#and lyanna is arya’s aunt & a lot like her

[thaliajoy-blog]

Honestly becoming a bit obsessed with the secondary animal association of some ASOIAF girls this Brienne symbolism has made me spiral...

Like level one you've got Sansa who's associated to several bird species - she's a little bird (evoking a sparrow or a dove), she's compared to an exotic talking bird (so a parrot or a parakeet), her false father Littlefinger has a mockingbird as a symbol, & she takes refuge in the Vale, home of the Arryn falcon. Bran wishes he was associated to so many birds...

Then you've got Brienne, who is associated to the bear and to the lion indirectly with Jaime. From there there's the whole maiden & the wild beasts dynamic to consider, this magical connection virgin women have to nature & wild animals (like the unicorn for one), how they "tame" them with their innocence and purity. Brienne "tames" Jaime physically, same with the bear, but she also most importantly does with her purity of heart & dedication to knightly values (and once "tamed" he fights to protect her). You could say Brienne has to deal with a lot of human beasts - like Vargo Hoat, "the Goat", or Rorge & Biter, who are each acting or described as animalistic men, & she fights or kill most of them.

And then you've got Arya - I found it interesting that outside of her wolf self she's associated with either much smaller & tamer animals. She's a grey mouse in Harrenhal, or a weasel & a squirrel... she's also a horse as Arya Horseface (plus association to her aunt Lyanna, the "centaur"), and a cat as Cat of the Cannals.

#sansa stark #brienne of tarth #arya stark #valyrianscrolls #asoiaf meta

[thelustybraavosimaid]

This is among some of the stupidest theories I have ever seen and that's...well, that's saying a lot. George really hammers in their ages and establishes this in AGoT, but somehow George is secretly lying in both the books and interviews about Jon and Dany's ages.

Are you kidding me?

Holy shit, blue. "If your best defense is that the age difference between Jon and Dany is somehow a concrete time span from an interview source rather than the book, you have a very weak defense."

Alright bro I got you

For nigh on half a year, they had lived in the magister's house, eating his food, pampered by his servants. Dany was thirteen, old enough to know that such gifts seldom come without their price, here in the free city of Pentos. (Daenerys I, AGoT)

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"Ass," Jon muttered, low enough so Greyjoy did not hear. He put a hand on Bran's shoulder, and Bran looked over at his bastard brother. "You did well," Jon told him solemnly. Jon was fourteen, an old hand at justice. (Bran I, AGoT)

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"I am almost a man grown," Jon protested. "I will turn fifteen on my next name day, and Maester Luwin says bastards grow up faster than other children." (Jon I, AGoT)

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"He said he'd be back by my name day," he admitted. His name day had come and gone, unremarked, a fortnight past. (Jon III, AGoT)

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"I know," Dany told her.

It was her fourteenth name day. (Daenerys III, AGoT)

The problem with this fandom is that they 100% believe that George is playing 4D chess and that nothing is as it seems despite the books spelling this out plainly. Dany is younger than Jon. This is not a conspiracy lol

What would be the purpose of this inclusion in the narrative, anyway? The "truth" that Dany is older than Jon?

What would it serve?

Fr this is just as bad as that one guy saying that Bran's vision of seeing Lyanna and Ned being a "sentimental father" is proof that Arya doesn't *actually* look like Lyanna. Bran was just drugged up and Ned wanted to reassure her! (Of fucken what? It's not like she asked if she looked like her aunt!)

Wow. I just...wow.

#asoiaf #??????

[atopvisenyashill]

You said that you don’t like Jonerys, but do you see it happening in the books? Do you see them actually falling in love?

there is nothing about their personalities that has ever lead me to believe they’d be capable of tolerating each other for more than 10 minutes before a slap fight started. nor do i think jon will be amenable to making any more alliances with targaryens after aegon vi dies, especially with the North in such peril due to the others. that + sansa’s distrust of The Great Game & the people who play it + arya spending half her storyline in a city that hated valyria & it’s legacy of slavery + bran telling br he can take his borg hivemind and shove it all leads me to believe that the starks are gonna be petty at best & actively hostile to the iron throne at worst by the time dany lands.

and by the time dany lands…we’ll have the burning in vaes dothrak, which is likely to be a huge moral turning point for her bc as george said, her being unburnt was a once in a lifetime magic event. she’s likely ordering drogon to burn the khals which is so much different - and more villainous! - than just lighting a torch & watching the place go up in flame. we’ll have “to go west you must go east” which is going to involve her sacking a city with the dothraki. we’ll have the battle of fire in meereen & a team up with a greyjoy which just spells disaster. then she lands in westeros with an army made up of dothraki screamers, unsullied slaves, and headed by jorah fucking mormont and a greyjoy. i’m not even sure when she has the time to meet jon let alone get dicked down by him!

(part of my “snowspear is real” trutherism is that i think dany in the show was given like half of aegon vi’s plot. considering arianne is going to meet them at storm’s end, which is a hop, skip, and jump away from dragonstone, it makes way more sense to me that the main targ the starklings would be dealing with is aegon. i also think that jon finding out he’s lyanna & rhaegar’s as he’s dealing with rhaegar’s trueborn son & has completely thrown his lot in with the north is gonna hit way more emotionally than jon finding out he fucked his aunt. george does a lot with romance, this is true, but the main relationships in this series? they’re siblings! they’re parents & children! cersei & robert are haunted by the ghost of lyanna but lyanna has always been a stand in for robert’s love for NED. cat & ned’s relationship is doomed before it even starts by LYANNA and JON, not by a former lover! all three lannister kids wonder how their lives would have turned out if their mother had lived!! it’s about ~these ties that bind us~ it’s about the human heart in conflict with itself! i just don’t see how you pass up two unknown half brothers meeting & clashing & then finding out they’re related in favor of…a very predictable, very boring romance between your fire & ice coded mains).

tldr i still generally feel no bc i’ve never thought they’d get along very well, plus there’s no time, but i’m pretty ready to eat my words on that one and cringe my way through a sex scene between them.

