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the-seas-song · 2 months
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Tumblr is being extremely weird right now and won't let me answer @transexualpirate's ask about why I hate Tony/Pepper. This post is my answer to him:
Hi! Sorry for the late reply, my life got crazy.
The short answer: Pepper emotionally abuses (and slut-shames) Tony from IM2 onward.
The long answer: Pepper's behavior is extremely subtle, and a lot of people miss it. Unfortunately, it's been so normalized (at least here in the US) that a lot of other people will deny – and even defend! it. However, I grew up with family members like her and I have a background in psych.
I have to start this off with a disclaimer: I CAN'T be objective/un-triggered when talking about Pepper Potts or Peggy Carter (we don't shoot at someone just because we have a crush on them and they kissed (got assaulted by) someone else!)
Anyway, back to Pepper. …. I thought I could write out a full analysis without getting too triggered, but I can't. So I've included links to some great articles that cover the nuances of emotional abuse:
https://nycchildtherapy.info/emotional-abuse/ (Pepper checks almost every box on this list)
(scroll down to the 4 horseman) https://www.marriage-family-counseling.com/good-marriage.html
Personally I feel like the term 'gaslighting' gets overused, but it's definitely applicable here:
How do you know that you're being gaslighted? A victim experiences increased self-doubt as the gaslighter insists that what he or she remembers, thinks, and feels is wrong. The manipulative individual will introduce lies in more sensitive arenas, aiming to disrupt and distort foundational aspects of the victim’s being, wearing them down, establishing confusion, and forcing them to rely on the gaslighter’s version of reality.
Passive-aggressiveness is just as insidious as gaslighting:
Passive aggressive people take genuine pleasure in frustrating others. They are masters at getting others to act out their angry feelings--to explode and appear crazy--while the passive aggressive person sits back and watches the emotional outburst with satisfaction, total control, and always with their own poise intact.
Here's the transcript (and my commentary in [brackets]) from IM3 (a transcript can only do so much, because a lot of this is tone of voice as well as word choice):
[later Pepper returns to Tony's home, as she gets out of the car she sees a large stuffed rabbit outside the house that Tony has bought for her as a gift, she walks inside]
Pepper Potts: I'm sorry I'm late. I was... What the...? What is that?!
[she notices Tony sat in his Iron Man suit on the couch]
Pepper Potts: You're wearing this in the house now? What is that, like Mark 15? [criticism and sarcasm]
[Tony looks at the small number marked 42 on the suit]
Tony Stark: Uh...yeah. Something like that. You know everybody needs a hobby.
Pepper Potts: Oh, and you have to wear your hobby in the living room? [passive-aggressiveness]
[Tony rises and walks toward her]
Tony Stark: Just breakin' it in. You know, it's always a little pinchy in the gooey bag at first, so.
[Tony shakes his ass and Pepper laughs]
Tony Stark: Oh hey, did you see your Christmas present?
Pepper Potts: Yes, I did. I...I don't know how I could have missed that Christmas present. Is it gonna fit through the door? [more sarcasm and passive-aggressiveness]
Tony Stark: Well actually, uh...it's a good question. I got a team of guys comin' tomorrow, they're gonna blow out that wall.
Pepper Potts: Okay.
Tony Stark: So, uh...tense? Good day?
[Tony walks up behind her and starts massaging her shoulders]
Tony Stark: Ooh shoulders, a little knotty. Naughty girl. I don't wanna harp on this, but did you like the custom rabbit?
Pepper Potts: Did I like it? Tony Stark: Nailed it, right? Pepper Potts: Wow. I appreciate the thought very much. [even more sarcasm and passive-aggressiveness; withholding the validation Tony's seeking]
[Pepper turns to face Tony, she rises from her seat and stands close to him]
Pepper Potts: So why don't you lift up that face mask and give me a kiss? [not only takes control of/manipulates the situation but makes it physical/sexual]
[Tony knocks the metal helmet on his head]
Tony Stark: Huh. Yup, dammit. No can do. You wanna just kiss it on the...
Pepper Potts: Uh-huh.
Tony Stark: The facial slit?
Pepper Potts: Well, why don't I run down to the garage and see if I can't find a crowbar to shimmy that thing open?
Tony Stark: Crowbar. Yeah.
[Pepper starts walking towards Tony's lab]
Tony Stark: Oh, except there's been a...uh...a radiation leak.
Pepper Potts: I'll take my chances.
Tony Stark: That's risky.
[Pepper walks down the stairs to Tony's lab]
Tony Stark: At least let me get you like a Hazmat suit or a Geiger counter or something like that.
[Pepper sees Tony is in fact not in his Iron Man suit, but in the lab exercising as he remotely controls the suit, which follows Pepper into the lab]
Tony Stark: Busted.
