#anti olicity

[kiraxcute]

Y'know Felicity was a Creator's pet because you mean to tell me that Oliver wasn't in love with this??!!? @axelwolf8109 @jackiequick

#laurel lance #lauriver #oliver x laurel #laurel x oliver #arrow #anti felicity smoak #anti olicity

[joeey-dee]

I just stumbled over some of the Olicity scenes in 4.08 Legends of Yesterday on YouTube, and can I just say WTF! That’s always my mind’s first reaction when watching them. 

And can I just point out the hypocrisy and gaslighting on Felicity’s side? She accuses him of not trusting her and yet, she is the one who didn’t trust him, used her skills to track his movements, and forced Barry into showing her something he was aware of Oliver didn’t want anyone to know about. That screams I trust you to me. 

Especially after Oliver told her there was something he needed to figure out and he would let her know what it was about, as soon as he had more information. Yet, she didn’t even wait for him to return to find out if he was telling the truth or not. No, she pretty much stalked him. 

So, who isn’t trusting whom? 

And all of this after she had lied to him for months, worked with Team Arrow behind his back and pretended she was as happy and content with their life in Ivy Town as he had been. 

She is the last person who has the right to get down on Oliver for lying. Seriously!

And since she realized it was a paternity test, Oliver had Barry do, she’d also realize Oliver had only learnt about being a dad, maybe two minutes before she showed up to demand answers from Barry, which would’ve been a couple of hours before she confronted him. When exactly was he supposed to let her know? This was the first time he’s seen her since finding out. Give the guy some time to process and you know, if he still hasn’t told you in a couple of days, okay, maybe bring it up but not like this. 

This is a major event in Oliver’s life, and like he pointed out to her it is a lot more complicated than it appears at first glance. 

He had also just learnt that Samantha and his mom purposely misled him into believing his child died before it ever had a chance at life. Oliver was confronted with loosing a child in his early twenties, whether he had wanted it or not doesn’t really matter, the flashback to that event and the fact that Oliver is a good, compassionate and caring person clearly shows how much he had struggled with that loss. 

To then learn it had all been a lie just to keep him out of his child’s life? How utterly cruel and devastating must that have been? Knowing that they’d rather lied to him and made him believe his child had died, then have him be a part of his child’s life. Just imagine the anguish that must have been to learn how little Samantha and his mom thought of him. This being amplified by Samantha’s demands to him. 

And after considering all of this, who can blame him for going along with the demands of the woman who had had no issues making him believe his child had died in order to keep him out of their lives? In his mind there was probably no question she’d do anything in her power to keep William away from him if he didn’t adhere to her demands, she’d done it before. 

I will never understand how the majority of the fandom is on Felicity’s side here and vilifying Oliver over the only choice he had really. 

Oliver was the victim in everything concerning his son. Oliver and William. But that’s it. No one else was a victim in that situation. 

The way Felicity behaved both times she learnt about William was just disgusting and horrible and that was the point I was done with her character. She of all people should’ve understood and supported Oliver’s choice to do whatever he had to to be a part of his son’s life, given her past with her parents.

Okay, so this rant turned out much longer than expected.

This might be an unpopular opinion but I don’t care. Oliver was the victim and everyone was victim blaming and never put his actions into perspective with everything we’ve known and learnt about the situation with Samantha and William. 

#oliver queen support #defending oliver queen #oliver queen #anti olicity #oliver never had a choice #anti felicity smoak #this will always piss me off #oliver was done so wrong #oliver was the victim #arrow rant #arrow 4.08 legends of yesterday #trust is a two way street #hypocrisy at its highest

[jooeeydee]

I just love those Olicity or Felicity stans that leave mean comments to my stories, attack my portrayal of the characters, claim I'm bashing them, which I never do. Also attack me for writing Felicity as the problematic character she was and Olicity the toxic mess it was. And claim Oliver never loved Sara and then when I reply and hit them with facts, cause I always bring recipes, they delete their comments... guess that means I won the argument?

But why write a comment you'll end up deleting, if you feel uncomfortable leaving it stand after I replied, why write it to begin with?

