(They keep blocking me right after replying to me so I can’t reply back with a counterargument to the same reworded and unexplained argument they’ve used every time lol so I wanted to comment on your reply like this.)
I’ve already explained to them how fiction influences reality and they just say it doesn’t without explaining why it doesn’t, which shows they have no real case.
They invalidate abuse survivors by saying it doesn’t occur and then are ableist towards them by implying they’re not right in the mind for being influenced by fiction when the fact is brought up that abusers use normalized and romanticized abusive content in fictional media as a common tool to groom their victims into believing their abuse is normal and romantic. To both invalidate abuse and be ableist shows they rely on winning argument with emotions over facts.
They act as though they as a fandom elder know more about the psychological subject of fiction’s influence on the mind in reality than a person with a degree and career involving a field of adolescent psychology. This shows their poor credentials hurt their argument even more so.
They argue a lot for someone who doesn’t have a real argument and relies on winning people over with emotion VS facts.
It’s clear they do this because they value the entertainment they consume from fictional media over real people being harmed by it. Those ignoring their arguments being countered and agreeing with them shows they also value entertainment over real people, because agreeing with them brings in the personal gain of being able to ship what you want without feeling guilty or dealing with being proven it’s wrong. To value fictional entertainment over real people invalidates an argument instantly.
If they were to counter the arguments as to how fictional ships harm real people and explain why they don’t, then that would be another story, but they do not.
Their replies consist of things such as “this is anti-bullshit” without addressing what exactly is bullshit and how, and the statement “fiction doesn’t influence reality” without an explanation, or some kind of reply as to how something is “cringey” to distract from the fact they can’t argue against the debate at hand.
Overall, they keep rewording themselves by saying something along the lines of “fiction doesn’t influence reality because sane people can separate fiction from reality and I’m not a pedophile!”
However fiction does influence reality as I’ve already explained in many posts, and they haven’t countered none of my explanations.
It’s not a matter of being sane or not, because fiction influences everyone, which I have also explained in many posts, and they have not countered a single explanation in any of them with reasons as to why I’m wrong.
Additionally, they change the meaning of what I say often and act as though me saying “fiction has an influence on reality” is the same as “fiction is not separate from reality” with how they bring up how people can tell the difference between fiction and reality; I am not arguing people can’t tell the difference between fiction and reality, I am arguing that fiction influences reality.
Lastly, they say they’re not a pedophile, and while it’s a red flag for an adult to enjoy both real or fictional content between an underage boy and a man in his fifties, I never said they were a pedophile, so by implying such they’re putting words into my mouth (which weakens their barely bit of an argument even more.) I said they’re contributing to how it’s a common tactic for abusers to prey on minors by using content in fandoms which are normalized and romanticized in fan-made content and canon content, which is content they contribute to by publicly supporting it.
They do not explain their reasoning, they do not source their reasoning, they do not provide credentials to support their reasoning.
Therefore, they so far have a poor argument.
Now then, @echeveriia , you pretty much bring up a lot of good points in all of your replies, particularly the one including sources, but I want to comment on how much I agree with your last reply in the first link up above, and I’ve spoken out about that subject as well in a part of the link below so I won’t have to repeat myself like I’ve had to do with this shipper multiple times with how she just doesn’t provide explained counter arguments.
You’re also very right about pedophiles consuming the content like this that they make since the number of pedophiles, pedophiliac acts, and the acceptance of pedophiles has spiked since the 90s (or 70s or 80s? One of those dates, although I’m fairly sure it was the 90s rather than the other two.) which was the beginning of big fandoms and when normalization and romanticization of abuse and pedophiliac content began, resulting in these numbers increasing more and more and pedophiles becoming more comfortable in sharing fandoms, as well as using fandoms normalizing their actions to prey on minors.
Overall, feel free to keep debating with this person, but please don’t expect them to actually counter any of your arguments with explanations to debunk your reasoning, because out of the four Cegan shippers I’ve spoken with this is the only one to give claims where they insist they’re right without backing up their reasoning for such.
If anything, just argue with her until you counter all her reasonings, and then each time she tries to give that same reasoning just refer her with a link back to your post debunking that reasoning to show until she debunks that reasoning, her argument isn’t valid and yours is the one in the right.
If someone can’t stan for your arguments, they usually don’t have very good arguments, and either stick to them because they’re too stubbornly proud or because sticking to their argument in ethics allows them to believe what they’re doing isn’t wrong since they don’t want to feel guilty and gain something from their side of their argument due to not wanting to lose it.
She gains the chance to consume entertainment over having to give it up to stop contributing to the harm of real people.
People who value one form of fictional entertainment over real people are not worth the time it takes to argue with them, so I suggest just linking back to your arguments whenever she repeats an argument without explaining it or countering yours with good reasoning.
Do what you want of course, but just linking your replies containing your reasoning with a small comment of how she hasn’t debunked them with her reasoning is the easiest way to just get on with things quickly rather than having to repeat your laid out reasoning a bunch of times to her unexplained statement which keeps being reworded without even countering yours at all lol :)