#and it was just a very spock thing to do

[universalsatan]

i always say that there kinda Is a sliding scale with types of autism (observationally), and the best way i’ve been able to describe it is “hypo” (lack of temp/pain sensitivity, nonverbal/less verbal, hypoemotional) and “hyper” (more texture etc sensitivities, more verbal, more overt stims, more emotional)

anyways just came to the epiphany that sliding scale of Autism Characters Of All Time can actually kinda be represented between spock and dale cooper

#star trek #twin peaks #star trek tos #spock had always been an autism stereotype. and real. he’s just like me fr #but dale cooper is also. yeah. more like me when im more on my adhd bs (probably masking) but like #a lot of the autistic people i tend to know esp. irl are more on the ‘hyper’ side #whereas like. i remember telling another autistic person recently that i had no texture or whatever sensitivities recently #and they were like ‘lucky’ bc fr yeah that’s fair. but also. i have very little temp (a bit more now) and esp. pain sensitivity #like i literally do the spock thing of ‘pain is all in the mind’ and just. Stop feeling it JDJSKGJMSJFJSJE #anyways #mandont

[trek-tracks]

Because both shows have a beloved character named Jim, they both take place on a ship of some kind, and their fanbases have a lot of crossover, these days on Tumblr I am often playing a fun game called "how far can I get into reading this post before I figure out whether it's about Star Trek TOS or Our Flag Means Death?"

#star trek #star trek tos #our flag means death #often it's actually reasonably far and it's only when i hit the name oluwande and not spock that I have to rethink the whole thing #yes i have seen the entirety of ofmd #ironically screened in a star trek discord #it was very enjoyable and i will happily watch the second season but i do feel like one of the few people #who quite enjoyed the show but didn't go feral over it and was just like aw that was a lovely bit of fun

[bumblingbabooshka]

What being Sarek’s Favorite Child Does to a Motherfucker AKA: Mutiny Specialist

[Comic One Transcript] Michael looks off to the side as she speaks with Spock. They are both children. It is implied that Spock has asked Michael to tell Amanda she loves her. M: Why don't you just tell Amanda you love her? Instead of trying to live vicariously through my humanity. Spock appears flustered, caught off guard by the accusation. S: That's not-! I am simply... You are the only one who can do it, Michael! You are the only one and yet you will not- you will...not...n-not... Michael’s gaze stalls Spock’s tongue. Her expression is impassive with a hint of distain. Real or perceived? Her control is iron clad, unlike her Vulcan brother’s. Spock stops speaking, intimidated and suddenly self-conscious. He has seen this look before.  S: Those eyes...the eyes of Vulcan. [Comic Two Transcript] An adult Michael looks tired and disgruntled, vaguely annoyed. She has wrapped a ratty blanket around herself and she is speaking to Spock, ostensibly out of view. M: Spock, I could have spent every second of our childhoods telling Amanda how much I loved her. Seeking out and receiving hugs, kisses and praise. It would still never have been enough for you. You would still resent me. Because it was never about me and my (real or imagined) distance from Amanda. It was about yours. Michael pulls the blanket tighter around her. She looks remorseful. Her previously iron clad control has softened to a circle. M: ...And I am sorry. I'm sorry you could never say you loved her. None of us could, in the end...I wish I could have said it for you. I wish I could have held her for you. But I think you would have only hated me more if I did. [END]