#snowspear #ITS GONNA HAPPEN MORHERDUCKERS #anti daenerys targaryen #anti jonerys #again. not anti. just critical. i’m excited to see them clash!! that’s infinitely more interesting to me!!! #twow speculation #ados speculation #i actually had a whole rant to my sibling that i thought the romance ws invented in the show #as a shortcut emotional tie bc they axed aegon. and before i could finish the thought my sibling #who has never read the series but is very smart and reads a lot of dense fantasy. was like ‘oh it was invented bc they cut his brother that #makes sense’ akskdkdk LIKE?

[tartheanmaid]

Can I ask why you ship Jon and Sansa? (I'm assuming that's what the Jonsa means in your bio) Not attacking you or anything just curious. They are half siblings and while Jon was a bit separated due to him being the bastard they still were raised together and he's much older. Ik incest and weird relationships is normal in GOT but still

i’m not much involved in the show fandom anymore, but going by medieval and asoiaf/book lore, jonsa isn’t incest. i can direct you to much more lovely people who could explain this way better if you like, but they aren’t half-siblings. ned is not jon’s father, rhaegar is. jon is lyanna’s son (ned’s sister).

westeros is very culturally against incest in all forms, but their definition of it is quite different from the modern world’s. i’m the kind of person who, when i engage in a piece of media, i try to do it through the lens of someone who would actually live there. that is why i don’t consider jonsa incest, because in westeros cousin marriage is not only accepted but extremely common. lysa, sansa’s aunt, wished to marry sansa to her cousin/lysa’s son sweetrobin. additionally, ned, lyanna, brandon, and benjen’s parents (the starklings paternal grandparents), were first cousins.

the only kinds of incest westeros and essos condemn are sibling/sibling, aunt/nephew, mother/son, and father/daughter.

i believe george intentionally didn’t make them interact at all in the chapters where they’re both in the same location. i also believe it is sansa, not arya or jeyne poole or alys karstark who is the girl in grey.

why do i ship them in a general sense? 1. i believe they are compatible and would work well together as a couple based on their own internal wants and feelings about love and marriage.* 2. if sansa is to hold some sort of northern leadership, she must marry a man who is willing to give up all of his titles + name for her so that they may continue house stark. jon is the perfect fit for that in my opinion ( @istumpysk has a great meta on this titled “find sansa’s husband”).

* “Sansa, two years older, drew the crown prince, Joffrey Baratheon. He was twelve, younger than Jon or Robb, but taller than either, to Jon's vast dismay. Prince Joffrey had his sister's hair and his mother's deep green eyes. A thick tangle of blond curls dripped down past his golden choker and high velvet collar. Sansa looked radiant as she walked beside him, but Jon did not like Joffrey's pouty lips or the bored, disdainful way he looked at Winterfell's Great Hall.” - JON I, AGOT

as for the age gap, that part does make me sort of uneasy, but i do believe george feels the same way about that. which i think is why he tried so hard to make the 5 year gap work (if you’re not familiar, the 5 year gap was a scrapped time jump that was to happen in between ADWD and TWOW). if the 5 year gap had ended up working out, sansa would be around 17/18, and jon around 20/21. their age gap may seem like a lot because of how young they are, but when you age them up just a bit it starts to make a little more sense.

hope this helps! /gen

#blogs like agentrouka istumpysk kellyvela and many more can and have said this much better than me #jonsa #anon #ask

[hello-nichya-here]

Maybe I'm stating the obvious here, but I think Sansa and Arya got some subconscious daddy kink (no shaming btw) because why else would Sansa fall for a man mistaken for her father and Arya is so attached to Jon, the Stark son who looks most like Ned. There's also Jon basing all his crushes on Arya, who unbeknownst to him, is like his bio mom, Lyanna, in both looks and personality. Overall, I find it very interesting.

As much I'm a total slut for a good Daddy kink, and would love some Sansan and Jonrya fics with that, I don't think that's what's going on.

Unlike something like Jon explicitly comparing his girlfriend's body to Arya's, when she's undressing for him so they can have sex, these other situations have some key differences.

Like you said, Jon doesn't even know Lyanna is his mom, so him being drawn to Arya, who has a simmilar personality to her aunt, doesn't strike me as his brain doing that level of freudian connections, but rather the simple fact that, as her son, Jon has things in common with Lyanna because one's personality is a combo of nature (aka genetics) and nurture - so naturally he gets along well with (and was originally going to fall for) a person that is a lot like the woman he himself resembles. It's more a matter of compatibility than having some complex about his mother.

The same goes for Arya liking Jon, who is a lot like Ned - who she also has a lot in common with. They also have the added bonus of feeling like outcasts. Arya doesn't like typical "girly" things, Jon is a bastard. They don't fit in, so they stick together. Of course they're closer to each other than to their siblings - all of which have lots in common with Ned.

Their looks are also not that relevant, because they are close friends, and were going to be into each other in the original plans, because of their personalities (See Jon liking Val and Ygritte, who look nothing like each other or Arya, but have the same kind of personality he's naturally drawn to) so them happening to resemble each other's parents is not really significant (even if it becomes funny considering they're cousins/siblings).

Sansa mistaking Sandor for her dad is a bit more sus considering all the romance themes in her dynamic with him, but the context in which it happens is one of their few interactions that does NOT have a romantic coding. People are scared of her wolf, Lady - aka one of the magical creatures that protect the Starks - and she's feeling unsafe around all these strangers that are looking at her weird, and some that ARE being somewhat thretening... and then Sandor Clegane, the Hound, comes in, and she assumes is her dad there to protect her. That is a role Sandor will take on A LOT. We even have Robert's famous quote when it comes to making Ned kill Lady "Give her a dog, she'll be happier for it."

If she had thought about the simmilarities between Sandor's physical appearance (aka the half of his face that has not been burned) or any of his Ned-like personality traits - which are not that many, though the ones that exist are important - in moments like when she's imagining him replacing her husband on her marriage bed, yeah, that could absolutely be taken as her having a complex. But that's not what we got.

The closest we got to Ned having an influence in Sansa's romantic choices, is her wanting someone who was like the ideal husband her dad wanted her to have - brave, gentle and strong. She consistently refers to Sandor as being all three (even if the gentle part can go out the window if he's triggered and/or drunk) but that is more a sign of her realizing her dad was right and that she would have been happier with someone like that than with freaking Joffrey.

