#anti jaybabs

[fantastic-nonsense]

@wahbegan: why do you hate Jason/Babs so much? I mean tbh Three Jokers was the only time i'd ever seen it in any capacity [x]

This required an answer that was longer than the replies would let me give, and forgive me if it comes off as a bit snippy, but basically: it's a ship that is directly an outgrowth of comic creators being misogynistic and shopping Barbara around to every male Batfamily member in her radius because DC refused to allow her the same consideration in her romantic relationships that they gave for the male Bats and refused to allow more than one woman to exist within the Batfam. It's gross and the reason it exists is blatantly sexist.

Jason/Babs is a relationship that is entirely predicated on "giving Jason a love interest" rather than respecting Barbara as an individual character outside of her potential to be paired with whichever Batboy the writers like best that week. It's a situation where she was considered an empty vessel to be paired with whoever was convenient because she was the only major female Bat character allowed to exist during the New 52 era (besides Kate Kane, who's explicitly lesbian and was therefore Not An Option).

The decision to tease them as a potential couple happened during a period of time when DC was quite literally passing Babs around between the male Batfam members. In various pieces of comics and non-comics media over a three year period, she flirted with/dated Dick, Jason Todd, Luke Fox, Jason Bard, Ethan Cobblepot, Tim (in the Arkham games), and Bruce (in Bruce Timm's DCAU-adjacent Killing Joke movie). This is despite Babs usually being DECADES older than Jason and Tim and DC's dramatic de-aging of her during the New 52 being the only reason she was even remotely within an acceptable age range to potentially date Jason in the first place.

Writers largely did not give Babs equal treatment in any of these relationships, even the ones portrayed within her own book (Dick, Luke, Jason Bard, and Ethan). She was either a reward to be handed to whichever Batboy a writer wanted to do a love plot with, a way to create "shared angst and bonding potential" so the writer could focus on a male Bat's trauma, or subject to a carousel of dating subplots that had very little to do with her actual desires or character development. Writers just wanted to pair her with someone, so they grabbed the nearest available Bat-adjacent character whether it made any sense for Babs or not.

Barbara is traditionally over a decade older than Jason (since she's 4-6 years older than Dick depending on the retcon and Jason is 6-ish years younger than Dick); she, as a grown adult and full-time librarian, canonically tutored Jason before his death when he was 15. The fact that she was ever considered a viable love interest for Jason in the first place has its roots in the misogynistic de-aging of Babs in the reboot and the stupid-ass nonsense DC was perpetuating at the time about giving Jason all of Dick's old friends and teammates and love interests to hang around with. It was transposing Dick onto Jason in an attempt to do something interesting narratively with Jason rather than actually caring about Barbara as a character in literally any capacity. It's also not a relationship that makes sense in any way other than "ooooooh we need to give Jason a girlfriend who understands his ~trauma~. Let's pair him up with the other Bat who's been fucked over by the Joker!" Disregarding...you know, the myriad reasons why that's a shitty basis for a romantic relationship.

tl;dr: editorial and writer misogyny via using Babs as a shipping bicycle and reward for whichever male Batboy editorial likes best this week is bad, actually. Therefore, I hate Jason/Babs even conceptually because it does not consider what Barbara might want or need out of a relationship nor is it a relationship that was ever about her; it was strictly about what might be "cool" or "interesting" within the concept of Jason's story and the result of various writers trying to do something with Jason and make him interesting by giving him a potential girlfriend who "understood his trauma." Thankfully, it never truly manifested in any way other than flirting and some insinuations (except in Three Jokers, the original book under discussion), but we will all be better off when even the concept is dead and buried.

#anti jaybabs #jason todd #barbara gordon #dc comics #replies #barbara gordon meta #jason todd meta

[local-limebug]

jason todd has so many underrated canon love interests. essence, isabel, artemis, and rose are all characters i love with him. like those are good ships. why is everyone ignoring them?

