#anti destiel shippers

[canonicallysoulmates]

Honestly the “j2 outrage” over the finale I’ve seen are all Hellers who are pissed there wasn’t even a mention of their favorite.

So then THEY go “well Sam wasn’t there so J2 stans mUSt bE So UPsEt. hA Ha hA!”

Meanwhile we weren’t expecting Sam to pop up AND he turns out to be Dean’s motivation to fight so…💅🏻

I've seen some of those reactions too and those...those do get a giggle out of me. They, for the millionth time, lied to themselves and each other before the thing even premiered that it was gonna give them their fav and make all their little ship fantasies come true- and then they got crushed once again

#anti hellers #anti destiel #anti destiel shippers #anti minions #anti castiel #anon #ask #noniwtv

[destiel-sucks-i-know-that-now]

This just in, according to @theamazingcashew, you idolize Jared if you disagree with Destiel shippers claiming he’s a homophobe without evidence.  So we’re supposed to just take a Destiel shipper’s word and say nothing?  Will that make people “good” Jared fans then?  LoL, I honestly don’t care about Jared or Jensen, they’re actors.  But I do care about outright lies, which was why I defended Jensen to the end of the earth when Destiel hellers went on a Jensen-is-a-homophobe spree of 2013.

#anti destiel #anti destiel shippers #theamazingcashew #rainywitt

[laf-outloud]

Just saw someone say destiel is a groundbreaking ship

How?

Let's say dean is bi and in love with Cas, and Destiel get into a relationship, and they are boyfriends and all that

How would that be groundbreaking?

The only thing groundbreaking about Destiel and its shippers is it's connection with the increase in toxic shipping and harassment towards real people.

Not to mention that other shows actually highlighted canon queer relationships long before SPN was ever on the scene. If anything, SPN was a powerhouse for having its core relationship be platonic life-partners instead of romantic partners.

#ask box #anti destiel #anti hellers #toxic shippers #spn is about sam and dean #platonic life partners

[wenellyb]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I feel that people who say stuff like this are straight up lying? Or is there some important piece of information I'm missing?

It's unbelievable to me that some people would like that non-canon ships like Stucky or any other non-canon ships paved the way for representation in modern media. Unbelievable.

Destiel, maybe, because of how big the fandom is/was but even Supernatural and even Destiel started out small and got popular because of the fandom and the ship(s).

I feel like people who saying they started shipping non-canon couples because their wasn't any LGBT representation in the media at the time aren't being genuine. I say that because before joining Tumblr, I didn't even know shipping non-canon couples was a thing (I had heard of Destiel, but it was more of a concept to me, even though I unironically watched SPN).

I feel that was they mean is that there wasn't any representation in popular shows or maybe they mean they weren't enough main characters. But otherwise there was!!!

These are just the one I can think of on the top of my head, but there are much more and there is en more if you go outside of the US. And these are just the shows.

If we add the movies... well!!!

You want romance with a Happy Ending?

You want Murder Mystery?

You want Drama?

There are so many many more and, yes these weren't blockbusters but it's not "no représentation and Stucky and Destiel were the only options"

Grey's Anatomy started out at the exact same time as Supernatural and now has over a dozen canon LGBT characters and half of them are/were main characters (Callie, Arizona, Amelia, Teddy, Yasuda, Helm)

When I joined Tumblr, I never even for a minute thought shipping was about representation or activism because there were so many shows and movies I knew but they were barely talked about on here.

Not criticizing ships by any means but I feel like people are trying to pretend that shipping is something it isn't.

In my humble opinion, non-canon ships were never about representation. Shipping was just shipping

I wasn't on Tumblr at the time, but I was on Youtube (old school) and to me, the people who were doing edits of the canon ships, in shows and movies were the real heroes.

Some people might say : "but those characters are side characters or weren't in major blockbusters/popular shows".

But fandoms could have decided to make them more popular if they wanted. Because believe it or not, Supernatural was a niche show at the beginning and I don't think it would have been as popular or gotten as many seasons without the shippers. They chose to make the non-canon couple (at the time) popular. So the fans could have done the same with shows that have canon LGBT characters But they didn't, they focused on non-canon couples.