Considering she's freaked out by Littlefinger, who IS very much trying to be both her father and her lover at the same time, I'd say that is simply not Sansa's deal.

Littlefinger is also why I think Sandor's features are more northern-like (besides representing Sansa eventually chosing the North over the South) - he "lost" Catelyn to both Stark brother's, and now will lose his replacement!Catelyn to a man that was literally mistaken as Arya's father, aka could easily pass for a Stark. It's just perfect.

But like I said, I'm 100% into that kind of thing, so if you ever find any good fic for these pairings with that aspect in it, drop the link.

#asks #jonrya #sansan

[kellyvela]

The gatekeeping with #those stans in regard to Lyanna parallels sends me lol. She's a long dead minor character whose only characterization is, 'I can't marry Robert because he'll cheat on me' before she runs off with a married father of two lmaooooo. People really need to stop acting like she's some amazing character only a select, lucky few characters can be compared to lmao. They really need to be serious ISTG.

I think there's more about Lyanna and why did she run away with -the married and father of two- throne prince of Westeros. And we'll only know about it when George finish the books.

But yeah, so far Lyanna running away with Rhaegar was really fucked up, it started a rebellion, killed her father and big brother, killed a lot of innocent people and destroyed the royal family by killing some of them and making the rest a pair of exiled beggars. And it also killed her, leaving her son an orphan. A tragedy.

Sansa doesnt' have the Stark look, she doesn't like to ride or fight with swords, but like Lyanna, Sansa fell for a royal blondie and their relationship ended in war, with her father and big brother killed by blondie's family and with her trapped in some tower of Maegor's holdfast. A similar tragedy.

While Arya, like Lyanna, has the Stark look, a bit too much of the wolf's blood, likes to ride and fights with swords.

Neither Sansa or Arya are exactly the same as Lyanna, but they both share similarities with their dead aunt, and denying that is simply being obtuse.

#anon asks #sansa stark

[aemontargaryen-bloodraven]

Coming in with Lyanna being painted as just Arya in the past. There is this notion that bled into a lot of fanfic writers and is that Lyanna apparently struggled with her femininity as much as Arya did (ie, some fics have her not liking to be called lady for some reason or saying that this and ladylike thing is stupid) despite the fact that is never alluded in canon. Yes, Lyanna didn't want to be married to Robert, but she is not the first woman to not like a forced marriage. She clearly had interest on jousting and knight valour, something Arya is not shown to be that interested at. We have dialogue from Lyanna, she is not another dead lady. I think Lyanna, for example, would have left Winterfell if she had had the chance. Meanwhile Arya's whole arc is about coming back to Winterfell. And so on.

Yep.

Lyanna and Arya are two different characters. Yes, they are compared in canon and parallels are drawn and honestly more than half of it has to do with establishing the Lyanna and Jon connection.

Primarily, Lyanna's role in the narrative is not being Arya's aunt but being Jon's mother.

Here's another difference between Lyanna and Arya. Lyanna didn't have any support from her big brothers when she was getting forcefully married, but Arya does. Brandon was the Robert Baratheon of the North and Eddard Stark was the one who brought up the betrothal with Robert Baratheon in the first place. Arya does not have that problem, Jon uses his every single trick in the book to get Arya out of a forced marriage when Lyanna's brother (Eddard) was pushing her into one.

Lyanna would have left Winterfell...I don't know. But yeah, for me the only reason she came back to Winterfell is because she could be closer to Jon. It wasn't because of Rickard or Brandon or Ned or her love for the North, it was because of her son.

Lyanna fights three people to protect Howland, Jon fights three people to protect Sam.

Lyanna despises the idea of an arranged marriage, so does Jon.

Lyanna and Jon have the same reaction after seeing Bobby B. 'What a disappointment?!'

Lyanna and Jon both have a love of horse riding.

Lyanna and Jon both feel kind of out of place in Winterfell.

Lyanna and Jon are both stubborn and have that wolf's blood thing going on.

Ned Stark tries to dupe both Lyanna and Jon. He tries to paint a rosy picture of Robert to Lyanna and miserably fails with Lyanna managing to find her way out of it. On the other hand, Ned's rosy picture of the Night's Watch is what lands Jon amoung rapist and thiefs.

#Lyanna Stark #Jon Snow #Eddard Stark #Ned Stark #ASOIAF #These are just off the top of my head #Feel free to add more

[asongofstarkandtargaryen]

Who do you think each starkling takes after, Robb and Bran both seem quite similar to Ned but not as quiet and introverted as their father

Jon also seems similar to Ned but with more ambition possibly from Rickard.

Rickon is wild which links him to Brandon but it's probably due to his upbringing more than anything.

Arya takes after her aunt a lot but still has traits from both her parents as well.

Sansa is quite difficult to look at due to her being the most Southern influenced of the kids

I think it's important to make a disjuction between parallels that are important within the story and those that aren't.

In my opinion, the only plot relevant Stark parallels so far are those between Arya and Lyanna and Sansa and Catelyn. It's not like Arya doesn't share characteristics with both her father and her mother. Or that Sansa doesn't have anything in common with her father. But those parallels are highlighted for a reason.

I agree with you that while Robb and Bran favor their mother in terms of appearence, they act like true Ned Stark's sons .

Rickon is too young so I don't know if he'll have more similar traits with Catelyn or Ned. But I could see him resembling none of them because poor baby was so young when he last saw his parents and he wasn't raised by them (due to them dying so early in his life).

As for Jon, in my humble opinion he's the child who resembles Ned the most. However he also shares traits with his mother and with his other father.

#asoiaf ask #valyrianscrolls #house stark #arya stark #sansa stark #robb stark #bran stark #rickon stark #jon snow

[whitedragonwolf4961]

Day 28: Parallels with Daenerys

If there is any character that Arya shares the most parallels with besides Jon, it is without question Daenerys Targaryen! Daenerys and Arya are in my opinion the best female characters of the series. They have so many similarities and so much in common that they would become really close friends when they meet. Let’s examine some of the many, many similarities and parallels that these two amazing ladies share!