#look. i have Opinions on this matter. #i know that fandoms have incurable mlm fetishization disease which is why jayroy is so much more popular than these ships #and i like jayroy but. come on. jayrose solos. #but fr like 😭 ik we all hate whatever he had going on with babs and kori because what the fuck (i hate dc writers) #but jay/essence was a good ship!! it would have added more focus onto who jason is outside of being a vigilante but still being a warrior #because its p much canon that he has magical affinities that dc pretty much ignores now #and isabel! jay/isabel was such a good ship too for showing the more civilian view of the red hood and who jason was as a civilian #jayrose is my personal fav solely because they're one of the few duos we've seen as good friends and i just love their interactions #and rose has that anti-hero (?) potential right. i think jayrose is a good ship for who jason would be as a vigilante outside gotham #ik i'm focusing on jason more than the love interests when i talk about why these ships are so interesting but rn that's just because i'm #trying to figure out why these ships are so ignored among jason fans in favour of ships like jayroy or jaykori or jaybabs or batc*st #because imo these have so much more potential than those ones :/ #i forgot to speak on jaytemis. i love jaytemis because i think jason deserves a woman that can yeet his 6 foot brick wall body with ease- #but more than that it really would have been a very fun idea to explore the amazonians' moralities and politics more #because jay and artemis were supposed to parallel bruce and diana. i just think there was again potential there for jason to break off from #the batfamily #yk? #limebug's original posts #jason todd #rose wilson #artemis of bana mighdall #isabel ardila #essence #sorry to any jayroy shippers that might see this even tho i didnt individually tag jayroy. i'm one of you i promise i'm a multishipper #if anyone wants to discuss this my dms and askbox are OPEN

[muffinmonstah-art]

I was wondering how you got into some of the Barbara Gordon ships you like because I feel like she's a very unpopular character to ship with others and most people don't really bother having fun shipping with her.

I have this nsfw hc about Barbara where I feel like because she is someone who always has to be in control of situations that when she is sharing intimacy with a partner she likes to be controlled/dominated. Which is ironic because I have a nsfw hc about Jason Todd where I feel like because he didn't have control of situations in his life that he needs control and would seek out control in intimate situations with partners and would need to dominate.

I'm just an observant viewer who pays attention to character dynamics I think are interesting and the ship grows in me naturally. I don't give two cents about what other people on this fandom think it should be banned, cancelled or not allowed to ship for dumb idiotic reasons.

"But Barbra should date other people outside batboyes!!11111" "But the Arkham games aren't allowed to create an AU with an adult Tim Drake and pair him up with Barbra they're cancelled now!11111" "But Bruce and Barbra are like father and daugther I command everyone to cancel this ship and Bruce Timm is pro-incest weirdo who should be banished from the industry for daring to ship them together!!1111"

All background annoying noise in my ears. Weak reasons crafted by childish people not worth obeying. They're also hypocritical. Like, many of them would love to see a gangbang between Dick and the batboys. Hell, they headcanon Dick as a slut who likes to get banged by every older man on this universe and that's ok (I'm not judging. I'm ok with those headcanons as well, since I ship JayDick, SlaDick and BruDick with passion), but for Barbara to headcanon her the same way is morally wrong? Screw them.

Don't they realize the problem is DC putting mediocre writters to write Barbara into fucking DickBabs of all things and not the fans who dream about their own stories featuring this character? All the problems they try to inject into BruBabs, JayBabs, TimBabs, etc are already present on canon DickBabs lol.

-She got deaged and her personality got reduced into forever hormonal silly teen girl so she could be paired up with Dick and fullfill the trope of the americanized shoujo-like romance in comics.

-She changed from being Batman's love interest and an indepentent hero to be "like a daughter" to Bruce and subjugated to the Bat-family so she can be a pretty accesory to Dick.

-When she isn't dating Dick, she has to be thinking about him, mentioning him, comparing him to her current love interest. She also needs to be thinking about him and talking about him when she's working.

-She doesn't have any agenda of her own anymore, she only exists to be Dick's love interest and get comicbros horny by fullfilling the rol of being a female Batman with tits and ass.