Why do people feel the need to just tear other people's hard work down? If you don't like, don't read but don't be mean.

Sorry, just needed to vent.

#arrow fic #mean people commenting to be mean #so much negativity #anti olicity stans #anti felicity stans #comments #guess I won the argument #why are people like that? #anti olicity

[vicontheinternet]

Fanfics that hate on laurel and prop Sara and felicity up on a pedestal and put her in a relationship with Oliver while put down his relationship laural booooo

#anti arrowverse #anti arrow #anti sara lance #anti olicity #laurel lance #my opinion

[firesoulstuff]

I just realized Ava was to Legends what Felicity was to Arrow. Both characters had such potential, but then the writers decided to use them to spearhead equally toxic relationships with each of their respective show’s central protagonists, rather than respecting and developing them as individual characters.

#arrow #legends of tomorrow #ava sharpe #felicity smoak #anti avalance #anti olicity #they really could have both been so great on their own

[alphawolfice1989]

The nice guys romantic false leads in the arrowverse

Eddie thawne and iris west

Ray palmer and felicity smoak

#iris x eddie #eddie x iris #felicity x ray #ray x felicity #james x kara #kara x james #anti westallen #anti olicity #anti karamel

[whateverthought]

Summary: Laurel mistakenly wears a memento from her and Oliver’s past, and Felicity’s resulting actions shed light on the fragility of Oliver’s new relationship. By: @raywritesthings

Sometimes you reread a good story and get hit with inspiration.

#mine #my edit #my post #lauriver #anti olicity #laurel lance #oliver queen #arrow #i dont know i got hit with the need to make

[there-are-many-ways-to-smile]

One part of me is like "let it go they aren't even real." But honestly it's better I have hatred in my heart for fictional characters than real people.

#jessica riley #asher adams #june harris #doctor smith #fictional characters #they arent real they cant have their feelings hurt #characters #hater #anti olicity #oliver queen but the one from the cw show #Felicity

[sulietsexual]

Not a fan of Olicity. I never felt the supposed chemistry between the actors

You’re right. Oliver and Felicity have more chemistry with Laurel and Barry respectively than with each other.

https://zalrb.tumblr.com/post/629323321880756224/i-thought-i-was-the-only-one-who-thought-laurel

https://zalrb.tumblr.com/post/623145282110193664/chemistry-quotes

https://zalrb.tumblr.com/post/180876850040/yes-actually-from-all-the-ships-barry-had-i

I watched all of The Arrow and some of the Flash. I didn’t think think anyone’s chemistry superseded Barry and Felicity’s (Barry and Iris were so awkward). When I found out Grant was cast because of his chemistry with Emily I was surprised. Why would they do a chemistry test and not have the characters get together? Such a wasted opportunity!

I haven't watched either show in so long, but I do remember enjoying Barry and Felicity's chemistry and thinking they would be cute together. But I don't think any Arrowverse pairing's chemistry will top Laurel and Oliver's for me.

#answered #anonymous #anti olicity

[blueberrysconematurity]

I hate Olicity.

#anti arrow #anti olicity

[jbuffyangel]

Hot and Cold: Arrow 1x22 Review (Darkness of the Edge of Town)

There is no episode that exemplifies the disjointed nature of Season 1 more than “Darkness on the Edge of Town.”  We have Exhibit A: an OTA field op and the smoaking hot chemistry of Stephen Amell and Emily Bett Rickards igniting in an elevator shaft of all places.

And Exhibit B: the other show. A frigid black hole I feared we’d never escape from.

Let’s dig in…

Olicity and OTA

Let’s start with the positive since there is soooooo much freaking positive! It can take time for a television series to find its footing in the first season.  Unfortunately, nowadays if the audience isn’t binging the entire season in 24 hours, the show gets canceled. But blessedly, this was 2013. Network TV was still the supreme ruler, and Arrow was pulling big enough numbers for the CW to allow for some leeway.

Twenty two episodes of leeway. Arrow finally found its groove and latched on to the mystical “it factor” that keeps an audience watching - Oliver, Felicity and Diggle. The chemistry and dynamic between these characters and the actors who play them is undeniable and it creates an action packed, laughing out loud, and sizzling hot episode. The writers are having FUN in “Darkness on the Edge of Town" and it shows, which means we get to have fun too.

