#anti acosf
worldsnotsaid · a day ago
I am curious about the hypocrisy in the discourse around Elain and Nesta. You’d think that the same stans that vehemently argue about choice and a woman right to choose would hate Nessian. Because…y’know…they lock Nesta in the house with Cassian after Nesta has repeatedly reiterated that she does not want to be around him, even when Cassian understands that she doesn’t want to be around him, and yet when it’s Cassian following Nesta home, when it’s the IC locking Nesta in the house with it…crickets?
Idk—I just wonder what the response would be if SJM locked Elain in the townhouse with Lucien until she learned to love the wonders of the mating bond. What if it was Elain who was locked in the house with a man she repeatedly said she didn’t want to be with, who watched her fall down ten thousand steps and then laughed at her attempts to escape. If it were Elain who was given a time table to heal or be exiled. Just a thought.
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cinearia · a day ago
I'm sorry, but the way people view Feysand risky pregnancy arc makes it sound like just a 'mistake' on the part of Rhysand is quite worrying. It's just not worse than the justifications to rid the IC of any culpability ('He wanted to protect her', I imagine what could happen if he didn't)
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awanderingdreamer11 · a day ago
“Why do you push everyone away but Elain?” Why have you always pushed me away?
Some emotion guttered in her eyes. Her throat bobbed. Nesta shut her eyes for a moment, breathing in sharply. “Because—”
This scene in acowar teared me up a little. It's scenes like this when you realize nesta and feyre had so much to sit and talk about. The way feyre wants to understand nesta, the way she is hurt that nesta always pushed feyre away but is unable to tell nesta that. They needed to communicate, feyre deserved an answer and so did the readers but sjm didn't give us ONE proper sister moment between these two.
It's like she knew people were looking forward to see how these two deal with their relationship and issues that have existed since book 1 and went "nahh that's exactly what I'm not gonna give you lolzz here take this B grade smut and this scene of nesta kneeling in front of amren & a forced Life saving moment and all their years long issues are solved 😁" I started rooting for nesta in acowar, she could've had an amazing character arc and their sibling relationship would've made us all sob but...*sigh*. Idc what anyone says I'm going to die on this hill that sjm ruined nesta in sf
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daybreakmusings · 3 months ago
So tired of the “Nesta has hurt and wronged so many people” narrative because who are they talking about? 
A case can be made for both Feyre and Cassian, sure. While a similar case can be made for their treatment towards her. But that’s literally it. 
Rhysand? Please
Morrigan? Get over yourself
Elain? Out of the question
Azriel? Of course not
Amren? I. Wish.
Nesta isn’t the monster you all have made her out to be and she always delivers what she has been served. Treat her with respect and she will treat you accordingly. 
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phosphenes-in-night · 5 months ago
That feeling of unity when the fandom collectively hates the author is unmatched.
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happysharkintensifies · 2 months ago
Rhysand's sudden appearance at the end of HOSAB is the culmination of one of the most annoying and infuriating tropes that plague supposedly 'feminist' titles.
Let's say you've picked up a book. Maybe it’s fantasy. Maybe it's science fiction. Maybe it’s historical fiction, or straight up romance. Whatever the genre, you probably picked it up because there's a female protagonist whose story you want to hear.
And for a while, it's going great. The protagonist is intelligent/witty/capable. She's ticking most of your boxes, if not all of them, and you're eager to see where she goes.
But then the male love interest sidles into the plot, and then things start to go wrong.
He swaggers in, all broody, or smirking, or mysterious. He's got a shady, secret past, or he's had major trauma in his life. He has an athlete's build and he's strangely beautiful. He has a mission or crusade for justice or vengeance. He has a brooding intensity or a smoldering gaze.
Bonus points if he dresses all in black or he has aesthetic 'shadow powers'.
Either way, our heroine finds herself intrigued. And as time goes on, as the love interest plays a bigger role in the story, that intrigue starts to become something more.
Finally, there will come a moment. The heroine's inhibitions fall away, and she finds herself completely infatuated.