Pepper Potts: This is a new level of lame. [explicit criticism and contempt]
Tony Stark: Sorry.
[Pepper notices the food tray in the corner]
Pepper Potts: You ate without me? Already? On date night? [passive-aggressive criticism, even though she was the one late and didn't call ahead]
Tony Stark: [referring to Mark 42 suit] He was just...
Pepper Potts: You mean you?
Tony Stark: Well, yeah. I just mean we were just...just hosting you -
[Pepper scoffs] [passive-aggressive contempt]
Tony Stark: -while I finished up a little work.
Pepper Potts: Uh-huh.
Tony Stark: And yes, I had a quick bite. I didn't know if you were comin' home or if you were having drinks with Aldrich Killian.
[Mark 42 suit turns its face toward her]
Pepper Potts: What?
Tony Stark: What?
Pepper Potts: Aldrich Killian? What are you checking up on me? [defensive accusation]
Tony Stark: Happy was concerned. [THE TRUTH]
Pepper Potts: No, you're spying on me. [gaslighting]
Tony Stark: I wasn't...
Pepper Potts: I'm going to bed. [Pepper turns and starts walking off] [passive-aggressive power play]
Tony Stark: Hold on. Come on. Pep.
[as Pepper starts walking upstairs]
Tony Stark: Hey, I admit it! My fault. Sorry. [NO ITS NOT]
[Pepper stops and looks at him]
Tony Stark: I'm a piping hot mess. It's been going on for a while, I haven't said anything.
[Pepper walks back down]
Tony Stark: Nothing's been the same since New York.
Pepper Potts: Oh really? Well, I didn't notice that, at all. [sarcasm]
Tony Stark: You experience things and then they're over and you still can't explain 'em. Gods, aliens, other dimensions. I...I'm just a man in a can. The only reason I haven't cracked up is probably because you moved in. Which is great. I love you, I'm lucky. But, honey, I can't sleep. You go to bed, I come down here. I do what I know, I tinker. [he pauses for a moment and sits down]  [lots of healthy I statements!]
Tony Stark: But threat is imminent, and I have to protect the one thing that I can't live without. That's you. My suits, they're uh...
Pepper Potts: Machines. [gaslighting]
Tony Stark: They're part of me.
Pepper Potts: A distraction. [GASLIGHTING]
Tony Stark: Maybe.
[Pepper walks towards Tony and they hold each other. He rests his head against her chest and she removes his headband that controls the Iron Man suits]
Pepper Potts: I'm gonna take a shower. 
Tony Stark: Okay.
[Pepper turns to walk off, then stops and looks at him]
Pepper Potts: And you're gonna join me. [sexual control/manipulation instead of validation and comfort]
Tony Stark: Better.
[later that night, as Tony and Pepper are sleeping, Tony starts having nightmares about when he was in New York with The Avengers and had to get rid of the nuke in space, Pepper wakes and starts to shake Tony awake]
Pepper Potts: Tony! Tony! Tony! Tony...
[suddenly Pepper gets grabbed and shoved off Tony by Mark 42 suit, this wakes Tony who commands the suit]
Tony Stark: Power down!
[the suit shuts down and Tony hits it making its pieces fall apart, he looks over at Pepper who is in shock]
Tony Stark: I must have called it in my sleep. That's not supposed to happen. I'll recalibrate the sensors. Can we just...just let me...just let me catch my breath, okay?
[Pepper rises and starts to leave]
Tony Stark: Don't go, alright? Pepper?
Pepper Potts: I'm going to sleep downstairs. Tinker with that. [verbal attack and gaslighting]
[Pepper leaves the room]
Pepper has every right to be scared and upset here. She does not have the right to take it out on Tony – especially since he is obviously still in the middle of his ptsd episode. Even then, his immediate response is to take responsibility and explain the actions he's going to take to keep it from happening again. This is incredible! Most people aren't able to do this in a normal setting, much less during a ptsd episode.
And we know Tony's still going through it, because he then desperately begs her not to leave. And not only does she leave, she does it while blaming him and Iron Man. But Iron Man didn't create Tony's trauma. The wormhole did. The Iron Man suits are the only security blanket Tony currently has.
Lets contrast this with Steve. MCU!Steve (and Stony) are not nearly as abrasive or antagonistic as people make them out to be. In fact, the reason why Steve's “Oh God, Tony! Every time. Every time I think you're seeing things the right way...” and Tony's “And you’ve been a complete idiot!” hit so hard is because they don't normally talk this way. They don't insult or verbally attack each other (at least, not since the helicarrier)
AOU is a perfect example:
Bruce Banner: This is insane.
Steve Rogers: JARVIS was the first line of defense. He would've shut Ultron down, it makes sense.
