#anti lily orchard

[newbtheveryawesomeandkindanewby]

#anti vivziepop #anti hazbin hotel #vivziepop critical #hazbin hotel critical #anti lily orchard

[pale-foxes]

Some more stream clips 📣📣

Lily tries to act like she's a genius at competitive pokemon and gets angry when she fails.

At about 7:30, Lily and Mikayla battle and when Mikayla starts winning Lily rages quits and tells her to delete the stream so no one can see it 😜

Transcript Below 👇

Transcript

00:00 Lily: All right, just waiting for you now.

00:53 Mikayla: So many birds. It's birdemic.

02:48 Lily: Are you fucking kidding me?

02:53 Lily: Yeah, I got nothing. Lexyr and his fucking bulk. Don't apologize to me for fucks sake. What do you take me for?

03:36 Mikayla: Oh, that’s a lot of babies.

03:38 Lily: I know.

04:24 Lily: You wanna to go again, Mikay?

04:28 Mikayla: Almost done with my- almost done with my tea. Then I’ll be ready

04:51 Lily: Oh yeah, Mikay, don't reblog my streams in the future.

04:55 Mikayla: Oh, OK.

04:56 Lily: Yeah, because like, if I want to take them off Tumblr, I want to be able to take them off Tumblr.

05:01 Mikayla: Oh, gotcha. Understood.

05:16 Lily: Some of you guys clearly do competitive Pokémon like regularly and like. Don't challenge me if that's the case, cause you're not fun.

05:31 Lily: It's kind of hard to do something for a- it's kind of hard to do something for a laugh when you pull crap like that.

05:43 Lily: That’s twice now I've wanted to entertain the stream with something, and it just completely goes tits up. Because that's what I want to do, I want to entertain the stream.

06:19 Mikayla: Look at. Those are incompatible. Then why do you have them on the list. Oh, my goodness.

06:54 Lily: “Why have anything goes if you can’t mix up some moves?” Like I said, I'm just trying to do something funny.

07:04 Mikayla: Yeah. Okay.

07:21 Lily: You ready to go Mikay?

07:26 Mikayla: Don't worry, don't worry Wukong, you got this. You're still in this.

07:31 Lily: “Why don’t you just play a little cup if you're just doing baby?” Why don't you fuck off? Go bother someone else.

08:12 Lily: Oh, for the love of God.

08:15 Mikayla: Yeah, for some reason I'm locked to rock-

08:18 Lily: I'm not. I'm not doing this anymore.

08:28 Lily: For fucks sake, you have to switch to the other Firefox window.

08:45 Lily: Honey, delete the reblog.

08:47 Mikayla: Oh shit, sorry.

#lily orchard #lily peet #anti lily orchard

[dragynkeep]

So I’m curious if you don’t mind me asking, because I know you guys are pretty level headed, what it is Lily Orchard did that’s terrible? I tried looking in the tags once a while back and got hit with a lot of transphobia and someone saying they wanted to scalp her(which considering she’s indigenous was uh. A Lot), so if she’s done something worth avoiding I’d be down to listen.

i personally heard of lily orchard through the antisemitism from her in her criticisms of steven universe & calling it "nazi apologia" because rebecca sugar, a jew, dared to write a story through the jewish lense of forgiveness & growth.

there have been other things i've heard of but would have to go more in depth for but the nazi thing was enough to set my teeth on edge because it's such a common accusation against jews & it drives me insane. especially when she blamed it on being in a "nervous episode" like. bruh.

obviously people saying that they're going to physically harm her is also not okay like just drag down her ideas & her for being a goofy ass loser.

#anti lily orchard #ais.txt #answered #q #antisemitism /

[sjbattleangel]

Hey, Lily. I fixed your comic. Now stop being a brownfacing colonizer.

Also, funny how you claim to hate anime as "pervert-pandering pornography" yet the art style of your comic is very anime-esque.

#lily orchard #pokemadhouse #anti lily orchard #lily orchard critical #lily orchard is a hack #lily orchard is a bad writer #lily orchard is a colonizer #lily orchard is brownfacing #screw lily orchard #lily orchard is a racist

[samasmith23]

We need to talk about EssenceOfThought's ongoing bullying & slander campaign against Rachel Oates...

I normally don't make posts covering this kind of stuff since I mostly try to keep my Tumblr blog here relatively positive and cheerful. And I normally try to avoid YouTube drama in general. But recently I've become increasingly frustrated and angered by the behavior of a certain YouTuber whom I regrettably used to be a fan of awhile back known as "Essence Of Thought" (aka, Ethel Thurston), whom in the past 2 months has been continuously releasing multiple videos & shorts which slander and defame another YouTuber named Rachel Oates. I know that Rachel herself is currently trying to combat this situation and has even filed multiple claims against Ethel's videos, but I felt the need to try and show my support for Rachel by help signal-boost her story in response to Ethel's revived targeted harassment campaign against her.

