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#anti marauders stan
moonlightdancer26 · 1 year
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Can we all just agree that 16 year old Sirius tricking Snape into going inside the shrieking shack knowing that werewolf!Remus was inside it is horrifying and should not be cancelled out by the fact that Severus might have already known that Remus was a werewolf? Or is asking for basic human empathy too much work for Marauder stans?
The amount of people who’ve deluded themselves into believing everything that happened in that incident was Snape’s fault astonish me. That, alongside the excuses they make for SWM, make me seriously question how they actually treat irl victims, or whether they simply throw all common sense out the window when the victim in question is Severus.
Newsflash: Even if Severus 10000% knew that Remus was a werewolf, Sirius still deliberately led him into the shack, even when he knew there was a guarantee of Severus being either killed or infected. Both of which would not only end Snape’s life (either figuratively or literally), but would mentally destroy Sirius’s best friend (Remus) and possibly get him executed/imprisoned.
It was still extremely inhuman of Sirius to do, and he should have been punished properly. He was the one who revealed Remus’s darkest secret in the first place, the chain of events never would’ve been set off had he not told Severus anything. Saying “well Snape shouldn’t have-” is grade A victim-blaming. Perhaps Snape shouldn’t have done what he did, but that doesn’t make him any less of a victim, that’s like thinking a woman isn’t a victim because “it’s her fault for being out so late.” And do people not realise that Snape would have never even tried to figure out what Remus was hiding had he not been part of the group that “relentlessly bullied” Severus in the first place?? That’s not entirely Remus’s fault, but it definitely isn’t Snape’s either.
So, whether or not Snape knew, Sirius still withheld vital information that would’ve prevented a teenager from nearly dying, for the sole purpose of having a laugh about it, and he couldn’t even bother to understand what the consequences would mean if his sick prank had actually succeeded—for Severus, for his best friend, and even for Sirius himself. Severus potentially knowing is hardly pertinent, so stop clinging onto an argument that was never even confirmed or hinted at and start addressing your fave’s flaws.
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robynngaeblack · 8 months
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instead of arguing with them, why not just ignore them (I whisper to myself as I had to scroll down them on ig)
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marsconer · 1 year
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marauders stans and their absurd ideas about snape turning me away from the community and into the arms of you snape stans???? more likely than y’all think!!!! would y’all take me? <3
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starrylayle · 5 days
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To all those shippers that depict Sirius as a self-absorbed, short, fem twink with a flare for dramatics -- and Remus as a tall, angry, buff, dom werewolf daddy -- go ahead, it's a fully rounded dynamic! You're actually shipping Gilderoy Lockhart x Fenrir Greyback though! Remember to tag correctly folks! Hope this helps 🥰 🥰 
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the-most-faithful · 3 months
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“Harry was also abused but he didn't turn into Snape”
This argument is likely, once again, to blame Snape. With a speech that sounds a lot like: "Harry also had a bad childhood, but he didn't become like Snape, he could have chosen to be good too" Do we really want to compare them? Let's go in order, I partly understand where this phrase comes from. Harry and Snape are in similar situations as children, as is Tom Riddle. Recluses in the Muggle world, poor, halfblood, misunderstood, treated badly by parents and peers etc... The similarity is fitting up to a certain point and fascinating BUT from the age of 11 onwards it no longer holds.
When Harry arrives at school he is no longer poor, he discovers that he has a mountain of gold left by his parents, to put it in a refined way: he is filthy rich. Snape never will be. Once Harry arrives at school he makes friends with Ron and other Gryffindors, makes positive friendships, is welcomed by the Weasleys, and finds people ready to protect him. Snape, on the other hand, had only one true friend (we will return to this point in the next chapters), Lily. Everyone else in his house wasn't really friends with him and had a bad influence on him over the years. He never had the support of teachers or other responsible adults. No one ever defended him, in fact he was heavily bullied for years in the place where he should have welcomed him and no teacher, no one defended him. Indeed he was blamed.
The similarities between the two disappear once they arrive at Hogwarts, Harry is famous and popular, Snape is not. Harry is respected, Snape is not. Harry has real friends, Snape doesn't. Harry has people protecting him, Snape doesn't.
So out of the love I have for Morgana, let's avoid making comparisons that don't hold up. If and I mean IF Snape had found himself in the exact same situation as Harry perhaps he wouldn't have become who he became and vice versa. Harry found support, if he had been alone, bullied and marginalized he would have made decisions and a different path.
I'm putting all the Snaters' false accusations into a Wattpad collection, if you have any other points not yet covered let me know in the comments or privately COLPE e MERITI - G. Monti E. - Wattpad
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I think there's too much moralizing in the HP fandom. Like, every time I see arguments between the Marauder/Snape fandoms, it boils down to morality, which is ridiculous because characters are not real people. They do not have morals, or thoughts, or actions. They're puffs of smoke that only exist inside your own brain. Imo, the worst thing a character can be is boring. Snape is many, many things, but he's not boring. Part of what makes him interesting is that he's contradictory, sometimes he does bad things with no real reason but to satisfy his own emotional stuntedness, sometimes he does good things because it's the right thing to do, and all of these actions remain in character.