Bruce Banner: No, Ultron could've assimilated Jarvis. This isn't strategy, this is...rage.
[Thor barges in and grabs hold of Stark by his throat, holding him up]
Clint Barton: Woah, woah, woah! It's going around.
Tony Stark: [to Thor] Come on. Use your words, buddy.
Thor: I have more than enough words to describe you, Stark.
Steve Rogers: Thor! The Legionnaire.
[Thor lets go of Stark]
Thor: Trail went cold about a hundred miles out but it's headed north, and it has the scepter. Now we have to retrieve it, again.
Natasha Romanoff: The genie's out of that bottle. Clear and present is Ultron.
Dr. Helen Cho: I don't understand. You built this program. Why is it trying to kill us?
[Stark starts laughing, Banner subtly shakes his head at him to get him to stop]
Thor: You think this is funny?
Tony Stark: No. It's probably not, right? Is this very terrible? Is it so... is it so... it is. It's so terrible.
Thor: This could've been avoided if you hadn't played with something you don't understand.
Tony Stark: No, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It is funny. It's a hoot that you don't get why we need this.
Bruce Banner: Tony, maybe this might not be the time to--
Tony Stark: Really?! That's it? You just roll over, show your belly, every time somebody snarls.
Bruce Banner: Only when I've created a murder bot.
Tony Stark: We didn't. We weren't even close. Were we close to an interface?
Steve Rogers: Well, you did something right. And you did it right here. The Avengers were supposed to be different than SHIELD.
Tony Stark: Anybody remember when I carried a nuke through a wormhole?
James Rhodes: No, it's never come up.
Tony Stark: Saved New York?
James Rhodes: Never heard that.
Tony Stark: Recall that? A hostile alien army came charging through a hole in space. We're standing three hundred feet below it. We're the Avengers. We can bust arms dealers all the live long day, but, that up there? That's... that's the end game. How were you guys planning on beating that?
Steve Rogers: Together.
Tony Stark: We'll lose.
Steve Rogers: Then we'll do that together, too.
[Stark looks at him for a moment before turning away] 
Steve Rogers: Thor's right. Ultron's calling us out. And I'd like to find him before he's ready for us. The world's a big place. Let's start making it smaller.
I bolded the verbal attacks, you statements, and sarcasm – all of which come from Thor and Rhodey. Steve's angry and feeling triggered (he is obviously flashing back to SHIELDRA and Howard and Peggy's betrayal), but he's not using abusive speech patterns to express his anger.
[Steve and Tony are chopping wood outside Barton's house]
Tony Stark: Thor didn't say where he was going for answers?
Steve Rogers: Sometimes my teammates don't tell me things. [looks at Barton with his kids] I was kind of hoping Thor would be the exception.
Tony Stark: Yeah, give him time. We don't know what the Maximoff kid showed him.
Steve Rogers: “Earth's Mightiest Heroes.” Pulled us apart like cotton candy.
Tony Stark: Seems like you walked away all right.
Steve Rogers: Is that a problem?
Tony Stark: I don't trust a guy without a dark side. Call me old fashioned.
Steve Rogers: Well let's just say you haven't seen it yet.
Tony Stark: You know Ultron is trying to tear us apart, right?
Steve Rogers: Well I guess you'd know. Whether you tell us is a bit of a question.
Tony Stark: Banner and I were doing research.
Steve Rogers: That would affect the team.
Tony Stark: That would end the team. Isn't that the mission? Isn't that the “why” we fight, so we can end the fight, so we get to go home?
Steve Rogers: [rips log apart] Every time someone tries to win a war before it starts, innocent people die. Every time.
Tony is the one who escalates the conversation here (“Seems like you walked away all right.”) – Steve's angry, but his tone is conversational and he's opening up to Tony. His response to Tony is sarcastic (“Well I guess you'd know. Whether you tell us is a bit of a question.”); but it's still direct, and he still isn't using any insults. He's expressing his anger in a mostly healthy way.
[Steve and the twins turn up at the lab]
Steve Rogers: I'm gonna say this once.
Tony Stark: How about “nonce”?
Steve Rogers: Shut it down!
Tony Stark: Nope, not gonna happen.
Steve Rogers: You don't know what you're doing.
Bruce Banner: And you do? She's not in your head?
Wanda Maximoff: I know you're angry.
Bruce Banner: Oh, we're way past that. I could choke the life out of you and never change a shade.
Steve Rogers: Banner, after everything that's happened--
Tony Stark: That's nothing compared to what's coming!
Wanda Maximoff: You don't know what's in there!
Steve Rogers: This isn't a game--
Wanda Maximoff: The creature--
[Pietro uses his speed to destroy the lab equipment]
Pietro Maximoff: No, no. Go on. You were saying?