Content Warning: Mentions of Transphobia, Cyberbullying, Self-Harm, Suicidality, and Child Abuse.

Also, while this post is going to be very critical of Ethel and her conduct, I will NOT tolerate any misgendering or deadnaming of her! Just because I think Ethel is a bad person does NOT excuse any transphobia that is directed at her, and I will immediately block and report anyone who engages in such reprehensible behavior!

Section 1: Confessions of a former fan, or my personal falling out with Essence of Thought

For those who are not aware, Ethel Thurston is a transgender atheist content creator who regularly produces video essays analyzing and criticizing TERFs and the broader far-right. This content greatly appealed to me as both a supporter of trans-rights and as someone who vocally opposes both TERFs and Neo-Nazis. However, exactly 1-year-ago I unsubscribed from Ethel's channel when she began made a series of videos accusing Lily Orchard of being a child groomer. While I do agree that Lily is an AWFUL person who has received multiple credible accusations of sexual abuse from both former partners and even her own younger sister Courtney, Ethel's videos which accused Lily of "grooming all minors in her audience" were actually heavily criticized by several former victims of Lily's abuse who have argued that the way Ethel & her editor "ABirdCalledLevi" (aka, Levi) presented their information against Lily was not only overly inflammatory, but only served to misrepresent and damage the testimonies of her other victims.

Specifically, critics like "Patchwork Heart" (aka, Shiloh Conner) took serious issue took issue with Ethel & Levi's constant liberal usage of the word "grooming" to describe Lily's actions towards individuals like Glade, who accused Lily of encouraging him on her Discord to watch a livestream where she repeatedly flashed her audience (Glade was still 17 at the time of this incident). Essentially Shiloh stated that while Lily was undeniably guilty of sexual harassment, neglectful misconduct, and indecent exposure, her behavior technically does not qualify as "grooming," since "grooming" is a term specifically meant describe the gradual breaking down of a victim's boundaries through manipulation and isolation from others (online it's usually conducted through private DMs rather than on public servers like Lily's channels). Furthermore, Shiloh and other fellow victim's of Lily's abuse also criticized Ethel & Levi's usage of the phrase "parasocial audience grooming" to argue that Lily was grooming her ENTIRE audience instead of individuals, as "parasocial audience grooming" is NOT a legally or medically recognized term, but was instead invented by the commentary YouTuber "Korviday" in 2020 to describe Shane Dawson's sexually abusive behavior towards several underage members of his audience. Essentially, it's impossible to groom an entire audience all at once since grooming is defined by the specific and deliberate targeting and manipulation of individuals in private or isolated settings with the intention of eventually sexually abusing them. But when criticized for the way they badly mishandled the testimonies of victims like Glade, Ethel & Levi instead doubled down by not only continuing to misuse the word "grooming" in their videos, but actively smeared and defamed their critics and other victims of Lily's like Shiloh as "abuse/groomer apologists.” Ethel even went as far as to compare Shiloh criticizing how she misrepresented Glade’s testimony to “defending Harvey Weinstein.”

Like... YIKES!

I'm not going to lie... when I saw the way Ethel & Levi actively bullied and slandered other victims of Lily Orchard, I was deeply disappointed and disgusted. While I was already starting to grow weary of Ethel's tendency to overly moralize in her arguments, and I knew she was unpopular in a lot of online spaces, for the longest time I tried to give both her and Levi the benefit of the doubt since I knew she had been harassed by TERFs like Graham Linehan past simply for being an outspoken non-binary trans-woman online. But the way Ethel bullied people like Shiloh Conner was simply inexcusable! And personally, I completely agree with Shiloh's criticisms against Ethel & Levi. Even though I dislike Lily Orchard and think that she's an abusive scumbag, spreading misinformation about issues as serious as CSA only serves to inflict further harm onto the people that Lily has hurt. Victims like Shiloh have very publicly stated that they either want their testimonies to be reflected as accurately as possible, or not at all. And I especially understand their concerns about misusing the word "grooming," especially because of how that word in particular has been so easily co-opted as an anti-LGBTQ+ slur by Republicans and the far-right in the past 2 years alone, which only serves to promote bigotry and obfuscate actual instances of child sexual abuse (Ethel claimed in their video that they "saw no harm in extending the definition of the word" BTW). Here's a link to Shiloh's video responding to Ethel if you want further details on the ways in which both she and Levi so badly mishandled the testimonies of Lily Orchard's victims BTW:

So how does Rachel Oates fit into all of this exactly? Well...

Section 2: Reevaluating Ethel's past conduct and the targeted bullying of Rachel Oates

Once I witnessed the ways in which EssenceOfThought bullied and smeared the victims of Lily Orchard's abuse, it honestly caused me to reevaluate and question a lot of their past content, especially because Ethel & Levi already had reputations of being overly inflammatory figures who've burned tons of bridges with lots of other leftist YouTubers. It was then that I was reminded of the biggest controversy Ethel's been involved in, and one I was only tangentially aware of before the Lily Orchard drama. That being Ethel's 4-year-long and currently ongoing defamation campaign against feminist and atheist British YouTuber, Rachel Oates.