Oliver decides to question his mother regarding the Undertaking, but she refuses to confess. So, Oliver and Diggle take a more brutal approach. The Hood kidnaps them both and beats the crap out of Oliver until she coughs up the information. It’s always hilarious when this show acts like David Ramsey can fit in Stephen Amell’s suit.

The burgeoning relationship between Oliver and Felicity is very much in its infancy. Oliver is fully in denial about feeling any type of way toward his IT girl. Never is that more apparent then when Oliver and Diggle return from the confrontation with Moira. Diggle gets a few solid whacks in, which I’m sure felt amazing given the absolute jackass Oliver was being the past few episodes.

Felicity has a much harder time concealing her feelings towards Oliver and it’s clear she worries about him. She is always the first to ask if he’s okay, offer a supportive ear to listen or shoulder to cry on. However, Oliver seems to draw a line in this episode when Felicity reaches to touch the bruise on his face. That small step was too much. He physically keeps her at arm’s length because the intimacy of Felicity’s concerned touch is not something Oliver is ready for. There is still a very big wall hiding all that pain, regret and unworthiness.

Source: @lyricalarrow

Admitting he remembers the exact day they met, however, is absolutely no problem. We shall come to discover just how much Oliver remembers about that day in later seasons. I have a lot of male friends and I guarantee you I don’t remember the day we met. However, the day I met my husband is burned into my memory.

The team determines the only way to stop Merlyn from leveling the Glades with a man-made earthquake machine is to find the location of the device. Unfortunately, Felicity is unable to hack Merlyn’s system so she needs direct access to his mainframe inside Merlyn Global Headquarters. LET'S DO CRIMES!

Oliver makes an appointment with Tommy (more on that later) while Felicity continues to up her adorability factor by dressing up as Big Belly Burger employee delivering lunch to a security guard otherwise known as John Diggle.

The burger is laced with benzodiazepine, so it knocks out the other security guard and gives John free reign to control the elevator & cameras. Do we know how Diggle is able to pose as a security guard? No. Do we care? Nope. Let the hijinks commence!

Oliver and Felicity make their way to the elevator, but not until Oliver unloads an unwelcomed dudebro hitting on Felicity.

Jealousy looks so good on him. The way Stephen Amell plays this scene, with his nails-on-a-chalkboard look at the word “sweetie” to robotically knocking the papers out of the elevator, is physical comedy at its best. Something Amell rarely gets to do, but he’s great at it.  

The mainframe is on the twenty fifth floor, but the elevator only goes up to the nineteenth, so Oliver and Felicity have some climbing to do. It seems Felicity is thinking of a certain kind of climbing as well and really who can blame her?

Source: @lyricalarrow

Oliver lifts her WITH ONE ARM out of the elevator, which is so freaking hot I cannot.

Then, very gently, bends down to wrap his arm around Felicity’s waist and loop her arm around his neck. Oliver is moving with the precision of a jungle cat, but it also feels like an incredibly elaborate way to grab hold of someone. It has a very superhero sweep-her-into-my-arms sensuality to it. The mission is giving Oliver plenty of reasons to touch Felicity and he doesn’t seem unhappy about it, particularly when he softly tells her, "Hold onto me tight."

Is it warm in here? Holy Moses, Oliver Queen. Get control. This man is a god to women, so he clearly understands the connotations of, “Hold onto me tight.” There’s a thousand different ways to say that platonically, but nope! Oliver charges headlong into the blinking neon lights of SEXUAL INNNUENDO.

Felicity’s Freudian slip didn’t feel so Freudian either. She knew exactly what she was saying and leveled her full meaning in a single look. I thought the elevator was going to combust from all the heat. If you are looking for the text book definition of undressing someone with your eyes than look no further than these two. They way they hold the gaze. WOW. Can we have all the nakedness now?!!! It’s a sin against science for Oliver and Felicity not to bang regularly BECAUSE THE CHEMISTRY.