Beauty

Dany and Arya are both very young girls but they are noted by many to be extremely beautiful/pretty. “That was before Prince Doran had summoned him to the Water Gardens. And now the most beautiful woman in the world was waiting in Meereen, and he meant to do his duty and claim her for his bride. She will not refuse me. She will honor the agreement. Daenerys Targaryen would need Dorne to win the Seven Kingdoms, and that meant that she would need him. It does not mean that she will love me, though. She may not even like me.” ADWD Quentyn I Dany is explicitly called the most beautiful woman in the world in this chapter and Quentyn has not even met her yet. That means people have talked and called her the most beautiful woman in the world.

"I'm sorry, my lady." Arya suddenly felt bad for her, and ashamed. "I'm sorry I tore the acorn dress too. It was pretty."

"Yes, child. And so are you. Be brave." ASOS Arya IV

Lady Smallwood, a kind and caring woman, tells Arya that she is pretty. It’s pretty special considering Sansa always called Arya ugly and Catelyn said Arya could only be pretty if she acted more like Sansa. Arya is noted though to be pretty by others. She has the same wild beauty that her Aunt Lyanna had. When Arya gets older, her wild beauty will probably make even Sansa jealous.

Intelligence and Bravery:

Dany and Arya, despite their young ages, are both two of the most intelligent and bravest characters in the series. Arya shows this at Harrenhal. First she organizes a coup for the Northern prisoners to escape by tricking Jaqen H’gar into helping her (tricking a Faceless Man requires both cunning and bravery). And afterwards, she escapes Harrenhal with her friends with their own planning. Arya manages to take out the guard by tricking him into thinking that Lord Bolton is having her give silver to the guards, and then when his guard is down she slashes his throat. That required Arya to be both brave and smart.

Dany shows her intelligence and bravery when taking the cities of Slaver’s Bay. She manages to trick the Good Masters of Astapor into giving her the Unsullied by offering to give them one of her dragons. It works… but she never intended to let cruel men keep one of her children for a slave. She has the Unsullied kill the slave masters and free all the slaves and has Drogon roast the asshole Kraznys. At Yunkai she comes up with the strategy to take the city and she succeeds. The same thing happens at Mereen. Dany took great risks (and taking the cities wouldn’t get her closer to Westeros) but through her bravery and her intelligence, she prevailed.

Kindness and Empathy:

Dany and Arya are also both two of the kindest and most compassionate characters in the series. Despite both being highborn girls, Dany and Arya do not see the smallfolk as lesser beings or tools. They see them as friends and family. “Arya had loved nothing better than to sit at her father's table and listen to them talk. She had loved listening to the men on the benches too; to freeriders tough as leather, courtly knights and bold young squires, grizzled old men-at-arms. She used to throw snowballs at them and help them steal pies from the kitchen. Their wives gave her scones and she invented names for their babies and played monsters-and-maidens and hide-the-treasure and come-into-my-castle with their children. Fat Tom used to call her "Arya Underfoot," because he said that was where she always was. She'd liked that a lot better than "Arya Horseface."” AGOT Arya II Arya earned her nickname ”Arya Underfoot” because she loved playing with the smallfolk and spending time with them. She never treated them with disdain like Sansa. Arya preferred spending time with them than with her snobby sister and the cruel Cersei. Arya doesn’t believe she’s better than anyone simply because she’s highborn.

“When he was gone, Dany went to her window and looked out wistfully on the waters of the bay. The square brick towers of Pentos were black silhouettes outlined against the setting sun. Dany could hear the singing of the red priests as they lit their night fires and the shouts of ragged children playing games beyond the walls of the estate. For a moment she wished she could be out there with them, barefoot and breathless and dressed in tatters, with no past and no future and no feast to attend at Khal Drogo's manse.” AGOT Dany I

Dany is the exact same as Arya. She would prefer to be with the common people, dresses in plain clothes, barefoot, and no worries. She treats all her people as friends and tells them that they need not be afraid to speak to her about anything. When Doreah is dying, Dany holds her hand and even gives Doreah her water. Similar to when Arya refuses to leave her friend Weasel behind. Dany and Arya also both despise violence against the innocent. Arya is horrified and saddened to learn that even her brother’s men are raping women and killing peasants. Dany doesn’t think peace is worth it, if it’s built on the blood of little children. She even says ”Why do the gods make kings and queens if not to protect the ones who cannot protect themselves?” to Jorah.

Braavos:

Braavos is an important place to both Dany and Arya. For Dany, the house with the red door is the closest thing to a home Dany ever had. She constantly wishes to return to the house. For Arya, she comes here, to the House of Black and White, after losing her friends and family and is training with the Faceless Men. Braavos is something Dany and Arya can bond over if and when they finally meet.

Dragon and Direwolf:

Dany and Arya are blessed with two very magical and special creatures. Arya with her direwolf Nymeria and Dany with her dragons Drogon, Rhaegal, and Viserion. They both have powerful magical connections to their creatures. Arya can warg into Nymeria. Dany and her dragons can feel each other’s presence. But they also both have lines related to the other animal and… it cannot just be a coincidence. “Off in the distance, a wolf howled. The sound made her feel sad and lonely, but no less hungry. As the moon rose above the grasslands, Dany slipped at last into a restless sleep.” ADWD Dany X

“This time the monsters did not frighten her. They seemed almost old friends. Arya held the candle over her head. With each step she took, the shadows moved against the walls, as if they were turning to watch her pass. "Dragons," she whispered. She slid Needle out from under her cloak. The slender blade seemed very small and the dragons very big, yet somehow Arya felt better with steel in her hand.” AGOT Arya IV

Dany and Arya have so many parallels and similarities. They are like twins! When they do meet I think Dany and Arya will find in each other the sisters neither ever had. Bonus: Oh one more parallel! Dany and Arya both have a horrible older sibling. Dany with Viserys who physically and emotionally abuses her and sells her into sexual slavery. Arya with Sansa who bullies and ridicules her. Dany and Arya have suffered both of them but eventually they both have enough and give those shitty siblings some satisfying payback. When Viserys attacks her, Dany confiscates his horse and forces him to walk at the back. When Sansa cruelly taunts Arya about her friend’s death, Arya throws an orange at Sansa’s face and ruins her dress. And yet… Dany and Arya still love their awful older brother and sister. Dany tries constantly to reach out to Viserys and mourns him after he dies and even names one of her dragons after him. Arya still tries to apologize and comfort Sansa and does wish to see her again.

