#anti endgame steve

[faeriecap]

yeah tbh i cannot not see rebecca not ripping out his throat if she found out about this… marvel how the hell do you fuck up SO BAD like even IF that steve rescued that bucky it stands to reason it’s not “his” bucky at all and like.... why would he choose to help some random alternate bucky to staying behind and helping his ACTUAL best friend whom he RISKED DEATH AND STARTING A WAR FOR gOD i am so mad

#like ofc that timelines bucky doesn’t deserve anything he’s going through and needs help too but HES NOT STEVES BUCKY??? #BUCKY WAS STEVES BUCKY !!!!! #feels weird they think steve would go back to save a potential stranger at the expense of his own best friend he’d gone to the world n back #for thag is if he EVEN DID ANYTHING FOR ALT!BUCKY (doubtful) #i speak #steeb #bucket #becca <3 #steve rogers #bucky barnes #rebecca barnes #anti endgame #anti endgame steve #marvel #mcu #captain america #endgame #avengers endgame

[steveandbuckysdaughter]

Hi, again. 👋

I found the post you were talking about. The stan's account was deactivated, but yeesh. 😬 Nice replies to them, btw.

The stan that bashed on me said I was being misogynistic, even though I'm a black woman who just wanted to see another black character get their chance to shine.

Hell, it's not just the shows and movies (I think this all started with Endgame). It's also the Steve Rogers musical too. I don't know if you know about it, but Disney made the musical real, and it really did Sam and Bucky dirty.

Sam isn't even in it. Maybe he was mentioned once, but the musical showed an image of Sam as Captain America. As for Bucky, his scene from CA:TFA, where he saved pre-serum Steve, was given to Peggy instead. Bucky was mentioned once, and the musical tried to justify Steve's ending from Endgame. All for this ship.

And, frankly, I don't hate Peggy, I'm just more annoyed that other characters get shoved aside as well as this great dynamic that Steve and Bucky had, while she and her ship with Steve has been getting propped up more and more. But, seeing some of your and the others' posts, I get why you guys don't like her.

Girl, don’t get me started on the abomination that was Rogers the musical. It could have been glorious, it had so much potential, but once again Bucky’s role in Steve’s story was given to Peggy, and Sam wasn’t even there!

I feel like Marvel feels the need to tone down Stucky or their friendship overall because it was just too powerful. We all remember the hashtag that begged Marvel to make Stucky Canon, #givecaptainamericaaboyfriend. They just couldn’t let it happen, not to a main and important character like Steve, god forbid. And so ever since civil war Stucky has always had little to no scenes together no matter how well established it was in previous projects. All their scenes and dynamic were given to Peggy, their friendship was toned down, Steve’s whole ending happened. It just feels like Stucky is so menacing to Marvel that the only way to stop us is by destroying Steve, Bucky and their relationship.

I mean, Steve is given no justice in his ending and in all the other projects he appeared in. Bucky went from a victim and prisoner of war to someone who must make amends for things that were beyond his control. And the depth of their friendship was toned down and reduced every time Peggy was involved. And then they wonder why many people in the fandom dislike Peggy or why the whole Rogers the musical initiative flopped the second it went beyond Hawkeye.

Like, even if you don’t ship Stucky you can tell that they care for each other, and you can tell there was a shift after people actually wanted Marvel to take action and do something about this dynamic. Steve can’t get even one episode as his own character because Peggy must be there. Bucky had more luck, but still… and let’s not even talk about Sam, his only appearance was as a zombie!

In another post of mine I ranted about how bothered I was that Peggy was inserted in the 1602 storyline, and i haven’t changed my mind. It would have been so nice to give Steve one episode about himself, about his dynamic with his best friend and about the relationship with himself and his fellow avengers. But no, Peggy must be there too, and for no good reason as well.

I feel like Marvel trying to erase pre-existing relationships to have Peggy shine only results in fans turning their back on Marvel and hiding in fanfiction or whatever piece of media that can actually bring justice to the characters. Once someone on Tumblr said “you gave us the characters, but once you mess them up they’re not yours anymore. You don’t understand and respect them, therefore you don’t deserve them.” and I couldn’t agree more, which is why I am currently reading and writing fanfiction rather than buying into everything marvel gives us.