[Barton shoots the glass Pietro is standing to stand to destroy it, and Pietro falls through]
Wanda Maximoff: Pietro!
Clint Barton: What? You didn't see that coming?
Tony Stark: I'm rerouting the upload.
Bruce Banner: [to Wanda, as he grabs her] Go ahead, piss me off. [After some fighting, Thor enters and hits the cradle with his hammer, sending a powerful bolt of lightning through it that brings the body to life] Wait! [they all look in shock at the new entity]
[Vision launches himself at Thor, who throws him at a window, but he catches himself right before hitting it.]
Vision: [In JARVIS' voice, as everyone gathers around him] I'm sorry, that was...odd. [to Thor] Thank you.
Steve Rogers: Thor, you helped create this?
Thor: I've had a vision. A whirlpool that sucks in all hope of life and at its center is that. [he points to the gem inside Vision's head]
Bruce Banner: What, the gem?
Thor: It's the Mind Stone. It's one of the six Infinity Stones, the greatest power in the universe, unparalleled in its destructive capabilities.
Steve Rogers: Then why would you bring it to...
Thor: Because Stark is right.
Bruce Banner: Oh, it's definitely the end times.
Thor: The Avengers cannot defeat Ultron.
Vision: Not alone.
Steve Rogers: Why does your “vision” sound like JARVIS?
Tony Stark: We... reconfigured JARVIS' matrix to create something new.
Steve Rogers: I think I've had my fill of new.
Vision: You think I'm a child of Ultron?
Steve Rogers: You're not?
Vision: I'm not Ultron. I'm not JARVIS. I am... I am.
Wanda Maximoff: I looked in your head and saw annihilation.
Vision: Look again.
Clint Barton: Yeah. Her seal of approval means jack to me.
Thor: Their powers, the horrors in our heads, Ultron himself, they all came from the Mind Stone, and they're nothing compared to what it can unleash. But with it on our side...
Steve Rogers: Is it? Are you? On our side?
Bruce is the one who insults Tony here (and poor Steve just wants to understand what the hell is happening).
Back to Pepper. A lot of people forget that Rhodey was the only one who wanted Tony to grow and change:
James Rhodes: You don't respect yourself, so I know you don't respect me.
Tony Stark: I respect you.
[cut]
James Rhodes: You are constitutionally incapable of being responsible.
[cut]
James Rhodes: That's what I'm talking about. When I get up in the morning and I'm putting on my uniform, you know what I recognize? I see in that mirror that every person that's got this uniform on got my back!
Tony Stark: Hey, you know what? I'm not like you. I'm not cut out...
James Rhodes: No, no. You don't have to be like me! But you're more than what you are. And you don't see it.
Tony Stark: Can you excuse me if I'm a bit distracted here?
James Rhodes: No! You can't be distracted right now! Listen to me!
Contrast this with Pepper and Happy:
Tony Stark: Same drill. They've been dealing under the table, and I'm going to stop them. I'm going to find my weapons and destroy them.
Pepper Potts: Tony, you know that I would help you with anything, but I cannot help you if you're going to start all of this again.
Tony Stark: There is nothing except this. There's no art opening. There is no benefit. There is nothing to sign. There is the next mission and nothing else.
Pepper Potts: Is that so? Well, then, I quit. [Pepper throws the lock chip on the table.]
Tony Stark: You stood by my side all these years while I reaped the benefits of destruction. And now that I'm trying to protect the people that I put in harm's way, you're going to walk out?
Pepper Potts: You're going to kill yourself, Tony. I'm not going to be a part of it.
Tony Stark: I shouldn't be alive, unless it was for a reason. I'm not crazy, Pepper. I just finally know what I have to do. And I know in my heart that it's right.
Pepper Potts: [Pepper picks the lock drive back up.] You're all I have, too, you know. 
And:
Happy Hogan: Yeah, I miss you too. But the way it used to be. Now you're off with the 'superfriends', I don't know what's going on with you anymore. The world's getting weird...
When we are in a relationship with someone (it doesn't matter what kind) and they grow and change, we are left with the choice of either growing ourselves, or walking away/growing distant with that person. 
Pepper does neither. She uses emotional abuse to try to control Tony and manipulate him into acting the way she wants him to act – giving up Iron Man and living a selfish civilian life as her kept genius.
This is in direct contrast to Rhodey, Yinsen, and Steve, who see that Tony has had the potential to be “Earth's Best Defender” all along.
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POV: it’s 2024 but I just came across an anti pepperony post (which led to me binge scrolling on your blog) and it reignited something inside me that I forgot was there.
Seriously, Pepper had potential. And on her own she could be a good character. But Marvel only wants her to exist as an extension of Tony which is unfair to both of them. If they’re going to try sell the romance, at least make them get along.
