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captainwidowspring · 3 months
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An excerpt from my Captain America music paper, for I just made a seriously disgusting discovery:
"The other appearance of the breaking-up-of-the-Avengers theme is during the Siberia fight, where it is played twice. The first time it plays is when Friday tells Tony, “You can’t beat [Steve] hand to hand,” and it continues as Tony tells Friday to analyze his fight pattern and she does it, up until Friday says, “Countermeasures ready,” and Tony grabs Steve’s shield. The second time it plays is shortly after Steve disables Tony’s suit, and shortly before Steve, exhausted and injured, slides off Tony’s suit and onto the ground; this plays until Steve helps Bucky off the ground and starts to walk away with him. Now, as the previous use of the Avengers-breakup theme helps show that Civil War was more of an Avengers movie than a Cap movie, this use actually happens to show how the film is more of an Iron Man movie than either of those other two. For considering that the theme was obviously meant to have the most impact after Steve broke the arc reactor, the fact that it first shows up a little before then is quite notable: and when exactly it shows up is very revealing. It first appears when Tony does not exactly have the upper hand (though Steve is doing no damage despite pummeling Tony’s suit), but then it stops when Friday allows Tony to get the upper hand over Steve and seriously hurt him, and then it resumes again when Steve is able to thwart Tony and disable his suit.
Such use of the music that symbolizes the Avengers team splintering seems to be the movie implying that if Tony had won the fight, whatever fracture the Avengers were experiencing would be less severe, but it is solidified now that Steve won the fight. Now, this is very much not true, as the entire Siberia fight was literally Tony trying to kill Bucky because he was upset, while Bucky tried to avoid this and Steve defended Bucky: and while Tony did some really despicable things throughout the movie, successfully killing Bucky and/or Steve while he was having a temper tantrum is something he would never be able to come back from. But considering the lengths the movie went to to try to make it seem like Tony was justified in doing this and not acting monstrously, it is not surprising that these fraudulent efforts extended to the music. And curiously, the Avengers-breakup theme does not play when Tony provokes Steve into dropping the shield, even though that is much more symbolic of the Avengers breaking up than Steve preventing Tony from killing him and Bucky. But that, too, might have painted Tony in a bad light, and the movie avoided such a thing at all costs. Civil War is seriously messed up."
Truly, the more one examines this mockery of a Captain America film, the more it becomes clear just how thoroughly rotten this movie is, and how it is most definitely not Cap 3.
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greenfleeze · 1 year
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I maintain that Steve's arc in Endgame was one of the sloppiest pieces of garbage I've ever seen. You really expect us to believe that Peggy is Steve's true love after all the years he spent with Nat at his side? I call major bs.😡
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ljones41 · 2 years
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MCU’s Biggest Problem
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It is time for the MCU to get rid of the Sokovia Accords.  NOW.  Ever since its debut in “Captain America:  Civil War”, it has done squat for the franchise.  Writers for the franchise have either mishandled this narrative device in movies and television shows like “Civil War”, “Ant-Man & the Wasp” and “Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.” with sloppy or implausible writing; or have completely ignored it.  Worse, moviegoers are still expected to believe that an accord is a law (it’s not).  I get the feeling that Kevin Feige, writers Christopher Markus and Stephen McFeely, and the writers for “Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.” and other MCU projects do not know the definition of “accord”.  Also, Feige and his writers, along with Mutant Enemy and its writers have failed to grasp that the Sokovia Accords is basically a violation of the U.S. Constitution, something I had immediately knew six years ago.  Are fans of the MCU really expected to believe that it is okay for any government to strictly monitor, harass or imprison people from a certain group, due to the actions of a handful of individuals from that particular group?  Isn’t that a form of bigotry?  Are you telling me that Kevin Feige, Marvel Films, Disney Studios and the Mutant Enemy production company are advocates of bigotry after all?  If not . . . find a way to finally get rid of the Sokovia Accords.
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cblgblog · 1 year
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Hey, so I remember you addressing whether or not Marcus and McFeely actually intended Steve to be Peggy’s husband all along. But I was wondering if you knew of any interviews where they actually share that progress? Like, I just happened upon a civil war interview where they state Peggy as Steve’s ideal person romantically as well as behaviorally, but also stated that she was someone Steve only kissed once (in defense of Sharon). Any idea what changed, steggy expert?
I mean, you said expert, not me. All I have are my own thoughts, mostly. But it’s nice to be called an expert at something, so thanks for that.
I’m very hit and miss with interviews, btw, I probably catch maybe a quarter of everything that comes out, depending what part of the fandom we’re talking about, so bear that in mind. That said, here’s a short post EG interview where the M’s talk about it some, and how it’s very much their interpretation of it, not necessarily everyone’s.
