#anti d&d

[catofoldstones]

Listen I know I like to shit on the Game of Thrones show since I started reading the books but nothing, and I mean nothing, tops Bronn as Lord Paramount of the Reach, because the Tyrells are all dead, as one of the scenes that sends me up a wall on all fours in a rabid rage, hanging onto the ceiling with nothing but my teeth

#asoiaf #anti got #anti d&d #anti game of thrones #s8 #ser bronn of the blackwater

[esther-dot]

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Surely they knew Dany stans would be enraged so the half they were hoping would like it would be…Stark fans?

They thought Stark fans would be happy after they ignored Bran for seasons, teased Sansa as some sort of villain for seasons and then unforgivable even though, she was right about everything in the end? Arya fans were supposed to be happy when she inexplicably leaves her family and home forever? Jon fans were gonna be happy when they destroyed and then banished him?

#game of thrones #anti d&d

[pessimisticpigeonsworld]

I saw a tiktok comparing Paul Atreides to Daenerys and it made me want to gouge out my eyes and break my phone.

I just don't understand how Dany and Paul are comparable in any way. For one thing, Dany's ending in GOT only happened because of bad writing. There's no foreshadowing, no buildup, or reason for her fall.

Disclaimer: I haven't actually read the Dune books yet, just watched the movies and read Wikipedia stuff. So anyone who has read Dune, please please please correct me if I'm misunderstanding things.

From what I saw in the movies and read from secondhand sources, Paul was never meant to be a hero. Sure, he was a good kid, but his arc isn't that of a fallen hero. The moment Paul chose to exploit the fremen and the Bene Gesserit's false prophecy, he solidified himself as anything but a hero. He was set on vengeance and survival.

Paul is a fascinating character, but he's not a hero in any way, and wasn't at any point in his story (to my understanding).

Dany is a hero, whether you like it or not. From book/season one, she's been protecting those weaker than her to the best of her ability. She sacrifices her own desires and ambitions for the sake of others.

...this Mother of Dragons, this Breaker of Chains, is above all a rescuer. (ADWD - Tyrion VI)

Dany chooses to prioritize the innocent and the oppressed in her mission. Paul chooses to lead a holy war that will kill billions of innocents.

They're not comparable characters, because they're very different archetypes and communicate very different things from the authors. Dany is an underdog and someone who fights for justice while maintaining her gentleness. Paul is someone who basically embodies "for the greater good", sacrificing billions for the future.

Dany is written to be a hero, Paul is not. Dany is only turned from being a hero because of bad writing and sexism. Paul's descent is well written and clearly foreshadowed. Paul's story is what D&D wanted to gaslight the viewers into believing Dany's was. Unfortunately, that seems to have worked for certain parts of this fandom. Also, the poster had a Sansa pfp, so I think it's easy to tell why they view Dany this way.

Paul and Dany's characters aren't even in the same ballpark as each other. Comparing them is stupid.

#daenerys targaryen #paul atreides #anti got #anti d&d #anti sansa stans #asoiaf #dune part 2 #dune spoilers #just to be safe #anti dany antis

[eonweheraldodemanwe]

You know how the writers of Game of Thrones didn't get the books themes and characters?

Season seven when Sansa and Arya sre talking about Joffrey's death enjoying it and Arya wishing she was there to watch.

Meanwhile George has Sansa horrified at Joffrey choking to death and Arya finding no joy or comfort when she learns about it because it doesn't being her dead family back.

#anti got #anti game of thrones #anti d&d #sansa stark #arya stark

[unknown-terrain]

Congrats to show!Jaime for finally making it to #1 on a popular media list! 😂 Good to see that heading onto the 5th anniversary of the disastrous S8, Jaime's forced Twincest ending is still truly hated by the masses and that Dumb and Dumber's dream of J/C becoming the "true love" story the audience would grow to love be completely shattered over and over. Anybody with a functioning brain could have told them Twincest was never going to be loved. GRRM himself told them that through asoiaf and making Jaime/Brienne his Beauty and the Beast story but of course D&D never understood the books and thought they could do better. Anyways it's always nice to see D&D get hate for ruining Jaime lmao.