But no! It’s a selfish relationship on both sides! Tony “loves” Pepper because he thinks she’s helping him cope with his PTSD and making his life a bit more normal. And Pepper only “loves” the idealised aspects of Tony Stark. Which wouldn’t be bad if Marvel could properly explore that, which - surprise surprise - they don’t!
Pepper likes the idea of a romance with Tony Stark, but not what comes with it. “It’s cool he’s a hero, but I don’t like that he works on so many suits.” “It’s good he saves lives, but I don’t like that it takes time away from me.” “It’s impressive how smart he is, but I don’t like that he’s so quick to make a decision to sacrifice himself if it calls for it.”
I like Pepper, but not Pepperony!…which is pretty much all she is in the MCU, real shame. They’ve wasted potential with her there. I’ll just stick to my fanfics because she’s written better there. (I’ve not read the comics so she might be alright in those. Although I remember hearing something once about her marrying Happy in the comics so she was never meant to be with Tony anyway! Everyone lost out with that one, Pepper and Happy and us!)
Don't worry, it might sound funny but the most binge-liking I get usually it's about my takes on pepperony and it always makes me feel less lonely in the not liking the ship corner so, thank you!
I think I would have liked Pepper better if she was played by a different actress as well, but that's a me problem, and I totally agree on Tony clinging to that relationship because of his desire of "normality" in a certain sense. Also, yes, from what I know about the comics - which is definetly not a lot - she and Happy are married and I can see myself shipping them if they'd put more effort into it (there's some hint in Iron Man 2, I guess, before they decided to go for the other romance), but they decided that they had to serve the cliche-y ship without even giving too much depth to it and that's another thing which never really had me sold on them.
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sounds-of-some-day · 10 months
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I feel like Iron Man 2 is just one long treatise on why Tony and Pepper would never work as a couple that for some reason inexplicably ends with them being a couple.
And like, I don't actually hate on Pepper or the ship. I actually think there's something very tragically romantic about having two people that love one another incredibly deeply (and I don't doubt that Tony loves Pepper and that Pepper loves Tony) but ultimately come to the mutual decision that they just don't work together as a couple.
And yes, I'm a whore for some heartaching angst but, like, that's a beautiful story I'd love to see told. Because it's also a very realistic story.
In my personal and very humble opinion, Tony and Pepper only work if Tony changes literally everything about himself and fits himself into a very specific mold that Pepper is willing to accept*. And it works, for a while. They're actually quite cute together in Avengers.
But by the time we're at IM3, they're already slipping back into not communicating with one another. And by Civil War they've broken up. Because while Pepper loves Tony, he's not the type of person she can actually settle down with. They are fundamentally different people with different goals and different outlooks on life, and those differences are incompatible with one another in the long term.
The only reason they work in Endgame is because Tony has, once again, fit himself into the proper mold. And some people might say that Tony changed because he wanted to and because of his experiences in Infinity War, but I just don't think someone can change the entire core of who they are as a person.
And he doesn't, right? Cause all it takes is one visit from Steve for that core Tony to come out again.
Anyway, there's my late night rant on the MCU (and Hollywood in general). Not every love story has to end up with the couple being together.
*Like blowing up all of his suits -- and then immediately turning around and building them again.
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back in my anti pepper potts/pepperony era
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ircn-dad · 8 months
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Can we talk about how cute it is that Peter thought Tony was that tall for the bunny ears?
And also... does that mean they didn't plan at all to do bunny ears to each other? I mean, if they had planned it, Peter would have checked to see if he was doing them right.
So that means that originally the photo was going to be with Tony's arm around Peter's back, and Peter's arm around Tony's shoulders.
These two will never stop making me cry.
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falllpoutboy · 5 months
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if you have to fill in all the blanks to make your ship work then maybe your ship isnt really that good in the first place
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chaztalk · 2 years
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Them:
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Me, looking at the number of fics on Ao3, for Percabeth, Olicity, Pepperony, Caskett, Naley, Korrasami, Clois, Langdyne, Everlark. There’s no issue with making more content with these canon ships.
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hitchell-mope · 5 months
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Still a great movie. I’ll start the next one tomorrow.
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cloudbells · 6 months
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Hi there, question for you: do you filter any tags? What are they, if you don't mind sharing? (even just a yes or no answer is helpful if you don't wish to elaborate)
Just FYI, I'm going around and asking this same question to others in the community (so please don't feel targeted or anything like that), but if you wouldn't mind answering this question, I'd be very curious to know your answer!