All those problems are DickBabs problems, not JayBabs'. Not BruBabs'. Not TimBabs'. When BruBabs was a thing, Barbara was not a deaged insufferable idiot. She was independent. She was an equal comrade in arms to Bruce. When JayBabs got a few issues back in Batman Ethernal (I'm not counting Three Jokers because that's a whole other can of worms), she helped Jason go into a little arc and their bond progressed naturally from working together on screen. When TimBabs was a thing in the Arkham games, she was the best version of herself there's around, period. She was professional, a computer genius as Oracle, who was focused on the mission and being Tim's love interest was just a small part of her, not her defining core. And also OH. LOOK. Those devs proved you can cut DickBabs from the equation and have Barbara and Dick be themselves and their core character traits remain untouched LMAO. GET REKT YOU PIECE OF SHIT PAIRING.

So yeah, considering alll those points I just expanded upon, I say I'm in my right to ship JayBabs and TimBabs. And BardBabs too. Jason Bard also got disrespected and fucked over DickBabs and I don't fogive nor forget.

"But age difference!!!1111 you pedo shit1111"

That hyprocritical argument FOR SOME REASON does not apply to JayTemis I guess. Shipping JayTemis is ok while that bitch is like +200 years older than Jason, but with Babs is morally wrong because of her being like 11 years older than him? Fuck this logic. I don't care. At least I'm not deaging her. I'm respecting she is an experienced woman who went through tons of dark stuff and Jason admires that. Hell, in my headcanon, with Jason being a crimelord who has traveled all around the world learning assassin training, he would be bored as hell with some 20 years old girl. Lmao. What would they even talk about?

And I love Arkham Tim Drake and I think every creator is on their right to create their own AU story. The Arkham devs created their own thing and I love it. I ship the hell out of Arkham TimBabs, pair that also allowed me to have single Nightwing dancing his pretty ass over my face on his purest expression. 10/10. Antis go cry me a river.

"But you don't want Babs to date anyone outside the bat-family111!!!"

My favourite strawman argument. I debunked it the moment I declared myself to be a Jason Bard simp and a BardBabs shipper.

End of my rant/insight post.

Now it's my turn to tell you to get into SasoSaku, anon. SasoSaku is life. (Joking, joking)

#asks #anti dickbabs #JayBabs #TimBabs

[truthjusticeandthenerdway]

My thing with Jaybabs

Okay so I know most people who like Batman or any related character generally dislike this ship but here me out. All the reasons people say it aren't a good ship aren’t because they would not be good for each other but either because they are tired of Barbra being passed around the bat boys, they ship her with Dick Grayson, or want Barbra to be her own character. 

Which I agree Barbra should get more of her own person for a while but I want one little thing: I want them to have Barbra and Jason to be a couple and show why they would not be good together. I want Jaybabs-antis to actually have good reasons other than I don’t like it so it’s toxic. I want them to get into a relationship have it be written well and then have it fall apart.

#jaybabs #barbra gordon #jason todd #redhood #dc #batman #comic books #batgirl #dickbabs #dick grayson

[mxrekai]

This whole thing... left me feeling so ICKY.

 This whole “Jason has a crush on Barbara” plot left me feeling... not good. That kiss messed with Jason emotionally, it was NOT healthy. The kiss should NOT have happened. His mannerisms around Barbara changed, as if he had regressed into a child-like state. 

The one that punched me in the face was the panel where he’s stuttering, shivering, and clutching onto himself. He is so scared of rejection and needs healthy support in his life right now. He’s desperate for her approval as well. 

In his letter he is prepared to give up being Red Hood for her, something he couldn’t even do for Bruce. He’s ready to give up everything just to make her happy because he thinks it’ll make him happy, but for how long?

I don’t think Jason’s in a good state to be in a relationship right now, maybe over time but this whole interaction with Barbara is a no.  

#red hood #Jason Todd #three jokers #spoilers #anti jaybabs

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I hope some people know not only Dickbabs fans don’t like Jaybabs and brucebabs, and it's not about ages.

At least Akm timbabs have a healthy relationship and develop well. and both of tim and barbara have their own good characters and the relationship it's not ruin themselves. Tim robin is not bad and AKM barbara batgirl/oracle is amazing.

Can you even remember Jaybabs and brucebabs have one good romantic healthy story？ People hate Jaybabs is not because n52 is because three jokers ruined Jason. and Jaybabs is one of the reason ruined his character. Did you ever read three jokers？？？

I don't want to mention brucebabs. If you like brucebabs that's mean you never read killing jokes comics and you hate Dick Grayson in batman tas and want to be the one fucked by batman. You gross asf.