The conflict between Ethel & Rachel all started back in 2019, when Rachel's friend and former atheist YouTuber "Rationality Rules" (aka, Steven Woodford), got into serious trouble when he posted a video arguing against the inclusion of trans-people in sports (which relied on heavily fallacious scientific data and even cited clips from Fox News, Ben Shapiro, and Joe Rogan). Unsurprisingly, the backlash against Woodford's video was enormous, and it even resulted in him being deplatformed from hosting a panel at an ACA conference in Austin, Texas that same year. However, a lot of Woodford's friends within the YouTube atheist community, including Rachel, argued that Woodford did not make his video out of intentional malice or bigotry, whilst fully agreeing that it was a terrible poorly-researched video that did serve to reinforce transphobic narratives even if it was unintentional. This led to Woodford not only delisting and demonotizing the original video, but also releasing both an apology and retraction video to try and help mitigate the damage his original video caused.

Ethel however, refused to accept Woodford's apology and retraction, and made several response videos accusing his apology of being fake and him continuing to spread transphobic misinformation. And while that's perfectly understandable if Ethel personally didn't find Woodford's apology to be adequate or genuine, where this crosses the line into unacceptable behavior is that Ethel then went onto repeatedly attack Rachel Oates simply because she was both friends with Woodford IRL and didn't want to get directly involved in the controversy. Essentially, Ethel is engaging in the "guilt by association" fallacy here. In actuality though, Rachel not only repeatedly stated that she disagreed with the content Woodford's original video and agreed that it was very bad and harmful, but that she is supportive of the trans community and felt unqualified to weigh in on the subject matter of trans-people in sports since she has barely any knowledge or interest about sports in general.

This response was not good enough for Ethel however, who instead misinterpreted Rachel's comments as a backhanded attempt at silencing Woodford's critics.

Things got even worse when a random fan messaged Rachel a screenshot taken from a private Facebook group from a trans-self-help group which compiled a list of public figures for the trans community to avoid following the Woodford controversy, and her name was included on that list. Rachel, not knowing that the list was from a private chat, immediately went on Twitter to defend herself, which led to Ethel accusing her of doxxing by publishing private information. This is in spite of the fact that not only did the screenshot already exist before Rachel discovered it, but she went out of her way to censor the names of the members of that Facebook group. Furthermore, Ethel had also blocked Rachel on Twitter which led to the latter asking some of her followers to show her what Ethel was stating about her so she could try to adequately defend herself, which in-turn resulted in Ethel accusing Rachel of sending her millions of followers to circumvent her block and harass her.

The situation escalated even further however, when Ethel posted a now infamous tweet to one of Woodford and Oates' friends' Lizzy Lang, not only described Woodford as a "violent transphobe intent on stripping away dozens of human rights,” but called Lang and others (presumably Oates) "members of Woodford's church a transphobia" before ending the tweet with the words, "do this world a favor and exit it."

That last line in Ethel’s tweet, “do the world a favor and exit it,” got a lot of people justifiably angry since it was very easily misconstrued as Ethel advocating for Woodford's defenders to commit suicide (she claimed it was meant to say “exit Woodford’s church of transphobia”). And while EoT later apologized and clarified the incredibly poor wording of that last comment, she still refused to apologize to Rachel after several months of targeted bullying and defamation. When Rachel saw the infamous tweet, it only served to amplify her pre-existing feelings of depression since she mistaken that tweet to be directed at her instead of Lizzy Lang. And a few days later, in an act of desperation Rachel posted an impromptu unedited video begging and pleading for Ethel to stop bullying her, not realizing that she was still badly bleeding from cuts on her arm due to feeling completely hopeless and isolated (Rachel already had a history of engaging in self-harm and cutting).

But not even Rachel engaging in self-harm nor her feelings of suicidality were enough to sway Ethel, who still continued to double-down on their harassment by arguing that Rachel "weaponizing self-harm, transmisogyny, and benevolent patriarchy," and was using "upper-class cis white woman tears" (even though Rachel has openly admitted to being lower-middle class). And to this very day, Ethel still continues to slander Rachel and falsely label her as a "serial transphobe" and "abuser" all throughout her videos, even going as far as to not only claim, "Rachel Oates' [abuse] was the second most psychologically destructive thing [she's] ever suffered, only being second to being raped as a child," but that she would rather relive her trauma of "being outed as bisexual, groomed at age 15, and sexually assaulted."

Seriously... FREAKING YIKES! Those are incredibly extreme and inflammatory statements to make! I do understand that Ethel is a CSA survivor (and on that level I 100% empathize with her because that is of course absolutely terrible and is one of the absolute WORST things anyone can suffer from), but claiming that someone circumventing a Twitter Block and or begging you to stop bullying her whilst feeling suicidal is even remotely comparable to “being raped as a child"?! That is so unbelievably insensitive on so many levels that I don’t even know where to start! It’s insensitive to not only Rachel herself, but to other CSA survivors as well since it trivializes their trauma! Ethel should know better than this!

