#and that goes for some stans too :))

[spop-romanticizes-abuse]

spop fans: you just hate catra because she's a complex female character who isn't perfect and makes mistakes!

also spop fans: *hates on glimmer for being a complex female character who isn't perfect and makes mistakes*

#the difference between glimmer and catra is that #1. glimmer never goes too far like catra does and all of her actions had some line of logic #2. glimmer was actually held responsible for her actions by the narrative #spop critical #spop salt #spop #spop criticism #spop discourse #she ra #anti spop #anti stans

[aroacesigma]

every time i see a sigma stan that clearly only likes him in relation to dazai i get the urge to violently bite something

#ramblings #same goes for some chuuya 'stans' too its sooooo annoying #babygirl just say you like the ship not the character

[paisleywraith]

No, listen, I was just trying to spar I swear- 

#sp k2 #Kysterion #kitesterion #kenny x kyle #kyle broflovski #kenny mccormick #mysterion #Kite has a massive fat crush on Mysterion of course #Kite seems to talk to/train with/show up around Mysterion all the time for some reason weird #Mysterion has met Kite out of uniform as well- got to play damsel in distress and everything he's so damn smitten with the guy #Too bad Kyle's got his head too far up his ass to notice #Scrambling to apologize while he's getting actual heart eyes #Kyle knows Kenny and reported back to Stan (also a hero) that he's in town but doesn't know Kenny is Mysterion #He's kinda got a crush on Kenny but now he's falling in love with Mysterion also #Stan finds out Mysterion's identity one night during a mission that almost goes really bad #And is now stuck in the middle of fucking everything the poor guy

[suenitos]

Sounds to me like the drexiters are coping also i genuinely dont get how one can be a hardcore stan and in the span of a week turn into a dranti freak like please they are so cringe lmafo they sound like high school bullies like please get a job and surround yourself with things that make you happy!

Hate watching and following is a genuinely miserable exsistence

well because a lot of the drexiters we're talking about were freaks who roamed around in freak circles with doxxed info long before they "turn dranti". i dont believe people who are hardcore stans "turn" on a dime like that

#ifl some people only called themselves stans at some point because htey felt the need to constantly defend dream and not because they #actually liked him or believed hes a good person but thats just me. i think this goes for some twt ppl too but i shant say more #anon.txt #ask.txt

[mischas]

Something that pisses me off more than anything is the sentiment from anti-Marissa/Ryissa fans that Marissa “dragged Ryan into all her drama, which is why she was no good for him.” Please break this down!

I mean, people like that are only seeing what they want to see, and only thinking what they want to think. I feel like this has been the crux of Marissa fans since 2004. And the show is designed to make people feel this way. It tells us time and time again that selfish, dramatic Marissa is dragging poor uwu baby Ryan into her mess and isn't it just the saddest thing in the world that he loves this troubled girl. I'm not saying it's right, and I'm not saying it's not aggravating, but it's basically like beating our heads against a wall because they're watching a completely different show than we are. There is not a single instance where Ryan didn't put himself into his current love interest's business. Like, we know it's something he's attracted to. The white knight thing is baked into his character makeup. And he is never allowed to be wrong or feel bad about it. So whatever.

And we have Marissa over here who's given the plight of being the object of everyone's affections and earnestly believing that you can be friends with members of the opposite sex without the expectation of reciprocated feelings. Isn't that wild. For all the show cops to in the book, there's not a single instance about how harmful the messages they sent were. And we have certain cast members who have the gall to say that Marissa led Trey on and that shooting him to save Ryan was par for the course.

Marissa and Ryan both have savior complexes but Marissa is the one who suffers from them 100% of the time. The narrative paints hers as wrong and Ryan's as right and calls it a day.

We have to look at this show from the pov of a writer who, by s2, completely abandoned RM as a ship to root for and Marissa as a character who does anything substantial. It's a long way from s1 already. And the way this man stalked TWoP and other anti-Marissa message boards at the time also means he baked in those 'it's for the best Marissa d**d' sentiments that the AU season hammered home several times. So he's holding people's hands to get to these conclusions, and changed the show drastically because he was mad that Marissa fans wouldn't follow to the new season like sheep. He really, actually expected them to show up. And expected the numbers to not drop by half. I'm moving this message into new territory so I apologize but there's many layers to this. Basically Marissa being treated in the script as a character worthy of nuance and backbone went away with s1, and the sentiment forever became 'it's too bad Ryan loves her because she's a mess' and s3 hammers this home incessantly.