Please don't forget a lot of people hate this also because Barbara’s reputation was badly damaged by these jay/bruce x barbara ships. If you want to ship these two please defend barbara herself before you start protect your ship.

"Dickbabs have bad writing too！why you not say they're bad？"

That's because they have more history and have more chance be fixed as canon couple. DC is trying to let tom taylor fix them now. But Jaybabs/brubabs will never get the same treatment. DC is try to push Dickbabs in a health way but not jb and brubabs

Of course you can ship what you want just stay away from dickbabs tag

This post is for the people who think only dickbabs hate jb and brub and hate them only because their ages

#anti jaybabs #anti brucebabs #Jason todd #barbara gordon #bruce wayne #dickbabs

[nightwingmyboi]

What do you think of the latest 3 Jokers? First Kory and Roy are Jason's best friends, now Barbara is Jason's love interest? And no one has ever cared about getting Jason help? What was Dick putting him in good Arkham then?

Well, I knew from the get go that this comic series was not going to be for me lmao. I am pretty sick of the Joker, so I was going to hard pass on all that. Then I saw the kiss...and I was like, oh boy. Guess I’m reading this after all to see what the heck is going on there. 

Not going to lie: kind of sick of Jason just hijacking other characters (mostly Dick’s) character dynamics. It’d be different if Jason actually became friends with other characters naturally, and they developed their own unique dynamic (I thought they did this better with Artemis and Bizarro for example). That I wouldn’t mind, even if these characters were also friends with Dick. But it’s like, Dick and Roy are childhood friends? Well, now Jason and Roy are childhood friends and also Roy hates Dick and their decades long relationship is completely erased. Why. 

As for Jason and Barbara being in a relationship...well, I hate that Babs is just getting de-aged and passed around between members of the Bat-fam, I think thats a big issue there. And regardless of what the age gap they say exists between them now, Barbara just feels a lot older than Jason to me and that also makes things uncomfortable for me personally. 

Another thing...just by virtue of the fact that Dick and Barbara have such a long-standing and popular romantic history, along with the fact that Jason is Dick’s brother...Dick is inevitably going to hang over this relationship. Both in canon and fanon materials alike. 

On Barbara’s end, and on Jason’s. Third-wheeling and he’s not even present. Dick is an unavoidable roadblock here, and I don’t want this to turn into another instance where it becomes a Dick Grayson bashing session in order to prop up Jason’s relationships. And the thought of these three being in a love triangle makes me want to vomit, hard pass. 

I think it is an interesting premise, to have Barbara and Jason bond over their shared traumas and help each other heal. But I’m not a fan of the “romantic” connection. It makes me uncomfortable that things happened between them while Jason was so vulnerable. He’d just been stripped naked and beaten by the Joker--the man (men whatever) that he hates most in the world, the guy that had previously murdered him. He is definitely re-traumatized, definitely not mentally ok, and that is when Barbara is suddenly going to display interest, that was largely absent from the comic up until that moment? It really rubs me the wrong way. 

Anyway, I have to say, that if this existed outside of canon, as I thought the Black Label titles were supposed to, then I wouldn’t have as many issues. Because I’d be able to be like, whatever, continuity doesn’t matter here. But since the writers are very insistent that it is a part of canon and will greatly effect the main universe, it has me nitpicking. Because, what do they mean, no one has been able to connect with Jason? What are all these scenes supposed to be. 

Nightwing #15

Batman #16

Batman and Robin Eternal #16

Where he is clearly vibing with his family members. Why does he have a bat symbol on his chest at all, if he’s not aligned with Bat-fam and made up with Bruce to some extent? And DC has very much gone out of their way to give Jason relationships to Roy, Starfire, Artemis, Bizarro, etc. There are a lot of areas where Jason could have and did receive some love and support and connection. So for him to say “I’ve never felt like anyone cared” until right now because Barbara had a five second conversation with him seems like a bit much. And saying that all of this is going to effect the main continuity in huge ways makes me nervous. 

DC needs to decide what they are going to do with Jason. They can’t keep doing this back and forth stuff where one second he’s the family outcast who has never been loved, and the next he’s an integral member of the family. It doesn’t make sense, and it creates this weird dissonance with him where a lot of what he does comes off as fake and insincere. Which stinks, because Jason’s character used to be all about conviction. 