THIS IS NOT THE BEHAVIOR OF A MAN MADLY IN LOVE WITH LAUREL LANCE.

This scene has the classic Superman and Lois Lane feel to it.

Source: @olicitygifs

Oliver is doing his vigilante thing, but his partner in crime isn’t the leading lady of Arrow. It’s a supporting character who’s feeling less and less supporting with each episode.

Unfortunately, Felicity is about to be discovered while Oliver is held up by Malcolm Merlyn, Thea and Roy Harper. This is a very popular day to visit Merlyn Global. Oliver’s frustration under his cool and calm exterior builds the tension nicely and we do wonder how Felicity is getting out of this jam. Never fear! It’s John Diggle to the rescue. Top notch comedy from both Rickards and Ramsey.

Source: @olicitygifs

Their first official team mission outside of the bunker is a wild success. Felicity still has to search through all of Merlyn’s data to determine the location of the device. Despite all the heat, hilarity and hijinks on this side of the show, Oliver makes an abrupt decision regarding the other side of the show that makes absolutely no sense.

Lauriver and Merlance

Still feeling warm friends? Well don’t worry. I have a nice bucket of ice cold water to dump on you.

As predicted, Oliver’s love confession messes with Laurel’s mind and obliterates any clear path back to Tommy. He drops this bomb on her and they have not spoken for a WEEK. Of course, this is all Laurel has thought about and she makes a rather elaborate speech admitting she has feelings for Oliver too.

Yeah, none of this is a surprise. Tommy knew Laurel had feelings for Oliver. We knew Laurel had feelings for Oliver. Hell, even Oliver knew. The only one who wasn’t admitting it was Laurel, so at least she’s finally being honest about things. You don’t get a love triangle if the central figure in the love triangle doesn’t have feelings for two people. The issue is who does Laurel love MORE.

Laurel: Maybe Tommy was right. Maybe he and I weren’t meant to be.

She had a clear answer last week. It was Tommy. She absolutely wanted to get back together with him, but Oliver decided honesty was the best policy on this one subject only. This line enrages me because Oliver has distracted Laurel from the man she is truly meant to be with. I will die on this hill, friends. DIE. ON. THIS. MERLANCE. HILL.

Laurel: Tommy’s a good guy. Are you?

Oliver: I didn’t have an agenda. I didn’t mean to make it more difficult to fix things with Tommy.

Oh for fucks sake. Yes, you did Oliver. That’s exactly why you said it. This is just a straight up lie. Oliver absolutely wanted to confuse Laurel. He just doesn’t want to look like the bad guy for doing it. This is some A+ Ollie behavior.

After Laurel makes a wonderfully impassioned and heartfelt speech about her feelings for Oliver, after probably obsessing about it for seven days straight, Oliver dumps her. AGAIN.

Oliver: Nothing’s changed. My life hasn’t changed. I haven’t changed.

I am infuriated on Laurel’s behalf with this flip flopping back and forth. The time to make this speech was last week in the hospital hallway. That was the moment to let her go and put Laurel on the plane with the man she belongs with, but Oliver couldn’t do it because it was too damn hard. It was just cruel and horribly unfair to both Tommy and Laurel because Oliver has absolutely no intention of being with her. But now it’s too late. The information is out there. You can’t put the toothpaste back in the tube, my dude.

Laurel pays her father a visit to basically get his permission to date Oliver again. Yeah, let’s make the man who lost his daughter to Oliver’s selfishness sign off on banging his other daughter again. This show.

Quentin’s speech is equally as empty as any speech Laurel’s made about seeing the change in Oliver because we, the audience, have not been privy to those moments. We’re just supposed to take their word for it even though the last time Quentin saw Oliver Queen he was trying to arrest him for drug trafficking. But sure, Quentin thinks he’s “changed.”

In order to make this storyline work, you have to give proper attention to the Lance family interacting with Oliver and the writers do not seem interested in doing that. All the important emotional growth takes place off screen and we’re supposed to accept it as fact because the characters tell us.

Meanwhile, they are organically growing the relationship Oliver has with Diggle, Felicity, hell even Roy! So we know the writers are capable of SHOWING these moments of character evolution. They just choose not to when it comes to the Lance family. It’s why the show feels so completely disjointed.