And here is possibly the interview you mention. If it’s not the same, it seems similar.
With that, I feel like context is important. Yes they said that she was a woman he had kissed once but they said that in reference to how he might consider Sharon related or not related to himself. Because the antis will take something like that and say that they were admitting Peggy wasn’t that important to him, since they only kissed once. Which isn’t the point they were making. The point was to combat people calling Staron incest—which it never was, that was histrionic nonsense, this fandom simply has no chill. There’s a world of difference between something that’s weird in the eyes of some people and incest, and that’s the point he was making.
Honestly, even if the writers always pictured Steve as the husband—and I don’t have any reason to disbelieve them there—they wrote CW how they did. Doesn’t mean they were in charge of all—or any, really—of the decisions that were made. The Russos or Kevin the overlord, someone had a different idea of how things were going to play out, at least while CW was being made, or Staron wouldn’t have come into play at all. Something clearly changed with the people driving the ship. When or how specifically they made the official turn, and who was responsible for it ultimately? Not sure, I’ve never read anything that goes in depth with it, but my default answer is that everything is ultimately down to Kevin the overlord, since he’s the man on top of the trash pile.
If anyone has more/better info than me, feel free to tag in here. Like I said, my encyclopedic knowledge of official answers is sadly lacking.
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THE GRAY MAN (2022)
Starring Ryan Gosling, Chris Evans, Ana de Armas, Jessica Henwick, Regé-Jean Page, Wagner Moura, Julia Butters, Dhanush, Alfre Woodard, Billy Bob Thornton, Callan Mulvey, Eme Ikwuakor, Scott Haze, Michael Gandolfini, Sam Lerner, Robert Kazinsky, DeObia Oparei, Karen Jin, Martin Harris, Jimmy Jean-Louis, Aishwarya Sonar, Boone Platt and Daz Crawford.
Screenplay by  Joe Russo and Christopher Markus and Stephen McFeely.
Directed by Anthony Russo and Joe Russo.
Distributed by Netflix. 129 minutes. Rated PG-13.
Remember when action films actually had stories which made sense and a real sense of danger because the heroes were constantly in danger of death? Me either, it’s been a long time. The Gray Man is sort of the state-of-the-art in modern cartoonish action, a film in which the violence is so wildly over the top that eventually the whole enterprise seems ridiculous.
Sierra Six (Ryan Gosling), the anti-hero of this adrenaline rush which calls itself a film, is shot (multiple times), stabbed (also multiple times), survives car crashes, explosions, huge falls, being punched and kicked (over and over again), jumping from a crashing plane (without a parachute), nearly drowning and so many other poorly shot and edited hazards that I can’t even remember them all.
You’d think all that would kill a guy, or at the very least slow him down. However, Six is barely bruised, occasionally limping slightly, or getting a little cut, or slightly losing his breath. He seems to be indestructible, leaving a trail of bodies and ravaged cities behind him as entire groups of military assassins try, unsuccessfully, to take him out.
And why are they so desperate to kill this unkillable guy? I don’t know, it has something to do with a cute tween girl and an incriminating flash drive. I think.
Maybe they just don’t like him. Or maybe they just know that there would be no movie without them trying. I’ve got a secret for the Russo Brothers, there’s not much of a movie even with it. The Gray Man is basically what a Fast & Furious movie would be if they didn’t have a sense of humor about themselves.
Which is a shame, because there is the seed of an okay movie in The Gray Man before it goes completely off the rails and becomes a non-stop thrill ride.
The problem isn’t with the cast. It’s Ryan Gosling’s first movie in four years since First Man, and Chris Evans is always entertaining in his asshole mode (see also: Knives Out), and Ana de Armas is stunning, as always. It’s just none of them are really given much to do. Chris Evans’ character is particularly disappointing – yes, he’s an asshole, but he’s also completely incompetent (the character, not Evans). He’s supposed to be one of the most deadly, ruthless assassins in the world, but he doesn’t seem smart enough to kill a fly. And he mostly leaves the killing to others.
And there are lots of others. The Gray Man expends thousands of bullets, bombs, car crashes, etc. No one – criminals or lawmen alike – gives even a moment’s thought or hesitation to all of the potential innocent bystanders who could be killed by the thousands and thousands of rounds of gun fire. Entire cities are laid waste to, again in search of an aging contract killer, a little girl and a flash drive. No one in The Gray Man believes in subtlety.
