#anti gywnriel

[elrielffs]

“So much would have to happen for Elriel to be together!”

Yah, it’s called a plot babes.

#elriel #sjm #acotar #anti elucien #anti gywnriel #elain archeron #sarah j maas #azriel

[theseeingfawn]

Someone on the subreddit asked why people dislike the lightsinger theory so much, and boy, is it a hot mess. Gwynriels are trying to discredit all the foreshadowing and canon. Then, someone accused OP of being a Trojan horse 🤣 and asking the question just to start drama even though they seemed sincere. I cannot with these people.

I consider myself pretty open-minded when it comes to foreshadowing and theories. I'd even call myself a multi shipper. I have read plenty of fanfiction on other ships. But, I can not get behind how many Gwynriels throw canon out the window and willfully ignore obvious foreshadowing. The reason I ship Elriel more than any other ship is because I am loyal to canon. I let the text sail my ships, baby. I prioritize the authors intent over who I think will be cute together.

It's not Elriel's fault that Gwynriels lack the nuance to see how Gwyn and Az can work if she is a lightsinger. Elriels are not being petty for picking up what SJM is putting down. I mean, the foreshadowing is not subtle people. It's OBVIOUS!

Lastly, if your conclusion is that Gwyn can only be evil if she is a lightsinger, then you lack imagination. If your ship is so fragile, you can't reconcile foreshadowing and canon with your fanon that's on you.

#elriel #antigwynriel #anti gywnriel

[nightcourtreader]

ACOSF Interactions/connections without the bonus chapter. Elriel vs gwynriel.

Elriel

• “Because of the shit with Elain?” Azriel stilled. “What happened to Elain?” Cassian waved a hand. “A fight with Nesta. Don’t bring it up,” he warned when Azriel’s eyes darkened. Cassian blew out a breath. (Page 221)

• Azriel stiffened, an outright sign of temper from him as he said quietly, “there is an innate darkness to the dread trove that Elain should not be exposed to.” (Page 311)

•She threw a nod towards Azriel. “including Elain, who is more than capable of defending herself against the darkness of the trove, if she chooses to. don’t underestimate her.” (Pg 311)

• she said nodding to Cassian, and then, a bit more shyly to Azriel. Azriel offered her a small smile that Elain quickly looked away from. Cassian tucked away his puzzlement. (Pg 467)

•Then his gaze shifted to Elain, and though it was utterly neutral, something charged went through it. Between them. Elain’s breath caught slightly, and she gave him a shallow nod of greeting before brushing past. (Pg 597)

How is there any Elriel build up in acosf when they didn’t even talk to each other in the entirety of the book without the bonus chapter? All they did was look at each other. Azriel himself has been avoiding elain the entirety of the book, that was HIS choice. No one told him to do that. But they’re suppose to be endgame?

Gwynriel

•Gwyn had been distracted today—one eye on the other side of the ring. Cassian could only assume she was watching his brother, who had given Gwyn a small smile of greeting upon arrival. Gwyn hadn’t return it. Cassian cursed himself for a fool. He should have asked her if she’d be comfortable with Azriel here. Perhaps he should have asked all the priestesses about including another male, but especially Gwyn—whom Azriel had found that day in Sangravah. (Pg 406)

• She said nothing about it during the lesson. Only glanced every now and then toward Az, who remained dutifully focused on his charges. Cassian couldn’t read the expression on her face. (Pg 406)

* Gwyn let out a high pitched noise that was nothing but pure excitement. Azriel, on the other side of the ring with the rest of the priestesses, half turned at the sound, brows high. (pg 464)

* Gwyn snickered, her attention fixed on thing a length of white silk ribbon to a wood beam jutting from the side of the pit. Neither the ribbon nor the beam had been there a week ago, and Nesta had no idea how they’d even anchored the wood into the stone, but there it was. (Page 513)

I added this because it only makes sense that Azriel anchored the beam for them while Cassian was gone.