#Michael Burnham #Michael Burnham art #Michael is paler when she's in her freshly-graduated form bc she just stayed inside studying all day #Michael and Sybok mirroring each other with Spock in the middle.... #Human girl who acts Vulcan VS Vulcan boy who acts Human #and then Spock's in the middle #Michael being very conscious about how she carries herself how she phrases things what her face is doing etc etc etc is real to me #I haven't watched a single episode or clip of discovery this is all off the dome #Sarek seems like the type of guy to subconsciously pit his children against each other (does not mean to) #Shows Michael clear favortism bc she's the most 'well behaved' (acts most in line with what he views as Properly Vulcan) #Michael's trouble with facial expressions comes from multiple things #No one around her using facial expressions while growing up on Vulcan + Michael's own anxiety around what her face is doing causing her to #overthink even when she does want to make an expression + I can imagine her consciously training herself not to do things like laugh/smile #Michael favored Sarek over Amanada and Spock favored Amanda over Sarek #and by 'favored' Sarek I mean she spent more time with him. She doesn't really know if she likes him or not...she...it's complicated #She knows him better than Spock or Sybok do but Sarek knows very little about her v_v #I also like the thought of Michael's vocal inflections being a bit off to humans because she was raised amongst Vulcans #Anyway yeah Michael being More Properly Vulcan than Spock despite being fully human is a nice concept to me #angsty #Girl who is your sister and you love her but also a symbol of your own inadequacy so you hate her #star trek #star trek art #that's all for now #Michael: (monotone) that's really funny. (pause. grimace) /I/ MEAN it. #I don't know what Michael and Spock's canon relationship is - again this is just my own heart talking #they love each other so much but also problems problems problems #bea art tag #comic transcripts under the cut bc I know how I format text is confusing and small #Spock #Sarek

[lenievi]

being half done with s1 of SNW reminded me how the writers didn’t really disappoint me in s1 (there might be episodes I enjoyed less than others, but that’s just my taste and sometimes even how I felt that day, overall the characterization - which is the most important for me - was consistent and the characters all fun), how they more or less even validate my own readings of TOS (especially with like T’Pring, but also other small things)... and how ever since Discovery, I was never ever disappointed with their interpretation of Spock and his interpersonal relationships

which is now unfortunately leading me to have more trust in s2 too

and I really don’t want to be disappointed

#like i mean my only true issue is them not honouring kirk and spock's relationship #and by that i mean the non existence of it in this time period lol #i might be in the minority but it's really important to me that their strong connection was made because they were a captain and xo assigned #to the same ship #i don't want any stupid fate or predestination #which is what i really liked about the finale of snw... so i do have hopes #but i'm also fully prepared for them ruining it and me hating it #but also just reading their first meeting in the captain's oath that was literally just a meeting makes me want to see just a random meeting #ala the finale of snw even in the prime timeline #because that's what fits the most #i did see some old-ish interview with the cast where the interviewer was trying to pry what about kirk-spock out of them #and it also made me kind of hopeful because they were kind of evasive and peck was like changing the topic to pike #because like yeah at this time spock doesn't care about kirk. pike is his captain and 'very important to him' #kirk has his own friends - even in the pilot he was closer to gary mitchell than spock #so like i want to trust the writers that they understand this like they understand other things... but... #it's hard lol #yes it's a tv show it doesn't matter but it matters lol #i actually didn't want to talk about this but... wanted to get it out of my head #even though everyone else probably expects the complete opposite lol #leni's nonsense #ETA: on the other hand i guess since they're making spock/chapel more important they might also make this more important #but ugh #it will just ruin the development #and i will hate that #especially if they don't give kirk and mccoy's relationship its deserved due #like in aos #think whatever you want about mccoy and spock but mccoy and kirk - they were extra close and not acknowledging that would be a failure #anyway i'm shutting up but they better honour mccoy and kirk's friendship #it was a constant #even in tos films where they ignored the existence of the triumvirate

[lesenbyan]

I think it says a lot about the narratives we're still not allowed to tell that I always feel immensely more kinship with sci-fi and fantasy biracial characters than those in fiction that more mirrors current day

#personal; #there are VERY FEW things i've seen in current day that have black/white biracial characters to be fair #but considering one of them is Dear White People but they never ever Once in what i saw cover the micro aggressions black people do #towards those of us who are half white #not nearly so well as like. that spock gifset i just rb'd #or the way the academy on vulcan treats him bc his human half #vulcans see him as human and humans see him as vulcan and that isn't what i see in things set in fictional Today #bc the moment you show black people microaggressing against another PoC you're called racist #when like. i have faced SO MUCH MORE microaggression from black people than white #black people who call me oreo. who 'shame about the white'. who have literally threatened my safety. #it's never been white people #the only oreo jokes i get from white people are from white friends with permission and that's it #other than yanno. the systemic shit that individual people can't change #it was a black person in high school who threatened to rape me (and i proceeded to forget about for years bc who could i talk to about it?) #black people who hit on me and then when turned down turn it into disparaging me for being half white and how i'm tainted goods #but the MOMENT you start talking about or displaying that you're called racist #even if it's your lived experience #in my experience white people have treated me far more as a person. and black people treat me as a color. #anyway i guess this is gonna be my day

