requires them to forgive someone). You might have your odd Logan who will throw a punch when he’s pissed – but here we already venture into the territory of an anti-hero.

And personally, our anger, our disappointment, all that will always be much more contained than any fictional space - by our financial situation, the people we depend on, our job, our studies, or family, our social circle. We live in a web of social expectations that we depend on every moment of our life.

Fiction itself also exists in a web of social context: What influence does it have on the audience? Will it sell? What implications does it have? How does it present its characters? Who is the author and what do they stand for? - but the fictional space, aka the world constructed in a novel, is wholly separate:

If I write a novel where I state that every Canadian person likes the colour blue and wears funny hats, then this is true in the universe of that novel, no matter what any Canadian reader might feel about it. This means two things:

1.       As writers, producers, and even as producers of fan-content, we have to be critical about what we put into the world, because by creating a fictional space, we create characters who cannot stand up against the things we say about them or make them do. Just like the superheroine in the skimpy outfit who gets her powers through the sun shining down on her nipples cannot have an authentic discussion about her body. And when young girls read our comic and see that all the male heroes are clothed and the heroine isn’t, then we are the one that came up with the sunshine-nipples.

2.       Our very own, personal interpretation of the novel – even our own - and the way we relate to it is our own. The feelings we project on the characters are individual, personal, and shaped by us.

And yes, villains usually see their comeuppance. And the thing is, many people argue here: “Well, it’s okay if the villain does x, as long as they’re punished for it.” But...that’s a difficult subject. A piece of fiction can condemn the actions of the villain without seeing them lose – the challenge to the writer is to still form a satisfying narrative, because the villain winning is the ‘likely’-seeming thing that every narrative subverts when the hero levels up and returns with her new friends to kick the villain’s ass. But even if you sympathise with the villain, seeing them win would still be an unsatisfying narrative, most of the time.

Because the whole point of an actual evil villain - and sympathising with an actual villain - is that what they’re doing is unjust. Malicious. Selfish. And projecting your desire to strike back or stand up on a villain and seeking catharsis through seeing them go wild and tear down the city needs the pushback. For them burning down the house to be satisfying, you need to see the house burn. For them to blow up the house of parliament to be satisfying – you must see the explosion.

And watching them lose provides the ultimate, necessary gravitas. Watching Team Rocket fly off with Pikachu and live happily ever after on Team Rocket money would not be satisfying. Watching our super-villain burn the world to a crisp with their death-laser would not be satisfying if they just end up getting their rocket and flying off while drinking space-mojitos.

Whether they end up being redeemed or not: The initial moment that someone fights back and defeats them at the height of their immorality and prevents the suffering of innocents is the moment that their willingness and readiness to commit violence is put to the test.

 We know the hero goes through a journey of their own - one that requires sacrifice and steels their commitment until they are ready to take on the villain. And knowing that someone is willing to make sacrifices to be able to take the villain down is the ultimate acknowledgement of the transgressive act the villain committed. Without it, it would be empty. Like watching someone punch the air.

But the truth is also that when you recreate the fictional space in another, secondary space – fanfiction, fan content, fanart – you decide what to focus on. Like, we all enjoy hurt/comfort stories, but they have a different intention than something focussed on action or the growth of the hero – because that requires for us to see the villain go down. The focus is no longer the transgressive acts of the villain – but to lay bare the pain that caused them. It is no longer about beating them down for the sake of justice.

Like, when I make a post about Frankenstein’s monster living happily ever after and people tell me that hey, the monster killed a lot of people - then we have a different premise. Because me not adding a line about the evil things the monster did to my post was based on the premise that you knew that random tumblr user langernameohnebedeutung does not condone the crime of murder because she posts about a 200-year-old book. And the #fact that my point doesn’t construct an ending where the monster stands in front of a judge and is sentenced to a certain time in jail or punished by a more heroic person is because I have daddy issues and seeing a giant creature go on a rampage through Europe to get back at its asshole Dad in a way I never could makes me quite happy the novel focussing on its acts of violence already did this and my post clearly had a different intention.