Oliver pays Tommy a visit and wants to have a chat.

Source: @queensarrow

So it's safe to say Tommy is still pissed.

Oliver encourages him to work things out with Laurel – kind of?

Oliver: Lord knows, I am guilty of a lot of things between us, but not you are her.

What’s infuriating about this conversation is that Oliver still refuses to accept any kind of responsibility in their break up. Oliver pretends to be a friend to the all feminists and touts Laurel’s independence and free will. She makes her own choices and she chose Tommy.

Tommy’s point is clear, even if it is self pitying; Laurel is not dealing with all the information. If she did have all the information then she would choose Oliver. From Oliver’s standpoint, it doesn’t matter because he can’t be with her.

That’s not reassuring to Tommy nor is it supposed to be. If the elements keeping Oliver and Laurel apart were removed (the Hood) then Oliver wouldn’t think twice about making a move on Laurel. And Tommy knows this. These are not the actions of a best friend, which is why he’s so pissed.

Now, Tommy’s big mistake was throwing in the towel too early. He should have NEVER given Oliver an opening with Laurel, but he did and it set them on this path. No we have to watch it play out.

Oliver: I promised myself that when I crossed all of these names off the list, I’d be done, but taking down these people, it doesn’t honor him. I was just treating the symptoms while the disease festered. I stop the Undertaking… I wipe out the disease.

Diggle: What are you saying Oliver? You would hang up the Hood?

Oliver: Merlyn’s plan is what I returned from the island to stop.

Does anyone else have whiplash? Oliver does a complete about face and determines he can be with Laurel since he only needs to cross one name off the list instead of dozens. He’s just missing one step, gee what could it be? Oh! I know. OLIVER STILL HAS TO CROSS MERLYN’S NAME OFF THE LIST AND STOP THE UNDERTAKING. Talk about counting your chickens before their hatched.

A hero’s journey is a very specific type of story. Joseph Campbell outline seventeen stages in 1949 and Christopher Vogler created an updated version in 2007 for screenwriting. I’m not going through all seventeen steps, but we can skip to the very last one regarding this storyline.

Freedom to Live/Return with the Elixir – meaning the hero has faced their internal and external struggles, has conquered the demons around them and earned the right to live as they choose. From a spiritual sense, the hero lives without fear of death.

It’s similar with Vogler’s elixir stage. From a community perspective, the hero has found the magical way to heal their wounded land. They are bringing hope, life and freedom back to their loved ones. In doing so, it gives the hero a personal victory. They’ve earned the right to experience peace and joy, which can be represented in a wide variety of narratives.

Oliver is hero. Arrow has made his endgame very clear - save Starling City. Has he saved the city? Has he stopped Malcolm Merlyn? NO. So why is his leather clad ass running all the way back to Laurel Lance to enjoy the fruits an elixir he has yet to procure? If Laurel is endgame, this makes absolutely no sense. This is too fast. It’s too abrupt. It doesn’t feel earned because it hasn’t been earned.

Clearly, the initial plan was to put Oliver (Green Arrow) and Laurel (Black Canary) on parallel, if not intersecting, paths. I’m not saying Oliver cannot be with Laurel as they evolve into superheroes together. But this is the first freaking season you guys! He hasn’t done a damn thing yet! Neither has she. And yet, here Oliver is, knocking on Laurel’s door, looking for some fruit.

Oliver: Ever since I’ve been back, we’ve been doing this dance. We come together and then I pull away.  Something pulls me away, but I think finally that something might be over.

Laurel: What are you are trying saying?

Oliver: That you know me better than anyone. And that you are more important to me than anyone. I just hope I didn’t wait too long to say it.

If Laurel has no clue Oliver is the Hood then can he really claim she knows him best? It sounds good to say, and probably what Laurel is dying to hear, but it rings hollow because there’s no evidence of this anywhere on the show. Laurel was wrong about who Oliver is all season. We are just supposed to accept some verbal acknowledgment of change, that she knows him better than anyone, but without any television scenes to back it up. That’s not how storytelling works, Arrow writers.