[goldenliartrash]

Very interested in how vulcan/human sex works. Is vulcan foreplay just holding hands? If the internal structure of both species is so different how come they can have offspring? Do they have human organs with vulcan anatomy or viceversa? Are all sets of genitals compatible or only male vulcans and female humans? Does their offspring inherit both human and vulcan "special traits" (such as telepathy) no matter what or is it just chance? I'm sure there are answers for all of this but I'm too scared of what I might find if I google my questions

#and also how come romulans are considered a different species of alien life #would the child of a vulcan and a romulan be half each even when both species are biologically the same (afaik)? #star trek #this and the androids aren't people until suddenly they are questions keep me up at night #(i should just wait instead of asking all of this in the middle of tos season 1 but im very impatient sorry) #(also tangentially related where do they explain the vulcan hand thing? because spock got sa'd at the beginning of the season and that #has never been addressed at all... they just showed him having a panic attack and left it at that ://)

[universalcaffination]

seeing all the commotion people have been making about that season finale i decided to watch it myself even tho i only know about the series from tumblr and i gotta say... i am in a deep amount of emotional pain...

#the kind of pain where ive been crying for the last 30 minutes #it hurts very much #pike trying to do the right thing ends up destroying so much #and the idea of him in his attempt to avoid his fate and save lives he would push his fate onto spock #someone he probably sees as a son #and a genuinely good kid who tries so hard and deserves so much more #and spock RECOGNIZING/REALIZING this #everyone is right no wonder he's so loyal and willing to go so far for pike in tos during menagerie #he's like a surogate father but also #i just #oh my god my heart #star trek #strange new worlds #snw #spock #pike

[cherry-shipping]

watching star trek with sans soooofun^________^

#this means im watching star trek and im clutching onto my sans stuffie for dear life #because. well you see im watching the episode where spock gets drugged by sex pollen and gets all giggly and cute like a highschool girl #and puts on silly overalls and fucking climbs trees and stuff #and talks about how much he loves the creepy girl sorry i immediately forgot her name even though ive seen this episode before #and well you see. that does stuff to me #ive talked abt spock on here before hes everything to me hes my 2nd biggest blorbo after U Know Who #if he wasnt gay and in love with kirk id be in love with him is the thing #so anyway whenever spock is being cute i go insane because hes my babygirl and stuff and i need my sans stuffie to hold onto #and im also simultaneously daydreaming about watching star trek with sans for realsies #you know how you do that with your fave f/os. like you just imagine youre doing whatever it is youre doing with them #like ill be in the kitchen getting milk or on my way to school or something and my brain is like #ok now pretend sans is there too #and without thinking im like ok sir yes sir. hey sans do you wanna hold hands #its the same now i think wed both have a lot of fun with star trek bc we both love science fiction (''ESPECIALLY WHEN ITS REAL!'') #and ive posted this before but i like imagining my f/os getting either very silently flustered when i gush about my favorite characters #(i.e. f/o sitting next to me getting silently worked up because i just spout pet names about my favorite character) #or that same exact thing except they get a little itsy bitsy teeny tiny jealous about it instead #OR they just think im cute when i get super excited about stuff #i like thinking about all of those like simultaneously with sans #cherry chats #bf (bone friend) #i kinda forgot what i was talking about near the end there somethings been wrong with my head lately i keep getting dizzy all the time #like every 30 seconds i just get hit with this intense wave of dizziness and lightheadedness and then after 1 second it goes back to normal #its like migranes except it doesnt hurt its just like my brain is a fish tryig to get enough momentum to jump out of the water (my cranium) #i thought it was low blood sugar but...... no matter what i eat or how much nothing changes #and it happens all the time too even when im just laying down #its sort of annoying and just a little bit unsettling but anyway as you can imagine it gets worse when im super excited like i am right now #so if im not making a lot of sense thats probably why. um. i forgot what i was doing #GOING BACK TO STAR TREK NOW BYE LOL!!!!!!!!!! sans is with me and were having soooo much fun

[kalu-chan]

Being on Tumblr is just like. Going into a fandom tag. Reading like 3 posts. Vowing to not go into that tag again.

