#anti jonathan byers

[clarkegriffins]

do u ever stop to think about this whole love triangle discourse and end up laughing bc there shouldn't be a discourse to begin with? like one boy wants nancy in his life and says that she's the most important part and the other boy looks like he's two seconds away from being put out of his misery because of his relationship with nancy to the point he's ghosting her and she thinks he's cheating. also do u ever think about how both of these boys talks about nancy? how they describe her? and the reasons they love her? how they see her?

first we have jonathan saying this:

first of all, i love his lack of energy go girl give us nothing (why he looks like he wants to d word, ur literally talking about ur girlfriend 😭) so, that's him saying all the reasons he loves her, and ofc we know that nancy is like that but why he's talking about her work ethic and not about her, like u should all read this post about how much nancy cares about other people and how being a reporter allows her to listen to other people's stories and help them, but jonathan only talks about that, work work work, how she behaves in work, how she is ambitious at work which we know she is, that's not a bad thing at all, i love how determined she is, how she works hard for that, it's actually one of my favorite traits of nancy, but i don't see people (and jonathan) talking about what drives that ambition forward which is helping other people, now going back to jonathan's speech which is even more ridiculous when we watched s3, because according to him he loves how hardworking nancy is, and yet:

wait a second, drop the story? i thought you loved how she's never done a single thing halfway in her life? and then:

anyways, that doesn't sound like someone who loves all these things he listed in season 4, now moving forward to steve, i was talking before how jonathan only said things about nancy's work ethic and not about her and what drives her forward but can u believe that steve does that? and not the fully developed steve in season 4, no, the s1 steve, the one who still messed up from time to time

i think it's very refreshing to see someone describing nancy and acknowledging how caring she can be, how she worries about other people, how she wants to help people, and he sees that, and this isn't even a big speech bc good knows narrative wasn't at their side in s1-s2, it's just crazy to me how there's scenes of nancy being there for jonathan in awful times (when will was being possessed, she held his hand, she was there, and yet not a single thing about that, about how much she's caring and protective) it's just sad bc do u see how she describes him? "caring, compassionate, protective, never back down from what's right (only when he wants to lie to her countless times i guess)" how could he not do the same for her? THE nancy wheeler who stood in front of A CAR to protect him and her friends when billy was about to crush her, and you know this isn't just an issue with jonathan, i feel like this is an issue with the fandom too, i feel like the fandom only seems to care about that side of nancy, like her career is the only thing she cares about and nothing more, and that's just isn't nancy wheeler, but then again, she's one of the characters people misunderstand the most in st (just like her brother, i guess is the wheeler's curse) we have 14 year old mike wheeler listing how much he loves el on her bad days, on her good days, with her powers, without her power, for exactly who she is, and all jonathan can say about his girlfriend is "she works 👍"

#stranger things #nancy wheeler #steve harrington #stancy #nancy x steve #anti jancy #anti jonathan byers #again not really bc i don't hate him #i just think his character is just a big mess and hell i don't see how the duffers can fix that with only one season left

[huntingpeople-savingsam]

So I know I’ve made a bunch of points already but this one just occurred to me. At the end of season 1 (mentioned by Nancy is season 2) after the teens fight the Demogorgan, Nancy says she waits for Jonathan, and when he doesn’t give any indication she should be, Steve is there and they reconcile and get back together.

Now something about that I didn’t notice back when I first saw season 2 and am really putting together now— Jonathan is annoyed that Nancy didn’t wait for him when he needed time with his family after Will was saved. And it’s understandable that the Byers needed time after all that they went through in season 1, but Jonathan is annoyed with Nancy when she tells him she waited for him, “Yeah, like a month.” Meanwhile….. Nancy lost and is still mourning Barb! And Jonathan doesn’t acknowledge that at all when he complains about Nancy not waiting longer before getting back together with Steve.