* “Done.” Gwyn declared, the white ribbon fluttering in the wind where it hung from the beam. Behind them, a few of the priestesses working with Azriel had turned to see what the ribbon business was about. The shadowsinger crossed his arms, angling his head, but remained in his half of the ring. (Page 514)

* But Cassian cleared this throat. “Explain,” he ordered Gwyn. Gwyn squared her shoulders. “This is the Valkyrie test for whether your training is complete and you’re ready for battle: cut the ribbon in half.” Emerie snorted. “What?” Cassian made a contemplative noise, gesturing to the other half of the ring. “Az told me you also started preliminary work with the steel blades while we were gone.” He nodded to Gwyn and Emerie, the former glancing toward Azriel, who watched in silence. “So show me what you learned. Cut the ribbon in two.” (pg 514)

* “We slice the ribbon in two,” Emerie asked Gwyn warily, “and our training is complete?” Gwyn again glanced to Azriel, who drifted closer. She said, “I’m not entirely sure.” (pg 514-515)

* Azriel had winnowed her and Cassian here after training, but hadn’t lingered. Apparently, Gwyn wanted him to go over dagger handling, so he’d left them with a promise to return in an hour.(Pg 561)

* Cassian glance over to Az, but his attention was fixed on the young priestesses, admiration and quiet encouragement shining from his face. (Pg 621)

* Emerie said, “nothing can break us.” The world seemed to pause at the words. As if it had been following one path and now branched off in another direction. In a hundreds years, a thousand, this moment would still be etched in his mind. That he would tell his children, his grandchildren, right then and there. That was when it all changed. Azriel went wholly still, as if he, too had felt the shift. As if he, too, we’re aware that far larger forces peered into the training ring as Gwyn moved (pg 621)

* Gwyn asked Az, her teal eyes bright, “what do we get if we finish the course?” Az’s shadows danced around him. “Since there’s no chance in hell any of you will finish the course, we didn’t bother to get a prize.” Boo’s sounded. Gwyn lifted her chin in challenge. “We look forward to proving you wrong.” (Pg 623)

* Gwyn threw Azriel a withering stare as she strode past him. “See you tomorrow, Shadowsinger,” she tossed over a shoulder. Az stared after her, brows high with amusement. When he turned back, Nesta grinned. “You have no idea what you just started,” she said. Az angled his head, hazel eyes narrowing as Gwyn reached the archway. “Remember how Gwyn was with the ribbon?” Nesta winked and clapped the shadowsinger on the shoulder. “You’re the new ribbon, Az.” (Pg 624)

* Propelling Gwyn to push her group harder. She wanted to be the first. Wanted Nesta and Emerie and her to be the ones who wiped the smirks from Azriel’s and Cassian’s faces. Especially Azriel’s (pg 624)

* And when Gwyn reached the finish line, bloody and panting and grinning so wildly her teal eyes glowed like a sunlit sea, she only extended her battered hand to Azriel. “Well?” (Pg 625)

• “I kept to the trees the first two nights, watching the beasts, and I spotted that horrible male and his companions this morning. Saw they’d found my nightgown and displayed it, and I knew they were hunting for you. I thought I’d take them out before they could find you.” “You lead the beast right to them.” “I learned where the beasts sleep during the day,” Gwyn said. “and that they get very angry when awoken.” she pointed to the cuts on her face, her hands. “I barely out ran that one as I led it toward the camp. My timing was just good luck, though.” (Pg 682) & Azriel sharpen truth teller. the Black Blade absorbed the dim sunlight trickling through the forest canopy above. “it seems you’ve forgotten how much of spying is waiting for the right moment. people don’t engage in their evil deeds when it’s convenient to you. Cassian rolled his eyes. “I stopped spying because it bored me to death. I don’t know how you put up with this all the time.” “It suits me.” (page 688)

* “There are plenty of other unspeakable things that could be happening to her,” Cassian said, voice thickening. “To Emerie and Gwyn.” The shadows deepened around Azriel, his siphons gleaming like cobalt fire. (Page 688, ACOSF)

• “Azriel slaughtered all of them within moments. He didn’t hesitate. But I could barely move, and when I tried to get up…He gave me his cloak and wrapped me in it.” (Page 695, ACOSF) & ���sloppy I realized. Rhys had been sloppy in killing them. Normally he would’ve kept them alive for Azriel to question. But he’d taken what he needed, quickly, brutally, and ended it.” (Pg 331, ACOWAR)

We see how Azriel usually takes people into questioning when it comes to things like that and he didn’t even do that. The same thing with Rhys. I just thought it was a connection.

We see that Elriel had zero interactions or connections with each other after the bonus chapter, because the bonus happens the night of winter solstice. We see many gwynriel connections after the bonus chapter and there’s suppose to be zero gwynriel build up in acosf and people are not understanding why they are being shipped?

How can you claim 4 books of build up when the only thing I see where you can ship Elain & Azriel is in ACOWAR, but even then it’s canon that Azriel was still in love with Mor up until ACOSF.