Going back into it the next day.

#at least today was uhhhhh. less bad. #honestly kinda funny bc there were so many #''It's so obvious Ship A is canon and not Ship B because of these things.'' - ''Ship B is clearly canon Ship A is not'' #One after another #As someone with low to no stakes in either it's just kinda like. lmao. chill. #Like yeah ship whatever and it's always nice to see things that imply your ship #(I still smile over ''Dig in there Mr Spock'' and ''Captain please. Not in front of the Klingons.'' :) ) #But you don't need to like. argue against other ships. #Fandom is a playground and y'all are not gonna run out of sand lmao #But god yesterday or the day before was. Oof. #Though also a bit funny bc there were two posts right after another like #''Character A is NOT badly written y'all just suck'' - ''Gosh I wish Character A wasn't so badly written 😭'' #from different people obviously but still skfjwkfj #But uhhh yeah I think I should stay out of the tag. #The fandom can be 1 mutual; 1 close friend I spam on Discord; and a few online pals in a Discord thread #... i plan on writing fanfic for it tho and i'm already. curious. whether that'll finally get me hit by fandom drama #I'm usually good at avoiding it but I do not trust this fandom in particular #Also a lotta people in this tag that go ''Their relationship can't be X because clearly no one in X relationship would act like that'' #which just made very clear they have probably never experienced said type of relationship lmao #Had to add some tags but I'm done now. maybe this time I'll manage to stay out of the tag skfnskfns #I should before the Shipping Arguments make me dislike the ships I enjoyed or was at least neutral about lmao

[squireofgeekdom]

having gone back and watched some relevant tos context (specifically the menagerie) something that i really appreciate about what discovery established in hindsight is like just. ah yes spock goes rogue and takes his whole ship and defies starfleet’s strictest regulations for pike? here’s pike also taking his whole ship, defying starfleet’s strictest regulations, and taking his ship on the run to protect spock. the disco and snw teams looked at the menagerie and went ah yes. so they’re both ride or die. got it. and that was incredibly correct of them. 

#clearly the whole business with [redacted for finale spoilers] #never reached anyone with clearance to know about discovery #otherwise they'd be like 'NOPE WE KNOW WHAT #HAPPENED LAST TIME SOMEONE TRIED TO ARREST ONE OF PIKE'S CREW #NOT DOING THAT AGAIN' #pike just like 'you accuse spock of murder? you accuse him of murder like criminal? #oh! mutiny for starfleet!' #pike looks at anything with Bad Things For Spock and is just like. nope. that's the breaking point. #neither of spock's captains have been Normal(tm) about spock and that's just how it is #bc spock has never been Normal about either of his captains #pike is just in a constant state of being #christopher 'oh! love and affection for crew! love and affection for crew for 1000 years!' #pike #and that's just how it is #r: you are very important to me #squire going to strange new worlds #squire on discovery #convinced pike's vote for conviction in the menagerie #was to try and put an end to the trial and get spock to stop the enterprise #before they reached talosian space #so spock would only be court martialed and not #yknow. killed. #canon may contradict me on that but that's my story and im stickin to it. #spock really went ' you believe fate dictates your future has to go here and i trust you #but i refuse to accept your future *ends* here and i will grab fate and starfleet regs by the tail so it doesn't ' #how am i supposed to not be a bit feral about this? my god

[skenpiel]