#ask #jason todd #red hood #barbara gordon #anti jaybabs #batgirl #three jokers #anti three jokers #joker #just my opinion tho guys

[buttofgrayson]

The only people it's okay to bully are jaybabs shippers

#tis a joke #anti jaybabs #batman #nightwing #dc comics #batfamily #jason todd #red hood #robin #tim drake #damian wayne #red robin #jaybabs #dickbabs

[gritsandbrits]

Speaking of Jason Todd I wish the fandom could stop pitting him and Dick together especially with how DC often treats them in favor of Damian lol

Although I do wish he had more stories that doesn't involve Joker/ADitF/Batfam because he kinda barely does anything in Batfam crossovers? I'd like for him to find some type of closure and well facing realistic consequences for his behavior instead of "Totally Wrong Let's Kill Him" or JASON WAS RIGHT like he can be both 👀 maybe have him accidentally create a villain of his own and overtime he realizes that he almost became just like Joker and works fervently to stop the monster he created. Only that monster is a victim...his victim and that he needs to hold accountability and not just excused because emo angst party.

Or maybe have him go out of Gotham and have him walk the earth learning more amd more to be empathetic. Not fully healed but he uses his anger a bit more constructively. Or have him work with Baezarro and Arty again or form an entirely new incarnation of the Outlaws. Like there's so many different directions you can take Jason to flesh out into his OWN character and mythos.

Oh and PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE give him his own love interest stop whoring out Babs stop leeching off Dick and Bruce by trying to pair him up with Kory and Talia like....give him someone grounded can be another hero/antihero or normal person like...give him a healthy relationship with a new and compelling character that isn't used as a dump for all his problems mkay?

#anti jaybabs #jason todd #nightwing #dick grayson #anti ric grayson #anti dc #batman #red hood and the outlaws #red hood #batman salt

[yaraaflor]

i think what REALLY bothers me about j*ybabs & 3 jokers in particular is the way it requires seriously warping babs’ preboot character... like ok it bothers me for various reasons, the lack of precedent, treating babs as a toy for batboys, etc. BUT what ive noticed is a lot of people’s argument in favor of j*ybabs is that they have “shared trauma” thanks to the joker. and like ??? thats so disrespectful the barbara honestly??? a huge part of her character development was moving past what the joker did to her (which is horrible and traumatizing, im not denying that). not that she “forgave” him or anything stupid like that, but she doesnt hold a grudge towards him the way jason does. she came out of the shooting stronger than ever, and she embraced her disability and learned to love herself as a disabled woman. a huge part of her story is recognizing that, as she says in her own words, the joker took nothing from her. he’ll always be an enemy of hers, but not in the way he is jason’s. it seems like some people have the idea that barbara must deal with her trauma the same way jason does and that she MUST hate him the same way jason does. im not saying she doesn’t hate him, and im not saying that jason’s way of coping with his trauma is wrong. not at all. but her view of the joker and and what he did to her is completely different from jason’s view... or at least it was until the new52, when they got rid of her disability. which brings me to the biggest beef i have with 3 jokers, which is the implication that babs’ disability is shameful or painful for her to look at, when in fact she was most comfortable in herself when she was disabled!!!! im sure the shooting itself is still painful to her, but treating her disability like it was some horrible thing that shes glad to have in the past is really ableist tbh!!! hasnt dc disrespected barbara enough by magically getting rid of it and deaging her? anyway im rambling at this point but it really seems to me that dc is, once again, completely warping barbara to fit their narrative, this time for 3 jokers! and theyve dragged jason into it and given them this weird possible romance... why? bc they hate the joker? so does everybody baby!