Peggy was the love interest with more screen time even before what if and all that jazz, she had her own show! And I fear that the day Marvel will realize that pushing a reimagined Nazi turned Mary Sue into every single what if episode where she can fit instead of enhancing the characters that are actually relevant in-universe it will be too late.

Sorry about the rant, I get carried away when it’s about my boys lol

#Steve rogers #pro Steve rogers #anti endgame steve #bucky barnes #pro bucky barnes #stucky #pro stucky #steve x bucky #anti peggy carter #anti steggy #marvel critical #mcu critical #what if #sam wilson #pro Sam Wilson #sam wilson is Captain America

[imposterogers]

like. regardless of any shipping aspects or whatever steve saying "I'm with you til the end of the line" is literally what broke bucky out of 70 (!!) years of brainwashing. with one fucking line. steve went up against the UN, the whole fucking world for bucky. their friendship is on a whole new level, the depths of it is just beyond, y'know? and then all of a sudden that bond means nothing?? bc of peggy?? who died of old age like 8 years before?? yeah, no. it had zero to do with shipping, and everything to do with the abysmal writing.

"bucky was happy for his friend" did we watch the same scene? babe was holding back tears when he was saying goodbye. and then in the fatws launched himself into a spiral of depression, self hatred, and intense loneliness. can u imagine if your friend is ho told you hundreds of times "only death will keep me from your side" and you finally believed him, but the one time you actually desperately needed him to be there he left? when you were at your most broken? bucky's self worth was already so low, but he was finally starting to trust (around civil war) that steve wouldn't leave him. not because of the winter soldier, or their years apart, or anything in between. that they'd face this new future together like they'd promised on the streets of brooklyn. people are always like 'well bucky could have asked him to stay' oh i'm sorry, you're going to ask someone who made it explicitly clear that his happy ending doesn't include you to stay? sure

#bucky babe i'm so sorry #bucky barnes #anti endgame #anti endgame steve

[juniaships]

Buzz Lightyear was a better hero than steve rogers in endgame.

#anti endgame #not my captain #anti endgame steve #buzz lightyear #lightyear 2022 #toy story #anti mcu #disney

[gritsandbrits]

I can't believe star lord turned out to be a better hero than steve.

#gotg 3 spoilers #anti endgame #anti endgame steve #not my captain #mcu salt

[levelofyoureye]

lmao so i was just going through my camera roll and clearing some photos out, when i stumbled across this screenshot i took in january of 2020 and…

i’m in shock. i literally don’t know how i forgot this happened, like i was actually astounded when i found this. NEVER forget when steve rogers’ ending was so horrifically out-of character that SEBASTIAN STAN HIMSELF posted a screenshot to instagram of a tweet dogging on his ending. it’s been years and i still haven’t forgiven marvel. i don’t think i ever will.

#he was so insane for this BUT HE WAS REAL!!! #can we make together until the end of the lie happen #russo brothers i’m in your walls #anti endgame #stucky #stevebucky #marvel #mcu #sebastian stan #bucky barnes #steve rogers #captain america

[lavenderpanic]

There is no universe in which Steve went back in time and, instead of freeing Bucky or Isaiah or exposing HYDRA, he chose to marry Peggy and live a quiet life and ignore everything he found out about in the 21st century

#bucky barnes #steve rogers #stucky #marvel fanfiction #catws #stevebucky #endgame isn’t canon #anti endgame

[buckymilf]

friendly reminder that steve rogers was a victim of bad writing and weird self insert coming from creepy writers, he would never chose to abandon bucky and his found family, he would never chose to live in the past for no woman.

#endgame critical #anti endgame #skrull steve #Steve rogers #mcu critical #bucky barnes #stucky

[luna-rainbow]

On Steve Rogers, loss, and loneliness

Unlike some of the other characters, Steve's hurt isn't as plain to the eye. His demeanour is usually one of stoicism and optimism, and it is easy to forget that his story is steeped in loss and loneliness.

Steve's introduction highlighted how alone he was - an orphan, armed with a list of ailments, and hiding behind a newspaper to avoid small chat with other recruits. When rejected by the recruitment centre, Steve shrugs and heads to watch a movie - alone.

Steve is a loner, we are shown, and then just as abruptly - perhaps just like the way it had happened many years ago - Bucky crashes into Steve's world and hooks an arm around his shoulders and noisily talks about an expo and dispels all of Steve's melancholic air. Steve is a loner, except for Bucky.