im emotional Just kidding im normal

#okaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay. finished the movie finally. #awesome that only took like 3 hours im fucking great at this #Ummmm so okay thoughts. the 'not in front of the klingons' scene was actually so more gay than the gifs could convey. #cause they didnt feature the like 4 seconds of just lovestruck staring kirk did before Reaching In #nor the embarrassment when he just shuffled away. so cute #also scotty is still a very very cute old man i stand by him getting cuter and cuter i love him so much #he could be my dad. id be so happy if he were my dad #i know there was heavily implied romance between him and uhura but im sorry i just dont buy it #uhura and sulu are wlw/mlm besties thats got nothing to do with george takei being gay thats just the vibes i get #also loving the kirk/spock/mccoy hug thing. i know they were flying on rocket shoes but it was still so cute #insane that william shatner‚ a well known homophobe‚ was the director of so many gay as fuck scenes in one movie #obsessed with some of the dialogue like when theyre going to sleep around the campfire and spock goes #'captain. life is not a dream' (said like a conclusion that took awhile to get to) (entirely possible) #and kirk just goes 'go to sleep spock' like aiuhuiheoawhghgrgdsgsf #also more of spock being a notorious liar. hes so committed to the 'vulcans dont lie' lie its hilarious #ougouh. i could say so much about this movie but most of all i just like the silly authentic dialogue #kirk really didnt have a single fucking character flaw until the movies huh. now hes just a silly guy in space <3 #urgh theres that blooper scene of kirk and mccoy kissing why couldnt we get one like that with spock. so unfair #anyway um so normal now i cant believe i only got one movie left thats so fucking sad

[the-cimmerians]

It's 2024. I have been participating in fandom for 40 years. This is a ramble commemorating some history I've experienced along the way.

In 1984, I attended my first convention, and made a beeline for the one long row of covered tables in the Dealer's Room that was, according to the whispered lore of my friends, 'the one'. "um", I said, very suavely and coherently, except for how it was totally the opposite of those things, "I'm here for the... for the, uh. For-"

"Come around here," the man behind the table said with exhausted ennui, so I went around, and he lifted up the table skirt next to him and pointed to rows and rows of boxes underneath the line of tables. "It's all under here."

It was all under there. Along with about five older ladies with glasses, graying hair, cardigans. Flipping through slash zines and chatting in whispered voices like old friends (which of course they were). I noticed one of them had the good sense to be wearing kneepads. I was still too young and ablebodied to need kneepads when crawling on a carpeted floor, but I immediately found her preparedness skills to be both impressive and hot. "You're new," one of the ladies whispered to me--a bit warily, which made sense. "Are you sure you're in the right place?"

In the faint light (the kneepads lady had also come prepared with a flashlight, additional practicality hotness points for her) I grabbed a comb-bound book with a heavy line art piece on the cover, featuring a musclebound Captain Kirk getting righteously and enthusiastically plowed by a stern-yet-ebullient Spock. "This," I said, pointing helpfully at the cover, like I was trying to make myself understood in a language I had only the vaguest knowledge of. "I'm here for this."

Outside at the convention, most of the attendees were wearing large homemade circular pins that shrieked 'K/S is BS!!!'1. But underneath the table, we reveled in the forbidden.

***

In 1985, I fell very hard for Starsky & Hutch fandom. Which was simply referred to at the time as 'the other fandom', because there were only two. We were upstarts. Many fannish elders predicted that it was just a phase.

***

The 'circulating library' was a massive stack of barely-legible pages that smelled strongly of mimeograph ink. When you were on the list, you would write stories while you waited for your turn, and when the big box was mailed to you, you would read everything (new finds, old favorites), add your own sloppily-typed or hastily-mimeographed stories, and then mail the whole thing to the next person. For me, at the time, it was an extremely expensive indulgence--but my favorite one.

***

By 1990, slash fandom had grown enough that I no longer knew everyone in it, which was both thrilling and a bit daunting. A young woman at a convention waited for me after a panel I was part of (I think it was 'writing impactful smut' or something like that), and said she had a question she didn't want to ask in a group setting. I'd heard that before. I said that's fine, go ahead and ask; and she came out with: "Why do you have to be gay?"

I blinked. "Is... that a problem?"

She looked annoyed. "Yes, because your stories are on all the recommendation lists and in all the top zines, but if you're gay and I read something you wrote and I get hot from it that makes me gay, and I'm not gay."

"Wow." I grinned, I couldn't help it. It probably made me look very predatory-dyke-about-to-score-a-toaster. Whatever, it was enough to make her back away from me fast.

When I thought about it later that night, I wondered what it would be like not to be the only queer person in slash fandom.

***

By 1997, slash started appearing on the internet. Many fannish elders claimed it was the death knell of slash fandom, or dismissed it as 'just a phase'.

