#anti lyanna stark

[thewitchqueenofharrenhal]

*logs back in after hiatus*

*sees that people on this site still can’t be normal towards Elia of Dorne*

When will the Rhaegar stans leave Elia aloneeeeeee. Also extra points to the Lyanna fans constantly insecure over Elia of Dorne.

#anti asoiaf fandom #anti rhaelya #anti lyanna stark

[tvsandmovies]

Lyanna didn't want to marry Robert because he is unfaithful, but it is okay for her to marry another unfaithful man who abandoned his wife and children.

#anti lyanna stark #anti rhaenyra targaryen #Anti Lyanna x Rhaegar #Got #game of thrones #Asoiaf

[infinitestalia]

That GRRM quote about Elia at the Harrenhal tourney stiffening her back and trying to act strong like everything was ok. Yea, Bobby B caving Ratgar's chest in and Jon Snow taking Lyanna out when she popped him out isn't enough, I need both Ratgar and his white trash sub 70 IQ teenage mistress/incubator resurrected so the entirety of Dorne can beat their asses. The uwu support all women Stark stans deluding themselves that Lyanna wasn't complicit can ignore this ask btw! and cope!

God, I remember when I found that quote on the artist's website, me and the 7 other Elia fans on here were fighting for our lives against the absurdly popular narrative that she would have been okay with the most humiliating moment of her life. That diseased rat disgraced her in front of every damn house in Westeros, while she was likely pregnant with Aegon- Robert cracking his chest open like a Christmas walnut isn't even enough for that insult, let alone everything that followed.

The show versions of those two dickheads need to be resurrected every three business days and get their asses beat by the whole realm, Dorne ain't enough. They were the most evil mfs I have ever seen (cause the deaths of thousands, Elia & her kids slaughtered like animals and then taking Aegon's NAME for their love child, before his brains had dried off the walls??) and the show didn't even care. The only good they ever did was finally opening people's eyes to how awful their shitty "love" story was and casting a Rhaegar that wasn't even good enough to pass for a peasant in Fleabottom.

With the books, it's fuck Rhaegar to kingdom come, there's no narrative that can absolve him. Lyanna won't be reprehensible like she was in the show, but isn't it funny how the same crowd who blamed Sansa for everything at 11 and consider Robb a man grown who should have known better at 14, absolve her of any responsibility because she was 15? Robb did far, far less and is universally considered at fault, even by those who like him. She's praised as so mature for knowing Robert will cheat on her and won't tolerate his bastards, so she decides she'll help inflict even worse on another woman, where she suddenly doesn't know better? Dfkm. It's on Rhaegar but nobody's ever gonna force me to pretend I care about either of them.

#anonymous #elia martell #anti rhaegar targaryen #anti rhaegar stans #anti Rhaegar #anti rhaegar x lyanna #anti lyanna stark #don't care cry somewhere else

[melodymidway]

Of course, Team Black women are glorified as amazing rebellious girlbosses who can do nothing wrong while dutiful Alicent is the villain of the story. Haven't we seen it already? After all, the very same HBO and fandom didn't give a damn about feminine Elia Martell who did her duty as a Crown Princess almost at the expense of her life while worshipping tomboyish Lyanna Stark who eloped with a married father of two young children.

#alicent hightower #anti team black #elia martell #anti lyanna stark #got/asoiaf #hotd #anti hbo #anti hotd fandom

[martellspear]

i think i'm losing my mind i think i'm going to m8rder a person and then myself i don't know (just saw l*anna naming jon as aegon)

#i hate that scene more than anything #it makes me want to scream and cry and kms #anti lyanna stark #anti lyanna x rhaegar

[chrkrose]

Ok I have to ask: what do you think of my comparison of Rhaegar and Lyanna to Wickham and Lydia?

Oh please point me out to the post, I haven’t seen it. I’d like to read it :D

I can see it. I don’t know which points you were specifically tying between the two, but I can see.