#long post #fandom

[favoniuscodex]

ask responses

ok so there’s like a quadrillion anti-k*eluc things in my inbox (like every time this topic comes up)

yea these all shit on k*eluc but if you like that ship idk why you’re here cw: death threat mention (NO ACTUAL THREATS), typical k*eluc bullshit

anon said:  if we're talking about incest, I've seen some shit in this fandom k*eluc could not compare. I wish there was a way to block people/tags in ao3... everyday I roll my eyes so hard to go blind and never see some of the shit in ao3 again

i like... dont want to shame people for their interests because ultimately fanfiction is a way to get some like... weird shit outta your system without harming anyone but like... MAN... some of the fics i’ve seen make me wonder if the authors have ever gone outside and touched grass before,,, and im saying this as someone who fantasizes about 2d pixels for fun.

anon said:  The thing about kaeluc, i heard from somewhere that some ppl tend to go overboard with the warnings.. true, that ship is disgusting, but to warning them with death threat/su*cide? They talk about toxicness of kaeluc but without realizing it, they themselves are toxic. I'm not defending kaeluc stans cuz i've had some bad experience with kaeluc stans too. But I wish they realized that block button exist.

i mean, yes. this is basic human decency (blocking people and not harassing them). the internet has always been pretty reactionary to things they don’t like and is pretty toxic as a whole. idc if you dont like something, death threats are never a viable solution. but imma be honest, i’ve never seen that happen when it comes to that ship and therefore i have no time nor energy to devote to yelling at people for it. not my place.

anon said: I've seen some people saying k*eluc was ok in eastern side of the fandom because it is a cultural difference kind of thing. I don't agree with this because like... that means eastern people want to fuck their siblings??? that's a stupid argument. I don't ship it bc it weirds me out but I also don't really care people shipping it since it's just fiction

though this doesn't mean that it's okay to ship them imo. I just try to stay away from conflict

yea as a white person this sounds like some bullshit lie some asian fetishizing white person made up to justify shipping two brothers. additionally diluc is clearly like... germanic/white ancestry so like... is this argument even still valid? anyways that argument just reeks of racism and holds 0 ground. it’s weird as fuck. also anon, its cute that you want to avoid conflict, i wish that was me. i think this ship is overall pretty nasty and i will take sides LMAO

anon said:  “ayo how can we ruin a fandom” *red/blue ship* sounds an awful lot like kl*nce shippers 🦍💨

yea i wasnt even in that fandom and i heard about it which shows how bad it is,,,

always the red and blue shippers ong

anon said: Just a little snippet from what they said because I constantly have to go back to it and laugh about that because it doesn’t take more than a few secons to go on google an be like “are diluc and kaeya brother” to which the big fat answer will be “yes”"…kaeya has basically disowned himself…Either way it’s fine and not incest if that’s the issue!”How do you disown yourself-

d... disowning yourself means you no longer want contact with your family, it doesn’t change the fact that you once viewed them as family.... what the.... FMKLDSMFLMSD,,, that person you were arguing with is WEIRD

anon said: if people want to ship an ice/fire dynamic that badly why not ship chongyun and bennett or something. sighs. why do people have to be Like That

TRUE,,,, true,,,, this is 100% facts and lowkey thats a big brained ship nonnie

anon said: I've just been reading through the asks about a certain *cough* fire/ice *cough* ship and let me also add something. Everytime i search Genshin on Ao3 I have to make sure one of the excluded tags is said said ship so that it cuts down alot and I mean alot so I can see others but at the same time, some good fic has that tag, not really the focus but still has it, which saddens me because I try to avoid it as much as possible. Also any fics on twitter that talks about the individual (either the fire or ice) in said ship I tend to just "nope" and quickly scroll down(unless it's a het ship weirdly enough it's a little calmer) I just wanted some good fluff and someone just had to ruin the good fluff by arguing that the fire/ice ship is superior than the one in the fic. Like I just want GOOD FLUFF 😭 WHY DO YOU HAVE TO RUIN IT?!I FEEL NEUTRAL BACK THEN NOW I AM JUST ANNOYED. Also sorry for ranting peace 🕊️

i literally only look at ao3 at this point for zhongchi or xiaoven shit so i cannot relate but like gjldgkmldfkglg. k*eluc shippers are inescapable on twitter though i hate it. remember the time the genshin official account reblogged some k*eluc art JSKLD:FKFSMP:GDL i hate it here,

anon said: broke: shipping kaeluc

woke: shipping yourself with both of them and thus creating a love triangle full of angst and a lot of tension and competitiveness between them

bespoke: having them realise that they value each other as brothers more than having petty arguments over the same person they like and thus instead of reader becoming a s/o to one of them we become best friends with both of them and the gang's all happy

i can’t tell if this is oomf trying to convince me to alter the ending of inheritance gjkdsnjskdlskj or if it’s just a genuine big-brained idea. either way... i can get on this train of support. OR the reader picks one of them but the other moves on and lives a happy life because why spend time being hung up over reader when you could find someone else.