#jaime lannister #nikolaj coster waldau #anti got #game of thrones #anti game of thrones #anti d&d #anti jaime x cersei #anti twincest #anti lannicest #anti cersei lannister #anti cersei #jaime x brienne #braime #brienne of tarth #asoiaf

[abrideofdrogons]

people talk about foreshadowing but never forget season seven sees daenerys leave daario behind in meereen for potential "political marriage arrangements" & then none of her advisors OR jon's advisors decide to mend the rift in the north or avoid potential usurpation by.................................... politically marrying them despite THREE SEASONS of giggling & twirling their hair over it

#a song of ice and fire #asoiaf #daenerys targaryen #anti d&d #anti got

[emptyportrait]

Oh, yeah i have some speculations about HBO adaptation of aegon's conquest. Rest assured that the plot will be surrounded by a drunken lout middle child who on a spur of the moment decides to conquer an entire continent. An alleged dark sorceress firstborn who'd probably be jealous of her younger sister. The doomed youngest child who will embrace death first. [She also loved music, dancing, and poetry, but those traits might be erased cause who cares, right??] A half-brother who will be portrayed as a backbiter and harbouring resentment towards the conqueror trio because he is a bastard. I won't be surprised at all if Harren the Black is shown as a tragic figure. And it may also feature a happy and harmonious westeros where everyone lived amiably before evil megalomaniac freaks with purple eyes, who also rides fire breathing flying lizards decided to invade them.

#watch visenya plotting rhaenys's death with meria! #also rhaenys getting portrayed as an airhead #don't forget about aegon cheating on his wives with orys! #yeah i fucking hate that hbo is adapting my favourite characters #as if they haven’t butchered every single targaryens who were in hbo's adaptations #like sorry for assuming the worst #after what they did to dany you’d think hbo won't bother with targaryens since all targs are bound to be evil #but nooooo!!they gotta larp off dany's house #house targaryen #asoiaf #anti d&d #daenerys targaryen #aegon targaryen #aegon the conqueror #visenya targaryen #rhaenys targaryen #rhaenys the conqueror #pre asoiaf #game of thrones #house of the dragon

[decadentbutterflies]

No, it's about the brain rot of Sansa stans calling Dany evil and a colonizer etc. Or erasing/diminishing Sansa bullying Arya when we bring that up that she's not exactly kind, only when she wants to be.

Acting like Sansa is a perfect fit for a queen instead because she's kind and "everyone she touches becomes kinder" while she slowly poisons a child, her own cousin (she was even warned about how it hurts the boy) and then going "me and father have more important things to worry about", who's mother was murdered by the man she covers. Being classist...

You could argue that she does it out of fear (which I agree with except the feasts and classist behavior ofc). She is not "kind" like an average person would be. She isn't evil, but calling her kind and then acting like Dany isn't and calling Daenerys a tyrant is mind blowing. Dany personally feeds refugees and genuinely does her best to help people, while Miss Sansa throws feasts while the common folk is starving.

And the argument is... She killed slavers.. Oh noo, how dare she.

Also Sansa's bullying is another reason why people don't see her as kind (validly), but again people love to erase that and diminish it.

Or do even THIS lmao. I just knew there's going to be something "Arya is mean, Arya is bad" in the comments.

Yes, because Arya bullied her so much, like throwing peach on her after Sansa was her classist self (this was Arya's reply to Sansa saying "once she's the queen Arya will have to bow down to her" btw. she ain't becoming a follower like some fans wish for her to be).

She was bullied so much that she has trauma that she doesn't even believe when others tell her she's pretty. Sansa felt sooo out of place in Winterfell and lonely (not like she had any friends that followed with the bullying..) :'((

But thankfully we have Jon who's going to save her and marry her because he just LOVES the "waiting for someone to save her" type of girl! He can't stop talking about that kind of woman lmao.