#gwynriel #pro gywnriel #anti e/riel #acosf

[starsreminisce]

Yea, Azriel had a very strong reaction when Elain was kidnapped

Oh yea, Azriel was the one who actually took her to the garden

blah blah blah

But you know what else...

Azriel has been harboring a desire to exact revenge on this fae for the past 500 years due to an incident involving Mor, in which he had no direct involvement. Azriel simply harbored a long-standing crush on her.

So, why take the risk of rescuing an ally, especially one they're dead sure will stab them in the back?

And why drag out the suspense for so long to confirm a betrayal?

The big question here is, does it even make sense to bother saving Eris in the first place?

Is it because Eris is important to Rhys - his High Lord, just as Elain is important to Feyre - his High Lady?

At this point, rescuing people and making sure they're okay seems to be just one of his defining personality traits.

Unless you ship Azris, in which case, I like you

#antie/riel #anti elriel #oh! Azriel saved Elain!! #as though he doesn’t have a savior complex #as though she’s the very first person he saved #azris supremacy #i ship them but I like gywnriel and thats happening so I can enjoy this ship #coz im an enemies to lovers hoe #eris vanserra #azriel x eris

[cordeliaandnestastan]

Okay can we take a moment to get upset that FEYRE (and thus rhys) KNOW LUCIENS DAD IS HELION BUT HASNT TOLD HIM???

#not the IC making other peoples decisions for them #like give your friends/liasons/people their own AUTONOMY #gywnriel and nesta posts bringing out some IC criticismin me #lucien spell cleaver #lucien vanserra #pro lucien vanserra #pro lucien #feyre #feyre acheron #rhysand #anti feysand #well really anti feysands decision not their whole ship i still like them

[thewoodpeckercries]

you know what. it actually wouldn’t suprise me if elriel is canon after acosf.

yeah, that bonus scene was azriel completely objectifying and elain and only thinking of her in a sexual way, and low key obsessing over her, isn’t that exactly what happened with nessian?

didn’t sjm make nessians relationship purely based on sex? didn’t cassian spend the entire time thinking of nesta in a sexual way, while she either spent it in a depression or totally in love with cassian?

according to sjm, true love is just sex, and maybe tolerating the other person. so no, as much as i hate it, it wouldn’t suprise me if elain and azriel got together.

#anti acotar #anti inner circle #anti sjm #pro nesta #anti cassian #nesta acheron #anti nessian #azriel #elain #anti elriel #this is actually pro gywnriel tbh #pro gywn #anti acosf

[nestaapologist]

I don’t get involved in ship wars but I haven’t forgotten how last year I saw elriel stans saying that gwynriel couldn’t happen bc of Gywn’s assault and gwynriel stans saying that elriel could happen bc Elain didn’t have the proper uterus to give az a baby….Now, I like Azriel, but why are y’all foaming at the mouth and reverting to the 1950’s for a man who spoke on maybe 7 different occasions the entire series? Stop that.

#im begging y’all to form some kind of peace agreement #acotar #azriel #elain archeron #gwyneth berdara #gywnriel #anti gwynriel #anti e/riel #elriel

[thisloveseternal]

sometimes I just don't understand and wonder if these people read the same book I did

#elriel #pro elriel #anti gwynriel #elain archeron #azriel #acotar #gywnriel

[freyjas-musings]

Anti Elriel doesn't automatically mean pro Gwynriel, sincere request to Gwynriels if it's an anti post please tag is as that and leave the Gywnriel tag out of it , if it has both anti elriel and Pro Gwynriel content then it's fine but if it's predominantly an anti post just keep it to anti tags ..... Tagging etiquette is not rocket science it's basic.

#gwynriel #gwyneth berdara #pro gwynriel #gwyn acosf #acotar #azriel shadowsinger #gwyn x azriel #azriel #post acosf #acosf theory

[elrielffs]

Just reposting this from reddit since my posts are getting removed.

SJM didn't have to write Azriel showing Elain the garden.

SJM didn't have to write Azriel giving Elain Truthteller.

SJM didn't have to write Azriel willing to die to save Elain.

SJM didn't have to write Azriel figuring out what was wrong with Elain right after Madja stressed a mate would know what's wrong.

SJM didn't have to write ANY of the scenes with Elain and Azriel if she wasn't planning on doing something with it. She could have literally excluded those scenes entirely or inserted another person into the various situations. I've seen people argue that the ship was sunk in the bonus chapter but respectfully, what was it all for then? Just filler?