anon said: all this kael*c (🤢) talk reminded me of the first scene in which we see diluc (yk the one with collecting dvalin's tears with kaeya in the temple? and at the end diluc comes in and destroys the hydro abyss mage? yeah that one) so I went and rewatched it and hrueizkxbd i now remember why i am first and foremost a diluc simp

diluc was fine as fuck especially in the scene where he interrogates the abyss mage,,, ugh /chef’s kiss/. thank you fellow diluc simp.

#im gonna go to class and get even more k*eluc hate in my inbox #i am the new anti-k*eluc safe haven apparently #this happens every time i mention how much i hate the ship #but fr this was NINE ASKS at some point im gonna stop responding to them #//mail

[meyerlansky]

loving your stuff on antis tbh. a blogger i followed recently got a callout post and harassment for stuff they properly tagged and warned for and it made me furious.

i straight up have no fucking patience for this shit anymore, man. there’s no fucking excuse for harassing other fans over what they create, or for creating these hellish whisper networks of “oh this person’s not Safe, trust me, don’t look into it yourself, why would you need to verify when i’ve already done the research for you?” that are running rampant in fannish circles nowadays. you don’t get to suicide-bait people because you think you’re in the Moral Right, and if your morals excuse harassing and ostracizing someone because they’re The Wrong Kind Of Fan, then you’re not actually as morally pure as you think you are.

if you don’t like the content someone is creating, don’t engage. if you’re bothered by something, you being bothered deserves to be respected, but you don’t get to take it out on the person creating FICTION for FREE as a HOBBY, and you don’t get to incite other people to harass or mistreat or ostracize that person. if someone isn’t properly tagging content, that’s one thing, and you can politely let them know that, hey, this should probably be tagged! but the hypocrisy of it becomes really clear when one half of a fandom goes after someone creating dark fic content that’s properly tagged, but sings the praises of people who write noncon without tagging it because they’re buddy-buddy with the big-name fandom cops and they get a pass for “handling it correctly.”  you’re responsible for your own internet experience and if you’re not going to be an adult about it then you shouldn’t be in adult spaces, and whether people like it or not tumblr and ao3 and the entire rest of fandom are in fact adult spaces. i’m fucking sick of the way this censorship-positive mindset has taken root in modern fandom and i really don’t want to engage with anyone who thinks it’s okay or normal or acceptable.

#i'm really worked up about this today actually #anonymous #asks #fandom meta #/grits teeth

[profictionoverhaul]

Not to make a discourse post, BUT:

If you have to basically go "I am my own source" or "dude just trust me" when you make a claim on behalf of (insert group here), your claim isn't very trustworthy. "Well I've seen people say—" "I have friends that—"

Yes, all of your experiences are valid, but you need to realize that there always will be people of that very same group, who haven't and will (hopefully) never go through the experiences you did. Do not speak for them. Do not speak over them. Do not harass them.

It's THAT easy.

Antis love to go "how hard is it to not draw porn of fictional minors", okay, how hard is it for you to block that content? I'll give you a hint: Thanks to the reform of the internet to be safer and block content (without censorship— very important), you have lots of handy dandy tools to curate your experience! Back in the day there was no followers or influencers, and any site you liked up could've been a porn site with no warnings.

Let me be clear, TAGS AND WARNINGS ARE A PRIVILEGE. (And a very important one at that) Fandom fans before you had to fight to get that implemented or hell, even had to make their own sites (like AO3) just to help people not be censored by companies and sites constantly. Literally any LGBT content back then could be taken down for being "inappropriate."