And that's when there's a shift. Sometimes it's a bit sudden and jarring if the author isn't quite practiced yet. But sometimes the author is skilled enough that the shift is subtle and easily missed.
Whichever it is, the result is the same: sooner or later, our female protagonist has been sidelined in her own story. Her motivations, her drives, her every waking thought, are now subordinate to this smirking male love interest, who has now displaced her and taken away her protagonist spot.
Our female lead is no longer an active player; she's become the grand prize to be won by this male character. Sometimes, there's a veneer of an equal relationship; our female lead may be his valuable confidante or his right hand woman. But it’s still just a veneer: at the end of the day, she's still subordinate to the man she's paired with.
And then you realize; our protagonist was never the true focus at all. Our protagonist is now just a walking camera, a proxy through which her author can focus their effort and care onto the real focal point of the story; the male love interest, who's been the actual main character this whole time.
It was never her story in the first place. It was his.
She no longer makes decisions or takes initiative for herself; it's now for him.
It's no longer about her mission or goals or desires; it's now about his.
It's no longer about her struggles or pains or hardships, it's now about his.
And it's not just her story that's stolen from her. Her personality, character and strengths are wittled away as well.
If she's competent and skilled at something, then she'll suddenly have the rug pulled put from beneath them by a man who inexplicably outclasses her.
If she's confident, well-spoken, and respected, then she'll suddenly become tongue-tied, flustered and condescended to by a smirking man who's somehow more witty and eloquent than she is.
If she has ambitions that don't immediately revolve around men or relationships, then she'll suddenly have her mind changed by a man who'll make her forget and discard her goals in favor of his.
If she's disinterested in, or indifferent to men, she'll suddenly become infatuated with and softened up by an excessively attractive man almost instantaneously.
And, worst of all, if she confronts him for his gaslighting/manipulation/violence/abuse, she'll suddenly find her anger and will crumbling as the story and narrative excuses and forgives him for his misdeeds. Worst of all, she'll be forced to admit that she's wrong.
I've picked up too many books that are supposed to feature badass or compelling women, only to find them being undermined by men.
And I'm tired of it. I'm tired of compelling female protagonists ceding all their initiative and agency because they’re suddenly convinced some Byronic edgelord's grand quest or crusade is somehow more important than their own.
SJ/M's books suffer from this terribly, especially in the case of Rhysand. It's as if SJ/M (and other authors like her) can't concieve a scenario in which a woman, protagonist or otherwise, is NOT awed by, overpowered by, subservient to, or superceded by Rhysand (or, for that metter, any other man) in some way.
I don't care if this male love interest is a deep character. I don't care if his motivations are compelling. I don't care if his morality, grey or otherwise, makes him fascinating. I don't care if he has six pack abs, lustrous hair, or shimmering eyes. And I certainly don't care about whatever oh-so-tragic backstory or trauma he uses to justify his predatory/abusive/manipulative behavior.
If he swaggers into the story and starts leeching away at the female protagonist's agency, headspace, character, and story, then he's not a character; he's a tumor that needs to be excised posthaste.
And it's not that hard to cut out that tumor. It's absolutely possible to have a unique, compelling, interesting, and even funny female protagonist tell her story, without some pretty-faced, musclebound bad boy barging in and stealing her spotlight. I've seen it in videogames. I've seen it in fanfic. I've even seen it in history, IRL.
Just for once, I'd like to see so-called feminist authors actually make their female protagonists centerstage with desires and goals and ambitions, instead of just being a vehicle through which the author can fawn over the tall, overly attractive, self-pitying popinjay who's been the real focus the entire time.
And if they still prefer to write a story just so they can ooh and aah at their imaginary Adonis, then they can at least do the courtesy of excluding a female perspective outright. They can make this special, muscle-bound snowflake the protagonist from the outset.
They don't need to undermine smart, capable and competent female leads and squander their potential in favor of their thirst trap.