***

Anyway, I wrote all this for myself as a commemoration of sorts, but if you took the time to read it--thank you. Love you, fandom. I always will.

1 In those days, m/m fandom was known as 'slash', which grew from the fannish shorthand where 'K&S' meant a story of Kirk and Spock having adventures or tribulations or what have you, and 'K/S' meant a story of Kirk and Spock getting it on (Kirk divided by Spock or Spock into Kirk--it was mathy fannish humor and I was into it then and I still am now). Slash was decidedly unpopular in the fannish world in 1984, and there was a concerted effort to force slash authors, artists, and fans out of 'mainstream' fannish public life. Hence, under the table.

#fannish shenanigans #fandom history #rare ass personal post

[vulcanhello]

#i thought the genome stuff was wicked interesting and the reveal of how it corrupted the scientist who abused it was awesome. its literally #awesome its one of my favorite things ever its so nasty and scary but i am not planning on reading whatever tf vanguard is so it as someone #whos being introduced to the concepts thru this book i understood it and honestly really enjoyed it #i love spock and chekov and sulu and they were our main starfleet characters which was great even if kirk and mccoy were barely in it and #didnt really do anything when they were. which was fine. i liked kirks little drama over matt decker bc thats one of my fav episodes so i #liked his and mccoys one conversation about it #but my favorite part of this whole fucking book was the KLINGONS #and thats BIG for me to say because usually im bored or even skip klingon pov chapters if i dont like them #there have been very few klingons who are good in these books but mara and her strike team are my absolute favs #and obviously mara isnt an oc shes in the original series but in this shes so fleshed out as are the other klingons that their chapters were #the best to me. its their determination and their good humor and their sense of whats right that i find really interesting #but there were some things i didnt like! #for example. we did not need an army of npc natives for spock & crew to slay so gruesomely it was actually gross #i was also uncertain if the natives were under actual mind control or just more scared of the godhead (cthulu guy) than they were of #starfleet and the klingons idk i just didnt like it. i think the godhead was insane enough on its on that the rows and rows of noname #nopersonality infantrymen was completely unnecesary #looking back when i reread this itll definitely just be from the time spock&co land on the planet to the time they leave #i really felt like mccoy and spock shouldve had some sort of conversation at the end as well #where kirk is endlessly pretty hopeful over things (as much as he broods in this book lol im talking in general) mccoy is much more likely #to agree with spock (in his own way). spock would go to him like Doctor. i have recently found that some things are inherently evil and #cannot be saved and that sometimes the only way out of a situation is to commit horribly unethical violence against living beings and mccoy #would be like i know whatyou mean spock sometimes jim makes me use the transporter #trek books

[vildo]

This scene is brilliant, because you can see how desperately Jim is trying to get Spock to show an ounce of affection, and then he is frustrated of something he should not have expected of Spock in the first place. Not that he blames Spock, yet he is sure this is anything to either of them but some mutual advantage; his tone softens gradually, because he doesn’t want Spock to be made to do or say anything for his sake, something only Jim wishes to hear. It’s been a while, and here they are, both very well aware of the fact that Spock chose to abandon Kolinahr, which gives Jim every right to demand attention from Spock regardless of how little that might be. Perhaps it is too much to ask of him anyways, and he is making peace with it knowing this is how Spock has always been. Spock knows. This is what’s killing Jim. Is there anything else? No. Not unless he wants it to be. He’s here and that’s all that matters, and yet Jim can’t shake the feeling that Spock is deliberately holding back what he’s really feeling at the moment. They’ve spent too long together and have been too close to each other than for him not to notice Spock is shutting him out. And even so, he still chooses to be patient. The last thing he wants is to push it. He longs for Spock, yet selflessly so. He also knows that this is just as hard on Spock as it is on him.

#star trek #star trek tmp #the motion picture #james t kirk #spock #spirk #i know i’m not just reading but writing between the lines as well #yet i see it #and couldn’t help it #star trek spirk #tmp #long post #kinda #i tried to keep it as brief as i could #FEELINGS #star trek tos #st tos #tos spirk #star trek the original series #tos #spirk tos #captain kirk #jim kirk #mr spock #kirk/spock #kirk x spock #don’t mind me #star trek 1979