#arya stark #daenerys targaryen #asoiaf #canonarya #canondany #aryastarkmonth2022 #book arya stark #book daenerys #they are so precious #they will be true sisters! #parallels

[themockingpoint]

For the ship thing

Elia x Lyanna

Elia Sand x Edric Dayne

Arianne x Aegon

Ashara x Ned x Catelyn

Elia x Arthur

Arya x Gendry

JFC dude! From here on out one pairing at a time.

The Ship Thing: Lyanna Stark x Elia Martell

Who Cooks?

Elia

Who does Laundry and other chores?

Elia does Laundry, but Lyanna does everything else (dishes, sweeping, mopping etc)

How many children do they have?

Three

Who’s more dominant?

They really don’t have this dynamic, but Lyanna has said before when Elia gets angry there is nothing more attractive.

Favorite Non-Sexual activity

They don’t get to do it often due to Elia’s health, but they love going on hikes. Also Elia claims that they love playing pranks on each other, but it is mostly Elia who plays the pranks.

Favorite place together?

Home. Especially since they’ve started experiencing Empty Nest syndrome

Any traditions?

Their birthdays are very close together, so instead of celebrating either one, they do something huge between them and invite everyone they know (except Fuck boy of course)

Their “Song”

You don’t own me

Where was their honeymoon?

Hidden away. They told no one where it was and despite Oberyn’s best efforts they’ve stayed mum.

Where did they meet?

Not under the best circumstances

Pets?

Elia nearly had a heart attack when Lyanna brought home two direwolves. She attempted to turn the tables, but Lyanna ended up loving the snakes they got from Oberyn. She and Rhaenys are the only ones.

What do they fight over?

-Lyanna, becoming a mother at such a young age, has a bad habit of trying to be the “cool mom” and Elia is stuck being the bad cop a lot. Elia once needed to go on a two week business trip and Lyanna was stuck with all three on her own. While she has become much more even keel, it is still a problem they fight about.

-Also, after this incident they’ve accused each other of being too soft on their kids. Lyanna is too easy on Aegon and Rhaenys and Elia is too easy on Jon whenever they screw up.

-Also on a lesser note Lyanna wasn’t happy with Elia setting up Sansa and Little Elia. Lyanna found it inappropriate and Elia found it cute. Elia ended up being right as the two ended up being smitten with each other.

Where do they go on vacation?

They mostly go to their family homes. Flip-Flopping on which one they go to for which holiday.

The Ship Thing: Elia Sand x Ned Dayne

Who Cooks?

Split between them pretty easy

Who does Laundry and other chores?

Split evenly except taking care of the pets which is exclusively Elia

How many children do they have?

All of them. All of the babies.

Who’s more dominant?

Elia

Favorite Non-Sexual activity

Fighting/Sparring. No one is surprised about Elia it is Ned that everyone is shocked about doing so

Favorite place together?

Anywhere with the ocean

Any traditions?

They go horse riding at least once a month. On the big anniversaries Ned will usually get her a horse.

Their “Song”

Take it off by the Donnas. When Elia started amatuer fighting before they started dating Ned picked it for her pump up song and she loved it.

Where was their honeymoon?

The water gardens

Where did they meet?

His Aunt Ashara and her Aunt Elia introduced them

Pets?

Way to many horses to count

What do they fight over?

Elia has a habit of not taking things seriously.

Where do they go on vacation?

Anywhere in the north, which means north of Dorne.

The Ship Thing: Aegon x Arianne

Who Cooks?

Aegon. Arianne is far to much of a princess and Aegon was taught how to take care of himself personally

Who does Laundry and other chores?

Again Aegon

How many children do they have?

Three bio kids

Who’s more dominant?

Arianne

Favorite Non-Sexual activity

They like playing with the kids

Favorite place together?

They like King’s Landing, but they go to Norvos a lot.

Any traditions?

They have a special private tradition on Arianne’s birthday

Their “Song”

Arianne told everyone it The Stroke by Billy Squier precisely to see Aegon blush every time it comes up

Where was their honeymoon?

They both are a bit of workaholics so decided to forgo a honeymoon

Where did they meet?

Pets?

They share Viserion

What do they fight over?

Far too much

Where do they go on vacation?

They don’t often but when they do it’s always somewhere with water. It is usually has them on a boat

The Ship Thing: Ashara x Ned x Catelyn

Who Cooks?

Catelyn does for the most part, but Ashara misses her spices so will occasionally as well

Who does Laundry and other chores?

Again Cat, but Ned does the outside chores.

How many children do they have?

After her child was still born Ashara was not able to have kids but sees the Stark five as hers but she’s never admitted it out loud

Who’s more dominant?

Cat and Ash try to get Ned to be more assertive, but it does fall on Ashara a lot of the time.

Favorite Non-Sexual activity

All three love the movies. Love them.

Favorite place together?

Winterfell’s Godswood. Catelyn never felt at ease but the two together were able to get her to like it more.

Any traditions?

They mourn Ashara’s baby together on it’s birthday

Their “Song”

They don’t really have a song as much as a band. They like ABBA though

Where was their honeymoon?

Harrenhall because…

Where did they meet?

Harrenhall

Pets?

Far too many Direwolves

What do they fight over?

They don’t. But unfortunately this is actually very unhealthy since they are all so scared of rocking the boat in a relationship that is unconventional

Where do they go on vacation?

Somewhere Warm. Ashara and Catelyn team up on Ned

The Ship Thing: Arya x Gendry

Who Cooks?

Arya but Gendry has on occasion

Who does Laundry and other chores?

Gendry mostly but Arya does regularly enough

How many children do they have?

Mostly foster kids.

Who’s more dominant?

Arya says she is but in actuality Gendry just knows when to pick his battles. Despite Gendry’s nickname being “The Bull”, it is actually Arya that is bullheaded

Favorite Non-Sexual activity

Gendry blacksmiths and Arya tests his creations out

Favorite place together?