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alpacaffe · a month ago
Y'know, now everytime i read Cassian in ACOSF, gloomy and grumbling about the fact that Nesta had so many eligible suitors before, and how he is never gonna be good enough for her, I just think to myself:
"You know what? You're right ! Now step aside so she can marry an actual heir to a court, a goddamns high lord or go to the continent and marry a emperor there or something"
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a-court-of-valkyries · 3 months ago
In my mind, acosf didn't end the way it did. Instead, Nesta called the IC out on their crap, dumped Cassian, and her and the valkyries went to the summer court (with Lucien and Balthazar) to live their best lives. Or she accepted Eris’s proposal, they become Prythian’s most famous power couple as they rule the Autumn Court after killing Beron, and the valkyries, Lucien, and Balthazar join Nesta there. Either way, Nesta leaves Night and lives her best life with her true sisters
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before the hike part started:
Feyre was quiet for a long minute. He says that he knows he’s supposed to say that’s unnecessary, but to tell you he’s secretly delighted. Good. I am secretly glad to hear that. Feyre laughed, and the sound was proof that she might have been hurt, startled by the news, but she was indeed adapting to it.
You two, what?
I can understand riceman being delighted to forcing nesta on a hike after she told her sister the truth he was hiding, but Cassian, Nesta's own mate. being glad to hear that? Then her sister who was about to die in ignorance, laughing?
run nesta, run.
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belle-keys · 2 months ago
hey yall remember when tamlin locked feyre in the mansion and it was correctly acknowledged as abuse and then when the inner circle locked nesta in the house of wind and that was suddenly not abuse cus same
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bythenineshards · a month ago
Rhys and the Illusion of choice
I see a lot of people on various forums say that they like Rhys better because he's all about "Choice". Which would be fair if it wasn't a blatant lie. Rhys only gives someone a choice when he's sure that they'll do what he wants them to do. He appeals to Feyre about helping in the war because he knows she'll want to do that. He's been in her mind since Utm and knows she wants to understand her power. He understands that she wants more freedom than Tamlin gives her. He knows she'll do exactly what he wants. But what about when that outcome is uncertain? He chooses not to say anything until it is too late.
Rhys wants Feyre to be happy during her pregnancy and thus keeps her in the dark about the risks. He doesn't know nor does he want to know what she would choose in this situation. So she doesn't get to.
This isn't just the way it is with Feyre either. Take Tarquin or Mor. Both are deprived of their say in matters regarding what Rhys wants. Does Rhys go to Tarquin looking for an alliance? Does he try diplomacy in regards to getting the book? No. He goes straight to theft because he knows there's a chance Tarquin won't do what Rhys wants. In Acosf, Rhys neglects to tell Mor that her abusers are coming because he knows Mor would protest and make a stink (rightfully). So he just doesn't tell her that it's happening. The same goes for Nesta and her powers.
Rhys isn't about choice. Rhys is about getting what he wants and Maas just covers for him.
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worldsnotsaid · 2 days ago
He took the invitation to survey her: long bare legs, an elegant sweep of hips, tapered waist—too damn thin—and full, inviting breasts that were at odds with the new, sharp angles of her body. On any other female, those magnificent breasts might have been enough cause for him to begin courting her the moment he met her. But from the instant he’d met Nesta, the cold fire in her eyes had been a temptation of a different sort.
I don’t even think I have to say anything about this🫤. ‘She’s malnourished but would you look at the rack on her’ is the wildest sentiment to push. Where’s the worry? The genuine worry?
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aqueerincrisis · 3 months ago
tamlin locked feyre into a room without her consent.
the ic gave nesta the choice between two options: stay in the house of wind, or leave the night court.
nesta had death powers stolen from the cauldron. she would have been fucking fine outside of the night court, as clearly shown in the bog scene.
nesta chose to stay in the house of wind.
feyre didn't get that choice.
stop fucking comparing the two situations.
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awanderingdreamer11 · 11 days ago
“Your sister died—died to save my people. She is willing to do so again to protect you from war. So don’t expect me to sit here with my mouth shut while you sneer at her for a choice she did not get to make—and insult my people in the process.”
I miss this cassian. Where did he go??
