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“As someone who has a complicated relationship with his sibling, the fact that people downplay or try to excuse Chloe’s abuse of Zoe disgusts me. And don't say that Audrey abuses Chloe, so it's justified for Chloe to treat Zoe that way. That argument can go away forever. Being abused doesn't make it OK to be an abuser.”
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“HOW CAN WE SHOW COMPASSION FOR SABRINA IF SHE CHOOSES TO BE IN THE PREDICAMENT THAT SHE’S IN!?!?”
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Sabrina doesn’t want to be a slave, but she feels like she has to so she can keep Chloe’s friendship.
Chloe was Sabrina’s only friend for a long time, and if Sabrina ever does anything to cause Chloe to not be her friend anymore, she suddenly has NOTHING. She rather be friends with Chloe than be friendless. Sometimes people are willing to do anything for friendship, no matter what form it may take. I’m not saying that it’s morally right and that kind of mindset should be supported, but that’s the reality of it sometimes.
“WELL THAT’S NOT CHLOE’S FAULT! SABRINA NEEDS TO TRY TO MAKE FRIENDS!”
LOOK, even if you ARE right, do you guys honestly think it’s that easy for EVERY SINGLE PERSON on the planet to make friends?
It’s not easy for some people, and Sabrina is unfortunately one of those individuals in the show. There is such thing as shy people. There is such thing as socially awkward people. Also, It’s mighty funny how when it comes to others breaking out of toxic relationships, like Chloe breaking away from her mom or Adrien breaking away from his dad, people feel sorry for them, promotes them and supports them to get over of said toxic relationships. However, when it comes to Sabrina breaking away from Chloe, nobody gives a dam.
“BUT SHE ACTIVELY STAYS WITH CHLOE! WHY DID SHE LEAVE MARINETTE?”
1). It’s hard to leave toxic relationships in a instant. That’s why she went back. It hard to leave something that you was about for so long. Yes, Marinette ghosted Sabrina, “just like Chloe did”, but again, she went back to Chloe because Chloe is her only hope of always having a friend, of having somebody.
2). It’s just bad writing. Period. Blame the bad writing, not Sabrina.
“Well that’s freaking terrible! She needs to grow a backbone!”
Your 100% right. However, I think people are WAY too harsh about it. Sabrina isn’t a bad person, she makes bad decisions. There’s a difference.
Saying that you don’t want to care about someone who “WANTS” to be a slave is just like saying that you can’t care about someone who chooses to stay in an abus*ive relationship. One thing that I can’t stand is people blaming the victim. It’s also funny that people always complain about Marinette’s trauma and misfortune being treated as a joke, but Sabrina? Nah, she’s a nothing character. She’s not important enough…
But yeah. Y’all keep blaming the victim.
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scripted-downfall · 1 year
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I have mixed feelings about Deckerstar in general, but I hate, hate, hate the way it’s basically Chloe trying to “fix” Lucifer.  Especially during the bit just after she tried to kill him, where she’s talking about how he needs to “change” — that’s a word taken from her dialogue in s04e03 “O, Ye of Little Faith, Father” — and trying to get him to drink less, be nicer to suspects, volunteer at a soup kitchen, etc.  Am I saying Lucifer’s perfect?  No; I’m a firm believer that pretty much no one is.  But when her entire goal — especially, but not exclusively, at this point — is to “fix” him,” this isn’t a healthy relationship.
I’ve commented in an earlier post that this iteration of Lucifer is so far away from some great force of evil that needs to be redeemed before he can be decent.  Yes, he’s got flaws: arrogance, impulsiveness, etc.  Yes, he’s got vices: alcohol, adrenaline, sex, etc.  But is he evil?  No, absolutely not.  In no sense of the word.  Hell, the man views Proper Devilish Revenge for getting shot to be using a bunch of his own money pranking Dan.  (And, honestly, these flaws aren’t something that set him especially apart from humanity, and I’d wager that most people who might stumble across this post probably know people who have similar eccentricities.)  Even objectively speaking, Lucifer doesn’t need some big, concentrated effort to be “fixed.”
But even beyond that, it’s even worse from a relationship point of view.  Relationships should be about give-and-take, about compromise.  It shouldn’t be about one person trying to change their partner without the other being willing/able to make any criticisms, and yet this is precisely Deckerstar’s dynamic: each few episodes has Chloe refusing to accept something about Lucifer, Lucifer tailspinning and overcorrecting, and, usually, him caving, giving her what she wanted, and the whole process repeating.  And, whenever he actually needs something from her, she rarely gives it, like with the Uriel situation.
This is very much the unhealthy version of “I can fix them” and it bothers me that it’s so prevalently a part of the story.
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twinklecupcake · 2 years
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Chloe from Miraculous 
Hhhhhhhhh....
