#and i think if we're going to get him overcoming that and el finally getting to hear someone say it to her directly

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Will getting angry at Henry and yelling back at him? oh yes absolutely.

but i don't think that's how their first meeting in s5 is going to go. if we've learned Anything from Will's reaction to fear after s1 is that he tends to... freeze. first with the MF in s2. also with the human flesh MF in s3. but then this extends to non UD related things in s4 and you have these weird shots of something generally bad happening and Will getting his own reaction shot where he just stands and... looks. when he walks out on Angela bullying El at school and then later again at the roller rink during wipe out. he gets these long shots where he just looks pained but doesn't DO anything. doesn't even try to move. and i've seen people hold this against him, saying he doesn't care or that he's useless. when that's actually something built so consistently and focused on (s2 Will even Verbally explains how he feels frozen).

it's his primary trauma response. Will freezes.

at first only when presented with UD creatures like the MF or Dart, where he takes an extra hour to come to Mike one on one to tell him that he knew what Dart was. he knew the moment he saw it but couldn't bring himself to say or do anything in the AV room. but then by s4 we get more and more of these moments where we Know Will is thinking something but he still never acts. he watches El get bullied three times, looks pained, doesn't act, and then desperately tries to help her pic up the pieces (literally with her Diorama) afterwards. even moments like the pizza kitchen have him just watching, not going in to try and talk to El himself, instead pushing Mike to talk, when Will could have Also tried to reassure El as her loving brother who's been by her side in California for months. but he can't do that. Will's entire thing in s4 is talking (mostly to Mike) and reacting to the bad stuff happening.

but now going into s5 we haven't seen Will in the center of UD related action in over a year. he's had a break from that in California. however, despite that, the same trauma reactions that were established for him as far back as s2 are still present as ever and are even visible in moments that Don't include UD monsters now, so that part of the trauma is clearly something that hasn't gotten better since he explained it first in s2 - literally part of his PTSD as Owens identifies it.

so yeah. i absolutely think Will is going to Yell at Henry, get angry at him, go in on him. tell him to go fuck himself. or maybe even try to kick him a bit if we're lucky. but i don't think that will be their first interaction. i think we will build to this. i think that Will Himself has to build to this.

because if we take anything from the way we've been shown Will's trauma to manifest, seeing the man that did Everything to him and is at fault for all the horrors he went through. literally taking his childhood and innocence from him. he's not going to get angry right away. he'll do what he did when he felt helpless seeing El get bullied. or felt helpless seeing the eldritch unknown monster of the UD visit him. he'll freeze... and seeing Will go rigid and frozen as Vecna greets him back after all these years is definitely going to make me want to die SO much more than if Will got his final girl moment of yelling at he man that hurt him right away at the start of the season...

you’re absolutely right! his response used to be flight, but after the UD it became freeze (as opposed to fight or fawn).

Will’s definitely going to have his freeze moment and it’s going to be hard to watch.

I agree that he’s going to overcome it and have his moment of righteous anger /pos at Henry on his own behalf and on the behalf of his loved ones. It’s coming, we saw a glimpse of it in the “we have to kill him” scene. He’s terrified, but he’s also angry.

It’s coming.

#asks #will byers #henry/vecna/001 #st5 scenarios

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jonathan is going to die in s5 ep 4 for the sake of will's story line. it will be the spark for the rest of will's story in the last 4 episodes. i am absolutely convinced.

Interesting! There's a lot to unpack here.

Let's just assume Jonathan does die in season 5. I'm curious why you think this will happen in episode 4. Recalling from memory, all character deaths (named, secondary or main characters) have died within the first 2 or the last 2 episodes. This isn't to say it's not possible, it just hasn't been done before. The closest things that have happened midseason are close calls (Max in season 4) and misdirections (Will's body in season 1).

I really don't think they're going to the kill him at all, but if they did, it would make the most sense for it to happen closer to the end of the season. The problem with thinking that it would spur on Will's story is that Jonthan's death wouldn't just affect Will, it would majorly (hopefully...) affect Joyce and Nancy as well and I don't think killing a main character and having other main characters struck with grief in the middle of the season makes for the best use of screen time. In a show where each season only spans approximately one week and days can span episodes, having a main character who is connected to so many other main characters die would eat up a huge chunk of the season (as they process their grief in a realistic way) OR, if they brush over it quickly, it would feel cheap and do a disservice to the character. Imagine Jonathan does die in episode 4 of season 5 and Nancy's like "Oh no, how sad! Anyways back to my plan..." I would throw my TV off my balcony. So no, I don't think it would happen in the middle of the season.

I also don't think it would happen at the start of the season. One thing I really liked about season 4 is that it set up a great Jonathan storyline that remains unfinished. Seriously, I love the golf scene because it was the first Jonathan-focused scene in Stranger Things since season 1. I have a hard time believing the writers set up the whole "Jonathan is torn between his wants and his responsibilities" plot to kill him in the first few episodes of the new season. It's a good plot and they need to explore it! Also, it's one of the few unresolved threads from ST4.

This leaves killing him in the last few episodes. This is the most likely time they would kill him, but I still don't think this would happen. It's the final season and things should be winding down, not revving up. Jonathan's death would impact multiple main characters (which is a point toward killing him) but I still don't see the show wanting to end on a low note. I truly believe that we're going to get a happy or bittersweet ending and Jonathan's death would bring a weighted sadness beyond bittersweet.

Going back to the idea that death will spur the characters in season 5, I agree with this! I just think it has already happened and that Max's "death" is going to be a huge motivator and plot point in season 5 especially for El and the party. I also think Eddie's death is going to take a toll on Dustin's character in season 5. I don't believe adding in a third death as a motivator in the middle of season 5 is necessary or good idea.

What if instead of Jonathan dying, Will's relationship with Jonathan helps him overcome whatever hold Vecna has on him?

In season 4, Will has a line that I think foreshadows the plan for season 5: he tells El (after her diorama is destroyed) that they'll fix it together. I think the power of love in all of its many forms will be the biggest defense against Vecna in season 5 and will ultimately be how our heroes overcome the Upside Down.

#manifesting a happy ending for season 5 #jonathan doesn't need to die #not for will #and especially not for the stupid love triangle to resolve #i have many thoughts on that too