Also, that screenshot of Ethel tweeting a link to a Guardian article discussing the weaponization of white woman tears? That was literally the top pinned-tweet to her Twitter account immediately days after Rachel posted that desperate video of her pleading to Ethel to stop her harassment campaign whilst feeling suicidal. What a truly vile and unempathetic thing for Ethel to do!

Section 3: Showing support for Rachel Oates

After I did more research into the whole EssenceOfThought Vs. Rachel Oates situation, as well as hearing Rachel's side of the story, I ended up subscribing to Rachel's YouTube channel and have since become a fan of her work. Before I eventually unsubscribed from Ethel's channel due to the way she similarly bullied several of Lily Orchard’s victims, I was given the impression by her that Rachel Oates was just another garden-variety TERF YouTuber based on he way Ethel constantly talked about her. But that’s NOT accurate at all… Rachel's channel from what I’ve seen is mainly just about discussions of secularism and religion, feminism, book reviews, and cute dog videos!

Seriously, her dog Kyra is so FREAKING adorable!

Look at her! Kyra's such a good girl! She's such a cute doggy!

But yeah, this is a prime example of how Ethel’s pattern of engaging in bad-faith moral absolutism while misrepresenting events and evidence can be seriously damaging to uninitiated viewers. And I say that not only as someone who was largely unaware of the full extent of what she had done to Rachel, but also because Ethel frames her content in a very pseudo-academic/intellectual manner and uses a lot of professional sounding words to try and disguise severely misguided and inflammatory arguments. She tries to portray her YouTube videos as if they’re akin to college-level essays with lots of citations and crap, which can easily fool people into thinking that her content is well-researched and sophisticated. Except looking below the surface, in hindsight Ethel’s videos are mostly just pretentious word-salad, cherry-picking evidence, and relying heavily on academic terminology in order promote her thinly-veiled absolutist black-&-white views on morality, attacking anyone who is “not progressive enough” for her (in addition to Rachel, Ethel & Levi have also done this to other leftist YouTubers like Lindsay Ellis, Philosophy Tube, & Suris the Skeptic). According to Ethel’s logic, you’re either an entirely good or entirely bad person, and there’s zero in-between and if you dare disagree with her to even the slightest degree then she’ll automatically consider you to be just as bad as the far-right. Basically, it’s moral absolutism.

All of Ethel’s fallacious claims against Rachel Oates are textbook examples of bad-faith moral absolutism, and I deeply regret the fact that I was ever once a fan of Ethel’s content. She is a bully and a liar. And that’s a conclusion I arrived to after seeing how Rachel’s stories about being repeatedly slandered & bullied by Ethel heavily paralleled the similar experiences of individuals like Shiloh Conner, thereby revealing a pattern of toxic behavior on Ethel’s part.

Section 4: Ethel’s renewed and current bullying campaign

So why do I bring all of this stuff up?

Well, even though the worst of the harassment Rachel suffered was back in 2019 and she has since tried to move on from this whole fiasco and continues making her usual feminist book reviews and dog videos (she even deliberately avoids mentioning EssenceOfThought by name in her videos...), Ethel has not only repeatedly tried to drag all of this drama back up, but has this singleminded obsessive vendetta to defame and destroy Rachel's YouTube career at all costs. For instance, in 2022 Ethel tried to further slander Rachel by yet again engaging in "guilt by association" fallacy because notable transgender TERF YouTuber "Rose of Dawn" (aka, the British equivalent of Blaire White) once tried to befriend Rachel in 2020 after the initial harassment campaign by Ethel, and later in 2022 Rose openly defended self-confessed genocidal serial rapist Lily Cade when the latter was platformed in an infamous transphobic BBC article. What Ethel completely neglects to mention however, is that Rachel had permanently stopped interacting with Rose when several members of her audience informed her that Rose is actually a TERF (and the way Rose suddenly tried to befriend Rachel after Ethel's bullying of her strikes me as very cult-like since TERFs sadly do have a history in engaging in incredibly abusive cultish tactics to recruit new members, as many people who have escaped that disgusting hate movement have reported...) and she has since apologized for ever giving Rose any attention. Regardless, Ethel still tried to falsely implicate Rachel alongside "Rose of Dawn" in a video condemning Lily Cade & the BBC, which led to Rachel rightfully filing a defamation claim to YouTube, getting Ethel's then-latest slanderous hit-peace against Rachel blocked in the UK.

But even worse however, is that starting in August 2023 Ethel has begun releasing a constant stream of videos continuing to smear Rachel even further by both repeating all of the exact same aforementioned slanderous claims along with a whole bunch of new ones. Like, not only has Ethel already released 3 main videos out of a planned 6-part series ranting about Rachel Oates, but she has also released 24 shorts taken from the main videos!