Sexuality Headcanon: Straight/Adrien-centric Gender Headcanon: cis female A ship I have with said character: Noooooo. A BROTP I have with said character: Chloe + Counseling/Therapy A NOTP I have with said character: Anybody. Chloe's seriously toxic and should work on herself before she's even considered friends with anyone. A random headcanon: Later on, Chloe will be sent to some sort of summer retreat for upper-class girls, or demand to be transferred to another, fancier school... where she will no longer be a Big Fish and realize there are people who legitimately do not give a fuck about who her daddy is, and it'll be a huge eye-opener for her. General Opinion over said character: So... Chloe herself, I really don't like, and I especially dislike how any attempt at development never properly sticks. On the other hand, I hate how Ass Truck says she's worse than Hawk Moth and is repeatedly acting like a 15-year-old girl is some grand and horrific villain. No, she's just a Mean Girl. One who needs taking down a few pegs, but don't compare a teen girl to the actual villain of your show, especially when you can't even write women to save your life.
As an aside, @zoe-oneesama has the best Chloe.
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copblood · 1 year
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here’s 75 Actually Sapphic artists who actually like girls and make Actual gay people music about loving women (for those lost soul dykes who think taylor swift is a gay icon for some reason)
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zoe-oneesama · 11 months
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Ladybug has far more patience than I to listen to Chloe’s new annoying catch phrase and not punch her in the face.
Based on Yamai:
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Ko-fi | Patreon
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galahadwilder · 25 days
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Fix that looks like Adrien salt and Chloé sugar at first glance only for the fic to slowly reveal that both of them are trans, transitioned before the fic started, and thought it would be hilarious to switch first names, so they’re actually both completely in-character
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Alya, teaching marinette how to drive: okay so you're driving and you see chloe and sabrina on the road. Quick, which do you hit?
Marinette: oh without question, chloe
Alya, rubbing her temples: the brakes, marinette, YOU HIT THE BRAKES
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angelshizuka · 4 months
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ML writers: Using the miraculous for evil overrides the security system and causes harm to the underaged holder.
Hm, interesting... I don't recall "more evil than a literal terrorist" Chloe ever being harmed using the bee miraculous. So by your own logic, she was never truly evil to begin with.
ML writers, your bullshit is becoming even more transparent than it's already been for years.
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hi-there-buddies · 5 months
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I did this in two hours so forgive the sloppiness but I’ve come to the realization that the reason people don’t make agent venom fanart is because it’s a pain in the goddamn ass✨✨
Anyway here is Chloe Bourgeois as Agent Venom because I’ve been thinking of one of the many Spider-Man AUs of miraculous, and Flash Thompson is basically the character arc everybody wanted for Chloe before Astruc cast her character to hell❤️
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“I think people might get mad at me for this, but I don’t really care. I need to say this: People need to understand the difference between a "redemption arc" and "redemption acts" when it comes to Chloe. I don't think Chloe was ever meant to redeem. All that "development" that we've seen from her before the S3 finale were "redemption acts", not a "redemption arc". Just think about it, besides Miss Bustier (the one that was the least hurt by Chloe doing the entirety of this, and that's only because she enables her), who has Chloe really truly apologized to for her behavior? 
If her mother had never been entered into the story, her "redemption arc" would've never been seen, and the only real reason why people even see it is that she has a "sad backstory". Chloe was always a bully who only did decent things SOMETIMES, not a girl who was developing. Chloe was always a character who only was interested in being "a good person" when it benefits HER, not anyone else. I really starting to think that the only reason why this “Chloe Redemption” thing came to be because of misconception coming from both the fans and the writers/Thomas. The writers/Thomas shouldn’t have given Chloe redeemable traits and a bad parent if they wanted to sell us the fact that Chloe was a bad person, and the fans shouldn’t assume things, be so entitled and hold such high expectations.” 
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qs3 · 9 months
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Miraculous Ladybug Meme 2 (Thomas Astruc Edition)
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I'm still tired of Miraculous Ladybug. However, I got bored, so I made this. Enjoy this meme.
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scripted-downfall · 2 years
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An Interpretation of Confidentiality
I’ve been doing a rewatch of Lucifer, and I forgot how much I hated the season 6 episode “Save the Devil, Save the World.”  There are so many things that piss me the hell off about this episode, and I find myself disliking most of the people in it for various reasons.
I mean, first there’s Linda, and I cannot express enough how much I dislike her in this episode.  For all she spoke about Doctor-Devil confidentiality across the seasons, she started a very, very long book based on what should have been confidential therapy — and not just therapy with Lucifer, either, since it featured components of everyone’s conversations with her — and intended it to be mass-published eventually.  When Lucifer found out, he had every right to be pissed (and, frankly, I was hoping he would be)... and yet he sees the best in the gesture and is legitimately enthusiastic about it… and then, later, she turns the entire situation into being about herself.  It’s selfish and unethical.