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daybreakmusings · 2 months ago
Very confused as to how Nesta supposedly failed Feyre when Feyre was never her responsibility?
 How was Nesta supposed to protect Feyre when she couldn’t even protect herself? Why isn’t this acknowledged? Why is Nesta expected to take on the role of Feyre’s father or mother and why is Feyre letting this narrative continue?
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xstarlightsupremex · 2 months ago
The next time Cassian invalidates Nesta’s feelings about Rhysand so openly and violently (even though she’s not wrong to think the way she does) I hope she tells him:
“If you love your High Lord so much, you can go sleep next to him tonight”
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s-tormwitch · 13 days ago
hate Cassian in acosf. there's that part where Rhys tells Nesta to treat Gwyn with dignity and Cassian doesn't like it, says Rhys thinks Nesta can't offer sympathy. but that's the point. she never offered sympathy to anyone, anyone at all, until she met Gwyn and Emerie, who only knows a different version of her. Rhys only saw Nesta treat everyone like shit. what the fuck did Cassian expect Rhysand to assume after seeing Nesta humiliate Feyre and everyone else around him? fuck you Cassian of acosf, and Nesta of all books, bitch
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a-court-of-messy-break-ups · 3 months ago
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leilarambles · 11 days ago
no because let’s talk about this whole “nesta never deserved cassian’s love” theme.
why? genuinely why?
because she was cold to him? because she said mean things to him? because she refused to be friends with him and fit into his lil gang of overgrown man-children and holier-than-thou women?
nesta literally never owed him any of those things. she didn’t owe him her time or attention or friendship. yes, she was disrespectful to him from the beginning, i won’t excuse that, but literally so was he?? like, when they first met this man legit came for her, a full stranger to him, giving this whole spiel on how she basically failed feyre as a sister because feyre hunted to provide for their family while nesta sat on her ass. so like, what’s up with these double standards? if ur gna hold nesta accountable for every horrible thing she’s said to cassian, let’s do the same to him. because him saying this shit to her in acomaf was…atrocious. idk how we all looked at it and thought yeah…that’s a ship. i ship it. my ship is sailing.
and yk what, if this is the criteria for whether nesta “deserves” cassian’s love or not, why does the narrative not give that same energy to feyre and elain?
think about it. when feyre and rhys first met and throughout the beginning of their relationship, she was cold and rude to him. she made no effort to get to know or befriend him and his friends. she literally threw a shoe at his head. but because feyre was suffering from depression and ptsd, somehow it’s okay that her relationship with rhys started off super rocky? somehow feyre is never undeserving of rhys’ love, and vice versa, even though rhysand literally assaulted her?
elain was also pretty closed off and withdrawn from the ic when she first met them. she, like feyre, was going through personal shit, so the narrative excuses her initial behaviour around the ic. even with lucien, whom she constantly turns away/avoids, the narrative doesn’t villainize her treatment of him. in fact, it always strives to make it clear that elain does not owe lucien anything just because they’re mates (which is true—she doesn’t. so why couldn’t the narrative extend nesta that same courtesy? why wouldn’t it give nesta even more of it, considering she and cassian weren’t aware of their mating bond when they first met? they had even less of a connection than elain and lucien.)
but when it comes to nesta—nesta, who was severely depressed, traumatized, suffering from ptsd, developed an alcohol addiction, and basically had an eating disorder—she is for some unexplainable reason not exempted from her behavior towards cassian on the grounds that her mental health was at it’s lowest the way feyre and elain were. the way she treats him means that, even though he treats her just as terribly in the beginning and even more so throughout their relationship as it develops (or does…whatever it does in acosf. idk if i’d classify it as “development”), she isn’t “worthy” of his love.
because nesta isn’t “nice”? bestie, with the way her own mate + her own sisters + the ic treat her, how can they even blame her?
i just do not agree with the notion that love is something people need to “earn” or “be deserving of”, and i disagree with it even more when u try to use this notion as a way to show the “worth” of people (yes, even if those people are fictional characters).
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Instead of kneeling and apologizing, Nesta should have slapped Amren's face for calling her a waste of life.
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