Geez! Not only is this beyond obsessive, but this is just straight-up targeted bullying and harassment on Ethel's part! And the new claims she makes against Rachel in these videos are equally slanderous as the ones before! For just one example, Ethel & Levi’s cite a now-deleted livestream of Rachel's that they re-uploaded as a mirrored-copy to their channel, accusing Rachel of denying trans-women's existence by making the offhanded comment of, “No, the only thing a man can provide me that a woman can’t is a p*nis. Only thing.”

Except… I actually went and watched the ENTIRE 3-hour mirrored livestream myself just to see the full context of Rachel’s quote, and it turns out that Ethel took that quote completely out of context! Not only are there lots of points in the livestream wherein Rachel repeatedly states that “gender is a social construct and that trans and non-binary people exist,” but during the stream she's doing a counter-response to a Christian fundamentalist incel who once responded one of her earlier videos. And that potentially problematic quote of Rachel’s, “No, the only thing a man can provide me that a woman can’t is a p*nis. Only thing,” was actually a sarcastic response to the incel’s homophobic argument that “women don’t want to love their equals [(aka other women)] because they actually all want what only a [dominant alpha male] can provide them.”

Essentially, Rachel was criticizing the incel’s sexist & homophobic “logic” that, “all women secretly only want p*nises,” in a snarky & sarcastic manner, but Ethel took Rachel’s comment out of context to try and instead paint it as some transphobic-slip-of-the-tongue/TERF-dogwhistle, accusing Rachel of “completely ignoring the existence of non or pre-op trans women,” in order to try and support the fallacious argument that, “Rachel Oates doesn’t actually view trans women as real women, but instead as props to objectify in order to make herself look like a better ally.”

Not once does Ethel ever mention the context that Rachel was responding to & mocking a bigoted incel during the livestream... at all...

I don't have time to go into all of the other new lies that Ethel & Levi are currently spewing against Rachel Oates since this post has already gotten incredibly lengthy (for instance, Ethel also claimed that Rachel “downplayed JK Rowling’s transphobia” simply because she used the words “incredibly problematic” to describe the Queen TERF’s bigoted views; which is such a weak and pedantic argument), but it’s a whole lot…

Conclusion

Overall, I just wanted to bring attention to this situation because EssenceOfThought's harassment campaign against Rachel Oates has been ongoing since 2019 and it shows ZERO signs of stopping anytime soon. Ethel & Levi are serial bullies and liars who regularly engage in bad-faith arguments, misrepresent evidence, and engage in moral absolutism in order to paint anyone who disagrees with them or makes even the slightest mistake as the worst people imaginable. So the more people who are made aware of this mess, the better.

Please show support for Rachel, whether that be through signal-boosting this post, subscribing to her YouTube channel, or even donating to her Patreon if you so choose.

And to EssenceOfThought, aka Ethel Thurston, (along with her editor Levi...) specifically, the famed basketball player Michael Jordan would have some choice words for you:

And I mean that sincerely. Seriously... just stop this targeted bullying & slander campaign against Rachel. It's incredibly unhealthy and obsessive. Just let it go already...

#rachel oates #EssenceOfThought is a bully #EssenceOfThought is a liar #EssenceOfThought is a moral absolutist #cw: cyberbullying mention #cw: self-harm mention #cw: suicidality mention #cw: child abuse mention #lily orchard is a predator #anti lily orchard #mini essay #tangent #serious post

[gritsandbrits]

Lily slander//

Ok can i just talk about how badly written Darth Amorosa was? She's a slavery apologist even tho she's canonically black and the slavery in SW is not the same racially motivated kind like irl, was a constant asshole to everyone yet had the nerve to lecture the jedi on their failings, force lightnings an elderly lady over a throwaway comment (said lady is freaking Princess Leia btw) and kills random people on the assumption that they're slave owners without any real proof.

When she wasn't trying to outdo Palpatine in being the worst person in the galaxy, she gets coddled by Rey, a white woman. Rey ends up being her savior and that's her entire arc. Rey isn't even allowed to be mad when she finds out her love interest's mama was a slaver. Even her sith name is only really a show of her role of being a love interest for Rey and despite being the antithesis of Kylo Ren she pretty much acts like him.

Like the idea of a sith questioning their ideology & realizing true balance of the force is a cool concept, but it's wasted on narrative that refuses to challenge the MC and allow growth.

#anti lily orchard #the sith resurgence #tsr critique #i have similar issues with Hazbinverse & Lore Olympus

[starlight-bread-blog]

Tw: Grooming

Why do we still care what LilyOrchard says? She's a groomer.

The reason why she keeps posting these Steven Universe videos are made to keep her community loyal and close so she could groom them on a parasocial level and on a personal level. Maybe the videos are stupid, but who cares about the contents of them? They're a device to attract minors.

(Exposes on Lily's predatory behavior).

#tw grooming #tw parasocial grooming #tw predator #steven universe #anti lily orchard #lily orchard critical

[ringleader-inky]

Things that don't make sense in poke-madhouse part 1?