#ask #anonymous #for what it's worth the johnny sl goes on way too long and at some point even i have my issues with marissa #that sl was done in 309 and then that man brought it back to the forefront in 310 for some fucking reason #i probably didn't answer this at all #being a marissa stan in 2024 is still so exhausting #the people in 2006 deserve gold and riches i'm so serious #it took 10 years for that man to even admit it was a mistake #and 10 more years to come up with marissa/seth and marissa/luke as alternatives to ***** #he hates her bad and has since 2004

[philtatosbuck]

mikaelson stans are deeply unserious but the worst kinds are the klaro klaus stans, the “klaus is a big meanie” elijah stans and the “kol is so mistreated” kol stans

#like i'm all for acknowledging klaus' wrongs #but you can't at your grown age keep blaming klaus for all of elijah's shit lmfao #you cannot keep using 'klaus always ruins what elijah has' when elijah is LETTING HIM #not only that but he HELPS HIM DO IT to their other siblings #elijah is not a victim of klaus' insanity he's a fucking enabler #if ANYONE could take on klaus pre hybrid and win. it was elijah. #he didn't do that. he willingly played a hand in klaus ruining damn near everyones lives #ESPECIALLY katherine but y'all love to pretend katherine should just ignore all that #elijah is quite literally the only one who could actually beat klaus' ass when he acts up but no! he's right by his side doing it too #i don't have words for the kl*ro klaus stans. idk who that bitch is lmfao #the 'kol is so mistreated' gang is just ridiculous #like. yeah. it'd be hard to deny he gets mistreated by his siblings #but he's not? some uwu baby? who needs to be 'protected' or defended #he's also a grown fucking man #the 'mistreated' thing goes out the window as SOON as he leaves his family's presence #he's done as much shit as they all have #there's no room for argument that he's 'better' than them #because we didn't see it on screen #just deeply unserious. all of you. #klaus mikaelson #elijah mikaelson #kol mikaelson

[pythonscrypt]

r/mcc mods are crazyyyyy they did fuck all to deal with the overflow of posts slinging shit at blue29 and being horrible to aimsey, elaina and shelby in the lead up to mcc 29, the community is filled w misogyny to the point where people use block game stats to justify it and the only conversation that happens about that is users making posts about it (whose comments are 60% "i've never seen anything like this so you must be wrong") instead of like. the mods coming together to make a statement about it and underlining the behaviors that keep perpetuating this bullshit (which is sorely needed when half of the userbase thinks misogyny exists solely as the overt women-hating because nuance doesn't exist as a concept to them). but god forbid someone voices dislike for a former male player and how he never brought anything good to the event, is the sole reason a game has been pretty much removed from the games roster, and single-handedly contributed nothing but hatred and negativity to the event (only to make a whole drama about tapping out because his ego couldn't bear not being top 5 every event). no then your comments just get sent straight to the gulag because the reddit has to be a lovefest for the male players and especially THAT male player at all times even when he's you know not in the fucking event anymore

#b.txt #sorry catching up on old news and holy fuck. hooooly fuck they're so insane #it really doesn't surprise me honestly one of the mods is a full on stan who i've seen get mad #over people making light jokes about dream #this one time i saw people riffing about some fuckin cereal he had put out and making fun of it #and this guy (wasn't even in the convo btw) got so mad about it. deranged #the dream coddling goes crazy and then you have his actual stans who do nothing but push a dream vs the rest of the event and community #going all 'awww poor dweam actually got so much hate people don't appreciate him people hate him so much it's unreal' #it's crazy like a perfectly civil nice conversation nothing hateful said and was highly upvoted too #but just bc it wasn't fawning over dream like the sub apparently has to be at all times the whole comment chain gets nuked

[radfemie]

why do ppl cancel women for having a different opinion but get on their knees and worship the worst men.

like omg how could we support jkr🥺🥺!! she's an evil woman for funding a women only shelter and believing men cannot become women!!! but let's worship this man who raped women and girls because he's a trans woman and they're at higher risk of being sexually assaulted🥺💞

#its weird as hell #goes for evdn regular ppl too like some would rather die than admit the man they stan is a piece of shit but will cancel a woman #for breathing wrong #lesbian #radfem #radfem safe #radfems please interact #radfems please touch #radical feminism #radical feminst #feminsim #terfs welcome #feminist #transmen #trans rights #transwomen #trans #transgender #lgbt #gay #mlm #wlw

[sirgloria]

if teach has a million fans, i am one of them. if teach has one fan that is me. If teach has no fans then i am dead, etc etc. i am #1 teach stan.