James Potter is a footnote in canon. A tabula rasa. We know a handful of basic facts: he desired Lily, he bullied Snape, he saved Snape from getting eaten by a werewolf, saving Snape didn't stop him from bullying him, somehow Lily decided to date him even though he literally tried to blackmail her, his friends loved him, he was loyal to them, he was charming, he fought in a war. Everything else is fair game! Make him your own! Do something with these bare bones and create an interesting character! And yet when I see these interpretations of him that are like "Bambi did nothing wrong, Snape was actually the evil mastermind behind all of this just to make poor James look like the bad guy >:(" I just saw a take that had Snape as the mastermind of the werewolf prank that he designed to break up the group, and I'm just like, my friend, those horrible flaws make James interesting. You just turned him into a sad sack of goo. He's no longer a character who acts, he's a blank slate that things happen to. There's a difference. You somehow made a footnote even more boring. Don't be afraid to embrace the darker aspects of him just because you're afraid of a character who is not perfectly moral and good 100% of the time.
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sctumsempra · 10 days
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“stan james potter” i am actually exploding you with my mind
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impossible3girl · 1 year
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Barty Crouch Jr. and Regulus Black becoming death eaters because they both are some of the biggest Voldemort Fanboys. With no canon proof of them ever not being things like blood supremacists.
Marauders Stans: Uwwwww cute boys.
Snape following Voldemort because he thought he had no other place to belong but seeing his mistake and therfor doing everything to undo his wrongs. With canon proof that he changed his belifes about blood status and other things.
Marauders Stans: He is the only irredeemable character and all his fans are racists and god knows what.
They are such hypocryts.
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somesnapefan2 · 7 months
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"The marauders aren't bad! They're not bullies!'
The definition of marauders is raiders though...
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they must've known what they were doing since, yk, THAT'S WHAT THEY CALLED THEMSELVES!!
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idkkkjustgay · 9 months
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Reading comments on snily or Snape Stan edits is so funny for no reason for example "he was such a complex character🥺" or "He deserved to be loved, I am so sorry for him :((" (did I copy these of a snily tiktok yes, yes I did) and the best part is the thousand "Stan Bambi" comments
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fanfic-lover-girl · 6 months
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Doing a Marauders Prequel Series is a Waste of Time
Listen, if you look at JKR's writing for the 7 HP books they follow a similar pattern. 90% of the book is pure fluff where she makes you think Harry and his pals are doing something productive when they are not and then everything suddenly happens at the end through dumb luck, deus ex machina or other contrivances. (Ex. see Deathly Hallows, Chamber of Secrets, Philospher's Stone)
Here's a rough take on how the Marauder's prequel show would go:
15% Mauraders hijinks (becoming animagus, making the map, James crushing on Lily etc)
5% Voldemort war/Slytherins
5% maybe Sirius' family drama
75% Marauders bullying Snape
Like...what content is there to show? More boring magic classes? Slytherins once again being given no development (outside from maybe Andromeda dating a mudblood)? More annoying love drama?? All we will see is James' annoying crush on Lily and these boys being huge bullies. If you get one decent season of substantial episodes, that's plenty.
I bet Marauder stans just want to see a show where Severus is constantly shoved into a toilet or something and shown to be a loser incel.
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moonlightdancer26 · 10 months
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I will never in my life be able to understand the people who say “well okay Sirius wanted to kill someone but it’s Snape’s fault for going into the Willow.” I find it so insane because… Sirius, at the mere age of 16, had just proven that he had no regard for human life and was willing to have someone else’s blood on his hands… and all you have to say on the matter is the fact that the victim went down there in the first place? It’s just such blatant victim-blaming and I can’t even fathom how on earth they deem their argument reasonable.
What also really bugs me about their claim is that it was so normal for Snape—a teenage boy—to do. Of course a teenager would hear about/suspect something “spooky” and then would want to go to the area to check it out. Of course his curiosity would get the best of him. He’s a teenage boy, just because he made a risky mistake does not mean attempted murder is justified. It’s like kids or teens hearing about haunted houses and wanting to go there; it’s a pretty stupid idea but it’s a normal one for them to have. So many Marauder stans use “oh but they just made a mistake when they were teens” as a response to SA and waterboarding, but when the character they dislike does something that has actually been done by many teenagers and kids, they can’t feel any sympathy whatsoever? Sirius, unlike Severus, has no excuse for what he did. It wasn’t normal for his age, there’s no somewhat logical reason, and it was downright inhuman. And no, saying “but Snape followed Remus around and tried to get the Marauders expelled!” just goes right back to the fact that, had Sirius and James not started bullying Snape years prior, Severus would have had no reason to want them to get in trouble/expelled.