Sorry to beat a dead horse, but I warned you I wasn’t done with this topic - Oliver is still lying to Laurel. There should be more talking. What are those things pulling you away, Oliver? Why are they over? Are you a hooded, crime fighting, serial killer who has been mysteriously stalking me all year? Those are just some ideas off the top of my head. There is no person on this planet that Oliver needs an honest conversation with more than Laurel Lance, but nope. They jump straight to sex.  

Let’s talk about the sex. This has been built up all season. These two characters belong together. They are bulldozing over Tommy Merlyn to be together because they are this passionate romance that time cannot quell. It should be like the fourth of July in Laurel’s apartment right now.

Source: laurelscanary

Instead, of heat we get frigid. Fish have hotter sex.

I’m willing to acknowledge "Radioactive" was the hit song of 2013 and every show on the CW was using it. It has a very sexy beat and big crescendo. It sounds like a good song to use during a sex scene.

Except for the fact that it’s called RADIOACTIVE with lyrics like, “This is it, the apocalypse.” This is not the romance your Plan A couple usually requires in a scene like this. They had Blake Neely for a composer. Where’s Oliver and Laurel’s love theme? We'll probably get it in the season finale but anything would be better than "Radioactive."

Source: laurelscanary

Next issue. Black socks and jean shorts?  Wardrobe – what were you thinking? Nobody felt the need to tell Katie to take off the sox? Details matter!!

Source: laurelscanary

Stephen Amell and Katie Cassidy kissing are like watching two pieces of flat cardboard trying to hump each other. Can they choose a direction? Are we biting or no biting? Are we using tongue or no tongue? Can Oliver unbutton his shirt or does Laurel need to help? Is Oliver going to drop Laurel while trying to get her sweatshirt off? It was just so awkward from start to finish. ZERO SPARKS.

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And for the coup de grace, they leave the curtains pulled wide open, so Tommy can see them screwing from the street. The look of utter devastation on his face is heartbreaking and that’s the final image they leave us with as their love scene fades to black. Oliver and Laurel reuniting are not framed as a good thing. It’s framed as a betrayal, because that’s exactly what it is.

Source: @queensarrow

Even worse, Felicity finds the device while Oliver and Laurel are asleep and HE LEAVES. No note. No, honey I have to run out and save the city real quick, but I’ll be back for round two later. Nothing. But please, tell me again how much Ollie has changed.

When I watched this episode live I was horribly disappointed the big reunion with Laurel and Oliver fell flat. This was really my last gasp trying to be a Lauriver shipper. And I use the term “trying” loosely. I was more or less looking for any redeeming qualities in this love story, but after this hypothermic love scene I was officially out. I could not ship these two. I could never forgive them for betraying Tommy. But I feared Arrow would never move on from Oliver and Laurel.  

Of course, their real intention becomes all too clear later. Arrow was trying to blow them up to make way for something infinitely better.

 Theroy

Speaking of flipping back and forth, these two break up every other week. Roy is clearly committed to finding the Vigilante, which leads them to Merlyn Global and a run in with Oliver, the disapproving older brother. Again, Stephen Amell’s acting is superb.

I loved the way he said “What” to Thea and the firm alpha male handshake he gives Roy, warning him to stay away.

Obviously, Roy accomplished his goal. He found the Vigilante. Roy just doesn’t know it. He thinks Oliver Queen is too much of a wimp to ever consider him as the man in the hood. Thea was good and ticked off with that “wimp” remark. Enough to dump Roy. She will not tolerate any slander of her brother. #QUEENSIBILINGSFOREVER

But this is like the fifth time these two broke up, so it’s losing the impact. This isn’t all about the Hood’s identity and thanking him for saving Roy’s life. He wants to BE the Hood, so Roy can protect the people he loves and never lose anyone again. The question is – who did Roy lose? Unfortunately, Thea storms out before we get an answer, but hopefully one is coming in the season finale. (No I do not remember who).

Long story short, yes I like these two, but the faster the Arrow writers move the characters into the Hood storyline the better. Otherwise they are just marooned on their own show like Laurel Lance Island.