Ofc. A Jonsa and Catelyn fan account lmao.

I can't make this sht up. That show should've never been made, I'm sorry, but it brought so many morons combining the show into the books and completely changed how fanon sees many of the characters.

#asoiaf #anti d&d #anti jonsa #arya stark #sansa stark #anti sansa stans #anti got

[jackoshadows]

Sometimes I recall what GOT did to the character of Daenerys Targaryen and I still can't wrap my mind around it. The single worst bit of character assassination I have ever seen in fictional media. I don't get it. They took the heroic protagonist who freed slaves and saved the realm from a zombie apocalypse and in the penultimate episode had her randomly slaughter thousands of innocent people FOR NO REASON!!

Cersei was already defeated, Daenerys already won, she got KL. The people of KL were not fighting against her like the slave masters or the Lannisters. And it's not even like the Mad King because even the Mad Kind only wanted to burn down KL with Wildfire because Tywin got through the gates and he wanted to take everyone down with him. Daenerys had NO REASON! They just wrote the protagonist of the series randomly massacre people in the penultimate episode for no reason - it's not madness, strategy or villainy! NO REASON.

It would be like if Tolkien did not finish LOTR and D&D got their hands on the adaptation (*shivers*) and there would be no Gollum and Frodo would end up not destroying the Ring and becoming a dark lord, the final big bad even more powerful than Sauron himself, to subvert expectations and surprise viewers...

Or if George Lucas stopped with The Empire Strikes Back and D&D finished the trilogy with The Return of the Jedi and Luke joins forces with Vader and Palpatine to subvert expectations....

And EVEN all of those endings would still have made more sense than Daenerys randomly massacring thousands... FOR NO REASON!!

#anti GOT #anti D&D #Daenerys Targaryen #I don't get it... #How did they look at the absolute shite they wrote and think that was ok? #How did the top folks at HBO look at this absolute shite and think it was okay? #and this garbage will be the only ending we will get because GRRM can't be bothered to finish a story he started 30 years ago

[rhaenin-time]

Maybe possibly controversial opinion but while Dany was definitely treated the worst in the adaptation, I don't think she was actually adapted the worst. Not in the earlier seasons at least.

I'm not saying she was adapted well even in those early seasons. Far from it. But she was adapted more accurately than Jon and Arya. Because they are honestly unrecognizable. I binged seasons 1-6 before reading the books and I honestly found them a little boring/too conventionally written. And then I pick up the books and it's like, "What? These two are amazing!"

asfdghadghoi The line that originally turned me off: "Most girls are idiots." Arya would never.

#asoiaf #game of throne #anti d&d #daenerys targeryan #jon snow #book jon snow #and #book Arya Stark #deserved so much better #Yes Bran was a mess later on but I'll give them a pass for the first few seasons for a variety of reasons #Tyrion... went downhill with every season because they kept SOFTENING him but he started off relatively promising

[fromtheseventhhell]

Northern Lords rallying for Arya aka "Valiant Ned's precious little girl" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jon and Sansa having to go door to door to ask for support like beggars

#arya stark #asoiaf #anti got #anti d&d #the downfall of GOT aka the Stark sister's are NOT interchangeable #the North remembers in the books...in the show the North has dementia #I hate that they reduced Arya's importance but I love that they did such a piss poor job of adapting that plot #Arya's right in the middle of the Northern plot in the books and the show barely even had a Northern plot lol #D&D being hacks who can't probably adapt a storyline /pretends to act shocked/

[atopvisenyashill]

it’s actually insane that in the show, when Arya & Sandor kill Polliver and Raff, it’s this big moment of Heroic Violence, where Arya says Lommy’s last words as she runs needle through Polliver’s neck, and you get that ~bad ass~ scene of her holding the coin with blood on her hands and saying “valar morghulis” in that “calm, cool, collected killer” voice

and meanwhile, in the books, it’s this awful moment where her anger, grief, trauma, and fear all collide and she’s just screaming and stabbing a dead man over and over until the Hound pulls her off. And then it’s hours of her taking care of the Hound, of realizing she’s feeling something akin to sympathy and fondness for Sandor, the guilt of not being able to recall Micah’s face, the pain that Sansa may be dead and Arya is now the last Stark, as she whispers valar morghulis and stomps out any and all sympathy she may feel for Sandor and decides to leave him to die.