But Steve was there for Nancy as much as he could be after they reconciled with Barb’s death. He obviously messed up by being unwilling to break the NDA they signed to tell the Hollands what happened to Barb and from Nancy’s perspective and place in mourning feels unsupported by him because of this but let’s rewind a little.

What we are left to infer between seasons 1 and 2 is:

Nancy AND Steve are having regular dinners with the Hollands

Although Steve is somewhat reluctant, he still goes and is a polite and pleasant dinner guest

Nancy and Steve seemed to have an overall good relationship until the anniversary of Barb’s death was creeping up

They were planning couples costumes, going to dinner with the Hollands, Steve spends Christmas at the Wheelers house, they drive to school together, Nancy has been helping Steve with his admissions essay, they’ve been talking about their future, etc.

And when I was thinking about all that they’d done together after season 1, I considered how it might’ve gone if Jon was in Steve’s place.

Would he have gone to regular dinners with the Hollands? Would he have wanted to expose the Lab and everything with the Upside Down if Will hadn’t gotten pulled back in?

Just how annoyed he was when he said she only waited a month for him— while he was reconciling with his lost brother…. And Nancy and the Hollands were still mourning Barb who had died?

I’m not faulting Jonathan for needing time with his family after everything that happened, of course he did.

And I’m not saying Steve was #1 Boyfriend of the year just because he went to dinner at the Hollands' with Nancy

But I am saying that Jon gave next to no thought about how badly Nancy was doing after they fought the Demogorgan in season 1. And while she was mourning and needed someone by her side to face the Hollands and lie to them while mourning with them, Steve was there while Jon wasn’t and I think Jon probably wouldn’t have been if Nance had waited longer for him.

It’s a theme you see throughout this show, a little bit before but especially after Nancy finally blows up and gives Steve the “thump on his head” that he later thanks her for— Steve is there, Jon isn’t.

#I guess this is #anti jancy #stancy #I'm not anti this character at all but just in case this is interpreted as hate even though I totally understand why he needed time after s #anti jonathan byers #but again I'm really not anti jon just want to do my due diligence in tagging #also I worked on these gifs to make sure there was no flashing but just in case #tw flashing #flashing gif #tw flashing lights #my gifs

[stancyler]

when i was younger, first time watching stranger things i liked jonathan and didn't mind steve's character at all. when season 4 came out and i rewatched the whole show i realised i probably didn't know what jonathan did in season 1 was messed up. and yeah, steve was also in the wrong when he let his friends spray paint that nancy was a slut, but you know what the difference is? the same day they did that, steve realised he and his friends were being shitty, so he left them to erase the spray paint, he regretted it almost immediately after.

jonathan, on the other hand, was literally developing the pictures he took of nancy undressing in steve's room from the bushes... the day after taking them. at school. he didn't think he did anything wrong which is weird as hell. jonathan was gonna keep intimate pictures of a girl he didn't know and who had a boyfriend without their consent.

that's the difference between steve and jonathan. steve acknowledges his mistakes throughout the show. jonathan doesn't until nancy calls him out.

#stancy #steve x nancy #steve and nancy #steve harrington #nancy and steve #nancy wheeler #anti jonathan byers

[emilykinncy]

This video using Steve & Nancy as an example of positive 'consensual voyeurism' (she invites him to look at her take her shirt off) and the comments calling out what Jonathan did and that the show never addressed it properly 👏🏼👏🏼 "Unsettling implications" is so true, ST made a huge mistake including that scene if they wanted Jonathan to be a likable, underdog character and I hope how season 4 went indicates they are correcting their mistakes in having him "get the girl" after that nonsense. Nancy never should have dated him or even had anything but disdain for him in the first place. Meanwhile, they upped the creep factor when they brought Murray in to the plot forcing them together.