Understand that if you are an Anti, especially Anti-ship, you ARE pro-censorship. You're literally supporting the same people who want to ban anime from the internet for "being too sexual and graphic". Attack On Titan, Death Note, Fruits Basket, ALL OF IT. They don't want a "pick and choose", they want it ALL GONE. It's too hard for them to dictate what Anime is graphic and what isn't, so they'd rather ban it all.

That's what Antis are doing. You're imitating conservative views but slapping a fresh coat of hypocrisy on it cause you happen to be apart of the demographic conservatives want to get rid of.

You want change? Change yourself first, stop trying to force other people to change. You're gonna hurt yourself and hell, you may just piss someone off enough that they hurt you.

As a quick side note: There's been a lot of Antis saying "well I'm an Anti and I don't harass or doxx people, I just block and move on", and you're so valid, but you're not an Anti. Please stop calling yourself an Anti, many artists will block you on sight if you calm yourself an Anti, they don't have time to look up if you yourself have harassed or doxxed a person, so they'd rather be safe then sorry and block your ass before you have a chance to try to harass them.

Antis: hurt people, actively so, in their mind the end justifies the means, even if it causes people to harm or even kill themselves.

Neutralist: People who block and move on, people who respect the difference in ships and would never wish real life physical harm over Fictional content. Generally do not join shipping discourse and can see pros and cons of each side.

Proshipper/Anti-anti: people who actively go against Antis and carries many of the same ideals as a neutralist, though they may or may not join in on discourse.

TL:DR- Being an Anti promotes censorship of any problematic media, in the broadest sense. So if LGBT media is problematic to some 69 year old boomer? They can get it take down for being problematic to them. That's what Antis are advocating for. Remember, you can either be an Anti, Pro-shipper/anti-anti, or a neutralist. (Or just unaware of it all tbh)

#pro shipping #pro ship blog #pro ship safe #anti anti #anti antis #proship #anti #ship discourse #anti drama #shipping discourse #shipping

[affatmntfan]

AFFA-UPDATES

Time runs fast; very soon the nomination ballot will be open. Here everything you need to know.

What exactly is the AFFA?  How it’s work?

The Tmnt Adult Fanfiction Awards is an event where readers and fans can reward their favorite fanfiction writers and art creators.  The AFFA is the once-yearly Academy Awards for TMNT fan fiction writers. It matters - it means the world to the people who spend hours writing and then posting their creations for your enjoyment. This is a great opportunity to become acquainted with writers you haven’t yet explored.  This is a great way to discover talented people whose works you might not have found on your own - simply by reading the nominee list.

The first two-week block of the Competition is the ‘Nominations Window’. During the nomination window, you will have to nominate your fave stories of the year, in the categories they are fitting the best. 

Nominations may only be submitted using the *Nomination Form*, starting January 1st. The awards will be for fanfictions published or updated in 2020, but they don’t have to be complete. We need to be able to see when a story has been updated/published or it will be disqualified. The  Art categories will also have date restrictions and will need to have been posted in 2020. Art has to been related to a story, except for the comic.  At the end of the nomination period, a nominee list will be posted. Those would be the stories you can vote for.

Everything you want to know is here:

RULES

CALENDAR

CATEGORIES LIST

Questions and Answers about the TMNT Adult fanfiction Awards

The nomination period for the TMNT Adult fanfiction Awards starts January 1st. Here are some frequently asked questions along with the answers to help you fill out your nomination ballot.

Q – What do you mean by Adult fanfiction awards?

A-The AFFA is for the Mature/Erotica. So the AFFA is intended for people age 18 or older, with ratings from T – E (or M depending on web site).

Q – Can I nominate fan fiction or art that won in previous years?

A – No. Previous winners can’t be nominated, except for the BEST OF THE DECADE categories.

Q- Can I only nominate stories that were started or updated in 2020?

A – Yes.  except for the BEST OF THE DECADE categories. 

  Q – Where do I start looking for stories or art to nominate?

A – A good starting place is in the Toot Your Own Horn posting.  This is where writers and artists have listed their eligible works, to make it easier for you to find them.

Q – Am I limited to only nominating from the Toot Your Own Horn list? When the list will be posted? Where I can find that list?

A-Creators will be invited to post their Toot around December 15th. It will be posted on the AFFA blog and on Deviant Art.