The way I see Rhaegar and Lyanna, I believe she was desperate to run from something she knew was coming (her marriage to Robert), and clung to any excuse to try and prevent that (pointing out his cheating and womanizing behavior for example, even though I don’t think that was really the problem. So much so that Miss Lyanna ran away with a married prince. The problem was that she didn’t like Robert, had zero romantic inclinations towards him and was probably repulsed at the thought of marrying him). I do think she might have thought Rhaegar was really “in love” and jumped at the opportunity to be saved by a handsome prince. I believe she might have thought herself to be in love with him when he started wooing her, she was young and a bit naive probably, and it was easier to justify her actions to herself if she told herself she loved him. But I think her main drive was always running away from Robert, and she didn’t think things through when she chose to go with Rhaegar. I believe at some point she realized the mistake she made and how she was very much not being saved by a handsome prince whatsoever, but then it was too late.

Now Rhaegar… unless George proves me wrong (and even then I won’t accept it lol), to me he was as mad as his father, just in a different way. A less violent way. An “obsessed with prophecy” kind of way. I don’t think for a moment he ever loved Lyanna. I think he manipulated her, tricked her into thinking he was doing what he was doing for love, but everything he did was driven by his belief in the prophecy. I don’t think he ever planned to marry her (that’s show invention), never planned to disinherit his first born, never planned to end his marriage. He was not worried about politics when it came to Lyanna and the baby he would conceive one way or another, he didn’t care about her reputation or that the baby would be a bastard, he was thinking about saving the world and how he was building the way to that. He had main character syndrome. He knew he was going to cause a major headache to the realm, but he thought he had plot armor and things would fix itself because he was the chosen one (and he believed in that until the end. Because once he accepted he wasn’t the prince that was promised, he just shifted to believe he was going to bring life to the prince that was promised, so he was still very much important and central to the story in his mind).

As you can see, I very much do not like this ship lol.

#anti rhaegar targaryen #anti lyanna stark #anti rhaegar x lyanna

[helaenasaegon]

Question: Am I supposed to like Rhaeger? He destroyed his entire family and got most of them murdered, his little siblings then suffering as impoverished orphans constantly outrunning death, just so he could get with some chick who... did he even know Lyanna well? Also, fuck Lyanna, too! I don't wanna hear "She was only 16, UWU." That's, like, 24 in Medieval years! They both should've known better. 😒

I know many people subscribe to the "Rhaegar kidnapped and raped Lyanna" story, but I personally don't believe that, and I never have, even before GoT went with them being "in love." I'm not going to take the Starks' word on this situation, of course they'd believe Lyanna was an innocent victim.

(*NO fucking Jon hate on this post, bitches. I will YEET your ass into the sun!)

#And then she named their son Aegon?? YOU FUCKING NORTHERN CUNT?!? #And if Rhaegar with the bad wig told her to name him that I'm yeeting his ass into the sun too! 😤 #Though I know that's only in the show (so far) so I'll take that a grain of salt. 🙄 #anti rhaegar targaryen #anti lyanna stark #anti rhaegar x lyanna #viserys iii targaryen #daenerys targaryen #house targaryen #asoiaf #rant #txt #tw: kidnapping mention #tw: rape mention

[lemonhemlock]

Hi, sorry for this, but I just need to rant about this, or I'll explode. Feel free to delete this 🩷

I saw somewhere it was written that Elia Martell deserved her fate while Lyanna and Rhaegar were just in love and deserved to be happy...

THIS PISSED ME OF SO BADLY LIKE WHAT THE HELL !!!

Lyanna was 16 and even if we overlooked the part where she’s a westerosi woman at that age you know it's wrong to run away from your home to be with a married dude who's got two kids !

As for Rhaegar, I believe he was as mad as his father. leave your kind, beautiful wife and two kids for a 16 year old girl who's about to get married herself !? Yeah, there's definitely something wrong with your brain !

Also, that person painted Lyanna in such an innocent light like I do not believe she was that dumb she knew Robert would be furious, plus her father and brother's did this girl ever consider them ? The answer is no. Lyanna didn't want to marry Robert, and when Rhaegar showed interest, she decided to run away with his stupid ass !

The biggest victim of Rhaegar/Lyanna actions is ELIA MARTELL AND HER CHILDREN !!!