But Bucky is now leaving to go to war.

Steve is used to being stoic, because there were no adults around him to spoil him. He is used to being buoyant, because Sarah taught him how to pick himself up and carry on. Steve is used facing the empty house and lonely silence -- except for Bucky, who filled his room with chatter, "We can put the couch cushions on the floor, like when we were kids."

So when we hear the anxious strain in his voice as he is informed by Bucky that he is leaving -- it also becomes plain that Steve is also used to loss, or the threat of loss shadowing him, everyday.

In his short life, he has already lost so much. He has lost his health (my thought is he was probably healthier in his early childhood until he caught scarlet fever, and then his health got a lot worse after that). He has lost his father, and all the security of having a family breadwinner. He has lost his mother - to long hours of work and eventually to the disease she was battling against.

What he dreads would happen, does happen. Life seems to have a way of chasing him down like that. Sarah gets sick, and his fear of coming home to find her gone...one day inevitably comes true.

At his darkest moment, Bucky squeezes his shoulder and promises, "You don't have to do it (alone). I'm with you to the end of the line."

It's just enough for Steve to square his shoulders and push on, as Sarah had always taught him to do. Deep inside - possibly buried so deep that he can barely put it into words, he knows that he pulled through because "Even when I had nothing, I had Bucky."

I'm going to pause here and emphasise how deeply lonely (and young) Steve was, and how, naturally, the only stable presence — ie Bucky — in his life, through periods of terrible grief and uncertainty, is going to be such a deep-rooted emotional foundation for him (regardless of how you ship).

When the draft does come for Bucky, it's not just Bucky who's unhappy, it's Steve who's also aghast. Suddenly, the possibility of losing his last bastion looms over him, and he remembers the fear and anxiety and the devastating grief of losing Sarah. But it is also a war that needs fighting - so he comes up with a solution: sign himself up. He can't keep Bucky from the war, but he wants to fight alongside him. Besides Bucky, what else does he have to lose?

"Men are laying down their lives, I have no right to do any less. That's what you don't understand, Bucky."

He says this angrily, because the words he can't say aloud are, "You are laying down your life, Bucky, and I might never see you again, and I can't go through all that again, not by myself."

When he hears about the 107th being captured, he has to go. He is saving Bucky, sure, but he is also saving himself, because the pillar, the lifebuoy, the harness that has kept him afloat all those years is Bucky, and he's terrified of sinking.

The serum makes him taller and more women pause to smile at him, but he is still incredibly alone. He sits alone during break, he draws alone in his book, he runs off alone and none of the USO girls even notices until it's his turn on stage.

But Bucky notices him immediately, and says, "I thought you were smaller," and, "Did it hurt?"

Steve doesn't really believe in miracles. His whole life feels like one bad luck after another, even if he forces one foot in front of another and keeps marching on. But maybe at that moment, he feels like Bucky is his miracle. Bucky, who always seems to notice when he's alone and pulls him into his social circle. Bucky, who had seen him lose his dad and Sarah and promised him the end of the line. Bucky, who he - and all the commanders - thought was dead, pulls through and gives him another promise - that he would follow the little guy back into war.

When Steve is finally thrust into the frontline, the losses keeps mounting, man after man are falling, condolence letter after letter is being written. And then towards the end of 1944, the tides seem to finally turn. German forces are waning, the Allied forces are advancing, and quietly, secretly, Steve dreams of home.

And that dream dies with Bucky.

"Honour the dignity of his choice," he is told, but he can't shake off the guilt.

He pushes himself forward, step by dragging step. Nazi Germany is falling. He is taking down Hydra with his own hands…and at the end, he buries them all in the ocean with himself.

His is sinking, but he isn’t afraid, because he is going where all the people who mattered are waiting.

And he is denied even that.

He opens his eyes to a world he doesn’t recognise. They tell him they had won the war.

But no one wants to speak with him about what was lost.

A folder of old photos, the museum of unmoving murals, the silent movies of a smile he would never see again.

He thought he had lost all there was to lose, but somehow life always seem to find something else to take.

What we see of off-duty Steve in the modern world is once again a figure of loneliness. He goes to the gym alone, he goes for a ride on the train alone, he sits at the cafe alone, he goes for runs alone, he goes to the museum alone.