I have no problem with shipping non-canon couples at all, I do it too, but I'm really surprised by people who want to make it seem like it's some kind of activism... It's not.

And I know there wasn't enough representation that's true, but why focus your energy on shows with absolutely no canon LGBT characters and pretend it's activism??

You guys could have had Noah's arc or Hit the Floor renewed and you focused your energy on Marvel characters.

And some people will say they ship Destiel anyway because they want fantasy and paranormal... Well does nobody remember Dante's Cove? Was it a fever dream😂? I admit the writing was bad, but have you seen the writing in Supernatural (I say this as a SPN fan)???

And I know some people will say they ship Marvel characters because they have a bigger audience and there were no canon Queer characters in blockbusters, but I feel like that a lie too because when there were indeed Queer characters in those blockbusters, they were ignored as well. Like in the Eternals.

Fandoms can be so powerful when they want to...they can make or break a movie, so acting like the focus on non canon couples was the only option surprises me.

Shipping is just about shipping. It's a hobby.

Stucky or any non-canon Marvel ship isn't "History", it's just a ship.

Last exemple: Let's take a look at 2 popular couples from the same franchise: 9-1-1 and 911: Lone Star. Only one of the couples in canon, but Can you Guess which one is more popular on Ao3 and on Tumblr ?

The non-canon couple!

Almost 3 Times as much fics for Buddie than TK x Carlos who are an actualcouple and even got married!

Shipping non-canon couples isn't about representation but about finding a story to fantasize about, which isn't bad itself but it's bad when you pretend shipping is something it isn't?

TL:DR: Shipping non-canon couples isn't activism imo.

I would be happy to hear tour thoughts because as I said, I only joined Tumblr later so I don't have all the info.

#anti stucky #not really anti but for filtering purposes and save people who don't want to read long rants in their tags #😂 #anti destiel #these are ships that I like #anti buddie #no hate to that ship... I love it it's just for the same reasons as before #tk x carlos #shipping is ok imo but we shippers have to be honest about what we are #hit the floor #noah's arc #dante's cove was probably a fever dream😭😭😭 #😂😂😂 #as always I'm open for discussion

[dean-winchesters-panties]

Hellers are still incest shippers, its just that theirs is symbolic instead of literal

#more at 11 #for the record: i dont dislike destiel but a bunch of the shippers have severe cases of stick up their asses #dean winchester #sam winchester #castiel #wincest #weirdcest #gencest #anti hellers

[jaredgirl]

why am i not surprised?

#this comment sums up d/c shippers pretty well #i don't know whether to laugh or be offended #i just don't get why someone would see a character as complex and fascinating as sam #and ignore him in favor over a crusty one-sided ship with no chemistry #but maybe that's just me #spn #anti destiel #<<< just to be safe

[clowndensation]

wait explain to me the destiel hatred i’m curious what abt it angers u that doesn’t apply to the other two ships

great question! the answer would unfortunately require 3 hours and a powerpoint presentation, so i will try to do a brief summary:

a ship sucking only ever has about 25% to do with the ship itself. destiel is bad in the sense that i think dean winchester is an annoying character that gets treated with kiddie gloves by the narrative, which makes him irritating to see on screen, because i personally dislike it when "men are angry and abusive because they just love too strongly, and don't know how to express it :(" is played straight as a character's primary internal conflict. especially over 15 seasons. it's boring, he's boring, and 35 year old men shouldn't be going to colleges trying to figure out which freshman girls are legal or not. hate him.

however the real sin of destiel, beyond the fact that dean winchester and i have beef that will only ever resolve when i get to reincarnate as the rusty nail that kills him, is that the fans are so so so fucking annoying. like yes the narrative frames dean as a golden boy who can either do no wrong, or "well, i guess he did wrong there, but what about how tortured he is :(" but good god. at least the show isn't trying to convince me that destiel is some groundbreaking lifechanging love story, complete with "omg this moment" montages where they romanticize scenes that feature dean either insulting, threatening, or humiliating cas. like this entire show (post season 5) is dean chronically either infantillizing and attempting to keep cas under his control, or holding him up as the only person he can rely on, thus giving cas expectations that are impossible to fulfill.

and don't get me wrong! people can like a shitty person and a fucked up ship. that's basically everything i enjoy on here. but at least like. acknowledge it. aldfkjalka. and if you're gonna like a shitty person and a fucked up ship, at least write about it in an interesting way. 90% of fic and posts written about destiel aren't even about destiel as presented in canon, they're about two generic men with generic personalities who suffer from the world's most generic tropey problems. cookie cutter ass basic relationship. the high school au of ships. boring.