Camping

Any traditions?

They visit Winterfell

Their “Song”

Gendry suggested Stacy’s Mom by the Fountains of Wayne. Arya did not speak to him for five full weeks

Where was their honeymoon?

Exploring the Riverlands

Where did they meet?

Arya was hanging out at the park and let everyone think she was a boy without correcting them. Gendry was the only one who figured it out.

Pets?

Nymeria plus she brings pack members with her all the time

What do they fight over?

Anything and everything. People have started avoiding their presence

Where do they go on vacation?

To Visit Gendry’s mother in KL

#asoiaf #arya stark #ser gendry of the hollow hill #gendry waters #arya x gendry #Lyanna stark #Elia Martell #lyanna x elia #ned dayne #edric dayne #Elia sand #Ned Dayne x Elia Sand #Ned Stark #Catelyn Tully #Catelyn Stark #ashara dayne #Ned x Catelyn x Ashara #arianne martell #arianne nymeros martell #aegon vi targaryen #rhaenys iii targaryen #Jon snow #arianne x aegon #elia x lyanna #ask games #ask game

[songbirdsmelodies]

A SONG OF ICE AND FIRE MUSES.

— Tyene Sand.

born: 276/277AC

zodiac sign: scorpio

nationality: dornish

ethnicity: mixed; reach & dornish (rhoynar ancestry)

appearance: innocent, otherworldly demeanor, blonde hair, blue eyes, fair skin

fc: canon: anastasia tsilimpiou, modern: rose bertram

— Margaery Tyrell

born: 283 AC in highgarden

zodiac sign: gemini

nationality: reach

ethnicity: reach (andal)

appearance: soft brown curls, brown doe eyes, fair skin, praised for beauty, and is said to have a resemblance to lyanna stark (arguable)

fc: canon: natalie dormer; modern: marilyn lima

— Arya Stark

born 289 AC in winterfell

zodiac sign: aries

nationality: northern

ethnicity: northern (first men)

appearance: straight brown hair, elongated face shape, grey eyes, fair skin, resembling her aunt lyanna a lot in appearance; the Stark look.

fc: canon & modern: maisie williams

— Doreah

born: 278/279 AC in lys

zodiac sign: cancer

nationality & ethnicity: lysene & mixed

appearance: blonde hair, blue eyes, fair skin, valyrian features, resembling Daenerys somewhat

fc: canon: ece cesmioglu, modern: bryana holly

— Rhaenys Targaryen

born: 280 AC in dragonstone

zodiac sign: libra

nationality: crownlands & dornish

ethnicity: dornish (rhoynar) & valyrian

appearance: is said to resemble her mother strikingly, martell looks; soft curly dark brown hair, either hazel-brown (or alternatively purple) eyes, olive skin

fc: canon: anya chalotra; modern: mina el hammani

— Jeyne Poole

born 286/287 AC in winterfell

zodiac sign: virgo

nationality: northern

ethnicity: northern (first men)

appearance: large brown eyes, brown hair, fair skin, a resemblance to arya stark, is said to be pretty

fc; canon & modern: meganne young

— Melisandre of Asshai

born: unknown time; physically aged roughly mid twenties

zodiac sign: sagittarius

nationality: essosi

ethnicity: unknown, essosi/mixed

appearance: red hair, ruby colored eyes, fair skin, attractive features, tall, curvy, ample bosom

fc: canon: meryem uzerli; modern: elena satine, sepideh delavar

— Lynesse Hightower

born: 272/273 AC in oldtown

zodiac sign: pisces

nationality: reach

ethnicity: reach (andal)

appearance: silver-gold hair, light skin, blue-violet eyes, delicate appearance; compared to look like the Maiden, and look similar to Daenerys Targaryen.

fc: canon: holliday grainger, modern: camille razat

— Valena Toland

born: ca. 277 AC

zodiac sign: Gemini

nationality: dornish

ethnicity: dornish, rhoynar ancestry

appearance: blaze of red hair, tall, tanned/olive skin, brown eyes, softly freckled

fc: canon & modern: mecia simson

— Laena Velaryon

• born: late 92AC or 93AC

• zodiac sign: Scorpio

• ethnicity: valyrian, black (mixed)

• nationality: valyrian, westerosi

• appearance: valyrian features, her mother’s beauty, silver hair & purple eyes; dark skin, tall

• fc: canon: savannah steyn & nanna blondell; modern: kylie bunbury

— Daenerys Targaryen: on @maizhavvorsi

• born: 284 AC

• zodiac sign: Aries

• ethnicity: Valyrian

• nationality: Crownlands, Valyrian

• appearance: silver-gold hair, purple eyes, fair skin, short stature

• FC: Emilia Clarke

— Allyria Dayne on @ladyallydayne

born: between 276-283AC

zodiac sign: Pisces

ethnicity: stony Dornish

nationality: Dornish

appearance: brown hair, purple eyes, tanned skin, medium tall height

FC: canon: Bruna Marquezine; modern: China Suarez

— Rosamund Lannister

born: ca. 290AC

zodiac sign: libra

ethnicity: andal

nationality: westerlander

appearance: straight golden blonde hair, emerald eyes, petite, said to have resemblance to her cousin Myrcella Baratheon

FC: emily alyn lind

— Meera Reed

born: 283AC

zodiac sign: Leo

ethnicity: crannogman, first man

nationality: northerner, crannog

appearance: curly brown hair, green eyes, short stature, subtle graceful walk

FC: canon: ellie kendrick; modern: lydia graham

Sylva Santagar:

born 276/277AC

ethnicity: Dornish, salty Dornish, rhoynar mixed

nationality: Dornish

appearance: dark hair, brown freckled skin(spotted skin, just like her sigil with spotted leopard, and being heir to spottswood)

FC: Anna shaffer (canon & modern)

Arianne Martell:

born 276 AC

ethnicity: dornish (salty dornish, rhoynar mixed)

nationality: dornish

appearance; dark curly hair, brown skin, brown eyes, curvy figure, short

FC: Medalion Rahimi, Sofia Wylie, Deepika Padukone, Shirine Boutella

#muses #bio #c: tyene #c: Jeyne #c: Doreah #c: arya #c: Margaery #c: Rhaenys #c: melisandre #c: lynesse #c: valena #c: laena #c: allyria #c: daenerys #c: rosamund #c: meera #c: sylva #c: arianne

[fromtheboundlesssea]

In A Dance of Songs what is Jon's relationship like with: Rhaegar, Lyanna, Elia, Rhaenys, Aegon, Daenerys Celia, the Starks and the Martells as well as the other Targaryens, it's sad that he seems to be trying to avoid getting involved in a situation that won't end up happily for him, as going to either side could lose him a siblings and if things go wrong Westeros and history will probably blame him

In order of how you asked about them.