If you do answer, please consider tagging your reply "#filtered tags ask" for convenience, and if you're inclined to copy/paste this ask into others' ask boxes, it'd be much appreciated 🙏
Yes I do! And no I don't mind sharing. Anyone who's spent time on my blog (or time just speaking to me) knows exactly what I hate, so I'm not revealing private info here lol. I'm just gonna share a couple screenshots cause I don't feel like listing them
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I mostly block FYP things for this account because my follow list is very small, so I want to see everything posted. My main account has a bigger variety of things muted though tbh
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heathersproship · 5 months
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guys i dont mean to hate or anything i really don't, so i'm sorry if it sounds like that. i'm just a little confused, though. i really just wanna see proshipping from your perspective since i'm very confused and i wanna see it from all perspective. also i'm really sorry if this seems rude i swear i'm not trying to be i just wanna understand 😭
You’re good, no worries!
Proship is being decent to your fellow fans. It’s recognizing we all have different tastes, and understanding that those different tastes don’t mean one of us is automatically wrong. There’s no “right or wrong” when it’s a matter of opinion because opinions are not facts.
Here’s an analogy I hope will help.
Think of fandom like a party. Parties are fun. You come here to have fun.
Now think of fiction as the food you find at the party (since we consume it). To really narrow it down, let’s use pizza.
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There’s the classic cheese pizza (genfic), pepperoni (fluff), olives (angst), olives and pepperoni combo (hurt/comfort), sausage (smut), and pineapple (darkfic) to name just a few. They’re all side by side at the table, and each one is in its own big pizza box labeled with large letters so you know exactly what you’re getting from which box. CHEESE sits on one end of the row, PINEAPPLE sits on the other. None of them are touching each other.
Let’s say you really like cheese. You’ll eat all the cheese pizza you can get your hands on, but you hate pineapple. You think it’s the most disgusting thing in the world, and you wouldn’t eat it for $1mil. In fact, you wouldn’t eat it if it was the very last morsel of food on earth and you were starving.
You arrive at the party and make your way to the table, ready to chow down on some quality food. But on your way to your beloved cheese pizza, your precious, you pass by the icky and dreaded pineapple pizza.
What would you do?
A) ignore the pineapple pizza, take your cheese pizza and walk away from the table
B) warn other people not to take the pineapple pizza because “it’s disgusting!”
C) make a scene about it, screaming “OH EWWWWWWWWWW WHO PUT THAT GARBAGE ON THE TABLE WHERE THE FOOD IS?? YUCK! GROSS! THERE ARE CHILDREN HERE!”
If you answered A, that’s what being proship is. Proship isn’t blindly approving of everything at the table just because it’s there for you to consume—it’s supporting the right for everything to be there even if it doesn’t do anything for you. (ex. I like incest, but I don’t care for smut, and if I happen to see that my bestie is reading smut while sitting right next to me, then I hope she’s enjoying herself!) It’s labeling the pizzas so people can take what they want and avoid what they don’t want. You understand that there are other people at the party, and not everything there is exclusively for you, and that’s okay. That’s great, actually, because you can eat cheese with party friends who also like cheese, and for those friends who don’t like cheese, guess what? More cheese for you! No one feels bad, it’s a win-win all around! Party on!
If you answered B, that’s less okay. While your intentions may be good, it’s ultimately not your call whether others will find the pineapple as disgusting as you do. While you could be saving someone from a potentially horrible and traumatizing experience, you could also be depriving them of a really good one. It’s up to them to decide whether they like it or not, not you. Things are a little awkward, but still salvageable.
If you answered C, you’re an anti. You make the party a lot less fun with your outburst, and now people are afraid to go near the pizza for fear of taking the “wrong” one (even though there’s no wrong answer—never has been and never will be). You think everyone who likes, much less actively chooses to consume, pineapple pizza has something deeply wrong with their brain, and if you find out a disgusting pineapple-lover so much as breathes in your direction, you’re going to personally kick them out yourself because people who eat the literal garbage that is pineapple belong outside like the disease-ridden RATS they are, not inside at parties where they could poison everyone—especially the young, vulnerable, impressionable CHILDREN—with their RABIES. And while you’re busy moralizing over pizza, making it your business what other people put in their mouths, the other party-goers are feeling bad about themselves for the crime of... simply having a different preference to yours. They can’t help what they like or dislike any more than you can. They’re not rats, and they definitely don’t have rabies. They’re not going to infect you or the (literal or figurative) children with rabies they don’t have. Some of the pineapple pizza lovers might be children, are they condemned too? Or have they simply become “lost” and you’ll “fix” them to like the “right” things? Oh, but it doesn’t stop there. Once the pineapple is gone, then sausage is the Bad Pizza, and then olives (oli&pep combo is on thin ice), until there’s only one or two “safe” options to pick from, and if the party-goers don’t like them, they’re just as bad as the pineapple-lovers, and the sausage-lovers, and the olive-lovers. Filthy vermin, all of them! Banished! Begone! And when that party has died down, you’ll find another party to go to and do it all over again! Sounds exhausting, and I don’t recommend.