#like johnlock is boring and moffat makes all his characters suck ass but whatever. sherlock will never be as bad as dean so i don't care #wincest's key flaw is that it's incest. which does make me uncomfortable to read! i don't care for it! #but once again. disliking a ship only has 25% to do with the ship itself. #i don't see wincest shippers telling me that wincest is groundbreaking queer cinema so at worst it's just a ship i prefer not to see #people mention destiel and i'm forced to ask: #'do you actually find the ship compelling or is jackles just a tall man with green eyes. answer quickly.' #while they shout about how sam is useless and shouldn't be in the show and how everything would be better if every character just did #as dean said and stopped disagreeing with him #like the absolute dissonance of people hating john winchester and then claiming dean is a good person. lol. lmao even. #anti destiel #destiel critical #<- trying to cover my bases here. this is all quite mean i realize #what you have to understand is that dean is my number 2 least favorite character of all time #this is as nice as i can get. there are drafts of this post where i'm meaner.

[humandisorderincarnatedean]

episode in which I dislike cas the most? oh easy it's the trap

#he calls dean stupid... mocks him for wanting to split up.. then starts venting about his problems to dean #while reinforcing that since he apologised already he doesn't give a shit about mary's death anymore. #and dean should be over it. and then suddenly he's kidnapped and im forced to watch dean give him a speech castiel absolutely doesnt deserv #ugh destiel shippers can have this episode I don't want it #anti castiel #for tagging purposes I guess. if anyone doesn't want to see this type of post #.txt

[mewmewgirl101]

ANTI DESTIEL SHIPPERS IF YOU DO NOT AGREE WITH ME DO NOT LEAVE I COMMET IF YOU LEAVE A MEAN HATEFUL OR NEGATIVE COMMENT IT WILL GET DELTED CAUSE I DONT NEED OR WANT YOUR NEGATIVELY. IF YOU LEAVE A NICE COMMENT I WILL GLADLY POST IT ON HERE WITH YOUR USERNAME WITH YOUR PERMISSION OF COURSE

Megstiel is the best ship even god agrees. But Crowley doesn’t want Castile to be happy cause he’s a demon and he hates angels

Megstiel is the best ship ever.cass wants revenge on Crowly.and if nattily knew cass was in love with meg we all know she would make cass kill meg over and over.after she came back I was like noooooooo I thought they killed the b****if they can bring that b**** back. Why couldn’t meg come back.love how her picked to stay at the hospital with Meg many times instead of going to heaven or with Dean. And looked at her with so much love when Dean and Sam came to Visit. Or how happy he was saw Meg and not Dean. in the empty but looked so broken when it wasn’t really her. And how kissing her was a good memory. And if they lived through getting the angel table have ordered pizza and moved furniture if you know what I mean and she loved him

I got a Very mean comment in the comments even though I put a lot of different ways to anti deastiel tags so i don’t get hate from people who do ship them. to show I don’t ship them. and lots of different types of pro megstiel tags and other tags to show ship megstiel hard.😡and I make it very clear I only ship megstiel so I don’t get hate about that either.I want to put something mean for people who deliberately leave hate. But I am lady

I hate When people leave mean comments and even though you put very specific tags so that doesn’t happen. But happens away Do they look it up just so they can be mean or something and leave a negative comment to make people feel bad. I would say some thing mean but as I said before I am a lady

😡😠

#supernatural #dean #castiel #misha collins #destiel sucks #destiel worst ship #only destiel hatters #destew #supernatural castiel x meg #meg #meg x castiel supernatural #supernatural misha collins #megstiel lovers #supernatural meg x castiel #only megstiel fans #castle x meg #meg x castiel #supernatural dean #supernatural jared padalecki #jensen ackles supernatural #supernatural jensen ackles #jared padalecki supernatural #hard Megstiel shippers #I ship Megstiel hard #anti deastiel #deastiel ew #eww destiel #destiel eww #no deastiel #destiel is the worst

[canonicallysoulmates]

Um... did destiel become Canon? :/

No, and because I know they love dubs no en español

#i'm guessing hellers are up to their usual bs and that's why i'm getting this question #anti destiel #anti destihellers #anti destiel shippers #anon #ask #noniwtv

[samanddeanloveeachothersomuch]

Why insert romance into one of the only shows that cherish platonic love more?