So... I haven't posted on this site in a hot minute. (college be damned) So I'm making up for that now. I might make post like these where I rant and rave about poke-madhouse and how bullshit the plot points are. As well as dunking on Lily. So if you're interested in this please let me know. Anyways one thing of that I've noticed that has always kinda aggravated me about poke-madhouse; is that Lily claims that the gardevoir line is an endangered pokemon and the rarest. When other pokemon exist and fit the bill better than gardevior ever could. Pokemon such as Deino and Lapras. Lapras because back in the red and blue entries it makes note of how they was an endangered species. And even in sun and moon it mentions on how it was near extinction, but because of protective regulations there's been an overpopulation.

And Deino because the thing's blind and it's dex entries makes note on how it'll ram and bit into anything. Causing it to have multiple wounds and bruises. You could easily spin that into Deino's falling off cliffs, eating poisonous berries, or just dying because it encountered a strong pokemon.

But no the most endangered species in pokemon was the psychic type that can sense a person's intentions, could teleport, and also doesn't have any disabilities to hinder it's survival.

#pokemon #poke madhouse #madhouse #anti lily orchard #lily orchard #lily orchard critical #lily peet #lilyorchard #inkyrants #idk how to tag this #idk what else to tag

[djinarocks]

As well as being an abusive piece of crap, Lily is much more worse... https://www.tumblr.com/sjbattleangel/746063490123431936/skibot99-cassandra-nya-is-a-card-carrying

While l am pretty much aware of the true nature of Lily Orchard, l didn't know that she was that much of a monster!

Lily Orchard is nothing but an abusive, pompous and cruel womanchild and monster!

I apologize for my rant, l just wanted to get this rock out of my shoe.

#ask answered #anti lily orchard

[blackcur-rants]

So I pre-watched Lily Orchard’s “Top five best, worst, and blandest episodes of The Owl House” and this line just, pisses me off so freaking much.

“Around the time Dana decided she wanted the show to be Amphibia, there arose a conundrum that, unlike Amphibia, The Owl House was actually written very well, and so there wasn’t a lot to reveal that the audience couldn’t infer on their own”.

Cause yeah Lily, you’re right. “Amphibia” isn’t written all that well…except for the really powerful themes of change and growth and personal evolution. And the beautifully done portrayal of a toxic friendship slowly becoming more loving, warm, and healthy. And the strong arcs given to even tertiary characters like Tritonio and Wally and General Yunan (Scourge of the Sand Wars! Defeater of Ragnar the Wretched! And the youngest newt ever to achieve the rank of general in the Great Newttopian Army!). And one of the best-written antagonist characters in an animated show. And the spectacular world building of Amphibian society that’s done in a brilliantly casual and clever way.

And then there’s her continued bizarre grudge against Hunter. When the hell is that kid ever the Generic Angsty White Boy #780000000000? He’s like, still a big lovable doofus who gushes over not!Star Trek and adores his Palisman in “Thanks to Them”. He’s just dealing with a lot of difficult emotions because…well…everything. And like, Lily, do you just hate it when characters express grief or other “angsty” emotions even when it’s made very clear that those emotions are not the only things going on in their lives at the moment? Cause you act as if all Luz does in the show post-“Elsewhere and Elsewhen” is angst and be sad, when that really isn’t true in the slightest.

@lady-asteria @disregardcanon

#Lily Orchard critical #anti Lily Orchard #The Owl House #Amphibia #Luz Noceda #Hunter Owl House

[themoonking]

lily orchard does this super cool totally not dumb as shit thing where she doesn't understand metaphor and symbolism and needs things to be as spelled-out and literal as possible to like them, but also when something is surface level and just there to be cool she gets upset

#the themes are 'buried under the symbolism' ??? as if the symbolism isn't there to bolster the themes #but also if the character has a cool scythe just to have a cool scythe and not for any deeper reason that's unaccepable #i speak #anti lily orchard

[dragynkeep]

Different anon, My only irritation with Lily Orchard’s fics is that these days she’s very much in the “you only write sex scenes because you want to get off to them, which is bad” camp. She once posted a huge “tips for writing” thread on Twitter that was just a lot of policing and “enemies to lovers is bad actually”. But I do genuinely despise her for calling a Jewish person a nazi sympathizer, flashing her twitch audience during a Pokémon playthrough - a game well known to attract a young viewing audience - and her harassing and attacking artists

yeah this seems to be the consensus i've seen is that the content of what she writes isn't the issue but it's her hypocrisy which is completely understandable. she seems like she has that standard anti mindset of "this is awful! (gets caught with a shit ton of dead dove nsfw in their twitter likes)" lmao

she flashed her twitch audience omg 😭 does twitch even have an age verification for streams because that's just so irresponsible?? & yeah she's going straight to hell for calling a jewish person a nazi fr.