Rhaegar - Jon is very distant with his father in the sense that he is a bastard and not some great failed child of a prophecy that he would have probably been seen as in canon. When Jon was younger, he longed to have his father’s love and approval, but has sense grown out of it.

Lyanna - She died when Jon was born and so he has a rather romantic view of her and no one really stops him from having such notions about her. Who would dare tell a little boy anything bad about the mother he never got to know.

Elia - Jon has a lot of respect for the queen and, therefore, stays as much out of her way as he can. He calls her the king’s one true queen.

Rhaenys - He had a decent but distant relationship with his sister as she was older than him and a girl so their paths didn’t really cross all that much. He respects her mind and heart. He’s been on the tail-end of a few barbed words but that’s why he didn’t notice the cues that she was having an off day and kept pestering her.

Aegon - Jon has a far better relationship with Aegon from the time they were children, but they were often pitted against each other by their father with Aegon often being the winner in his affections. Aegon stopped competing in those little games when he saw how much they hurt Jon and Jon appreciates that.

Daenerys - Jon has the same sort of distance that he has with Rhaenys when it comes to his aunt, however they are slightly closer because of their age. He became aware of her affection for him and that knowledge is one of the main reasons he spends most of his time away from court as he believes she needs to focus on Aegon.

Celia - A mix of his relationship with Rhaenys and Daenerys, although he feels a sort of affinity for her because she’s on a vastly different social level than the rest of the lords and ladies at court.

The Starks - Jon is the closest to Sansa out of the Starks and has strong romantic and protective feelings towards her. He worries about his bastard status, but believes he’s proven himself enough in the eyes of court to be worthy of her. He writes often to his uncle and Robb and keeps a sparse correspondence with Arya, but he’s not close with the Starks as he was raised in the South rather than the North.

The Martells - A very distant relationship shop. They tend to not interact at all unless it’s tourneys or council meetings.

The Targaryens - he enjoys his little nephew by Rhaenys. Viserys is distant as he was fostered in Oldtown. They write though.

Jon is in a very precarious place when it comes to his place in court and within his family. It could go many different ways.

#keep the asks coming #a dance of songs

[kingsansa]

Was Aunt Lysa at Robbie's bday party? If so, what did she think?

One thing I find interesting in pp realm is how "bitchy" Catelyn is towards Jon. Yeah I know its mostly history with Lyanna and her paranoia with Ned showing more affection towards him than Robb (which i highly doubt) but it makes me wonder, what kind of home Catelyn grew up in that she's so much like that esp since Sansa and Arya are nothing like that.

She was there. Of course she was on catelyns side but lyanna is lucky that lysa was busy watching robin bullying kids in the bouncy house.

Cat was really spoiled growing up, but she also took on a lot of duty as the oldest. Her father was always busy. She did feel shunted off to the side a lot because she was busy taking care of everyone else. She keeps a lot of her feelings inside because she knows they’re irrational, and she knows her place in his life but she still can’t help but be insecure because lyanna was there first. It really wasn’t even an issue before because she didnt let it become one. there was a point in their lives that lyanna and cat got along, on and off. but then sansa got pregnant and those insecurities came back to the surface

#answered

[kendalroys]

why is there so many damn meta’s about how Arya and Gendry are just “the new Robert and Lyanna” like that ain’t it chief not at all don’t bring that bs near me

#stop!!!! #sarah.txt #just cause robert is gendry’s dad #and lyanna is arya’s aunt & a lot like her #like it makes no sense? #plus gendry is NOTHING #like robert #so

[a-libra-writes]

I love your modern ned stark series! He and reader are so sweet! What do you think dinner at the starks would be like? When they are all home. (Probably pure chaos)

Haha but with lots of planning it can be organized chaos... that's usually how holidays are in the modern!AU, but what if there's a casual get together? The kids are off school and/or college, the stars align, maybe its for a casual birthday, maybe Aunt Lyanna and Uncle Ben & Bran are in town...

The food situation is the biggest problem bc if Jon is coming then he wants to bring Sam and Gilly, and Robb has his college friends and a girlfriend, Sansa has her friends and s/o, Arya -- ok you get the point. And Ned and his wife really can't say no to more kiddos they're fond of. So they inevitably end up grilling, even if Ned is just so-so at it - here's hoping the wife knows how. Or they bite the bullet and just get a huge catering order from a restaurant all the kids like.

"Oh, this is so much food, are you hosting an event?" "No, my kids are home from school..." (or maybe the restaurant just knows the Starks by name at this point...)

Ned and his second wife bought those folding tables and chairs a long time ago, there's no room in the dining room; it's a nice outdoor lunch/dinner! The kiddos bring whatever appetizers or desserts, Lyanna brings all the alcohol if she's coming with Jon. Gilly and Sam always bring a fancy cake and big casserole that everyone eats. Robb brings like two bluetooth speakers and it's basically a mini party/family get together at that point.

Ned and his wife wondering how this happened again.

And of course if they have children together, those kiddos will be much younger than the Starks, so they're running around with Bran and Rickon. This is not mentioning all the dogs!! Dogs running in and out, people going in and out. At some point Arya gets everyone to play touch football or soccer so now everyone is dirty too (esp if the lil kids are allowed to play).

In the evening almost everyone gathers around the TV, play-argues about what movie to watch, which just devolves into the adults catching up with drinks, the young kids leaving to play xbox and the college kids/teens ribbing at the movie and switching it to something meme-y like Nic Cage.