Only during those solitary moments he could truly be Steve Rogers, instead of trying to meet everyone's expectations of Captain America. He is just shy of 27 years old, but suddenly, he can no longer lay claim to youth. Only a dream ago he was "just a kid from Brooklyn", and now he's an "old-fashioned" (as per Coulson) "older fellow" (as per Tony).

He's in the history books, he's on the television, he's in the classrooms; everyone knows of Captain America, but Steve Rogers is lost.

He had been willing to lose his life on the Valkyrie, but what he lost was every living connection and his own identity.

"Must have freaked you out, coming home after the whole defrosting thing," the friendly man says to him on their first meeting, but Sam only knows half of it.

The too soft bed and the too quiet room is one thing, the unshakeable nightmares another, but the worst of it is -- this isn't home.

He is marooned in a place that bears eerie resemblance to the world he knew, without being familiar.

Until the moment Bucky's mask comes off.

It's like the anchor dropping. He's now got a connection tethering him to this strange place, someone with "shared experience" that means he is no longer alone, and he is no longer a ghost forgotten by the seventy years of lost time.

"He doesn't know you."

"He will."

He has to believe that Bucky will, because Bucky is proof that Steve Rogers exists.

And once again, Bucky is his miracle. On the brink of killing them both, Bucky reels back from his brainwashing and hauls them both to safety.

Even if Bucky leaves after that, he's left behind something Steve hasn't had for a long time -- hope, and belonging.

"Family, stability. The guy who wanted all that went in the ice seventy-five years ago," he says to Tony as he prepares to meet the ragged team of enhanced people that is to become the Avengers. "I'm home."

Stoic and buoyant as he has always been, Steve sets to work building that home for himself. Gradually, we see Steve open up. He forms new connections and new friendships, he talks about his vulnerabilities with people he trusts, and he reclaims his own identity. He looks for Bucky, and waits until Bucky is ready to build that home for himself.

Until it is once again blown apart by the end of Infinity War - he loses not just Bucky, the anchor to his past, but the new family he has made apart from Natasha.

That's why it makes sense that Steve, not Tony, is the one working so hard to reverse the Snap. His family was 5 years ago, Tony's family is now. The people who rallied behind Steve and not Captain America, the people who followed him after he dropped the shield, the people with whom he no longer needed to be endlessly lonely and tirelessly stoic and who loved him for who Steve Rogers was, they all vanished in the Snap.

So even if there was only a small hope, Steve wants them back.

And that's why his decision to leave everything he had built, the sacrifices he had made to bring them back, in order to go into a life of incredibly loneliness and deception is still the dumbest narrative faux pas in the MCU.

#steve rogers #steve rogers meta #bucky barnes #stucky #stucky meta #long post #this got away from me and is super long sorry #anti endgame #as always

[six-demon-bag]

🎶 hello darkness my old friend 🎶

#buckyposting #bucky barnes #saddest boi #winter soldier #captain america: civil war #tfatws #the falcon and the winter soldier #captain america: the winter soldier #avengers: endgame #anti endgame #fake steve #mcu textpost #sixdemon textpost

[faeriecap]

as garbage as civil war was, it really set up steves disillusionment with cap and his lack of need for the mantle, SHIELD, hell even the actual shield, leading into infinity war and endgame and that would have been the perfect time to focus on developing sams character as the new captain america for more than a three second scene instead of. groot fortnite dancing and taco bell or whatever

#i respect the path fatws took re sam processing the receipt of the shield and it’s implications for him etc #but i felt bad it had to be so rushed and crammed in around all the other plot involving the flag smashers walker bucky’s therapy #plus eli n isaiah AND his family stuff with sarah and the boys #basically what i’m saying is i just wanted all of that AND more starting earlier in the mcu #it should not have taken almost a decade to explore sams character im sorry! i love that he’s part of the next phase of the avengers #but the FALCON was part of the original phase too not that you’d know it from how they sidelined him :/ #i speak #captain america #steeb #sammich #sam wilson #steve rogers #anti endgame #anti mcu #anti endgame steve #sam!cap #avengers endgame #endgame #cacw #captain america civil war

[steveandbuckysdaughter]

Stucky isn't the only of Steve's relationships screwed over by Steggy. The same is true of Romanogers. @captainwidowspring actually better explains this in one of her posts, but Natasha was arguably killed off in Endgame because her being alive would've gotten in the way of the Russos' planned Steggy ending.