#anti lily orchard #ais.txt #answered #antisemitism /

[ultraericthered]

So, I came across this Pokemon post on here earlier today....

It's interesting how the quality of Pokemon's villains is in inverse proportion to the amount of dialogue they have.

Oh really now? 

Giovanni was a compelling villain because he was simple. He's a crime boss. He wants to treat Pokemon badly for financial gain. Simple, straightforward, and your conflict with him is primarily because he is directly in your way at different points of your journey.

Giovanni's Dialogue in Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow? 250 Words

Uh, Giovanni was not a very compelling character in the original Red/Blue/Yellow, and he gets a lot more dialogue in the remakes (FR/LG and Let’s Go Pikachu and Eevee) as his character has gotten more fleshed out, so I’m not really sure this really holds up.

Maxie and Archie started the trend of ham-fisted philosophy and are almost charmingly stupid in how they don't understand the danger they're about to unleash until it's too late and you get to feel smug about it.

Maxie and Archie's dialogue in their respective games? About 800 words.

Again, Emerald and OR/AS are a thing to be factored in here as well.

Lusamine is about as "middle ground" as you can get, at least having a mostly personal story without any ham-fisted pretenses to idealism. She's just a controlling mother with empty nest syndrome, and that works. She'd be more interesting if the player was playing AS Lillie or Gladion, but whatever.

Lusamine's Dialogue in Sun/Moon? 1,300 words.

And what about Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon?

Lysandre is where shit gets obnoxious. He doesn't even know what he's trying to do. Nobody in Team Flare knows. Their motivations shift constantly almost trying to emulate Team Rocket and Team Magma simultaneously.

Lysandre's Dialogue in Pokemon X/Y? 1600 Words

I actually agree completely about Team Flare, but Lysandre knew exactly what he wanted to achieve - use the Ultimate Weapon to decrease the amount of human and Pokemon life in Kalos and possibly beyond so that all the “filthy parasites” who take, waste resources, and make the world uglier are erradicated and only the chosen true elite are spared so that they can set up the new order over an “eternally beautiful” world. It’s insane but pretty clear.

Ghetsis is arguably one of the worst, because most of what he says ends up being a complete and total lie and he's just a Saturday Morning Cartoon villain because Game Freak was afraid players might actually start questioning the ethics of Pokemon battling.

Ghetsis' Dialogue in Pokemon Black/White? 1800 Words

But...that was the whole point? That Ghetsis was a narcissistic megalomaniac and a charlatan who used a seemingly just cause such as examining the ethics of Pokemon battling and making corrections if need be in order to consolidate power for himself and disarm the masses so that none would stand in the way of him propping up a new regime over the world? Other members of Team Plasma weren’t lying when they claimed to be championing the freedom and well-being of Pokemon and standing against the whole Pokemon trainer system, but Ghetsis was knowingly using, decieving and exploiting those people and their beliefs through a ruse of believing in the same ideals as them. And that is scarily realistic, as so many instances of similar evil in modern politics has shown us.

Cyrus is the single most Black and White, evil for evil's sake villain in the entire series. He's the kind of character people imagine Giovanni to be because the mafia's pursuit of money and riches apparently isn't noble and obtuse enough to be considered a motivation. Cyrus waxes poetic about the world being terrible, but everything he says just flat out isn't true and not even in the misguided way like Maxie or Archie. He's just out of his mind being cruel for cruelty's sake.

Cyrus' Dialogue in Pokemon Platinum? 1900 Words

OK, this person has got ZERO reading comprehension if they came out with this blatantly false take. Cyrus waxes poetic about the world being in a state of decay and being made terrible because of human nature, or “incomplete spirit” of “the weak, faulty human heart” as he calls it. He seeks to destroy the existing world in order to do a total purge and reset button/system restore on all of reality, envisioning his new world to be a superior version of the old one he tore down in order to bring it into being - a world without spirit holding back any living being of living and functioning to their fullest potential. Yes, the man is out of his mind, but he thinks that by breaking the universe as is, he can fix it. And he is far from the cruelest of Pokemon villains, nor is any cruelty in his actions the point. In Platinum, US/UM, and especially in Pokemon Masters, Cyrus is a deep, properly motivated character far beyond what Giovanni in the original Gen 1 games was.

N is even worse because he waxes poetic about his ideals regarding ethics in Pokemon Battling, but it's an ideological dead end because the game never once challenges the player to consider what he's saying and contrives a reason for all his goals to fail, and his ideals are built off a faulty premise that Game Freak only entertains out of the illusion of a deeper story that ultimately reassures the player that they're already doing the right thing. Pulling the same con they did with Ghetsis but with even more dialogue and more interruptions and more wasting the player's time on a premise that you were never expected to take seriously. Game only wrote N's story because they were salty about PETA trolling for attention.

N's Dialogue in Pokemon Black and White? 2700 Words, oh my god somebody get a ballgag for this kid!