It may have… maybe… possibly worked as an over-the-top goof, if not for the fact that the hand-held shaky cams and awful editing made the action scenes nearly impossible to follow, even if you wanted to. The directing Russo Brothers – who do have experience in big, blockbuster action films with their Marvel background (helming two Captain America films and two Avengers films) – seem to have totally lost their mojo here. Visually, this film is a mess.
Yet, it somehow fits in for Netflix, where it will be debuting next week after a limited theatrical run. Watching all this mayhem at home, without having to pay for tickets and parking and concessions, will make it easier to take. And easier to leave if you decide to go that way.
Jay S. Jacobs
Copyright ©2022 PopEntertainment.com. All rights reserved. Posted: July 14, 2022.
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loganwright · 4 years
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my friends, family, and everyone I have ever met: are you still mad about endgame?
me, a full fucking year later:
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callsign-fangirl · 4 years
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Marvel: Steve is white and too old fashion, no one can relate to him in today’s time so we gotta yeet him back to 1948................................................................... Steve Rogers background: poor, disabled, probably lgbtq, child of immigrants, that fought Nazis!
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sodelusionwizard · 4 years
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Ok, ok, ok, but why is no one talking about what probably happened with the Steve from the timeline the Steve from the OG timeline went to?
Like, we don’t know if Steve told or didn’t tell Peggy he was from another timeline (both of them don’t make sense. First: Steve isn’t an asshole to lie to Peggy their whole life. Second: Peggy would tell Steve to get back to his timeline as soon as he told it to her), but both scenarios have the Steve from that timeline being “forgotten”.
Let’s suppose Steve never told her that he was from te future:
- If he came back saying he managed to escape from the plane, Peggy way probably told that to Howard so he could cancel the searchs to find Steve, what means that the Steve from that timeline would still on the ice and never be found, since there would be no one searching for him anymore.
-  If he came back saying he managed to escape from the plane and Peggy didn’t tell that to Howard, the Steve from that timeline would be found just on the 21st century, making the same thing that happened with the other Steve happens with him.
Now lets suppose Steve told Peggy (and Peggy didn’t tell him to get back to his timeline):
- Did they chose to let the Steve of that timeline on the ice to be found just on the 21s century?
- Did they took that Steve out of the ice? If they did, what happened to him, since there was already another Steve with Peggy?
See? There are so many plot-holes it makes my mind spin.
If the whole point of Steve getting back on time was him being happy (as if happiness just comes with a wife and kids [aromantic people, people who don’t want kids and people who prefer staying single are saying “hello”, Marvel.]), why are we forgetting this other Steve’s “”“happiness”””? Are we using double standards or...?
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thehollowprince · 4 years
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So... it's been over a year since Endgame and I thought I'd reexamine my opinions on it. Maybe I just needed some time to let it digest? Maybe I won't be so negative about it after some time to think on it. And I'm here to report that... no! Its just as bad (if not worse) than I remember.
Now, anyone who has followed me for any length of time knows that when I'm criticizing the MCU, particularly the Avengers films, I'm talking about Steve Rogers and his "arc". I've made no bones about how I felt about what they did to him and I stand by that opinion. Endgame completely assassinated Steve Rogers as a character, taking a man who by his own admission, if he "sees a situation heading south, he can't ignore it" (written and directed by the same idiots) and stick him back in the Good Old Days where he knows how bad everything is and how bad it's going to get.
The real kicker with that is the fact that the writers/directors who came up with the whole time travel nonsense can't even agree on how it works. Either Steve's bogus journey created an entire new timeline as was badly explained (despite not making any sense whatsoever) in the movie itself, or he was always a part of this universe, which is just further killing of all his characterization since his first appearance. If he created a new timeline, he either spent the rest of his life fixing the wrongs that he knew were going to happen (completely obliterating the fact that they wanted him to "retire" or he woke the Other Steve up and made him "save the world" while he kicked back and let everyone else fight the good fight without him, a clear contradiction of his character. The other option was that he was in this timeline the whole time, living in plain sight as Peggy's husband, despite her being in the espionage business, meaning she would have been watched, even if only for her own protection. But apparently no one noticed how similar her husband looked to America's Greatest Hero? It also just doubles down on the fact that Steve let everything that happened, happen again, despite knowing he could do something about it that would save many lives. That's not something Steve would ever do.
What really makes this whole situation worse is the fandom reaction to that ending. We were still divided after Civil War, and this movie went and divided the fandom yet again. Either you liked Steve's ending or you "weren't a true fan"/"pissed because your ship didn't happen". These same fans who called out the Russos and M&M for years, who called out the horrible writing in Endgame itself when it came to almost every other character, suddenly didn't care when it came to Steve Rogers. That's where the joke came from that they were the new Tony stans. They didn't care how/why Steve got his happy ending, as long as he got his happy ending, even if it spit in the face of everything that came before.
