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#anti c!dream
testingcheats0n · 2 years
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"Basically, I think that dream isn't confirming the theory/headcanon that says that c!dream was obsessed with c!tommy" shdhejdnshdusjdbdhdjdndn
GIRL?!
What theory? THEORY?!
I'm losing it.
The apologists have gaslighted this fandom so hard that CANON, FACTUAL CANON is considered a theory.
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sysboxes · 3 months
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bleue-flora · 2 months
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There has been a lot of discussion regarding c!Quackity, c!Tommy and c!Dream recently, a good portion stemming from the recent video circling around, where it is depicted that c!Tommy not only knew of c!Quackity’s torture but approved.
But while I could write an essay about it (ok yea I did…but) instead I want to shift the focus a bit, away from the same debates we keep having year after year. Because I think we’ve become too focused on the characters themselves over the audience's perception of them and too focused on morality, justification, and right and wrong in a story where everyone is morally questionable. Because at the end of the day it isn’t whether c!Dream or c!Tommy were actually right or justified, it is about - Who you root for and why. It is about (you) the audience's perception of the characters, not the characters’ perceptions of each other. Sure, c!Tommy himself feels justified in hurting c!Dream but do you believe he was.
With that thought in mind I found myself reading a 24 page research paper last night on a psychological study that looked at what an audience defines as the hero and villain. Why they are naturally pulled to like certain characters and hate others. What the audience’s classification of morality in regard to the characters of fiction where the conditions of morality are often not defined. One of the things shown in the data and line up to real life is that at the end of the day, heroes and villains are not defined on true purity and morality itself. If they were, action heroes and anti-heroes wouldn’t be successful and enticing. And yet, anti-heroes are some of the most beloved characters. In fact, I for one am typically drawn to violent anti-heroes, some of which are the heroes despite being perhaps sadistic murderers and torturers. But if the audience doesn’t simply define hero and villain as ‘good’ and ‘evil’ then what is pulling us toward taking one side over the other.
The answer is actually more complex than you might think. According to this paper, the first thing taken into consideration in a viewer’s appeal or unappeal of a character has to do with what the viewer considers “appropriate behavior.” Simply put, “appropriateness” is basically a social judgment which serves to approve or disapprove of a character’s behavior. This can be based on many things, such as cultural norms, societal code of conduct, your personal morals or experiences. And I think this is key, because I for one see stealing and griefing when I play Minecraft as seriously hurtful things to do (even though you can always rebuild). To the point that if you blow up the house I spent hours building or take my items it can ruin the fun for me entirely. So my definition of the appropriateness of such behavior might differ from people who take those things much more light-heartedly, causing me to disapprove of c!Tommy more than they would for that behavior.
Even further, when it comes to determining their appropriateness of behavior as in whether we tend to approve or disapprove of them we can look at moral domains, which spark our moral intuition instead of simply categorizing everything into ‘good’ or ‘bad’ since not even our subconscious brain is always so black and white. In the research I read, they looked at two sets of domains (aka sets of relating attributes used to measure and compare): The person-perception domains of Warmth (tolerant, friendly, warm, polite, gentle, trustworthy), Competence (intelligence, cleverness, opposite of stupidity, efficiency) and Duplicity (mad, tormented, violent, and tragic), which help to measure our perception of morality in characters as well as the five moral domains of MFT - harm/care (concerned with the suffering of others and empathy), fairness/reciprocity (related to justice), authority/respect (related to hierarchy and dominance), ingroup/loyalty (common good and punitiveness toward outsiders), purity/sanctity (concerned with contamination). According to the research behind these domains, we, the viewer, evaluate characters immediately and without cognitive deliberation. In other words, when characters fulfill domains it sticks with us and when they violate domains it can send out major red flags to us as soon as it happens without us thinking about it, not later in more considerate retrospect. So then, it makes sense that now as we debate we struggle to find common ground because our judgment was made ages ago and it's hard to reason with our already defined moral intuition.
As such, since I started getting into the dsmp first by watching all of the recordings of previous streams in order in this one playlist then going onto watching all of the blueberrytv videos (at the time of course), which edit the streams to allow you to see things from multiple perspectives. Therefore, I watched things from the very beginning, back when it was just c!George and c!Dream goofing off and dying in the nether. So, my intuitive judgment of c!Dream involves him building the community house, always trying to keep the peace between his friends, exploring the world so he can bring back all the types for wood for people to build with, building the prime path to connect everyone's houses together to make for easier travel, rebuilding Tubbo’s house after c!Tommy burned it down, helping c!Ponk when people kept burning down his house. These are just some of the moments I suspect helped to form my evaluation of him. Showing him as being very empathetic and caring, being loyal to his friends and accepting of new people, being a mediator and trying to keep things fair between his friends, fulfilling at least 3 (since he kinda is the authority that is hard to classify) of the moral domains. The streams also depicted the characteristics with warmth as well as competence and intelligence. So immediately my perceptive moral intuition deemed him the hero. As he fulfilled the warmth and competence domains of the one method and most of the domains of the other method without violating them in an obvious enough manner for me to remember at this moment (These are by no means the only reasons why I’d be inclined to root for c!Dream but that's beside the point).