#rant #long post #barbara gordon #jason todd #joker #anti jaybabs #my post #idk idk im just. mad #pls dont come here arguing w me ur not gonna change my mind just. ignore or block and move on pls #also FUCK the new 52 for what they did to her. have i said that yet

[animalpetcel]

Jason Todd and Ships & My feelings on them

(Because a friend dared me to)

JayRoy: I used to ship it, but then I read up on Roy’s post reboot personality and history and I felt too weird about it to continue (But DickRoy looks nicer now)

JayKyle: I read their Search for Ray Palmer series with Donna. The potential is there, but they never interacted beyond that so I don’t have strong feeling for it (Also I love ConnorKyle more)

JayEddie: The two are supposed to be friends & penpals, but beyond that one crossover story they had in Blue Devil #19 & Eddie’s comments in Teen Titans (2003) #42, they haven’t talked about each other or interacted at all. Since DC doesn’t care enough about Eddie to develop his relationships with Blue Devil, Rose Wilson and Jason, this ship remains a rarepair, though if DC decided to use Eddie instead of Roy for New52 RHATO, JayEddie would have eclipsed JayRoy & JayKyle in terms of popularity

Batcest ships: Disgusting. Adopted families are real families.

JayTalia: Also disgusting, she’s his mentor figure, the mother of one of his brothers and is around Bruce’s age. It was a bad idea all around.

JayHelena: Huntress has been stated to like gentler men and is working harder to be a better, non-murdery hero so people who say that they have a lot in common are ignoring Helena’s development and personality to turn her into the “girlfriend heals boyfriend” cliche (which I hate)

JayHarley: Bad idea. Not only does Harley have Ivy, but the only thing those two have in common is the Joker. I seriously can’t even imagine how this would even work

JayBabs: Again, the only thing they share is the Joker connection, and if people hated New52 RHATO because they felt that Lobdell was trying to turn Jason into Dick, JayBabs being canon would just make things worse

Jaysabel: While I have nothing against Isabel Ardila, I have to agree with others when they say that she’s a nothing character. Other than being a reference to Death in the Family, Lobdell has done little to make her stand out against other popular civilian love interest (ex:Linda Park, Iris West & Lois Lane) or even convince the audience that we should support their relationship. I even forgot that she was present in the Alien arc of New52 RHATO and she hasn’t done anything noteworthy in Rebirth RHATO. If Lobdell leaves and DC decides to continue RHATO with a different writer, unless some miracle happens, I have no doubt that Isabel will be forgotten.

Jaytemis: At the time I’m writing this, Jason x Artemis is still a rather new ship, maybe a little over a year or two since we learned that they’re even into each other. I again don’t think that Lobdell did a good job at setting up this relationship, as many RHATO fans before the kiss believed that the were strong friends, and afterwards, I’ve only seen a handful of RHATO & Jason fans support the idea of their romantic relationship, and many (me included) would rather they remain strong friends. It feels like Lobdell is coasting off of Wonderbats fans to support this ship instead of really working on making a believable romance, and I’m not positive that the relationship will start to pick up more traction even after Artemis & Bizarro return. However, while I’m not hopeful that Jaytemis will become a mainstay in Jason’s canon like Dickori, Dickbabs, Timsteph or *cough* Timkon *cough* there is a chance that if another writer wants to continue it after he’s finished, that it could become another mainstay Batship

Update: Upon learning that Jaytemis is Editorial mandate and Lobdell doesn’t actually care for it, I know understand why it feels so forced to me. Yeah, I have no idea if they’ll keep trying to make it happen after Lobdell leaves, but I don’t have a lot of confidence in it.

JayKara: with almost every prominent Batfam member having their own alien (often Kryptonian) friend. (Dick & Kori, Tim & Connor, Damian & Jon and Babs & Kara again) it was only a matter of time until something like this happened. However, I prefer Kara’s more friendly interactions with Barbara, and as of Rebirth, Jay’s kryptonian is (at least for now) a Bizarro clone named (?) Bizz by fans, though who knows if this (at the time of this post) current RHATO team of the Dark Trinity will become a mainstay for Jason’s life outside of the Batfam

JayKorr: Jason x Rankorr (Jack Moore). Mirroring JayKyle, but Rankorr’s philoshphy as a Red Lantern, as well as his storyline revolving around controlling his own rage and need for vengeance, these two can have interesting interactions if they were ever allowed to seriously interact. Jack Moore could be Jason’s boyfriend & reluctant superhero, since Moore does have a desire to be “normal”