#xenoblade 3 #xenoblade chronicles 3 #xenoblade chronicles #same goes for z honestly. i am feral about them #but teach is my number 1 #i love him #i would kill for him #and i would marry him. teach only run #i love that he just spams all slayer too. yaaas king slaughter all those who stand in your way 😌 #hes so cute. and pretty. dont get me started on z #i have many thoughts i figured id put somw here so people know. that i am number one teach stan. #my switch memory is depletjng bc of them. i have so many screencaps. but Not Enough #also if youve made it this far into the tags im going to drop some cursed information i learned when i beat the game last night. #i didnt know teach had official art that you can view in game so i went and did that. #can someone please explain to me the discrepancy between the art and the in game model. why did they do that. #the last thing i was expecting out of xenoblade 3 was that. #where did his socks go. #and when i exited that screen and tried one of his voice clips he said can i help you. and i screeched #i also cant bring myself to use any other hero besides him even though i want to use the big himbo. man. #also also z's voice....good. #ok thats enough for now. thanks for coming to my ted talk.

[eenochian]

i loved ur post about how cod fans have been treating the characters!! i found it insane how they were having a moral panic over makarov (is the cod fandom like one of the few fandoms that does this? lol) but it needed to be said… people are drawn to cod characters for many reasons and i’m sure it’s not because of “morals”

Thank you!! I was very nervous posting that, since I know parts of this fandom can get pretty aggressive about other opinions. I wasn’t trying to target or insult anyone with my statement, but there’s very clear double standards with characters!

I actually just made another post about this topic (sounds like self-promo I’m so sorry) because, yeah, this fandom can’t seem to understand that art isn’t always about good morals. Being sensitive and mindful about what you produce and engage with is very important, and doing your part to not be influenced by the problematic content that you consume is very important. However, all media is problematic in some way, especially COD (y’know, the military propaganda series). People need to be able to engage with media like this because, if everything is morally “pure,” then we lose out on important discussions about real-world issues, safe spaces for troubled folks, and lessons on media literacy.

I’ve talked about this and thought about this a lot in the past couple days. Like, I’ve spent a considerable amount of time in the past 48 hours stepping back and looking at myself and my behavior in this fandom. I always try to be mindful, sensitive, and very careful with what I produce. That being said, I’m far from perfect. I have an ongoing fanfic for Makarov on my writing blog. Valeria is one of my favorite characters. I’m indifferent on Graves, but will gladly admit that he’s a very compelling villain and an interesting character.

Acknowledging that these problematic things are problematic isn’t saying that you can’t engage with them. You absolutely should engage with stuff like this if you so wish. The important thing to remember if you do choose to produce content of these characters, however, is that there’s nothing romantic in what they do, and they are based off very real issues in our world. Explore the different sides of them, enjoy them, but do not romanticize them.

A very good mindset that I’ve taken to heart is this: these people may be horrible, but they are still people. Humans are not one-dimensional beings. Explore the other sides of them. Humanize, but do not romanticize.

Sorry for the rambling, but thank you again for the response! People need to be kinder to each other and more mindful of the content they engage with, but that doesn’t equate to complete media purity.

#also want to make this very clear #‼️I DO NOT SUPPORT THE ACTIONS OF THESE CHARACTERS OR WHAT THEY REPRESENT‼️ #‼️SUPPORT IRL VICTIMS. DO NOT DEFEND THIS BEHAVIOR.‼️ #there’s too many fans (mainly makarov and graves stans) that defend their actions and romanticize them. they’re not good people. #makarov is an interesting character and at the end of the day— there’s more than one side to him. #however. he is still a mass-murdering terrorist that deserved being turned into a goddamn piñata. #explore his more ‘human’ side. but do not forget what he is and what he has done. #he’s not some ‘uwu misunderstood pookie-wookie bear’. he is human but he is still a bad person. #put his crimes front and center and acknowledge them even as you dive deeper into his potentially ‘good’ traits. #same goes for graves. don’t disregard his racism and massacre of civilians. he terrorized a city and tried to take over the local military. #dive deeper into his character— but don’t forget that. #i say again— same goes for valeria. she’s a very complex character with a compelling and realistic backstory. #but she’s still the leader of a cartel. she is a symbol of cartel violence and very real issues. #don’t ignore her ‘bad’ side when discussing her. she’s not a good person despite her complexities. #i’ve wanted to do deep dives into all three of these people because they’ve got very distinct mindsets and symbolism #but unfortunately i just don’t have the time or knowledge to properly do that in a meaningful way #maybe one day? but not right now lol