The thing is, the ending wouldn't have been so bad if there had been any semblance of foreshadowing. There was nothing for several movies that suggested that Steve never got over Peggy. The first time he really mentions her in a romantic sense after The First Avenger was in Engame itself, where he hijacked a support meeting for those who lost loved ones in the Snap to talk about a woman who died two years before the Snap happened from old age. The entire thing was a last minute decision to remove Steve Rogers entirely because Chris' contract was up.
I maintain that Steve should have just retired in the modern world, maybe got some actual therapy, and rest, knowing that he wasn't alone anymore and that there were others to help save the day so that he didn't have to do it alone. Would have opened up a possiblity for a return (because apparently Chris misses the role already) in a future team-up movie, where Steve swoopes in to save Sam with a "Captain America needed my help"
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Lmao, I just saw a steggy shipper saying "Most people understand MCU's timetravel but ignore it to make Steve look bad. He didn't erase Peggy's life. The MCU directors said he was always her husband. She never maried Daniel"
Honey, if someone didn't understand the MCU's timetravel and elected to ignore it to make steggy canon being acceptable, it was you.
First of all: The directors don't agree with the screenwriters about it. The directors said he went to another timeline and the screenwriters said he has always been Peggy's husband.
According to their timetravel rules, the correct one is the directors' version, because their timetravel just allows you to go to the past of another timeline, you can't change your future. Even that way, it don't explains how the hell Steve went back to the future without using the time machine, which implies that the correct version is the screenwriters' one, but that goes against their own time travel rules.
So yeah, Endgame is a fucking massive plot hole, Steve's ending makes no sense and his end was just that one so Marvel could give Steve an end while selling their view of perfect american heteronormative family and the idea that you just can be happy if you have a wife and kids (and, as I said on previous posts, saying that "being with Peggy was the only way of Steve being happy" is pretty toxic. You're literally attaching his ability of being happy to someone else).
And no, I'm not saying that because I started shipping stucky after steggy went to south. I'm saying that because it's the obvious truth that some steggy shippers are choosing to ignore just because they have their ship canon.
In my opinion, that person wasn't even Steve. No one can convince me that Steve Rogers would ever leave like that without not telling a word to Sam and even say "I don't think I will" when he kindly asked if he was going to tell him about the life he lived. Sam, who willingly left his civil life to help Steve and Natasha to take down Hydra, Sam who helped Steve searching for Bucky, Sam who sided with Steve against the accords and willingly stayed behind to get arested with the others just so Steve and Bucky could have a chance to stop Zemo. Steve would NEVER leave without at least telling him what he was going to do. Damn, Sam was desperate when he noticed something was "wrong" with the time machine.
(Also, friendly reminder that you can support your friend but still feel hurt by what he did)
To be honest, Steve would never leave at all. No one convince me that he would play God and create another whole reality just to be with Peggy, no one can convince me that he would look at Peggy and pretend being the Steve of that timeline (and if he ever told her she truth, no one can convince me that she would just let him stay while the Steve of that timeline is freezed somewhere on the ocean), no one can convince me that Steve would be happy in a time full of oppresion just because he had Peggy. It just don't fit Steve AT ALL.
And I truly don't think Steve is bad. No one with a working brain does. None of it was his fault, he was victim of poor and lazy writing. I've seen lots and lots of fanfics with better writing and plot than Endgame's script. Markus and McFeely were the worst screenwriters and the only thing the Russo brothers know how to direct are action scenes. They lost the rails after CA:TWS. I hate them, I hate Marvel, but I would never hate Steve. A fictional character has no fault about the ones who write him ignoring their development and characterization to fulfill the biggoted agenda of the company in which they work.
We should have started the tag Eat The Mouse at this point.
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iron-niffler · 3 years
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I was reading some interviews about Endgame just bc and
In Infinity War, Doctor Strange (Benedict Cumberbatch) says there’s only one way to beat Thanos and Endgame reveals that way meant Tony’s death. Did you ever consider letting him live and having Captain America/Steve Rogers wield the gauntlet and die instead?
Markus: We considered ways to let Tony live and whether there was a story there. But (dying) was the last thing he needed to do to become a fully-realized hero. There was never a better story than that. As for Captain America, he was willing to kill himself twice in his first movie. So it didn’t seem like a particularly interesting thing to have him do.
I'm sorry WHAT did you say Markus?!?!