JayAugust: If you’ve seen my Twitter, you’d know that I’m one if the many Godspeed fans who want him to crossover with Jason. Often called the “Red Hood of the Flashfam”, August’s belief that killing is a valid option when dealing with criminals, need for revenge since his brother’s murder, and troubled relationship with Barry given a different in the two’s morals (and Barry’s unwillingness to let August go on a Black Hole massacre/August believing that Barry isn’t using his speedster abilities to their fullest and would rather Barry step out of the way to let August do his job), draws some nice parallels between him and Jason, especially when it comes to their troubled history with the mentor figures. And given that every former Robin has their own speedster (Dick=Wally, Tim=Bart, Damien=Wallace), giving Jason one that fits his morals and way of going after criminals (at least pre-New52) would make the most sense.

Honorable mentions go to:

JayBunker: I’ve only seen two people ship this, but if Lobdell was finally allowed to expand the Outlaws (in a podcast interview he mentioned that Bat Editorial has rejected all of his attempts, which is why Rebirth RHATO is full of temporary team-up & why the Creeper is considered to be an Outlaw despite not showing up often and refusing their offer) and decides to make Miguel a more permanent member (and age him up a teensy bit) than I can see it

JayRose: Some believe that this would be the best canon option for Jason, but they haven’t interacted enough for me to be convinced that they’d be the best fit for one another. They’d be really close friends though if not lovers

Bizzjay: This makes me uncomfortable because canon has stated multiple times that Bizz is mostly inexperienced with the mentality of child (before he temporarily became more intelligent, and who knows if that inspires a change in their dynamic until Bizz & Artemis return is issue 40)

Redcrux: After reading Jasontod’s post, I can imagine it clearly and it sound really soft, funny, energetic and cute, the exact way that I like my ships. If RHATO was ever to reintroduce Crux as a full-time Outlaw (and maybe have a retcon were it was another alien like Lobo instead of Starfire indirectly responsible for the crash), I’d love to see him and Jason get closer

#jason ships #red hood ships #jason todd x eddie bloomberg #anti batcest #anti jaytalia #anti jayharley #anti jaybabs #jaysabel #jayisabel #isabel ardila #jason todd x artemis grace #jason todd x kara danvers #jason todd x rankorr #jason todd x jack moore #jason todd x john moore #jayaugust #jason todd x august heart #august heart #jaybunker #jason x bunker #jason todd x miguel barragan #jason todd x rose wilson #bizarro x jason todd #richard grayson x roy harper #jayeddie #redspeed #jaykorr #jayroy #jaykyle

[fantastic-nonsense]

just got. the weirdest tags ever. on that anti-JayBabs response and now I can't figure out if the OP's blocked me or....deleted their blog?

#personal #I just........I'm glad I screenshotted them because ????????

[antijasontodd]

The only reason jaybabs is a thing is because fans love Jason so they want to "give" Barbara to him.

But barabra isn't someone to just give away to your favorite robin.

#jaybabs #anti jaybabs #batman #dick grayson #jason todd #red hood #red hood and the outlaws #tim drake #batfam #batfamily #dc #red hood and arsenal #red robin #teen titans #teen titans go #justice league #nightwing #damian wayne #dc comics #robin #comics

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I think because nobody really makes any ship content for Jason and Barbara and it is extremely rare to see art for them, especially right now where everything is Dick and Barbara. So it’s nice to see that there is still a community out there or people who still like Jason and Barbara as a pairing. I absolute adore your JayBabs art! It’s so beautiful!

It's cute that my JayBabs art has been feeding my ask box a lot lately. I've produced a lot of fanart for niche ships over the years and I've never brought this type of attention to myself. By what you're saying the JayBabs tag has been very deprived of content. That's kinda sad. But it's not a big deal in my eyes. You'd be surprised by the fact that the majority of people engaging on the Batfam fandom online probably don't even know this ship exists and have no previous judgement towards it.

Sometimes you just need the one fanart that gets viral for the ship to gain a few new entusiastic shippers :)

The DickBabs ship is just Batwriter agenda, crafted with the purpose to keep Dick isolated from having any relevant bond outside the Batman property. And it's so fucking plastic and poorly writen that constantly gets in the way of everything even inside the Batman related stories. I'm starving for Jason & Dick content first and foremost, and I can't stand this shit getting in the way of every single Batfam dynamic involving Dick. Seriously, where are my Jason&Dick centered stories? I want Nightwing&Batman stories too without any nasty ships stealing valious pages from the story that could be used to explore other more relevant things. Do I also have to mention how annoying it is that Dick cannot count on his friends anymore because now his only bestie is the woke bitch?