Tbh I’m not really invested in Romanogers or am a shipper because I am more of a platonic Romanogers girlie, but it wouldn’t surprise me to learn that yet another poor writing choice in Endgame was written to promote Steggy/a happy ending for Steve according to the convenient Marvel Standards.

And while I completely think that between Clint and Nat it should’ve been her, I’m not sure whether the circumstances etc were actually well written.

I tend to focus on the mistreatment of Steve’s character because it’s my biggest pet peeve in Endgame, but there’s so many other things I actually didn’t like that listing them would make this post a 274 pages long essay. One of them is the whole time travel storyline, considering it fucks up what AoS has established, and that in the comics the avengers discarded the option because it was stupid, so I’m wrinkling my nose at that one too.

But oh well, it’s been years since I last watched Endgame and I’m not planning on rewatching it any time soon, so to be sure let’s just say Fuck Endgame and all the failures it brought. Many arcs were destroyed (Steve and the whole catalyst it brought), many characters under used or shamed for having trauma (I’m looking at you, unnecessary failed comical Fat Thor storyline🖕🏻) and the list goes on. I’m not even sure for why people actually like the movie besides the big portal scene.

#steve rogers #natasha romanoff #Romanogers #platonic Romanogers #anti steggy #anti endgame #MCU critical #anti endgame Steve #fuck Steve’s ending #asks #Ross rants

[imposterogers]

Hi, me again! I was going through your Peggy Carter posts and I kinda skimmed through but you said that she hired nazis/hydra scientists to work for SHIELD? I don’t get it, why would she do that? It makes Steve Rogers going back in time to be with her even more confusing cuz he knew she worked alongside his enemies AND the monsters who tortured/brainwashed his best friend??

this is a delicate subject bc whenever I talk about peggy I get a flood of "you're just a misogynist" in my inbox, and when I was younger I really did like her (and if you or anyone else does there's no issues in that everyone has their problematic faves) BUT she is involved with some shady things.

so operation paperclip was a very real US intelligence program where over 1000 n*zis were recruited to work. in the mcu it is also canon, except shield (which peggy and howard oversaw) took part in it

arnin zola (the man who experimented on bucky and helped orchestrate hydra's infiltration) worked very closely for shield

zola (who at the time was also "creating" and perfecting the winter soldier) worked closely with howard stark at camp lehigh. there has been fandom speculation (tho no confirmation) that given their clearance levels, and surveillance footage, howard and peggy were most likely aware of the winter soldier's identity.

so uhhhh yah. his ending looks bad from pretty much any angle

#fandom discourse #anti peggy carter #anti endgame steve #anti howard stark #no one come for me pls lmaoooo I don't have any fight in me tonight plus i'm just stating facts !!!!!! #and I have reciepts ok #the winter soldier #tw nazi mention #check notes for more info

[juniaships]

You could say Lightyear is also rebuttal to TS4, instead of buzz leaving to go back in time like woody went back to bo instead of moving on

but im willing to give bo and woody a pass cuz at least they didn't ruin a whole bunch of people's lives unlike the selfish ol' geezer mhmm

#anti endgame steve #anti endgame #lightyear 2022

[gritsandbrits]

Sooo…you’re not a fan of Avengers Endgame Steve?

Yes I am not a fan of that geezer! Keep in mind bro really went back to marry Peggy who, at that point, already moved with her life. Instead of staying in the present with his current friends/family he decided to take Peggy's with no regard to her feelings, nor Sharon's for that matter. At least in Lightyear Zurg is rightfully in the wrong for attempting a similar action (and drives home the point Buzz and Buzz ALONE is responsible for his life choices)

#gb asks #anti endgame steve #lightyear 2022

[alwaysquestioneverything]

Fic writers, if you're worried that the way you're writing your characters is out of character, remember that the MCU did the ultimate OOC move when they had the guy who said this:

and this:

leave his BFF — who he'd lost for five years and only just got back, and who was that someone with the most shared life experience — and other friends and found family to go back to the past to live that white picket fence life.

#fanfic writing #fanfiction writing #fanfiction #fanfics #mcu #marvel cinematic universe #anti endgame #steve rogers #captain america