Like they really. Just completely missed the point of that scene huh.

#i forgot how rough it was jeez #rani liveblogs asoiaf #anti d&d #anti game of thrones #arya stark

[wearenorth]

From time to time, I come across these snippets of GoT on my social media. So on another episode of how D&D tried to push over Sansa as this "righteous and smartest" character, despite being power-hungry and wanting the crown only for herself: 

a) In this scene, people who don't or can't fight hide safely in the crypts. While talking with Tyrion, Sansa decides to bring up Daenerys into conversation for no reason at all, which is followed by trying to talk sh*t about her. Then Missandei corrects Sansa.

b) In this scene, Missandei states facts as usual.

c) In this scene, Daenerys is again proven to be a good and caring person who helps others. "We'd all be dead already": Missandei would have died in slavery if not for Daenerys taking her into her care and freeing her. Tyrion would have drunk himself to death/would have died in slavery/would have been killed in Essos if not for Daenerys taking him into her service. The North, without Daenerys, would have no chance to stand against the Others; they all would be dead (including Sansa).

d) In this scene, Sansa says, "Divided loyalties would have become a problem." What "divided" loyalties? Prior to the dialogue that is shown here, Tyrion and Sansa were talking about their marriage. It's understandable that Sansa would want Tyrion to stay loyal to her, i.e., that Tyrion would have no other lovers. But Daenerys wasn't Tyrion's lover, and it's quite clear that none of them had any romantic feelings for each other. From the political side, Tyrion has sworn his loyalty to Daenerys and is one of her advisors. Jon Snow, who's the King, is at the top of the political hierarchy in the North (above Sansa too), bent the knee to Daenerys. This makes Daenerys Queen of the North. And the North and its people become Daenerys' subjects; this includes Sansa too. In no way is Sansa above Daenerys in the political hierarchy. In no way is Sansa equal to Daenerys in the political hierarchy. Sansa is below Daenerys in the political hierarchy.

So what "divided" loyalties is Sansa speaking about as if she's in an equal position with Daenerys? That Tyrion being a loyal advisor to Daenerys and a loyal husband to Sansa wouldn't go well with Sansa's desire to have the crown and rule over an "independent" North?

#anti sansa stark #anti d&d #anti got #anti stansas #anti sansa stans #anti game of thrones

[pessimisticpigeonsworld]

We can learn a lot about D&D from these two quotes. The fact that one is demonized and protrayed as a narcissist (falsely) while the other is adored and praised.

Daenerys, who D&D decided to portray as cruel and descending into insanity from season 5 on, is written as acknowledging her suffering. However, she says that she endured by finding strength in herself. This view of her past shows how she understands that, while without her circumstances she wouldn't be where she is today, she knows it was unnecessary and awful. Her motivation for most of the show is ensuring that what happened to her doesn't happen to anyone else.

Sansa, on the other hand, outright thanks her abusers. It's one thing to acknowledge how one's trauma shaped you, but it's another thing entirely to thank those who harmed you. By thanking Littlefinger, Ramsay, and others, Sansa is basically saying that her past self needed to suffer in order to become useful. It's D&D basically saying that femininity and women in general need to suffer in order to become "strong".

By choosing to contrast how Dany and Sansa view their pasts and deciding to make Sansa the one the audience is meant to root for, D&D are condemning Dany's idea. They are saying that women shouldn't credit themselves for enduring trauma, rather they should be thankful to their abusers.