A – No.  You can nominate any eligible works, even those not listed.  If you aren’t sure whether the work has won in the past, go ahead and leave a question about that here in the comments.  We can look it up for you.

Q- What is Toot’s purpose?

A-It’s self-promotion. It helps those of us who are filling out our nomination ballots to remember the things we’ve consumed over the past year.  It helps us to find the things we’ve loved.  By listing your eligible works, we’ll know what can be nominated.  Too often the awards administrators have to ‘void’ a nomination form because it included something that wasn’t eligible. Keep in mind you can nominate any eligible works, even those not listed.  If you aren’t sure whether the work has won in the past, go ahead and leave a question about that here in the comments.  We can look it up for you.

Q – Why do I have to include a link to a site where I have an account?

A – A link to your Tumblr, ff.net, AO3 or other site proves that you are a real person. It ensures that each person nominates/votes only once to keep things fair.  Without a working link, your ballot will be disqualified.

Q – Can I nominate my own work?

A – No.

Q – In how many categories can I nominate a particular story?

A – You can nominate the same story in only 3 categories, no more.

Q – How many stories can I nominate in one category?

A – Only one.

Q – Who makes the final decision on whether a story is eligible or not?

A – The Awards staff makes that decision.

Q – If I nominate something that isn’t eligible, will my ballot be voided?

A – No, only that particular nomination will be voided.  The remainder of your nominations, if they are eligible, will be accepted.

Q – Will my nominations and votes be kept secret?

A – Yes. The only people who will see these are official members of the Awards staff. NO ANTIS CAN HARASS YOU ABOUT IT.

Q – Can you explain the two different sections under the Mature Ballot?

A – The Mature Ballot is separated into two sections; the Mature Section and the Erotica Section.

The Mature Section is for adult themes such as violence, explicit language, sex, dark themes, gore, substance use/addiction, abuse, T-cest, sensitive subject-matter, and non-consensual sexual relations.  Some T rated fics will qualify, depending on the content. Most fics will be rated M or E (explicit).

The Erotica Section is for adult-themed stories rated explicit/XXX where the primary focus is sex and erotica.  This means that consensual sexual relations are the main focus of the story. 

Q – Do I have to fill out the entire nomination ballot for it to be accepted?

A – No.  Fill out as many or few categories as you would like.

If you still have questions, please drop them in the comment section and we’ll find the answers.  If you’d rather keep it private, feel free to send us a note here.

We need MORE volunteers to make some badges for the 2020  AFFA winners-updates

Rules: Dimensions: Minimum of 800 x 800 pixels.

The logo must be included. You can change the color/shade and fill the letters. Here three examples.

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Available categories:

ADULT FANFICTION AWARDS 2020 CATEGORIES

BEST MULTICHAPTER- WIP OR NOT-

MOST STUNNING ONE-SHOT

BEST PORTRAYAL OF A TURTLE

BEST PORTRAYAL OF A CANON ALLY/A VILLAIN

MOST EXCITING ACTION/ADVENTURE

FUNNIEST LEWD COMEDY

BEST ROMANCE

MOST COMPELLING AU/CROSSOVER

BEST DARK PSYCHOLOGICAL/HEARTBREAKING TRAGEDY

MOST DISTURBING HORROR/PARANORMAL

BEST EROTICA

SEXIEST LEONARDO

SEXIEST RAPHAEL

SEXIEST DONATELLO

SEXIEST MICHELANGELO

MOST TURTLE-TASTIC T-CEST

HOTTEST HETERO

STEAMIEAST SLASH

MOST TORRID TRIANGLE OR GROUP

SPICIEST KINK OR FETISH

BEST DUBIOUS CONSENT-NON CONSENTUAL

BEST FANFICTION COVER

BEST COMIC

And to close 2020:

BEST FANFICTION OF THE DECADE

BEST FANFICTION COVER OF THE DECADE

BEST COMIC OF THE DECADE

And as a goodbye to Rise:

BEST RISE FICTION

BEST RISE ART (Comic or fiction related art)

The deadline for submissions is March 4th 2021

You can send them here:  [email protected] 

Questions? Want to do a badge? Drop us a note to [email protected] :

#affa 2020 #adultfanfictionawards #tmnt fanfiction competition