Another seriously messed up fact involving the prank is when you remember that if the prank had succeeded (= Snape ending up dead/mauled/infected), that meant that Remus—who would’ve been in no control of his actions and completely unable to stop it—would have been used as a murder weapon and would’ve faced dangerous consequences for Sirius’s doing. A known trait of Remus is his extreme self-loathing, which is derived from his hatred of being a “monster.” To think about how one of his best friends was willing to freely exploit his condition and use it to harm someone else “just for fun” when he knows what Remus would do to himself when he finds out is sickening. You can hate Severus all you want, but you absolutely cannot try to pin this on him when it was the most vile act Sirius had ever done in his life and an extremely important aspect of his character.
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ascarylesbian · 11 months
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If you think about it Snape's memories of James Potter are probably not very accurate. I mean it had been over 15 years and when you really hate someone or your really angry about something you can sometimes miss remember things. So for all we know the memories could have been exaggerated.
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marsconer · 1 year
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i really want to write a huge post to talk about how i feel about the marauders fandom, which i’m lowkey part of, but to be short i would really like if they/we respected the space of the snape fandom scrolling past the edits on tiktok is not hard. there’s no need to comment “stan james potter” on them. i
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fagzsupremacy · 6 months
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yk what’s so funny haha
marauders Stans actually like barty, Bellatrix and other future fucking murderers because.. they look cool!
but suddenly, Snape says a slur ONCE and he’s the devil reincarnated?? HOW DOES THAT FUCKING WORK????
IVE SEEN SO MUCH FANART OF THE MARAUDERS WITH BELLATRIX AND BARTY AND MULCIBER… WTFF?? are we actually forgetting that Bellatrix, barty and Mulciber plus some others were terrible fucking people who killed MULTIPLE innocent persons in the future
BUT SNAPE SAID A SLUR AND SUDDENLY HES THE VILLAIN? HE ISNT EVEN ALLOWED AROUND THE MARAUDERS IN FANART???
how does it work GENUINELY how does that make sense???
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the-most-faithful · 3 months
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James Potter Stans"justifications"
I found this old thread on reddit and it is pure gold. The classic "justifications" used by James Potter Stans.
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This isn't really an excuse, it's just admitting that James was an arrogant bully under the guise of "he was a teenager" surprise, Snape was a teenager too.
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Oh, that's the point, for all those who keep saying "We don't deny reality" here you go.
James didn't bully Snape, they were just rivals. I'm not good at math, but since when would 2 VS 1 be rivality? Because in the books we know that James and Sirius attacked Snape just out of boredom, where would the rivalry be? Isn't attacking someone by slamming them to the ground, lifting them by the ankle, suffocating them with soap, SA them bullying? Is it simple rivalry? So tell me, what's the other side of the story. Rivality means that they are equals and attack each other equally. When did Snape ever attack, suffocate, curse James? (And no, I haven't forgotten the Prank, but we'll talk about it later)
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James didn't change in canon, he got everything he wanted without ever having to apologize, he was popular, on the right side of the war and he got married to the girl he liked, even though he bullied her best friend for years. James continued to attack Snape even in seventh year without telling Lily. But even so, let's pretend that James is really mature, what does this prove? That first he was an arrogant bully, so at least we don't deny this fact, and then at some point he changed, so what? Do the years of bullying disappear? I wouldn't say, going back to clarify that in the books the only change James made was to no longer attack other students, he continued to target Snape behind Lily's back.
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Well no, we were told that Snape was prejudiced against muggles (I remind you that his muggle father was violent towards him and his mother) and hung out with people like Avery, Mulciber etc. But it is never said in the books that he used dark magic against Muggle-borns. I can agree with one thing, Snape called muggleborns Mudblood. Everyone except Lily, until The worst memory. But again, what is this supposed to prove? Wasn't Snape a victim of bullying because he used an offensive term? Whatever he did doesn't take away the fact that he was a victim of bullying.
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There are so many things wrong here that I don't feel like correcting them all. But the biggest one, The Prank doesn't happen in the seventh year but before the worst memory. We know this from the memories that appear in the seventh book. Lily and Severus still talk to each other, they're still friends. The "James had changed by that point" theory doesn't hold up as a few months later he SA Snape just out of boredom in his worst memory.
In the Prank Sirius tried to kill Snape using Remus as a weapon (nice friend) and James took Snape out at the last minute. Is he a hero for this? He didn't let his best friend kill another person, that's the minimum for being a deceased person. It's like saying that making someone cross the street instead of hitting them with my car makes me a hero. Hell no, I'm just a normal person.
So what have we demonstrated in all this? Was Snape a wonderful person who had no flaws or faults? Absolutely not, but in his school years he was the victim of James and Siurius' bullying. Stop denying canonical reality, stop creating confusion with chronology and inventing facts that never happened.
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