I talked to a respectful destiel shipper a couple of days ago and while they were completely respectful, there is one thing I can't understand for the life of me. Why does there have to be romance in everything? I am aroace which is probably part of it, but why can't platonic love exist? ( This isn't meant to be a dig at wincest shippers. I am very well aware you guys know the difference between fanon and canon and love the brother/soulmate/best friend/parent or adult child relationship of Sam and Dean just as much as I from a non-shipper point of view do.) Why does everyone have to kiss or have sex? Platonic love does exist and it baffles me that Dean and Cass can't just be friends even with Cass' goodbye scene. I guess I feel like they see romantic love in everything and it irks me a bit. Maybe destiel shippers are young? I'm 15 though so why would that be a factor? Is it more society's fault than anyone else's?

Why is there so much emphasis on romantic/sexual love and not a lot on platonic relationships? The one show that actually puts emphasis on a relationship that is platonic. The one show that has Sam and Dean choose each other over any romantic interest. The one show that has two brothers in a QPR. The one show that has a possible a-spec reading of one or both brothers. (I've only ever seen one for Dean but I'm sure there is one for Sam as well. ("Sex is sex and love is Sam." I love this quote so thank you to whoever wrote that.)) The one show that has Dean waiting for Sam in heaven because heaven isn't perfect without his brother. Why do they watch this show if they want a focus on romantic interests? I just think if they want a show about romance there are other shows available. Especially if you want representation. Why torture themselves when there is nothing there? ( I see the speech at the end as platonic but even if it was not it wouldn't change anything. At the most it's unrequited.)

Not to mention there are problems with wanting it in canon. ( Shipping it in fanon only is a whole other thing but while I'm sure there are destiel shippers who may do this I'm talking about ones who actually wanted it/saw it( from Dean's side) in canon.) The first problem is Dean canonically is straight. Plenty of evidence for that. The second thing is his love for Sam. Canonically they have left love interests and friends for each other. There is no way in canon that Dean doesn't dump Cass at some point even if Dean was bisexual. Dean could be literally any sexuality but if Sam existed and he was ever aware of it Cass would be fed to the wolves. Also, I don't even like Cass ( I'm a Sam-leaning bibro who is still mad at Cass for breaking Sam's wall and rendering Sam's sacrifice in season 5 meaningless by saying yes to Lucifer in season 11 and messing everything up.) but Cass is literally an angel. Angels are jerks and I think they got that from Chuck but they are also warriors meant to be in an army. I don't even like him, but I know it's a disservice to his character.

That being said shoutout to respectful destiel shippers. I can't say I understand but I thank you for being respectful because a lot of destiel shippers (hellers) are not.

#anti-destiel #anti-castiel #anti-cass #anti-cas #thank you respectful destiel shippers #why is romantic love important in a show that doesn't need it #samdean #the epic love story of sam and dean #sam and dean are platonic soulmates

[fallenfar]

When destiel shippers accuse wincest shippers of wanting to fuck our own siblings, because we happen to ship a fictional Sam and Dean, I always wonder if this means that these idiotic and pathetic destiel shippers are molesting their own pets. lol

#dean winchester #spn #supernatural #spn wank #insane destiel shippers #seriously are there any sane destiel fans? #or are you all antis?

[bisexualmultifandommess]

Anyone else actually feel their soul die a little when someone compares a really good canon gay ship to d*stiel lmao

#good fanon ships too but it’s worse when it’s compared to a canon relationship I feel #some people take one look at a ship that has two men being sweet and protective and caring to each other and call it the new d*stiel 💀 #saw people comparing merthur to d*stiel and laughed #like I don’t care if people ship in fanon because you can do what you want as long as you’re not harassing actors and non shippers #but canonically it’s quite a toxic friendship from both sides #anti destiel #destiew #supernatural #spn

[stagnantgrief]

he//ers stop having opinions on sam challenge!