#stranger things #stancy #anti jancy #anti jonathan byers #steve harrington #nancy wheeler #steve x nancy #nancy x steve #will i get hate for this? possibly but idc I'm right #and so are the people in the comments argue with the wall

[ilovetwig]

It's so hot when men apologize for their mistakes without needing to be told and take accountability and don't make snarky comments or excuses in their apology and try to make things right and realize they shouldn't repeat the same mistakes. This is actually what makes Steve and Eddie so hot.

#stranger things #steve harrington #eddie munson #steddie #stancy #anti jancy #anti jonathan byers #someone should teach jonathan how to apologize properly #his apologies are so insincere #Steve and Eddie are hot boys

[thestobingirlie]

you’re dumb.

jonathan did violate someone’s consent like that. he violated steve, carol, tommy and nancy.

really don’t like the jump you made here from girlfriend to ownership.

it’s kind of disgusting that you’re trying to drag steve by saying he feels a sense of ownership over nancy because they slept together as if jonathan didn’t hide in the bushes and take pictures of her naked body. and then later explain to her that he knows her better than she knows herself. that she was just pretending and he was revealing the true her. that’s someone feeling a sense of ownership. that’s jonathan feeling like he has the right to take pictures of nancy naked without her permission and view them whenever he wants. it’s sexual assault, it’s a sense of ownership, and it’s sickening.

i need this fandom to stop trying to compare what steve did in s1 to the photos. because yeah, steve was a dick, but he could’ve said shit a million times worse than what he did in the show before i would ever think that’s worse than what jonathan did.

i really don’t hate jonathan, but the photos are so so foul. i hate the way the show treated them. and i hate the way the fandom just accepts this treatment with no critical thinking.

#steve harrington #nancy wheeler #anti jonathan byers #stranger things #my post

[thereisnolumos]

Jumping off that other ask about Jonathan... I hate when people act like Steve just assumed Nancy would pop out all those kids and abandon her career, when he didn't say that and reiterated that *Nancy* was the most important part of his dream future. Meanwhile Jonathan is actually assuming Nancy would drop everything to be with him and become his housewife, and cannot even be honest with Nancy about it. He's lying to her and prolonging their "slow mo break up" instead of just breaking up with her or at least being honest.

This! It’s as if we were watching a different show and scene!

First, if anyone would thrive being a stay at home parent it would be Steve, whose entire arc has been heavily focused on being a role model/parental figure to Dustin and the group. I can absolutely see it being his true calling in life. And he’d be Nancy’s greatest supporter in her career, always ready to listen to everything she has to say. And eager to share some new ABSOLUTELY AWESOME achievement their child made.

Second, there are more ways of becoming parents than just giving birth to them. And wouldn’t it be beautiful if they adopted/fostered children in need of a home and love? Especially with Steve’s parents being basically nonexistent in his life, and Nancy only recently starting to build a relationship with her mom, her father barely caring to be present?

Third, to all those who yell, that “Nancy never wanted a marriage like that!”: she never wanted and was terrified of having a marriage like her parents’. Where the couple doesn’t care of one another, where it’s obligation and not love that keeps them together. Where they don’t talk, don’t spend much quality time together. Where father barely notices children and barely pays them any attention and everything hangs on the mother. That’s not what Steve’s dream was about AT ALL! His dream was full of love, and time together. Of every memory being a happy one. Of a never ending care and honeymoon even. And to the “six nuggets” part - it was so clearly an exaggeration, how could anyone not see it? Steve is an only child of a really absentee parents. For him any family is a big one, really.

Actually, it was Jonathan who told her that her and Steve will end up the same as her parents. Jonathan the creep with a crush, who’s been taking photos of her in her underwear without her knowledge and consent. The same one who never talked to her before, doesn’t know Steve at all, and doesn’t have any relationships with anyone except for his family. I wouldn’t be taking such advice, really.