...this kind of got away from me but I hope it gives you something to chew on! Let me know if I need to be clearer! I tried to make this as short as possible!
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slyandthefamilybook · 7 months
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can we talk about how casual and common anti-kosher discrimination is
when my dealership was. bought a month and a half ago the new HR people very sweetly asked if anyone had any dietary restrictions, because they buy us lunch every Saturday (another issue for another post). I told them I keep kosher. To date they have gotten us lunch 5 times. they haven't gotten a kosher meal once
a couple hours ago my professor told us some guys from Nissan were stopping by the school and were very kindly getting us all pizza. he asked if anyone had any dietary restrictions. I told him I keep kosher. they got pepperoni
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❤️⭐️Get To Know Me⭐️💙
a brief introduction to your friendly neighborhood Parker Kinnie
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⭐️ General To Know Jazz ⭐️
Names/Nicknames: Parker, Heebles
Age: 21
Pronouns: He/They/It
Primary Hobbies/Interests: Art, Gaming, Movie Watching, Food
⭐️ Interests, Info & Hobbies Elaborated! ⭐️
My Parker Kinnie Sources: Raimi Spiderman, TASM Movies, Insomniac Spiderman, Some Spiderverse Movie stuff (i just generally pull a lot of kinnieism from a lot of parker’s core narrative themes/struggles lol)
Special Interests: Pokemon, Animals
Current Interests +: HTML Coding, Pixel Art, Art RPGs, Pokemon, Dinosaurs, “Bugs”, Hazbin/Helluva (im critical as fuck of these), Character Design, Mood boards/stimboards, 4*Town, Diorama creation, food/cooking
Current Disinterests: talking abt politics here??, im actually not sure what to put here rn ngl 🫡
Hobbies +: Watching Movies (Horror Especially), Playing Games, Watchin Video Essays & Restoration or Tiny Cooking Videos
Games I Enjoy RN: Planet Zoo, Subnautica, Pokemon, Lioden, Slime Rancher 1 & 2, webbed
Cool Queer Labels I’ve Collected: Aro/Ace Spec, Pansexual, Polyamorous, Nonbinary, Transgender, Xenogender
⭐️ Trivia :]!
- favorite color is purple
- my main fursona is a wild boar monster!
- im a big parksborn shipper but im also a huge multishipper 🍕🫶
- i actually dont eat pepperoni, my pizza order is a medium pan w/ extra sauce n light cheese 🍕🍕 but thats ok!
- im a southern parker kinnie 🫡 image pete w/ a slight texan twang ig
- im hella into red heads Harry Osbo :3
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Nothin Rn 🍕 There will probably be an art masterlist or AU masterlist one day
Definitely gonna be a blinkie masterlist lol
Fun Blinkies!
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Since I've read some of your takes over Pepper, I would like to add one too;
I feel weird about the fact Pepper never understood why Tony was Iron Man. Clearly people say either she was scared that he would die, she was concerned and worried reason she never agreed what he'd become. For me, it's like not letting a soldier protect his country, no matter how worse the situation is, because the wife doesn't want her husband to die.
On the other hand, Tony knew the world might be in danger, and he was right. The world needed him and regardless how many people pushed him down, or he lost everything, he got back up again. She thinks his suits are just "machines" or a "distraction" when actually Tony made them as a coping mechanism to prep himself for the upcoming threat. Unless if she would have like, told him that he was doing everything he can in his power and doesn't have to worry about anything, then I might agree. But what's with literally disagreeing with his Iron Man counterpart?
Part 2 of my ask; Like I get that feeling. The fear. The concern, that someone is going out to fight, and you're afraid they won't come back. But she went way too hard on it. It not just prevented Tony from being Iron Man, but made his paranoia way worse than ever. Seriously, this makes me feel so complicated than ever.
Yes, I agree! I’ve never said P*pper’s fear was unjustified but it’s how she’s merely focused on that and not on how being Iron Man actually helps Tony/how building suits to protect the world is his copying mechanism which is wrong.
She acts only out of how she feels about it and pushes him toward that to the point of reaching the IW ultimatum and while most of the people could have turn a blind eye to the rest, I still don’t understand how they can justify her after the Central Park scene especially in light of the following events.
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millieueu · 4 months
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🌟 millieueu’s intro! 🌟
(Active only on Thursdays, Fridays and Saturdays)
Haven’t introduced myself sooo here we go!