On the other hand, my introduction to c!Tommy was him immediately breaking the three rules, by going around taking down donator’s signs, griefing, stealing, claiming things and property as his, trying to kill people until he ends up being banned. So he hurt others and causes harm, he is invited to join and have fun but fails to reciprocate that by going about and messing things up, he immediately disrespects everyone and defies authority by breaking the rules, hard to say on loyalty though (as mentioned above) him burning down c!Tubbo’s, his best friend, house doesn’t give me the impression of loyalty, concerning purity he scams and lies, is obsessed (though hardly the only one) with male genitalia (which I personally find unsavory) and is disrespectful towards women so definitely failing in the purity and sanctity domain as well. In regards to warmth, I wouldn’t say so, nor particularly competent, though certainly meeting the more violent and aggressive elements of duplicity. So in other words, in just his first few streams he has violated every moral domain, while also not meeting the warmth or competence but meeting duplicity. So immediately my impression of him is to dislike and disprove as my moral intuition labels him as a villain.
In other words, perhaps our affinity for characters and perception of their morality has less to do with actual legal or other measurements of morality but more of what our initial impression was that formed our judgment from the very start. Because at the end of the day, I feel like the discussion needs to be less about whether this character or that character is ‘good’ or ‘bad’ because their motivation or trauma justifies their behavior and more about what qualities do you appreciate about the character. At the end of the day, it's fiction and you should be able to love or hate whatever character you want regardless of morality or right & wrong. It’s your opinion and I don’t see other fandoms shaming and bashing other people for liking a certain character that others dislike and/or the protagonist dislikes meaning therefore they are bad so how can you like them. But in the same way, I should also be able to hate a character without being bashed for not being empathetic to their trauma… Anyways I think the idea that we all see characters as justified and innocent in our own way is cool, especially in respect to the dsmp which is told from all angles, and that’s what I set out to learn more about and share with you. Hopefully, you have enjoyed my findings and I made sense (…..and if it didn’t, you are always welcome to ask or add on :D), sorry for the length I’m beginning to realize conciseness is not my strong suit…
I hope with this interesting angle, we can lean away from discussions on legal, moral, crime, trauma and more towards questions of preference and characteristics and personal perception - Why do you root for them? What was your introduction to the characters? How do you think that impacted your viewpoint on the story? Has your viewpoint ever changed? What do you think helped define your definition of ‘appropriateness’?… etc <3 <3
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sun-is-a-square · 2 years
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Reminder that if c!Dream didn’t manipulate c!Punz into manipulating c!Purpled into brainwashing c!Slime nothing bad would’ve ever happened to c!Quackity!!! It is all c!Dream’s fault
Never mind the fact that Slime point blank says he’s doing this because of the things Quackity actually did say and do to him
Also ignore the fact that saying Slime was tricked or manipulated into killing Quackity (even though he’d killed Purpled already) completely undermines his speech about how everyone, beginning with Quackity, had been trying to mold him to do what they wanted, and that this was Slime taking back his autonomy and personhood
Dream is to blame for everything negative that happens even if it cheapens or outright breaks established lore and characterization
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dr3amofagame · 2 months
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If you’re still taking “hot” takes…. C!Dreambur would have been ten times more toxic than c!Drunz. C!Wilbur would have taken one look at c!Dream post-prison and gone “i can break that bitch better”. And then flaunted it in c!Quackity’s face.
And because I know you really dislike c!Tommy, c!discduo deserved a happy ending. I leave what that may entail up to your interpretation.
"and because i know you really dislike c!tommy" do you know me ... ? at most i can be somewhat ambivalent but i like the kid in general lmao
look all im gonna say about the c!dreambur c!drunz convo is that for all that people talk about how c!dream and c!punz had No One But Each Other c!wilbur did it first with "Wilbur believes Dream has nothing if not himself"
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judgehangman · 2 years
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funniest fucking thing to ever happen on dreblr was the logsted jailbreak scene happening and every single mf wanting a c!dream redemption arc going LOL NEVERMIND FUCK THEM UP BABY
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bigmantommysys · 4 months
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I think I have been adopted by the system's Grian interject -Drista
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mossmelancholic · 1 year
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i feel my main issue with the finale is that it’s a bad ending that exists for the wrong reasons.
one of the aspects of c!tommy’s lore that appealed to me was how fundamentally bleak his existence always turns out to be. he’s inherently a tragic character: the consequences for his actions are always overblown in comparison to both the intent and the impact of them. because of his loud personality and even louder voice, he’s the centre of attention in any room he walks into, which makes him a quick and easy scapegoat if you’re looking for someone to blame. he’s stubborn and he’s surviving, but he’s never at peace with his circumstances because something is always missing - his discs, his friends, his family.