The main difference between Steve and Jonathan to me, is that Steve knows he has room for improvement, and he’s eager to better himself and change and grow, while Jonathan is convinced that he’s better than everyone because he’s “different” than them (not really), and he doesn’t even consider that he may need to grow and evolve at some point. He’s not breaking up with Nancy, because he doesn’t want to be a bad guy, so he cowardly waits until she breaks up with him, so he could be the hurt party. He gives a half-assed excuse for lying to her, that, once again, paints him as “the good one”, because he’s doing it “for her”. When actually he’s just a coward who can’t talk to her

#steve harrington #nancy wheeler #anti jonathan byers #stranger things

[dufrau]

hissing at that s5 render. if they stick nancy with jonathan all season like in s2 and 3 i am going to be so upset. the best part of s4 was nancy actually getting to interact with everybody and have friends 😭

#nancy wheeler #anti jancy #anti jonathan byers

[brekker-by-brekkerr]

people are acting like stancy being endgame would be the end of the world. when j*ncy is a relationship that began with j*nathan taking pictures of nancy undressed, which he then went so far as to develop...it’s so nasty and I still can’t believe they got together anyway. all they have is “shared trauma.” That’s all that holds their ship together, and guess what? all of the characters have shared trauma. i could keep going about all the reasons i don’t ship j*ncy, but there are plenty of posts out there that do that for me, and i think the him-taking-pervy-pictures thing is really valid enough reason to be anti j*ncy. 

but stancy. they were both so young and dealing with a lot of fricked up crap. both of them made mistakes. but they’ve changed a lot, and they’ve grown and matured and figured themselves out. i think two people can be unfit for each other at a time in their life (especially if, you know, you’re in a love triangle where the other person you’re into is someone who you keep being forced to spend time with so you have “shared trauma” and creepy old men telling you that’s love) and maybe it’s the wrong time, then grow on their own and come back together when they’re both in a healthier place. i think that’s beautiful. 

i still think nancy and steve are the most supportive of each other. and i’m so done with people being like “oh poor j*nathan this will hurt him he deserves nancy” but like. what does nancy get out of this relationship??? 

also people being mad that the everyone is “shoving” stancy together...it’s better than some random creepy old man telling them to hook up in his bunker like freaking murray did to j*ncy. this is different because it’s their friends (PEOPLE THEIR AGE) being like “hey we have eyes something is going on here my dudes.”

steve and nancy spent a very long time apart, and they’ve both changed a lot...it’s not something that’s coming out of left field and being shoved on us lol. it actually makes sense. people are too butt-hurt about j*nathan and j*ncy to see that. it bothers me how angry people are getting about the POTENTIAL of stancy (and not tagging posts appropriately but whatever) when it’s like. we’ve had to deal with j*ncy for three seasons basically. three seasons of this unhealthy relationship that started with j*nathan violating her privacy and never offering a true apology. great. but stancy is so offensive. okay yeah sure. 

#stancy #anti jancy #anti jonathan byers #stranger things #stranger things season 4 #stranger things season 4 spoilers #stranger things 4 spoilers #steve x nancy #nancy x steve #also im just really happy to see the ship i've been shipping forever but thought would never happen #have some glimmer of hope #so if people could stop being jerks about it that would be spectacular

[tea-time-with-london]

It genuinely pisses me off as a Robin fan when I see people say she would be best friends with Jonathan…like no she wouldn’t. Steve is her best friend. Steve. Not Jonathan, not Eddie, not Nancy. Steve.

Confession #54

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[clarkegriffins]

so, i think since s4 came out i saw maaaaaaaaaaaaaany posts saying nancy AND steve shouldn't be in a relationship, and i'm not gonna talk about that right now bc it's not my point, what is curious to me is that i never saw a post saying that jonathan shouldn't be in a relationship, and it got me thinking, does the fandom even listen to jonathan? like at all?