I can agree with Rhaegar being the most responsible for all the shit that happened, but at the same time, I don't believe Lyanna was just a little girl who fell in love with him.

And Yes, Lyanna is considered a child in our timeline, but in her universe and timeline, she was definitely not a child who didn't know how things worked given that she was also a noble woman and educated as well !

hello kitty 🐱🐱🐱

yeah, some rhagar/lyanna stans would do anything to justify rhaegar's actions because they have it in their minds that he was this fairytale prince charming. and, to be fair to them, that's how he is mostly presented in the text, heaped in praise and regret (apart from robert obviously but many fans disregard robert's appraisal because they see him as biased)

i don't hold it against people if they have a particularly idealised view of rhaegar, because you never know how much they've actually studied the text or thought about this issue in the first place. but if one does engage with the fandom on a general basis and reads meta/takes, it's very difficult not to eventually interact with critical analyses of rhaegar. so, even if his story didn't ring any alarm bells from the start, for whatever reason, if you do start thinking about the practicalities, the shadier elements emerge.

leaving all of that aside, if someone were to try and justify rhaegar's actions, then blaming his brutally-murdered wife is not the kind of stance that will win over the fence-sitters ���‍♀️ even if elia were an awful person who made rhaegar's life miserable (though there is no proof of this, on the contrary), then she still wouldn't "deserve" a violent murder and to witness her children being murdered in front of her. you'd think a reasonable person would agree with that, but this is the kind of fandom in which fans tell others to kys because they disagree with their opinion on fictional people, so for them it's only natural that being annoying (or any other some such dumb infraction) is such a huge and problematic crime that can only be sanctioned by death.

so it's like. i feel there are some huge behavioural issues at play here or at least an unhealthy amount of internalised misogyny or bully fantasies that are the real culprits here :))

i've outlined my general opinion of lyanna here for whomever is interested

#ask #littleobsessedkitty #anti rhaegar targaryen #anti lyanna stark #for filtering purposes

[tvsandmovies]

For me I don't hate Rhaegar and Lyanna because of the age difference and how she was a minor, because I don't give a fuck about it even though I know it is wrong and creepy but sadly this is how George's work.

Anyway for me I hate them because they are fucking selfish and stupid, and how he humiliated Elia and her children, how this fucker Rhaegar annulled his marriage with her to marry a child and fulfill this fucking prophecy and because of that he made his children bastards!

Lyanna knew all of this and agreed to this, she didn't care about the other woman's happiness she only cared about herself and that idiot prince!

And because of this selfish move of both of them it caused a war in the kingdoms, someone said it wasn't their fault for that war it was because the mad king killed Rickard and Brandon Stark, then tell me why did he kill them? Why?

It is all because of these selfish two Rhaegar and Lyanna.

#Got #game of thrones #asoiaf #a song of ice and fire #anti rhaegar targaryen #Anti Lyanna stark #anti rhaegar x lyanna

[fvckinaphrodite]

Can I just say I love the irony of Sansa antis, almost always Targies, using Sansa as an example of the one Stark that "didn't keep their promises/didn't act with honor/betrayed her family" when Miss L/yanna "I don't want to marry Robert because he's having consensual sex while single/unmarried so I'm going to run away with a married man with two babies at home" Stark exists. Pure comedy.

Oh absolutely, anon! It's just so funny when most fics i've come across in which Lyanna lives always show how she dislikes Sansa, describing in lengthy paragraphs how Lyanna thinks Sansa is a stupid, naive, shallow girl who deserves to get her dreams crushed. These antis really project her hatred for Sansa and their misogynistic thoughts through Lyanna, all because they think Miss Wolfblood is "not like other girls".

Speaking of the Targies, I once read a fic where Jon and Dany are raised with the Starks at Winterfell, while Sansa is sent to King's Landing as a hostage of the Martells for what Lyanna and Rhaegar did and married to Quentyn Martell. You think the narrative will sympathize with Sansa? Of course not! Because she's oh so shallow, she loves the South and will betray her family, she deserves the worst. All while Jon and Dany consider Ned as their father and being raised as honorable people, commit incest, and become the king and queen of the seven kingdoms because Aegon and Rhaenys (Elia's children) are the villains and the Martells are evil. I forget what happens to Catelyn, but just remember that she's *of course* also evil. I wished I could bleach my brain after reading it. Thank God that fic hasn't been continued for years, because honestly it's gonna save a lot of people from brain rot.