[cowboyhorsegirl]

Justin Hammer and Justin Hammer's spaceboots and Justin Hammer's cat and Justin Hammer's cat's spaceboots

#and some rando guy who doesn't matter and that guy's spaceboots too #this one goes out to all the justin hammer stans you all put a smile on my face #iron man: bad blood #justin hammer #616 #evreads

[tuiyla]

I was reading the reasoning behind why you chose Quinn as Catherine Parr for your Glee Presents: Six the Musical gifset and you said she has a brand of white feminism. Why do you think so? 🤔

Oh man that's kind of a big topic that definitely deserves more of an answer than I'm able to give right now, but if I save this ask for later I'll just end up never getting to it. So I hope you don't mind me giving a sort of half-answer with the potential of further elaboration in the future.

To be fair, in my mind I conflate Quinn's brand of pop feminism with more specifically white feminism a lot. But what I mean is that Six's well-intentioned but ultimately kind of flat message conveyed in Parr's song reminded me of how Quinn gets "woke" after getting pregnant. You know, the "boys objectify us all the time" and "women earn less than men" sort of thing. And to be clear, those are correct statements. The Glee guys objectify the girls all the time. The show does too, in fact. And women do statistically earn less for the same work. But these are the sort of "water is wet" generic statements that teen shows attempting some sort of feminism would say in 2010 without actually exploring patriarchal issues in any sort of depth.

The way I see it, Quinn became Glee's spokesperson for feminist phrases that often aimed to do one of two things. A) genuinely try to highlight an issue or B) poke fun at pop feminism and use the rich white girl who always ends up centering her life around men to do it. The problem with A), like in The Power of Madonna, is that Glee doesn't even get close to saying anything useful about issues it highlights and solves sexism with the boys singing What It Feels Like For a Girl. Okay? Now, that isn't on Quinn, but when she's so often the mouthpiece for meaningless buzzwords and generic statements of the kind of #girlbossery that 2010 took seriously but we make fun of now, it's hard not to associate it with her. And in the case of B), such as her wild Gloria Steinem spiel in I Do, well it just feels disingenuous for a number of reasons, and this is the part we probs don't have the capacity to get into today.

But what I'm trying to say is that Quinn was given so many of these #girlbossery lines and, when I rewatched season 1, I realized just how many of them also reeked of what we'd now recognize as white feminism. And far be from me to downplay Quinn's trauma and struggles, but she just ain't the girl for intersectionality with her WASPy background and distinctly feminism 101 approach to things. Maybe this is more of a vibe I get from her, and to be clear I blame the writers entirely, but I've talked to others who got this same vibe from her statements. I think any sort of feminism Glee attempts is also white feminism, though, so again I'm not blaming Queen Bee Quinn the ch. It's just the vibe that she'd point out the wage gap, something that doesn't actually affect them in high school, but ignore racist made at the expense of Santinacedes. I also get the vibes that, in-universe, even her feminism 101 only comes post-pregnancy when she experiences just some of the discrimination women like Mercedes have always faced. I mean, I love Quinncedes do not get me wrong. And this whole post feels like I'm dragging Quinn when I'm not lol. But they explicitly make the parallel of being black and pregnant in Quinncedes scenes and it's like, girl.

It's a Man's Man's Man's World, basically. Watch that performance. That's what I mean. And like I say it's sort of intentional on the writer's part but it's also sort of just how Glee operates when it comes to gender dynamics and (the lack of) intersectionality.

#i know that is less coherent than would be desirable #but i'm afraid it was either this response now or like. none ever #and i am trying to answer stuff! so that's what i have #anon #glee asks #quinn asks #i'm sorry quinn stans don't hurt me #i call upon randomcanbian to help me out here bestie i hope you have more coherent thoughts #it's so hard to talk about quinn's ignorance because the show's way too hard on her #and even some fans #so i don't wanna add fuel to that fire because she IS traumatized and IS discriminated against #she's not just some random white girl being mildly inconvenienced preaching about the wage gap #but that is the vibe glee sometimes goes for because they cannot conceive of quinn beyond her privilege #but two things can be true at the same time #in other news i've been sleeping on this song!!