#anti destiel #it's having no media literacy for me! #he's not a shipper babe. he's the main character.

[what-do-1000-swords-look-like]

*logs in and sees even more anti-destiel posts*

Must be a day ending in Y.

Here's the thing: ship what you want, don't ship, whatever. That's your right. You also can have opinions on said ships or not shipping something. But for the love of God, can we please stop misrepresenting supposed facts and outright lying? Just because you don't want to acknowledge something present in the show? Or because one of you is super obsessed with Jensen while at the same time hating him because he married someone else and didn't come to sweep you off of your feet because you're his supposed soulmate? (which btw, while very weird in general, what does that even have to do with destiel? why are you even weighing in when it's clear that you're only saying what YOU believe while trying to speak for him as if you two are a single unit? It's creepy and makes no sense. Keep your obsession in check, please)

Alright, let's get started:

1) Jensen's actual words:

Firstly, if you're going to quote someone and state their opinion on the matter as FACT, let's not only get the source right but also list it so people can see what the person had to say for themselves so they can not only get the actual facts but come to their own conclusions (critical thinking, remember?). It's literally a link you can put into the post from YouTube, it's not rocket science last I checked.

29:35 is where it starts

A woman asks when did Jensen know about Cas' "romantic, deep love" for Dean before 15x18. Meaning when he did know bts as an actor.

Jensen's answer: "I don't think Dean ever really knew until the very end there." -- not only does he not answer the question in its original form (and hey, it's a con, it's loud, tons of people there waiting for his answer, he probably wasn't prepared for this question, etc - so I get it, I'm not criticizing him, I'm just stating facts), he responds initially for Dean, not himself.

But in this initial answer, he even acknowledges what the woman just said. "Romantic, deep love" -> "I don't think Dean ever really knew until the very end there." LITERALLY RIGHT THERE - Dean didn't know it until it was said

No matter what comes after this from him, Jared, or even what Jensen has said at cons afterwards, his answer literally confirms what she just said, and that answer is what popped first into his mind.

Then, prepare to have your mind blown antis, he confirms it AGAIN: "In fact, I know he didn't, because I didn't play that." -> he played Dean as not knowing about Cas' "romantic, deep love"

Only then does he start to delve into talking about the term romantic with Jared interrupting. But he confirmed it TWICE with his own words. That doesn't nullify his opinion or his perspective on the relationship, but it does confirm that was the intention of the scene.

And again, the question was about when they knew bts about Cas' "romantic, deep love" for Dean, not what Dean felt, not what type of love Jensen considers it to be (or Jared), not whether romance was meant to be in the show or not. Through his own words, he confirms it. Twice. (watch it again)

2) Types of love:

I can't believe this is even a point some people have tried to make in attempting to invalidate the scene from 15x18 but it's 2023 and here we are.

Philia love is platonic/friendly love. (click on the links - since it was mentioned that Cas only has angelic/heavenly/brotherly love for Dean and Castiel's angel character is loosely based on Christian traditions, I chose the same Christian perspective in these links) Storge love is the love of family or brotherly love.

Agape love is NOT brotherly love. (if you're going to use these terms and claim you're an expert, perhaps learn what they mean first?) Agape love is a God-like love of humans, completely unfathomable.

All of this is easily searchable. Google is your friend.

Now agape is the closest to what Jensen says later in that panel (though it changes to philia mixed with storge in a later con) though he did not use that specific term. However:

The scene was written and performed with romantic intentions from Castiel's side. This is confirmed time and time again.

And since a lot of anti-Destielers tend to be anti Misha as well (and accuse him of placating, lying, and being downright manipulative when it comes to this topic), here are some other confirmations:

The script is available online (again, Google is your friend) and you can read it for yourself. Robert Berens, the screenwriter, wrote the script (and it was greenlit by Andrew Dabb, the showrunner, and kept in the episode with the network, Singer, and WB giving it the green light after reviewing it before it aired) with Castiel's confessing his romantic love for Dean. It's right there.