Then, there’s the collective response to reading the book.  Everyone jumps on Lucifer for how he portrayed them in the story, but the fact is that it’s not just his account that’s been put into the book??  It’s really unfair for him to get all the blame when the fact is that Linda knew everybody involved, that she’d had counselling sessions with all of them, and that the book contained things that Lucifer literally couldn’t have told her.  I mean, the snippet about Maze and Dan feeding Chloe’s father’s killer to the Russians wasn’t something Lucifer knew about, or, at least, certainly not in as much detail as was contained in the narrative: not the exact wording, for example, of what they’d said.  Linda quite clearly took information from everybody in the celestial inner circle — quite possibly including Ella — for her book, so blaming Lucifer for how everyone is represented is idiotic at best and purposefully unfair at worst.
And then there’s Chloe and her damn, “What if you think I’m smart and… and beautiful and ‘perfect’ because you’ve never stuck around long enough to see me at my worst?”  I mean, on the one hand, I guess that I kinda get where she’s coming from, but also…  She broke into his penthouse, trashed the place, stole his stuff, and tried breaking into his safe in a fit of pique because he and Ella had to go deal with a case on her birthday.  She tried to poison him and send him back to Hell.  She got addicted to super strength from Amenadiel’s necklace and tried to kill him permanently with Azrael’s blade to keep it.  He’s very clearly seen her at her worst and consistently stuck around anyway, so acting as though she’s been a picnic the entire time is ridiculously naive and kinda insulting to him.
All of this is made so much worse by the fact that Lucifer legitimately doesn’t seem to recognize there being a problem.  He takes the book-writing as a good gesture and makes the best of it; he does the same with Chloe’s decision to renege on their plan to go with him to Heaven without any notice.  I’ve talked about the way he seems to view his own rights as not especially important in the post Needing the Eggs, but this entire episode showcases it.  I really wish that someone alive had pointed out to Ella that three other humans had found out about Lucifer’s devil nature, and that it had prompted one of them to have a slight breakdown and two of them to try to kill him; Lucifer certainly wasn’t going to point that out and, while Dan kinda tried to do so, he had to do it through Linda’s book, which meant that it was contained in a single line that Ella didn’t even seem to register.
Honestly, the only two characters in the episode for whom I truly, completely felt bad were Ella and Lucifer.
I feel for Ella, I really do… I fully understand why she feels hurt.  (I would say that I’m not sure that Lucifer actually knew that she lost her faith in the aftermath of Charlotte Richards; I don’t remember precisely what was going on, but I recall him being absent/extremely preoccupied at the time.  I think that it might have been when he was worried about salvaging his relationship with Chloe post Devil-face-reveal/when she was trying to kill him, but I very well could be wrong.  Either way, I’m not sure he was that aware that she lost her faith such that it’s fair to say that he just stood by watching without helping.)
And then Lucifer… I mean, Rory’s appearance was already a pretty vicious cut to any progress he’d made towards not hating himself (telling him that he’s no better than the father he hated, saying she hated him, trying to kill him, etc), but this episode… Slowly but surely, the entire cast of characters — including Ella, if I’m being honest, though, again, she’s the only one at all justified in it — spend their time jumping on Lucifer, slowly but surely eating away at that same progress.  By the time the episode ends, he’s internalized everything into “You think I’ll fail, don’t you?  My own therapist doesn’t actually believe that I’ll become God.” and “I’m not capable of real change.”  (Oh, and then Chloe acts all surprised by that statement, trying to excuse her earlier accusations with “What I said back there… I was scared” as though that fixes anything, but not intending to hurt someone does not erase the hurt, especially since she’s supposed to be the one person who supports him, who has faith in him, etc.)  All in all, this episode was the very last thing he needed.
I’m not sure that’s everything I dislike about the episode — it’s probably not — but I felt the need to express at least some of how I felt… Honestly, it might be one of my least favorite episodes of that season.
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crimsoncosmic · 6 months
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So, apparently, an adult supervillain whose been terrorizing a city for years, rarely actually shows remorse for his actions and is also a neglectful and controlling parent because of the “death” of his wife is “sympathetic” and “redeemable”
but a teenage girl whose a bully because she has an abusive mother who constantly belittled her and can’t even remember her own name that she so desperately wants the approval of and a father who just spoils her to death, who showed remorse for her actions at times and was actually on the road to changing and becoming a better person after becoming a superhero before it was taken all away from her at the last second is “irredeemable” and “absolutely evil”.
Thomas Astruc’s logic is absolutely ridiculous.
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gryficowa · 2 months
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Let's be honest, Marinette and the rest of the characters put more effort into trashing Chloe herself than into actually helping (And they still have the nerve to say they were trying to help when in reality all they said was "Be nice" and nothing else, it's a strong attempt to avoid making an effort to help, which the person needs)
Yes, I'm pissed, that's why there are so many posts, but seriously, the fandom still believes that the characters tried to help Chloe and it's all her fault because she didn't accept "Help", too bad it wasn't even help (This song fits so well)
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Yes, I get annoyed with people in the fandom who say that the characters tried, it's bullshit, they didn't do anything to help her (And that's why they put more effort into destroying her than actually helping her), and empty words are things anyone can say
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