This is just one example for how Dany is punished for being active in her life and actively rebelling against her "place" as a woman. Sansa is passive and only acts out when helped by men until the very end of the show, when she has "earned" her active role. Even in her final ending, she asks a man, her brother, to be given the North. Dany takes the lead in her life as soon as she is able, and, even when she's Drogo's bridal slave, she learns how to gain some semblance of power over her life.

Dany is punished by the GoT narrative for being a proactive woman and choosing to condemn rather than thank her abusers. Sansa is rewarded for her passivity and thankfulness to her abusers. This an just one example of the underlying sexism in the show.

#daenerys targaryen #game of thrones #anti d&d #anti game of thrones #anti show sansa #sansa stark critical

[daenerystargaryen06]

This is late 'cause I've been very busy and sick- but let's get into it.

I've seen so many comments like this one on Tik Tok, really terrible platform for comments like these to pop up since everyone likes spreading their hate for Dany on Daenerys edits/videos, especially on other comments that show support for Daenerys and uplift her. But this one in particular genuinely baffles me no, I won't blur the name out; this dude commented this on a public forum for everyone to see. Just don't send him hate or anything... even if this part of the fandom isn't as crazy as all the others.

'Drogon isn't as crazy as his slave master Dany'. Let's break this down, shall we? First point- Dany isn't a slave master, ESPECIALLY to Drogon. Dany was a bridal sex slave herself, in the show at the age of 16/17, in the books at the age of 13. She knows what it's like to be a slave, she was one herself, and due to her enslavement and the horrors she saw when wed to Drogo (his own people's violence against not only her but also the Lhazareen)- Daenerys wants equality for everyone. She breaks the chains from those enslaved in Astapor, Yunkai, and Meereen. She works to free these people from their sufferings and plight and give them agency to achieve freedom for themselves and no longer live under the cruelty of the Masters. In the show, she sets up a council of freedmen to govern themselves to rule the cities, and she ensures the Masters no longer remained a threat to her people before she left to Westeros. In the Books, she is currently struggling against the Masters and is facing many struggles, but she is still striving to ensure her people remain free and safe from the Masters without worry of cruelty and fear under the Masters for their own profit.

"There speaks one who has been neither." Dany's nostrils flared. "Do you know what it is like to be sold, squire? I do. My brother sold me to Khal Drogo for the promise of a golden crown. Well, Drogo crowned him in gold, though not as he had wished, and I . . . my sun-and-stars made a queen of me, but if he had been a different man, it might have been much otherwise. Do you think I have forgotten how it felt to be afraid?" -A Storm of Swords - Daenerys II

"He was too eloquent for her. Dany had no answer for him, only the raw feeling in her belly. "Slavery is not the same as rain," she insisted. "I have been rained on and I have been sold. It is not the same. No man wants to be owned." -A Dance with Dragons - Daenerys III

Even worse is that this comment refers to Dany as being DROGON's slave master. Drogon has never been considered a slave to Dany. He is her child, her son. Her dragons are her children. Dany has never regarded them as slaves, nor will she ever regard to them as such. Rhaegal and Viserion were chained because Drogon killed a child, and Dany feared her dragons would grow unruly and begin to kill more of her people, yet she also regrets this decision. She cries when she does this in the show. She reflects upon it and regrets it in the books. She will always care for and love her dragons, who she loves alike to a mother. She regards to them as her children and would never willingly harm them.

In the show and books, Dany struggles with Drogon making his own decisions. But she does not try to enforce him under her will like a Master would a slave. She wants him to listen, yes, but every mother wants their child to listen and behave. In the show, she never harms Drogon or forces him to submit, he WILLINGLY listens to her once she gains back her identity after burning the Khals in Vaes Dothrak and going against the Masters when she returns to Meereen. If he didn't wish to listen, he wouldn't have to, as he possesses a mind and will of his own which was already shown in seasons 4-5. In the books, she has to whip Drogon into submission, but it was not to enslave Drogon- it was to SAVE him and her people from death in the Fighting Pit when he comes and almost loses his life while burning the people around him. If not for her, Drogon would have died, and he attacks back at her as well within the Pit before he submits to her and allows her to ride upon him away from the violence that was occurring.