If it's not romantic, then why can't Dean "recriprocate"? Why is he shocked at the "declaration from his best friend"? Why is it Cas' "hidden truth"? If it's just platonic from Cas' side or familial or even a God-like love of a human then why all of these factors mentioned in the script to help guide Jensen and Misha in performing the scene? You know why. And one of these antis is the supposed acting expert in the fandom? Puhlease.

How's that for "script analysis"?

Not to mention, since it's clear these same antis don't know a thing about writing and how it actually works, why was this scene a part of Castiel's arc that connects back to his arc in season 15?

3:49 - "I know who you love"

Yep, they weren't planning the confession back then, but when the showrunner and the writing team did start planning the end of the character's journey going into season 15, this ties up Castiel's arc neatly and it's perfect foreshadowing. Right down to The Empty's involvement. And they tied it up this way why? To make sense with events that came before it so a visible narrative is present for this character's journey as well as showing his development. (that's literally writing 101 btw)

There's a shit ton more I could throw into this post but I think I've made my point. So the next time antis decide to sit there and scold people who ship/celebrate Destiel and tell them that they don't understand "script analysis" like you do or how dare they twist Castiel's love for Dean into something it's not because you're playing megaphone-turned-into-a-wannabe-parrot for Jensen (aka your point of unhealthy fixation) because Castiel only meant it as an angel, perhaps don't. Or at least look up the facts first before you spout off any of that nonsense. You've had no problem saying Jensen needs to take an acting lesson or two because he's basic and dilutes his characters while also having one note acting, so maybe you should take a writing lesson or two. 🤷‍♂️ Seems fair.

Think whatever you want about Dean and how he regards Castiel's romantic confession, or how Jensen sees it, or whatever you need to tell yourself since it was left ambiguous, but don't you dare sit there and tell people they're wrong for reading Castiel's love the way it was written, performed, and intended to be perceived -> romantic. Or imply that they lack a basic understanding of love, condescend to them to have to explain it to them as if they're idiots, and falsely accuse them of maliciously twisting your fantasy beloved's Jensen's words. Especially when it's very easily proven that the only ones in the wrong here are you, and this is very clearly a "you" issue.

It happened.

It was romantic.

Get over it.

#you've got some nerve scolding people #script analysis my ass #what a way to insult not only fans but also everyone who worked on that show INCLUDING JENSEN #destiel #deancas #dean x cas #spnposts #spn #destielposts #they always tell destiel shippers to get over it and the show's not changing when it comes to dean #same goes for them when it comes to cas #cas loves dean #antis need to gtfo it already #anti antis #writers and actors seriously do not get enough credit #it was true even before the strikes #imagine being so caught up in your fantasy of Jensen that you willfully act like a bullying asshole to fans on his behalf #over something that's been done for 3 years #couldn't be me #anti hologramcowboy

[echoing-oursong]

Ya know what I’m gonna make one more post about this. The thing that I don’t get about people shipping will and Mike together is the fact that they are so ready to admit that Will gets treated badly. Specifically by Mike. And it makes me kind of confused cuz ummm why would Mike treat Will differently if he is in a relationship with Will? If Mike and Will are already friends and you’re so ready to say that Mike is ignoring Will. What makes you think that it will be different? It’s just why can you guys say that as friends Will’s being treated badly but the second anyone says that they don’t like the ship you’re ready to smash us over the head?!!?! It’s just why are you so willing to go to threat levels when you don’t even like their friendship that much? When the only thing you can talk about is Mike treating Will badly because of his repressed feelings for Will when the repressed feelings aren’t even canon! So why if you don’t even like their friendship would you actually ship it? And ship so aggressively to a degree that you make other people feel unsafe? Even if the ship is supposedly about being queer and being represented in media.

#stranger things #anti byler #i hate aggressive byler people! #the fact that fandom has just turned queer rep into ‘yay we have queer rep’ is disgusting #it isn’t about the queer rep: it’s about you feeling like your owed something #it’s about you actually hearing people who are queer say that they don’t want this ship to happen because they don’t agree with it #it’s about y’all hearing them and then shaking they hate gay people just because they don’t like a ship #it’s awful and disgusting #stranger things fandom #y’all are as bad as destiel shippers