"dying was the last thing he needed to do to become a fully-realized hero"
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Tony Stark
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has never been willing
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to die to save people or even been established as a full hero
or at least he hasn't been willing enough to appease the screenwriters
who knew? certainly not anyone who watched the movies. why don't you two scriptwriters watch the entire MCU (including the movie that you wrote) then get back to me on this :)
Logically I understand why the writers wanted to kill him off (doesn't mean i like it) but they shouldn't erase all the things that he's done over the past 15 years (10 or so years actively superheroing) to try and play his death as the act that established him as a hero. he's been working to protect people at any cost for a decade now this isn't the first time he's done something that includes risking his life for others. His death may be his most heroic act but it was by no means his first.
Yes his death helped to show the end of an era, but do you know what could have shown the start of a new era? Tony deciding to hang up the armor for good now that the threat that had haunted him for years has been vanquished and helping out on the sidelines, never really appearing on screen or anything but definitely there as a support link offering advice and counsels to the new generation of heroes, even if they only show it through text messages or name drops.
Maybe they mean "fully realized" as having reached the height of his heroics (which doesn't really make sense but hey), but "fully realized" normally is used to describe something "complete or total" so apparently Tony wasn't a complete hero until he freaking died even though he demonstrated the willingness to die for others multiple times across the MCU, or this was just badly phrased. Tony is an imperfect person who he pushes past his flaws and tries to make up for his mistakes that's part of his character's appeal. He's not a hero because he's perfect, he's a hero because he's an imperfect human being who recognizes his flaws and pushes past them in order to grow as a person and help others.
Apparently Tony wasn't a "complete" hero so I guess that's why they saw it fit to give him an incomplete happy ending; five years of domestic living overshadowed by heavy losses before he finally got his whole family back together and then had to sacrifice himself to save everyone.
Also for some reason the Steve portion of the response just makes me angrier. Or rather they really went "no we can't kill Steve! he was ready to die TWICE in his first movie! People are probably bored of him sacrificing himself!" and then turn around and kill one of the characters who has been struggling for over a decade and is just trying his best who has nearly died like every other movie he's in in an effort to protect people. (Also I'm pretty sure Tony was willing to die multiple times in Iron Man or at least accepting of his potential fate such as refusing to make weapons for terrorists even under torture and presumably the threat of death, making his primary focus to get Stane away from civilians, even if it meant completely depleting his power supply which is keeping him alive running the numbers and accepting the risk of death due to either falling from an extremely high altitude or a painful death from the shrapnel and finally telling Pepper to hit the button to blow the reactor while he's still on the roof.)
"There never was a better story than that": sure maybe this was the best story in a "make you cry sad and emotional way" but there are SO MANY other avenues and messages that you could send by letting him live. Show the message of being able to work through and overcome trauma and personal issues and live a happy life. Give us the escapist reality most members of the fandom crave; seeing you fave struggle for years than be able to overcome the issues and be happy acting as a beacon of hope for the fans who relate to them. Give Tony the happy ending that he and the audience that stuck by his side for any amount of time be it several months or that grew up with Tony deserved. Just let him be happy please. He's gone through so much, just let him rest (and not in a way that includes him dying)
*I'm sure there's a different way to interpret this but that's how I'm reading it as so if you disagree please don't come yell at me*
also at one point in time they considered letting tony live
(sorry this just annoyed me and I had to vent so tumblr rant 😅)
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annebaneriddle · 4 years
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If I ever get married:
The person I'm getting married to: Can we dance to "It's been a long time" on our wedding?
Me, having Endgame flashbacks: Please, no.
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darthxerik · 5 years
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...Unless you’re Loki.
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Then fuck you. You were never worthy.
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i-want-to-bethlieve · 4 years
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It's pretty funny how desperately the Russo bros and Marcus and McFeely wanted to make Steve Rogers look good, but consistently made him look like a fake ass bitch.
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moonstarphoenix · 4 years
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Oscar Nominations are out and...there are some serious injustices here. Seriously #Oscarssowhite is right.
Why did Scarlett Johansson get two when Lupita, J.Lo and Awkafina who have dominated award season talk get literally nothing?
All the directors are male. Again.
Taron did not get an Oscar nomination which is a travesty.
Only screenplay for Knives Out which is also disappointing.
BUT the absolute best is that Endgame got ONE nomination. For visual effects. That’s it.
All their touting about it being the best ever and all there pushing and predictions and it got ONE nomination.
I’m laughing so hard.
I mean, Black Panther was nominated for Best Picture at the Oscars and through the multiple other awards and let’s not forget the other ‘final’ franchise movies that scored multiple nominations over the years. And Endgame, nada. It’s pretty glorious.
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likeappletrees · 4 years
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why is captain america: the winter soldier so good but civil war, infinity war and endgame (directed and written by the same people) are the way that they are. someone please explain this to me
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