i know that suffering for the sake of suffering is not a story beat that many are fond of. i know that many watchers just wanted tommy to heal because he deserved something hopeful. but to see a character whose circumstances are always stagnating, stuck in this tiring cycle where they always find themselves ending up right back where they started… that really appealed to me on a personal level, and so keeping that in mind, i always thought there was a chance his ending was not going to be a happy one.
but to me, this does not feel like his ending. it’s not an ending that exists for c!tommy. it’s not the natural conclusion to his story. this was an ending made to excuse c!dream’s entire villain arc instead. c!tommy’s characterisation as a victim did not matter here, because characterising c!dream as a victim instead was the intended goal. the abuse c!dream inflicted on c!tommy is less important than desperately clutching at straws to make a character, that we as an audience have no reason to view as sympathetic, ‘worthy’ of our sympathy. the narrative is desperate to give room for c!dream to have a second chance, something that comes at the cost of enabling victim blaming against a canonical child abuse survivor.
when c!tommy, in the haze of memory loss, befriends his abuser, i don’t think it was intended to be tragic. it could and should have been, because c!tommy having no recollection of anything is a good set-up that would leave him vulnerable, open to c!dream’s manipulation once again because he doesn’t know who to avoid and who not to trust. but it isn’t trying to be unsettling when we see c!tommy unknowingly befriending his abuser; it’s meant to be a sign of hope that now everything has been reset, maybe there could be peace again. it doesn’t work, because the viewers remember everything even if the characters don’t. instead the amnesia plot line feels like a flimsy method of making a blank slate and a fresh new start where c!dream can avoid the consequences of his actions completely. this is a unintentional bad ending for c!tommy, because he’s placed in a position where he will grow to trust someone who has the full capacity to hurt him, but it’s an intentional good ending for c!dream and it seems that’s where the cc’s priorities lie.
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blvd-sys · 1 year
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The boy ever <3 (redraw of this!)
This is art of our fictive! Be respectful!
Reblog if you like this post. If you leave just a like, I’m blocking you.
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floofballsammy · 6 months
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Mcyt art redraw here. Before any of you say anything, please read the info below the cut.
(Formatting on mobile screwed up so hard I'm just gonna post the redraws without the original. They're all from around 2022-2023).
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So. MCYT art. Huh.
Look, I'm gonna be honest here, I am not in the fandom anymore. I'm not here to shame anyone who is, you do you. But i'm also not gonna be attacked over a fandom i'm not in. The discourse around it was getting too toxic for me, so I left.
I was in a big MCYT craze during the lockdown and drew a lot. Like, a lot. So when I want to redraw old art, most of it is MCYT related. I'm also generally still proud of the designs. Past me poured a lot of time and love into these and I'm not afraid to stand by that.
Yall are still free to reblog and stuff if you like the art, I don't mind. I wrote this to let people know I'm not an mcyt/dsmp/osmp/etc blog. I might do some redraws, but it's not content I post here regularly.
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testingcheats0n · 2 years
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"I think c!dream antis like to hide behind the c! To hate on cc!dream"
Bestie... c!dream almost made c!tommy commit game over, I'm supposed to like him?!
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melancholykiwi · 1 year
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Hey I mean if dsmp lore dies maybe I can finally enjoy /r c!beeduo in peace cause the server isn’t active anymore
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sysboxes · 5 months
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vulto-cor-de-rosa · 1 year
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"Oh Dream just wanted to go back to simpler times, It's ok, I forgive him 🥺" I FUCKING DON'T! FUCK THAT GUY!!! MOTHER FUCKER, THAT DOES NOT EXCUSE EVERYTHING THAT HE DID! THINGS DIDN'T GO BACK TO "SIMPLER TIMES" BC HE DIDN'T LET IT!! HE WAS STILL A POWER HUNGRY MAN WHO MANIPULATED AND ABUSED, MENTALLY AND PHYSICALLY, MULTIPLE PEOPLE!! HE KILLED AND MADE PEOPLE WANT TO KILL THEMSELVES! ARE YOU GOING TO TELL ME THAT THAT EXCUSES THE DICS FINALLY??? THE REVIVE BOOK?? EXILE??? NO!! MAYBE THAT WAS WHAT HE WANTED IN THE BEGINNING, BUT WHAT HE DID WAS OUTSIDE OF BEING EXCUSABLE! HE WAS THE ONE THAT PUSHED WILBUR TO DO WHAT HE DID, HE WAS THE ONE TO MAKE TUBBO EXILE TOMMY, HE WAS THE ONE THAT PUSHED TUBBO AGAINST TOMMY!! THIS MAN DID NOT DO ALL OF THIS JUST BECAUSE HE WANTED TO GO BACK TO "SIMPLER TIMES". HE WAS A MONSTER AND I'M GLAD THAT HE'S DEAD.
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stormbee8 · 1 year
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Being both a c!Dream and c!Tommy enjoyer and watching both sides fight back and forth is so funny, because neither of them get the point lmaoooo.
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vioarry · 2 years
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Brb gonna fix all the tag of my dsmp fanart into "artist is a c!dream apologist" tag
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