Stray Thoughts

Yao Fei died! It’s so sad and traumatic. I forgot he’s shot in the head. Really didn’t need to see that twice.

Fyers is shooting down a commercial airliner to destabilize the Chinese economy. It’s always about money for these assholes.

Walter wants a divorce and I would say their differences are irreconcilable. Moira is getting what she deserves. You can’t kidnap your husband for six months and then offer him tea and crumpets when he comes home.

"Who the hell is Felicity Smoak?" Uh oh. Quentin has Felicity’s name. That ain’t good.

“Is the other archer working for Merlyn?” Please don’t make Diggle look this dumb again.

Merlyn versus Oliver battle was EPIC! The fight scenes this season are so stellar.

“Psychopaths are color coding themselves. That’s helpful.” HA!

Listen to the Watchover podcast reaction to 1x22!!!

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[joeey-dee]

I know you’re pretty anti Olicity but how do you feel about avalance if you don’t mind me asking. Love your fics by the way.

Hi

Thank you for your message. I don't mind.

Short answer is I feel about the same way about Avalance as I do Olicity. In my opinion Ava is about the same level of toxic as Felicity. She has a tendency to make everything Sara's going through about herself and never considers Sara's feelings yet expects Sara to always consider hers and even go as far as putting her own morales, convictions and feelings aside just to make Ava happy. I also don't like the way Ava treats Sara because of her past, and I don't just mean the League but also her former relationships or casual hook-ups. Plus can't stand her utter disregard of Oliver's importance in Sara's life and what loosing him did to her. And this turned out a lot longer than I intended, sorry. I feel Sara deserved better, just like Oliver.

I hope I answered your question, don't hesitate to let me know if I haven't or if you have any further questions, I'm happy to answer them.

Aw, thank you so much! This means a lot to me. I hope you have a wonderful day.

I forgot to mention that Avalance was one of the main reasons why I stopped watching Legends, just like Olicity had been for Arrow.

#otp: i chose you / i'm gonna stay with you #questions #answers #anti avalance #sara lance appreciation #why I don't like avalance #anti ava sharpe #canarrow #anti olicity #sara and oliver deserved better #arrow #legends of tomorrow #sara lance #white canary

[jooeeydee]

We know how Sara Lance likes her coffee, black with lots of sugar! We learn that early on in Legends Season One. You might like your coffee differently and that's fine, so is artistic liberty in matters the show didn't elaborate on but if the show gave us the answer, stick with it. And the shows gave us several people's coffee preferences. Sara drinks it black with two sugars, Oliver likes it black, Felicity drinks a none fat latte with extra sugar (that makes zero sense on a nutrition level) just to name a few. We got the info. So do your research. Use another methaphor. Sorry things like that just really annoy me. But then again, I spend hours working out the smallest detail and researching things like Max Fuller's wife's name...

She doesn't like her coffee bitter, like her relationships and dirty martini, the woman mainly drinks scotch!, like do your research if you use it as something to make a point about a character and their actions.

And Sara was not sleeping with whoever tickled her fancy during her time with the Legends. There were a few choice people she hooked up with but she wasn't sleeping her way through time as so many Avalance people would like to make it out.

And who the hell thinks Ava's sweet while Oliver is bitter? It's like the exact opposite. Oliver's the sweetest person on the planet, Ava is so fucking bitter it's not even funny anymore.

And I don't why I'm over here ranting. Blame it on all the people tagging fics as Canarow simply for mentioning the fact that Sara used to date Oliver. That's a fact, you don't need to tag it that for two sentences.

I swear I get heat for also tagging a Canarrow story Olicity because technically in the story Oliver is with Felicity as in the present but Avalance and Olicity people tag a story Canarrow just because Sara and Oliver having been together is mentioned or they break up in the first chapter and them actually being together is never shown in the story.

Make it make sense and stop tagging your toxic bullshit with my ship! There are so few Canarrow fics out there don't throw your anti-fics in there I don't want to see those toxic ships under my happy tag.

I think I'm done now.