Calling Dany Drogon's slave master is alike to calling every other Targ before her slave masters to their dragons, when we know that isn't true, and Dany's connection to her dragons is actually very much different and runs deeper than that of her ancestors with their own dragons.

Now, on the topic of 'craziness', Dany is far from it. In the show, she only became 'crazy' in the very last few episodes of the last season, when the writers ruined her character all for their excuse to have Jon kill her since they couldn't even think up a better ending. Before that, are we just going to ignore the fact that Dany actually went against what her father had done, did things for the good of others and cared for those considered 'lesser', and saved basically all of Westeros when she allied with Jon and it was the majority of HER armies and dragons that fought against the WW and NK? She only went 'crazy' when the writers wanted her to, and even that I don't consider canon, due to the fact she was painted as a HERO before they assassinated her entire character and made her go off the deep end and even that I don't view as just 'crazy'.

In the books, she fears becoming like her father, she is compared most to Rhaegar (a character many in the books view as sane and heroic), and she reflects most upon her actions and questions her decisions made. She is a grey character at most, and even still, she is the one character that does the most good and selfless acts in the books compared to everyone else. She wants what is best for her people, she wants to make them happy and give them good lives, and she wants to be a good Queen who isn't just feared or violent to achieve what she wants. She forgoes Westeros to keep in Meereen for her people's safety. She works the hardest to attempt for peace with the Masters without bloodshed or acts of cruelty and she is compassionate, intelligent, and an empathetic woman. She sees suffering and instead of accepting it like everyone else in that world has, she works AGAINST it to save those who do suffer due to her own experiences of suffering and pain. She is, in all, a hero who wants to do good. That doesn't seem very 'crazy' or 'slave master' to me.

Someone should really pick up the books, but I fear that their reading comprehension would be just as bad as their comments on Tik Tok.

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[unknown-terrain]

It's wild to me how INCEST was just normalized on this godawful show — to the point that the showrunners/actors really EXPECTED us to see the Jaime & Cersei ending as ROMANTIC????? Like, no, that scene was ridiculous. A ceiling killed them. The only thing that evoked from me was laughter.

GRRM never paid show!Twincest any compliments either but instead reminded us how in the books they're effectively estranged. He did compliment show!J/B though by saying Gwendoline and Nikolaj had amazing chemistry together as Jaime and Brienne aka the couple he said he based on his favorite romance Beauty and the Beast and I think that's a pretty big deal. So we know which pairing GRRM is building up to be the true love one....something D&D failed to comprehend all because of their egos with bad taste.

Dumb & Dumber and HBO went above and beyond for years to try to encourage people to root for Twincest something that GRRM never does in ASOIAF. D&D completely missed the point of their relationship and because of their weird gross obsession with J/C, they turned the relationship into something else entirely....and still flopped. In the books the deterioration of their relationship was more compelling than whatever show tried to do. Till this day the majority of people still don't see that Twincest ceiling death as romantic....more like a waste of two characters and is infamously known as some of the worst writing ever. Considering how D&D went into hiding after S8, even they must know how much they fucked up. Anywho their little pro-Twincest experiment failed spectacularly. They were so out of touch their writing failed to consistently resonate with audiences on several different fronts not just the Twincest. I'm satisfied af at the backlash D&D/HBO got. Also very satisfied at how well loved Jaime/Brienne continues to be, like D&D wanted us to dislike that relationship but the people said nope, we're going to love them even more!

#jaime lannister #brienne of tarth #jaime x brienne #game of thrones #anti got #anti jaime x cersei #braime #grrm #asoiaf #anti d&d