All of that has to be leading somewhere.

I truly believe if Elucien was endgame, I would think SJM would AT LEAST have Elucien recognize Elain as a seer. If there was one moment that should have been theirs, it should have been that one but it wasn't. Hell, SJM could have made it Feyre via herself or reading Luciens thoughts but it wasn't. It was Azriel.

And I think if SJM wanted to build up tension for Elucien she could have done it without including Azriel at all. There's already enough there to work with if she wanted to utilize it to further Elucien, but she doesn't, she leaves it awkward.

And what super important scenes does Gywn have? Besides the bonus chapter, which is heavily hinting at more going on with Gwyn's power than anything, you could replace Gywn in scenes with Azriel and no one would think anything of it.

If SJM had Lucien figure out Elain was a seer and have Azriel give half a shit that Gwyn was in the Blood Rite, I could maybe see where antis come from. But it's not there so I don't.

#elriel #anti elucien #anti gywnriel #sjm #acotar

[darklingswhxore]

Why is tumblr showing me so much anti elriel content 😭

And all the same dumb argument ... it canon azriel only has sexual attraction towards elain

You people are just babies this is not YA what did you freakin expect ??!!! Boy if you have so much problem with adult themes might as well drop the whole series 🤦🏽‍♀️

And people really be out there forgetting vassa is main piece in this impending battle with koschei last book is bound to be hers with Lucien as her LI

sjm pretty much ended elucien with that bonus chapter ..... and the next book is way too far ofcourse she would add another mix to this already complicated setup she knew what she was doin what better way to keep a fandom alive and at the same time create a hype for the next book than ship wars.....

The next book is definetly gonna be elain's with Az as her LI .....

#elriel #vassien #elain archeron #azriel #anti gywnriel #anti elucien #just in case for blocking purposes #acotar #acosf #vassa #vassa acotar #lucien vanserra #just a little rant

[nightcourtreader]

Have u ever seemed to notice that it’s like people who are pro feysand are also e|riel and if they’re gwynriel they’re anti them?

It’s just an observation I’ve seen and it annoys me and puts me off following people, it sorta seems like u can’t get the both of best worlds u know?

Yesss, I have noticed a lot of e/riels are pro feysand and vice versa. Quite honestly, when I see any one who ships Azriel with Elain no matter if that ship Nessian and feysand like I do, I block them. Especially ones I see coming into gywnriel tags trying to argue all the time being hostile 🥴

And I have seen a handful of gywnriels being anti feysand.

I do follow gwynriels that are anti feysand tho. Like it sucks that you can’t get the best of both world at times, but I do follow people that like both. But the people who I know are anti feysand, I just usually scroll and don’t interact with their anti feysand post and just like and interact with all their other content.

#gwynriel #feysand #acotar

[starsreminisce]

What I find puzzling is that many theories suggesting a match between Elain and Azriel involve Elain transforming into something Gwyn already does or demonstrates the capability to do.

To me, it suggests a lack of understanding of Elain's strengths and character.

It's unrealistic to think she could dominate Azriel when Gwyn has both valid reasons, canon context, and historical connections to be the one to do so.

Some even label Gwyn as a self-insert pick-me but it seems like what many want Elain to be is essentially who Gwyn is.

#pro gywnriel #gwynriel #azriel x gwyn #gwyn x azriel #antielriel #antie/riel

[prettygirlonthenet]

my question is, how is sjm gonna further the plot if gywnriel's book is next?? that means were only gonna b hearing the queens, beron, kosechi, the trove etc (y'know, the PLOT) all from azriel's pov plus his healing arc. and gywn's pov is gonna be what.....more valkyrie training??

#let's not kid ourselves #azriel #gywn #gywnriel #anti gywnriel #acotar #acotar 6 #sjm

[faeobsessed-cauldronblessed]

Literally went there just to talk shit smh

#a court of bongs and fangirling #acotar memes #acotar #sarah j maas #a court of silver flames #acosf #a court of mist and fury #azriel #rhysand #anti tamlin #tamlin #rhysand acotar #feyre archeron #gywnriel #elriel #elucien #acowar #a court of thorns and roses #a court of wings and ruin

[nessiantrashh]

whatever our souls are made of, nesta’s and mine are the same💆🏾‍♀️

#nessian #nesta archeron #nesta supremacy #nesta deserved better #acosf #a court of silver flames spoilers #a court of silver flames #gywnriel #gwyneth berdara #emerie #emerie x mor #anti amren #anti feysand #anti rhysand