so in season 1 we have this scene:

which was supposed to "represent" stancy back then, even tho it's just assumptions since we never got the idea that stancy would ever be like ted and karen, they might had their problems back in season 1 and season 2 but not to the point that we think they would turn into nancy's parents, the show has been showing us how much steve loves nancy and that he would do literally anything for her, even breaking his own heart and letting her go, so no, not ted and karen at all, but i'm getting off topic let's go back to jonathan, this is what he thinks about nancy and steve's relationship, not very positive right? he scares her into thinking she's going to end up like her mom and how unhappy she will become.

and now we have this scene, present day:

now we're talking about his relationship with nancy, and oops, not very optimistic either right? this is basically what jonathan thinks of relationships, that no matter what they are always doomed, and how someone who thinks like that can be ready for a relationship? and i'm not even mentioning his thoughts about bob/joyce, his constant judgment over their relationship even tho bob was good for joyce, jonathan's beliefs about relationships are very tragic, i think not only about relationships, but life too, which leads to my second question: what can jonathan offer nancy? like really? i'm not talking about career or anything i'm talking about partnership, he's been ghosting nancy for a while now

to the point that she's considering he is cheating on her

just because he's too scared of telling her the truth, and i see people like: oh but he's protecting her bc just like he said "she would drop EVERYTHING to be with him" and i'm sorry but him assuming that she would leave her dream college for him is a bit too much for me, and it's crazy how no one talks about that, like nancy wheeler, our ambitious nancy wheeler, would literally drop her dreams just because jonathan is going to a different college? and no one from the fandom thinks it's a bit pretentious for jonathan to assume that? this is just an excuse for not telling her the truth, because if he told her the truth, it would lead him to also say what he thinks about their future together, which, in his opinion, is not a very bright future

and look at this, he also talks about kids and marriage, but for him it would end in a disaster, an unhappy marriage, just like ted and karen, totally different from what we saw in steve's dreams (a family with love, affection, who really enjoy each other's company, seeing the world with them, which, i think, it suits nancy traveling a lot since she wants to be a journalist) but this isn't about him, it's about jonathan, i see many people trying to say "oh but it's the trauma talking ok?" and yeah i could buy that, but i don't think trauma should excuse everything, so like nancy will have to spent her entire life fixing him? changing him? i think if u really want to be with someone you should fight for that, but that doesn't seem to be in jonathan's plans, right?

so again: how is he ready to be in a relationship? i think before anything jonathan should heal, this is what s5 should offer him.

#stranger things #stancy #bc i mentioned them #anti jancy #anti jonathan byers #not really no #i'm tagging just to be safe #sorry if there's any typo here i'm a bit sleepy kjgjkgns #nancy wheeler

[echoing-oursong]

“jonathan apologized to nancy” i don’t give a rats ass because it wasn’t sincere and he throws that back in her face the next episode. and i don’t give a rats ass cuz before that apology the duffers had nancy flirting with jonathan about the picture showing me that everyone thought it was okay in the writers room that jonathan took those photos and that he should be rewarding with flirting

#anti jancy #anti jonathan byers #stranger things

[endofbeginningmp3]

Fr I swear to god if Robin doesn't have Steve's back in s5. He deserves someone who is fully in his corner for once. It was already ooc for her to be so super nice towards Nancy in s4. Like s3 Robin would've never done this, especially because Nancy was so fucking mean towards her in the beginning. Just saying she would have cussed Steve out if he behaved like Nancy. This is the girl who held a grude because her crush was looking at Steve, she would side eye Jancy for Steve. I don't want any Jonathan Robin bestie moment, frankly I don't even want Steve and Jonathan be friends because the show just doesn't allow Steve to be angry at people anymore, even though they hurt his feelings. So yeah please bring back snarky Robin who defends Steve's honor because that's her best friend.

(I can guarantee you for Stonathan to work Steve will be the one doing the groveling so they can have a Steve has changed moment in the show like they always have to remind us. And no I don't want that at all)

Dear anon you just said everything I've been thinking and I'm glad to know that I'm not alone in this.

s3 Robin would have roasted Nancy and I would have LOVED every second of it. It would have been better if Nancy was the one who tried to be Robin's friend.