Once the young ones are put to bed, everyone gets hugs and goes home, and the food is all cleaned up, Ned and his wife are collapsed on the couch. Too sleepy to bother cleaning up the non-food stuff and wondering why their "simple" dinners keep turning out like this. They probably fall asleep cuddled up to each other while the doggos steal scraps from the trash.

#idk it seemed cute/fun haha #ned stark x reader #libra headcanons

[esther-dot]

Different anon but that ask about BNFs critising other t@rgs but stanning D@ny reminded me how I see most of them hating on D@ny x Drogo, R×L because D@ny, Lyanna were underage but they themselves are also some of the biggest and well known s@nsan shippers, meta writers 😂. Whenever I see their takes about RxL, D@ny x Drogo I am reminded of those J0nerys and J0nrya stans who criticize Jonsa because of incest 😅. If BNFs can recognize R×L is abusive pedoship then how can they like S@nsan? Wasn't Sansa even younger than her aunt in canon when Hound became sexually attracted to her and tried to rape her in books? With R×L, we don't even know the exact details but knowing the ages of characters, we can understand it couldn't be consensual and Lyanna was definitely a victim. So was D@ny. Then why they can't show same understanding about Sansa's situation, when we literally have her POV to clearly see Hound constantly verbally, physically and sexually abusing a 12/13 year old child, threatening to kill her multiple times. I am not denying that RxL, D@ny x Drogo are wrong, they should definitely be criticized but I hate how people who understand why it is wrong situation to romanticize, themselves look at Hound abusing Sansa with rose tinted glasses. As if it's only abuse when the underage girl is D@ny or Lyanna or anyone else except Sansa. With Sansa, they claim how Sansa herself want Hound or ship herself with him. So, it's totally valid for them to ship it too. From where they got this idea I don't know. Because currently only thing book sansa want is to go back home, wishes to see her last remaining family member. And show Sansa never gave a f about him till the very end 🤷‍♀️

(referencing this ask)

It is really weird! I’m not sure why it’s easy for them to condemn statutory rape and refuse to acknowledge assault.

We have so little to go on with Rhaegar and Lyanna, I’ve talked about my uncertainty regarding how Martin views Rhaegar, so it’s funny to claim the author is condemning him with absolute certainty while denying the author meant to do the same for the guy who intended to violently rape a child. I wrote this a while ago:

"And the little bird, your pretty sister, I stood there in my white cloak and let them beat her. I took the bloody song, she never gave it. I meant to take her too. I should have. I should have fucked her bloody and ripped her heart out before leaving her for that dwarf." A spasm of pain twisted his face. "Do you mean to make me beg, bitch? Do it! The gift of mercy . . . avenge your little Michael . . ." "Mycah." Arya stepped away from him. "You don't deserve the gift of mercy." (ASOS, Arya XIII)

This is a confession. It’s a confession of his failure to protect her, his earlier lie to Arya that she willingly sang to him, and a confession of his true intention. The fucking her bloody/ripping her heart out was likely added to get Arya to kill him, but those first two sentences, “I meant to take her too. I should have” sound genuine to me especially because his version of events matches what we read in Sansa’s chapter. I think the author always envision this as attempted rape, the fandom just finds it easy to brush off the brutalization of little girls, or rather, of this little girl because they don’t like her. (link)

Martin gives us Sansa's fear and puts the truth in the Hound's mouth. The authorial intent is undeniable.

S@ns@n shippers make a lot out of Sansa wishing the Hound were with her (ASOS, Sansa I), and her mismemory that she had kissed him (ASOS, Sansa II), but uh, she also says he threatened to kill her and if they want to ignore that they can, but to argue that the author wants us to see this as a romantic relationship with a happy ending for Sansa is unfounded, untrue, and really fucking weird. Martin revisited the assault in an Ary@ chapter to clarify that the Hound wanted to rape Sansa in case we didn’t understand on our own. If people want to romanticize that we can’t stop them, but y i k e s. And, I thought that not acknowledging the age issue/statutory rape was why they can stomach S@ns@n, so if they’re condemning Rhaegar on those grounds...idk, anon, it just makes no sense.

I'm guessing S@ns@n arose before Sansa had a robust fandom who truly valued her as her own character, valued her as she is, and also believes she has an important part to play. So, fans weren't viewing this from her perspective, emphasizing her feelings, and didn’t think twice about paying more attention to a side character than her, what he wanted. Now that many of us prioritize her, whitewashing the Hound is unthinkable and that’s an essential part of their shipping. I wrote this response to a Hound fan a while ago:

You’re right that it isn’t necessarily romantization of the Hound (or any villain) to talk about what he suffered.

Someone can be abused and also be an abuser. Cersei is both. Tyrion, the Hound…they’ve suffered and they have turned around and had their own victims. This is something Martin likes to write, and there’s no problem with understanding that and caring about villains. He wants you to. I think it’s why he makes so many of them victims first. But, I think this is something the fandom has misconstrued, even if you personally haven’t. Martin is writing histories for his characters to explain why they are who they are, believe what they do, act as they do. He isn’t saying they aren’t who they are, they don’t think what they’re saying, they haven’t done what they did.

I talk about the Hound in the context of what he did to Sansa to push back against the idea that he didn’t do what he did. (link)

The idea that people can suffer and then turn around and be responsible for the suffering of others trips up certain fans as if the Hound’s pain negates Sansa’s terror. The author wanted more interesting villains than we normally get, gave them tragedies to garner our sympathy, but that does not negate their villainy. We also have the comparison of the Hound's assault to Marillion's to clarify the author's opinion (link). Now, even if Martin didn't mean for us to take Sansa's side, I still would. I would still hate the Hound and call him a pedo, but, in this instance, I don't see how Martin could be clearer.

As for why fans would condemn Rhaegar and stan the Hound, I suppose it's just easier to find fault with a character readers only heard about (Rhaegar) than one they meet in canon. So, the Hound, Tyrion...people who molest/abuse others, they won't view them the same way because they’re emotionally attached to them. It doesn’t cost them anything to say “fuck Rhaegar” because they didn’t care about him in the first place. Why their protectiveness exists for many girls/women but not Sansa…I can’t say.

#ask dot #antisansan #anti sansan #anti rhaegar #anti asoiaf fandom