And here’s the final coup d’grace of bullshit. N dislikes Pokemon Battling and seeing his friends get hurt, but also understands that it’s in a Pokemon’s nature to want to fight, so he allows it when he feels it necessary or unavoidable. What he truly hates is the system of Pokemon training and how humans exploit Pokemon for research, sport, entertainment, menial labor, keeping them as pets or in Safari Zone zoos, etc. He hates Poke’ Balls, which is why he never uses them to catch any Pokemon himself - his team is different each time he’s battled. And the thing is? In B2W2, he has not changed this view. He and the remnants of Team Plasma who follow him now are still striving to make a world where Poke’ Balls and such things are not needed, and Pokemon can co-exist alongside humans without any exploitation or abuse from humans. What he’s learned is that he shouldn’t instinctively reject views and ideas about Pokemon that differ from his own, and should not try to force everyone else into accepting his views and ideals as the One And Only Truth. Gen 5 did have a deeper story that gave players plenty to think about, but this yahoo is among the whingy, pretentious lot who just didn’t get it.

Who does this person think they are, anyway? What do they call themsel...

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It is… SO weird to see Lily Orch/ard fans in the modern day

#youtuber crit #anti lily orchard #beyond the fact she just. isnt good at reviewing things shes also done some heinous shit #unless ur like 13 idk why you’d follow her #sorry im not talking about cartoons ive been writing up a lil essay thingy i mighht share that soon

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More stream stuff

Basically Lily is writing a script and Mikayla is being quiet. Lily asks if she's okay and Mikayla responds but she's obviously tired. Then Lily asks if Mikayla wants to go leave the stream and go to sleep. Mikayla wants to go to sleep and asks Lily if she minds.

Instead of responding normally, Lily gets pissed at Mikayla for asking that. Lily says now that Mikayla asked that she's gonna get anons in her inbox about it.

Yeah, Lily's gonna get people in her inbox because Mikayla asked a question, not because of her major overreaction to said question.

#lily orchard #mikaila orchard #anti lily orchard

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Since I don't want to link it back to two scenarios so...um...immediate, I'll just say; the "Suffering just makes you hurt"-mantra is one I def subscribe to in day to day life, even in small, trivial' things like fandomwars.

I had a person get pissed at me once cuz I defended antishippers. They explained and showed me how they'd been harassed and abused by antis for no reason other than calling themselves a proshiper - no, NOT for actually liking anything with r@pe/cest/p3doshipping - just Reylo *in theory*. They got treated like a literal predator not for anything they actually did but for the title that genuine creeps have decided to use for their kink as this person did for their safe shit and they got blasted for it....and then this person proceeded to call me a cword and accused me of condoning their abuse by proxy of me saying " I don't think antis are inherently evil, actually".

I get it. When you put up with harassment from people touting their selfdeclared fandomom as some kind of badge of honor, of COURSE I understand turning your back on everyone who calls themselves that same thing! That's just, like, a survival instinct. You don't want to be reminded of your tormentor(s) because you really shouldn't have to be reminded of your tormentor(s) while you're browsing fandumb inbetween school or work. You want to keep your tormentors at bay so no triggering shit ppl are romanticizing or covert bigotry someone's hiding under the language of criticism to get in the way of your vibes when this is your fandom and your space to be creative and unwind and be you. I really get it.

The problem is, and the reason I DON'T put up with antianti or antiproshipper shit, that's labeling a whole lot of strangers inherently bad over not having the exact fandom takes and conflating that with your legitimate ethics of outing predators and bigots...THAT is what's shitty.

I know for a fact that not all the people who tag their shit #proship even fully agree on what proship means. I know they are not all predators or even don't care about predators being in their fandoms. Trust me, they care. Some of the #antiship folks I know are the most lax mf w it comes to content warnings, horror, kinks and nuance and also really hate call out posts and want to avoid them as much as they can. I know they are not all self-righteous prudes and bigots trying to get kink out of pride or some shit. THAT SAID- if I haven't already seen creepypredatorybs from proshippers or bigotedbully-tactics from antis, I can definitely believe those things exist in those spaces. But again, those behaviors exist whether or not a person uses these self-given labels. You shouldn't throw your hands in defeat anymore then your shouldn't declare yourself the sole liberator.

Blocked the proshipper-stan I was of talking about because I kind of don't like being called a cant and told I'm okay with death threats...just like I did the antishipper who was sending me death threats that same day =). I know I don't have to deal with that bs and I'm glad I took that advice from a mutual abt my own personal boundaries.

Call out shitty behavior all you want, but the absolutist-rhetoric is not healthy and, more importantly, not doing anything to help people being abused by fandomculture anymore than you were when you first got accosted for disliking a thing that made you upset/liking a thing that made someone else upset. You gotta share your fandom with everyone so long as they're not bigoted, abusive or predatory. And yeah, I kind of reserve all those notions for people I can tell ARE doing those things...so, y'know Lily Orchard.

#why can't we be friends #profandom #antifandom #fandom discourse #ship discourse #anti lily orchard #lily orchard