We were robbed off of that, so the least they could do is to bring back s3 Robin for Jonathan.

He needs some reality check and Robin would be the best choice for that :)) ( Or Erica!!)

The showrunners have this annoying habit of letting everyone walk all over Steve and I HATE THAT.

And I cannot stress this enough, I DO NOT WANT STEVE AND JONATHAN TO INTERACT AT ALL.

#steve harrington #robin buckley #anti jonathan byers #<- just in case #stobin #nancy wheeler #answered

[buffysummers]

lol at jonathan trying to discredit steve and nancy being like “actually, we aren’t going to do that bc he has grown so much” and jonathan being like “uh ok wtf just happened”

#anti jonathan byers #Stancy #stranger things #stranger things spoilers #st4 spoilers #dude a stancy endgame is approaching I can FEEL it #jonathan had the opportunity to be honest with nancy there about college and he chose not to tell her... #this moment coupled w nancy sticking up for steve!!!!!!! stancy is happening y'all it's happening

[mybackup-account]

Hehehe, sorry, not sorry, Johnathan

#stancy #anti jancy #nancy wheeler #steve harrington #anti jonathan byers #stancy endgame #got bored and decided to do this #and ta-dah!!!!

[thestobingirlie]

The whole thing with Steve breaking the camera, I agree with everything you said, but also, I will forever be screaming that Nancy wasn't the only one who was in those photos and wasn't the only one who had her privacy invaded.

She was the most violated, because of the type of photo taken of her. But Steve, Tommy, and Carol all had their privacy invaded because they never consented to having their photos taken and they weren't even aware of it. (Also- Barb never consented to having her photo taken. I think she gets overlooked in the conversation about the photos because she died, and the photo was what helped find out what happened to her.)

And Steve seeing that photo of Nancy, it was just him seeing his girlfriend's privacy being violated at an intimate moment. It was him being shown that someone in the woods behind his house could get a clear photo of the inside of his bedroom. That is incredibly invasive of his privacy.

(I sent the anon earlier about the photos/camera, talking about how Steve would have realized that someone in the woods could get a clear photo of the inside of his room.)

Another thing that is really annoying over the photos and the camera smashing, not only did Jonathan invade the privacy of like 4 people by taking those photos. He developed them in the school dark room, where anyone could, and someone did, see them.

What if it hadn't been that Nicole girl who was friends with Steve and Carol and Tommy, whose reaction was to tell them what she'd seen. What if it was someone who would have bad intentions with the photos. Someone that would blackmail them over it. Someone who would try to get that photo of Nancy, either for themselves or to make copies of it to sell, or just to spread around the school.

Nancy was so paranoid about people knowing she'd had sex with Steve, that scene at school the morning after, her saying it felt like everyone knew and was looking at her differently. Those photos make that point even worse, because there was the potential of it being spread around the school.

i think some people are just so tiktok brain dead that they don’t realise someone hiding in your garden and taking photos of you is violating. (and you’re so right. people forget that jonathan captured barb’s last moments. like yeah, it’s great that that photo helped them find the demogorgon, but that doesn’t mean it was okay)

i remember a little while ago we were talking about steve’s reaction to the photos and him calling jonathan a queer. and that it’s not a jump to think steve might have been worried that jonathan does this all the time. that he takes photos through steve’s bedroom window. and that he just got lucky that nancy was there. when steve could’ve been his target the whole time. it’s actually really interesting!! but regardless, steve has every right to feel violated by the pictures.

and yes!!! jonathan develops them that school! imagine if some creep took topless pictures of you and then printed them off at school. i mean, what the fuck? like, the photos are literally nancy’s worse fear come true. and the duffers don’t let her feel a single emotion about them.

#nancy wheeler #steve harrington #anti jonathan byers #i guess #stranger things #asks #anon