#sansa stark #pro sansa stark #anti lyanna stark #anti rhaegar x lyanna #anti targaryen stans #anti jonerys #pro house martell #pro house stark #anti sansa antis

[infinitestalia]

Gooooood, the fucking show/D&D showing Lyanna's "tragic" death had me CTFU. If producers thought I was going to feel bad that Lyanna dropped dead after having her bastard adultery baby they are DELUSIONAL. Also, yes Jon Snow is still a bastard because no amount of D&D retconning GRRM's universe would make a SeCrEt AnnULMent of a CONSUMMATED MARRIAGE which PRODUCED TWO CHILDREN a thing in any timeline in pseudo-feudal medieval Europe lmfao like BFFR.

That plotline is so fucking mad, it still baffles me to think it. An ANNULMENT in DORNE? After that little prick impregnated Elia twice in two years for his precious heirs? (And fans somehow say weak Elia failed to give him his children- TWO in TWO years, and she survived both births.) If it were that easy, why the hell is anyone sticking around in their marriages? Robert hated Joffrey even as a child, why didn't he get to declare him illegitimate and remarry? How do you take a shitty Reddit theory and spend millions bringing it to life??

But it's actually kind of impressive how defiantly D&D sought to make the most selfish, cruel act in the show a love story, when one of the major plot points of S4 was fueled by the murder and rape of Elia. But now the two freaks who set it all into motion spit on her and her children one final time, and are celebrated for it? Neither logic nor dead babies could stand in their way, even their names were free to take.

And to your other ask, yup, yup, they got what they deserved, you'll catch me crying over Walder Frey before those two.

#anonymous #anti rhaegar x lyanna #anti rhaegar targaryen #anti lyanna stark #anti d&d #elia martell

[moonflower91]

OMG I found your blog because I had to share in my hatred of Lyanna with someone because a lot of GOT stans seem determined to make every excuse under the sun for her and romanticize her relationship with Rhaegar and that low rent abomination of a wedding ceremony they had while his WIFE AND TWO FREAKING KIDS were just out there unprotected. It's fuck Lyanna for life here and she deserved everything she got to be quite honest.

Preach it baby! PREACH!

Lyanna was not an innocent little lamb taken advantage of, she knew full well that Rhaegar had a wife and 2 children, and decided to dishonor herself and Elia by running away with that inbred asshole and marry him.

Rhaegar deserved everything he got in the end (apart from his children dying, the children didn't deserve that), and Lyanna deserved everything she got in the end. She's not sympathetic, she knew what she was getting herself into and should have known what it would cost and was stupid, selfish and arrogant enough to do it anyway.

Anyway, Elia and Rhaenys and Aegon for life, Rhaegar and Lyanna for never.

#anti lyanna stark #anti rhaegar targaryen #asoiaf #game of thrones #elia martell

[martellspear]

although I think that her story in the books is surround by tragedy, I have no strong feelings for her (the one from the tb show is a completely different story). but her stans do bring out the worst in me

#anti lyanna stark #not really but just for filtering #anti lyanna fans i guess #anti lyanna x rhaegar

[chrkrose]

Hello. I've seen you answer an ask about Lyanna Stark. It's rare to see people point faults in her. Usually, they say Rhaegar is to blame, and Lyanna's age dismiss her actions. Even those who say she was rickless still go back to say anyone who points out her mistakes is misogynistic. What do you think of this say? Should we really not talk about it? Is Elia having negative feelings toward her that taboo and un-adult like? I have mixed feelings. I read many posts that defend her and that as long as you are young/child, you don't get blamed, but the thing is, I feel that it's not the actual reason. I feel that they just want to reject her mistakes and use the age and gender as an excuse to make the opposite person feel like an asshole for pointing out that a young girl carries some responsibility. And in a scenario where she and Rhaegar lived, I feel she would still be with him, and that just feels selfish and inconsiderate toward Elia. Is it really that bad to dislike a young person? Was all she did because of naivety? Because to me, she wasn't naive in that aspect (love doesn't change a man's nature). What do you think of her? I really don't understand how she is liked that much as nothing but victim. Sometimes, it feels forced other times self insert or uncare. I feel it's all to the hype George gives her from being remembered to having a rare flower as her motif to being jon's mother and Arya's aunt and being Rhaegar's love. Or am I being too emotional about what I see as justice? I wish to hear your thoughts.