The idea of me shipping this kind of editorial plastic craft that stank of "Batwriter agenda" since day 1, instead of a blank page full of potential for writers like JayBabs is laughable honestly.

Even worse it becomes when you add the fact that my most hated fictional trope of all times: the "childhood soulmates" one was injected to this turd back then, when the characters' ages were retconed to add their off-panel "history together" bullshit.

I have a problem with this trope. I have a big personal problem with any fictional ship that follows this shitty trope. This bland idealized fantasy that consists in two characters that meet each other as kids, and they become the first crush for each other, and become best friends and later on they start to date and they make love and they grow up together and stay together for the rest of their lives blablablah does not vibe at all with me. The reason? I LIVED IT IN REAL LIFE. The love of my life is the first man I've dated and the only romantic experience I had. It's been many many years since we started dating.

I get why normies instantly become attached and idealize this kind of relationships in fiction. Because in real life this is not the norm. The probabilites of someone having their first crush on their soulmate at a young age are what… 0.00001%? I've met many many people in my life, so did my boyfriend (and he knows thrice people than me), and even for the Catholic standards from my country, the number of people we've met that had a story similar to ours is NONE. It's no wonder really why so many writers write this ships so badly, and why the audiences of those stories cannot identify how awful those ships are. It's a fantasy scenario.

But I lived it, and I hate 99% of ships that fall into this trope because I consider they do a terrible job at depicting a reality that has been my normal day by day basis for the last 13 years. DickBabs is the worst of them all but in my eyes is just another example of why this shitty trope shoud burn in flames and never be used again, unless your typical writer actually tries to sit down for a minute and think about how humans behave and how human relationships work. You don't need to experience what you write in first hand to depict it well, you just need to be intelligent about it, do some proper research.

One day I'll write my own story featuring the childhood soulmates theme. It's going to be heavily based on my personal experience and it's going to bitchslap every stupid writer who ever wrote this trope as a bland boring idealized fantasy. It'll be the deconstruction of the childhood soulmates trope. I'll get to be the Latin American female version of Alan Moore!!!!1111oneone

But either way, I think it'd be nice if we stop mentioning DickBabs while talking about JayBabs. That ship is not a ship that has earned the status of relationship by the sweat and effort of countless writers that tried to make it work over the years like say, Clark and Louis. No. It's a Batwriter agenda shit. A retcon. The fact that it gets constantly shoved down our throats lately doesn't add any depth to that. It just makes it more forced and annoying. It really does not deserve the mention, unless it is to use it as a punching bag lmao.

Let's focus instead on why JayBabs has potential to be a great ship if it ever gets explored on the main continuity.

#asks #anti dickbabs #jaybabs

[randomlut]

Unpopular opinion : Canon wise, I like it better when Jason is Batman antagonist (Not in the villain way ofc, but more like UTRH way)

Yes, they used to be father and son but now they're not and that's why it's so tragic.

To force batfam concept when it comes to Bruce - Jason right now made no sense because Batman do hurt him a lot (and vice versa?) and then they have to reconcile just because "bat family" is silly for me because they haven't solve the main issue. Batman will never able to kill Joker, Jason will always be angry (rightfully so) that his killer is alive and his own father refused to avenged him.

Let them fight because their ideology is way too different. Let Jason be himself. Give Jason his independence and his values. Let them develop without each other and we don't have to repeat this cycle

(That being said, please don't make Jason a full villain like in the Battle of the Cowl or Tentacle Todd or Condom head Todd. Anything but that)

#jason todd #Red hood #anti - batfam #(?) #rant #3 jokers is actually pretty good for me #if only they don't do jaybab #it ruins everything

[some-bear-out-there]

Look I get that a lot of people are pissed at the JayBabs kiss, but please don’t tag your hate with JayBabs. Let us have our fun.

#barbara gordon #jason todd #jaybabs #anti tags exist for a reason