[strangenewfriends]

I wish some people on all sides of this fandom would just own their own opinions instead of constantly trying to justify them by trying to prove whatever or whoever they dislike is objectively bad and morally wrong, like you can just say you dislike something and carry on

#tbh this goes for some fan theories and interpretations too #youre always going to be upset/frustrated if you are constantly looking for validation of them #rather than just being like...this is what i think #and its okay if you dont #but anyway this goes for some of yall and for aggressive solo stans and and and #some people do too damn much

[sunghoonalter-archived]

I can also, with absolute certainty, say that I hate American kpop stans!

Rant in tags

#like i and a lot of people don't care if theyre not in your city #especially if they already have like 15 dates for you people alone #wanting more dates just because its too hard for you to drive a bunch of kms and stay some place just overworks them #i dont even want my faves coming here anymore #its useless #but at least Europe where people are willing to take a long ass trainride for a 2-3 hour concert #my sister literally took like 3 busses and rented an airbnb for a 3 hour festival #idgaf if its too expensive for you #would you rather have them overworked in one country or at least seeing they have fans in another continent? #yes idc about us kpop stans ive had enough of most of them #if i could id make sure no one goes there anymore

[ladychlo]

.

#@britney anon #OFC #the Free Britney mouvement is very complex and serious Feminisst and the disability rights issue and also concerns reproductive justice #and actually anything that goes against systematic and institutional oppression is a feminist issue #and systematic abuse of celebrity is real and can be z feminist issue I mean part of #mee too mouvement was about that #industry of entertainment is the tangible side of institutional abuse bc it reproduce a power dynamic #look I might sound obscure but I'm really talking from a sociological perspective #misogyny sexism ableism homophobia racism white supermacy etc etc #these are realities that can only be seen from a materialistic reality #like cosmetic industries entertainment industries #media #school #etc etc #so when we call some celebrities 'powerless elites' that means in power dynamic relationship #whatever they have to bring into the table is not enough #I dont like it when these type of subject are over circulated in twitter stan bc it is read from the outside #and completely miss the crucial points of the discussion #the entertainment industry is a ground that can cultivate abuse and reproduce hetero-patriarchal oppression #and closeting is a feminist issue bc homophobia derives from misogyny and sexism #but diving through these subjects is really really complex when you lack some of the big picture

[julesnichols]

One day (when I've slept enough to both remember enough to make all of my points and be coherent) I'll explain what I meant when I joked about Sophie being worse

#about me #bc i do have Thoughts. and also i did Not mean that negatively lmfao #i love women who are worse! she is not even the worst character i've stanned #arguably that award goes to melanie cavill #but it's not Negative and it sure as hell does NOT mean that i think that nate isn't also deeply deeply flawed #or that she corrupted him somehow #enabled him sometimes? yeah. but he was already either Like That or on the path to being Like That #but like i said that meme works both ways and that's why they work #i will also elaborate on what i mean by that when i'm not so exhausted #she's his compass. she didn't intend to make him worse nor did she #she made him better. he made her better. they balance each other as much as they clash with one another #anyways all of my reasoning for why i felt like i could say she's worse for that meme #do not even have to do with nate lmfao #when i make this post tho i will be Open to civil debate for people to share their povs of why they don't think the same way #that's kinda the other reason why i'll make it though #bc i did Not spend enough time on that meme to be more than mildly irritated by some of the commentary #but i also don't want it totally derailed when i think it's def smth that could be an interesting discussion to be had #and i'll gladly host that discussion when i'm not dying of sleep deprivation #i just wanna give it its own platform y'know? #i don't want it to get lost on a silly little meme #but anyways it's also like #his influence did make her better and hers made him somewhat better too #but in his case her influence more like. balanced him. than anything else #bc he got worse and worse and it had Nothing to do with her #but she was still the one yanking him back from the edge of no return #and i suppose in a way that does inherently make her better #but again when i made that meme and said she was worse i was not even thinking in terms of her actual relationship to nate #as what made her worse lmfao #more along the lines of the collateral damage mostly done by charlotte prentice #and specifically to william and astrid