I do think that Rhaegar bears more responsibility than Lyanna, both because of his age and because the exact circumstances around how she left with him remain unclear. But honestly, I feel far more sympathy for Elia in this entire ordeal. She was a woman of color who suffered greatly because of this situation, and a far more interesting character if you ask me. That matters to me more than what people assume about Lyanna's motivations, especially the idealized "fanon" version.

If Lyanna went willingly, her youth can explain and justify some of her decisions, but I find it unfair to excuse all her choices as a result of her age because fans certainly don't extend the same generous view to Jon (14 years old), Daenerys (13 years old), Sansa (11 years old), Robb (16 years old), Myrcella (10 years old), Arya (11 years old), etc, all of whom struggle with difficult decisions around the same age or even younger. I think it’s disingenuous to absolve her of the weight of what happened when these characters and many more aren't afforded the same grace.

Lyanna fans and Lyanna/Rhaegar shippers face a dilemma. Either she went and stayed willingly even after knowing about what was happening – making her a hypocrite for running off with a married man after her whole discourse about Robert and a pretty selfish horrible person given the brutal murder of her brother and father, never mind the civil war that followed it – OR they must accept Rhaegar held her captive once her initial feelings changed after knowing about her brother and father/ Rhaegar lied to her and never told her the truth about what happened because he knew she would leave his ass. That destroys their idealized image of a loving prince, and destroys the perfect impossible predestined love story they made up about these two. They can't have it both ways, but they sure try.

But this is all beating around the bush. Let's be real here about why Lyanna (and Rhaegar/Lyanna as a couple) have a somewhat significant fandom for the amount of development they have in the actual text. The reasons are: 1) she's white, and 2) she's a blank slate for self-projection. Far more interesting characters and couples (cough Nettles and Daemon cough) exist with similar levels of textual development and don't get nearly the same attention. That speaks volumes. Lyanna and Rhaegar are a blank slate where they can paint whatever they want, as long as they can ignore the more uncomfortable parts and the ramifications of their story.

This bleeds into how Elia is treated by much of the fandom. It boils down to racism. Were the racial dynamics reversed, the fandom response to these women would be fundamentally VERY different. Just look at how Nettles/Daemon are treated compared to Rhaenyra for further proof. What's the difference there in the dynamic? A married prince meets a girl and falls in love with her, abandoning his wife and children for her. You don't see fandom contorting themselves into saying that Rhaenyra deserved it, that she had it coming, rejoicing in her death, gloating about how she went down. And Rhaenyra was actually a terrible person. Elia was nothing but a good woman, who was married off to a prince and paid a brutal price for his lack of care and abandonment, suffering until the end of her life and dying in one of the most horrible ways I've read about in this series. And yet she's demonized. Again. Racism.

The truth is, her fandom project their own desires onto Lyanna. They love the "not like other girls tm" idea of her, they love the pick me girl energy of her story, and she fits the bill for their self-inserts. The misogyny runs deep even among those who considers themselves her fans or shippers of the couple, and they don't even realize it.

My dislike of her is a lot influenced by her fanon version, because the truth is that there isn't enough material for me to actually care about canon Lyanna outside of the tragedy that was her life. Canon wise she might be interesting and maybe a character I would enjoy, but the truth is that there isn't enough there. And if I have to care about characters who have that little textual development, I find other characters such as Elia, Ashara Dayne, Nettles, etc, much more interesting, engaging and worth of my time

#anti lyanna stark #anti rhaegar targaryen #anti rhaegar x lyanna