And where are my fellow Canarrow writers at? I sort of want to go through with "there can't be a none Canarrow ship at the top of the Canarrow tag" but I'm one person, my muse is flakey and given the amount of Avalance and Olicity people that are currently falsely tagging their fics Canarrow I will not be able to do that.

Wow this post just turned into something entirely different.

Anyway... I hope everyone has a great day.

#sara lance appreciation #otp: i chose you / i'm gonna stay with you #canarrow #oliver x sara #sara x oliver #sara lance defence squad #pet peeve as a writer do your research! #sara lance likes her coffee sweet and that is important #oliver queen defence squad #he's the sweetest person on the planet #anti avalance I guess #anti olicity i guess #oliver and sara were so unbelievably sweet as a couple they gave you a sugar rush #stay the fuck out of our tag #keep your toxic ships out of our tag #canarrow fics are a rarety so don't taint them with wrongly tagged fics #yes I rant here because i would never make a writer feel bad by simply commenting because their tagging is in accurate bullshit #i'm not that person and i much rather uplift people with positive comments than tearing them down with negatives #inspire and motivate is the goal #but sometimes i gotta rant so here we are #arrow #legends of tomorrow

[chaztalk]

Them:

Me, looking at the number of fics on Ao3, for Percabeth, Olicity, Pepperony, Caskett, Naley, Korrasami, Clois, Langdyne, Everlark. There’s no issue with making more content with these canon ships.

#caskett #langdyne #pepperony #naley #clois #korrasami #olicity #anti romione #percabeth #everlark

[laurelwinchester]

today I saw a poll about what’s the worst fandom you’ve ever been I and saw someone say Arrow, okay, I’m with you, because “the dead bird stans were a pain in the ass.” so it’s uh. good to know the most toxic people are still toxic I guess.

well that very specific phrasing pretty much tells us all we need to know about that person, doesn't it?

translation: i was an abusive person and was called out on it and that annoyed me.

it blows my mind that there are somehow still olicity stans (really? in this economy?) out there acting like they were somehow the victims in the mess that was the arrow fandom lol. like what kind of sane and rational person looks at that garbage pile and comes to that conclusion? sure i got away with being abusive toxic waste and yes my disgusting behavior was consistently rewarded and i got everything i wanted, but i was still the victim because people were mean to me and wouldn't let me continue to harass and threaten and stalk real life people in peace. feel bad for me :((

sure jan.

#women with deeply ingrained internalized misogyny will abuse people online over a fictional cw ship instead of going to therapy #and then they will use that as their singular personality trait for the rest of their lives #the absolute audacity of that cult continues to astound me #asks #anon #anti olicity fandom #arrow fandom discourse

[fortressofserenity]

It’s only misogyny if

There’s a strange undercurrent to the Olicity fandom in that it’s only misogyny if it were directed at Felicity Smoak, if it’s somebody like Laurel Lance she will get bashed a lot regardless of the good things she could’ve done. I have the weird nagging feeling they’re like this because they see her as a threat to the Olicity ship. Like they’re not only too attached to Felicity Smoak, they’re too attached to Oliver Queen to the point of being unable to see him with anybody else.

I feel these people get really possessive of the characters they love, to the point where they’d lash out if somebody points out or portrays one of the characters otherwise. I don’t think they’re feminist in this regard, especially if their standards might already be narrow to begin with. Feminism is supposed to empower every woman, not just the most privileged one around. That’s why intersectional feminism happened, it addresses additional problems those who’re privileged don’t get to experience.

I think this is also the problem with the Snowbarry fandom, they get too possessive of their favourite characters that they bash Iris West a lot for it. Never mind that it’s Caitlin Snow who’s going to become a werewolf, so much for comparing Iris’s actress to a gorilla when it’s Cailtin who’ll be dehumanised big time. I think these fandoms are toxic, in that the only women they like are the women who don’t represent everybody else. Felicity doesn’t represent me in any way.

Same with Caitlin Snow, to the point where I feel Olicity and Snowbarry fandoms are anti-feminist because of this.

#anti-snowbarry #anti caitlin snow #anti-olicity #felicity smoak #caitlin snow #iris west #westallen #laurel lance #arrow #the flash