Hi!! My name’s millieueu (pronounced as “mill-lulu”). I prefer if you just called me “Millie” instead. I’m a 14 year old introvert who suffers with low-self esteem and is an artist who’s trying to improve! <3
I’m female (pronouns : she/her). My birthday is September 12th. I have a non-identical twin sister!
In this blog, you’ll just occasionally see me reblog Danny Phantom and MLAATR stuff :p
I might even post my art here whenever I can! (Art tag : #millieueu )
I do both traditional AND digital art. My favorite kind of art is lineless art. I mainly draw fanart of cartoons I like!
Likes
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Editing
Drawing
Family & Friends
Movies/TV Shows/Books
Danny Phantom <3
Tumblr, Youtube & Instagram
Pepperoni Pizza, Twisters from TGI Fridays
Etc!
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Anti Gacha
The Gacha Community (neutral)
Politics
Silly drama
My sisters fighting over dumb things
School
Nickelodeon (They have good cartoons but they suck ass)
Cringe culture
BYF (BEFORE YOU FOLLOW)
Just so you know that I’m only active on Thursdays, Fridays and Saturdays due to school (unless if it’s a special day).
I tend to get in a really bad mood and act aggressive when someone tries to start an argument with me, so be cautious and try to treat me decently
I have low-self esteem. I care a little too much abt what other people think of me. Please remember to be nice when giving criticism.
I don’t mind adults interacting with me as long as they don’t say anything inappropriate to me or act weird around me
I block NSFW accounts
Please do not ask to vent on my page. I only allow close friends to do that. I’m not the problem solver for everything
Do not bring up the topic of “blackwashing”, I have no say in it
If you have a suggestion or tips for my drawings to be improved, please feel free to send me a DM.
DNI (DO NOT INTERACT)
Basic DNI Criteria (Why do I need to list them anyways? It’s common sense to know who SHOULD and SHOULDN’T interact with me)
Xenophobes
Islamophobes
Interested in politics
NSFW accounts
Pompous Pep (DannyxVlad) and BillDip (BillxDipper) shippers
Seiusa (SeiyaxUsagi) shippers and Usagi x Demande shippers
Anti Gachas
People who support cringe culture
People who know me irl (These people are exceptions though)
People who are part of the floptropica/floptok community (I’m sorry but their jokes make me uncomfortable. They aren’t funny at all neither are they are quirky for doing it. It’s very repetitive. Their “history” is made up nonsense too. If you’re part of that community please stay away from me or I will block you immediately)
DaBoyzz (They are just as bad as the floptropicans)
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ClareLaBelleRose (Had an argument with her on my old account (Melonz 🍉), accused Naoko Takeuchi of being a “pedophile”. Falsely assumed that the Sailor Senshis are “white” *they are ASIAN*. Falsely accused Sailor Moon of racism *Toei Animation should be blamed for that, not the entire franchise*. Immature)
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Sailor Moon
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Kim Possible
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Hilda
LoliRock
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Comfort Characters <3
Danny Fenton/Phantom
Jazz Fenton
Valerie Gray
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Sheldon Oswald Lee (Guilty pleasure)
Rei Hino
Ami Mizuno
Usagi Tsukino
Chibiusa Tsukino
Anne Boonchuy
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Fun Facts (Some of them aren’t that “fun” though :/)
I used to be a TodoDeku shipper 💀
I used to love Bakugou Katsuki, not anymore though.
I was a huge fan of DOAWK and used to simp for Rodrick XD
Drawing Danny Fenton is my coping mechanism <3
Strawberries are my favorite fruits
Fictional Crushes :
Rodrick Heffley (I was so down bad for his emo ass, I no longer have a crush on him though).
Katsuki Bakugou (Also another one of my old crushes. I hate him now >:( )
Danny Phantom (My current crush XD)
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(This can change sometimes!!)
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That’s all, thank you for visiting my profile! :3
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corpocyborg · 17 days
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1, 18, 41 for Valerie? :3
Thanks for the ask!
Questions here.
01) What’s the lie your character says most often?
She has an extreme tendency to hide her physical impulses, specifically the ones that are derisive towards other people. I write in third-person limited, so the narrative takes place in her head, and every other paragraph she's thinking about how she wants to roll her eyes or smirk or yell or make a rude comment, but she almost always suppresses it.
Her specialty as a Counter Intel agent is building large networks of informants and turning the agents of other groups to Arasaka's side, so she has to know how to convince people to like and trust her.
That's one of the skills she starts to lose as Johnny's personality sinks more and more into her psyche, and it drives her crazy because she really valued that skill.
18) Who do they love truly, 100% unconditionally (if anyone)?
I don't know about "unconditionally" because she'd say that love should be conditional. If an emotion doesn't have a basis in reason, it should ideally be dismissed. But, of course, in practice it's often not that simple.
Anyway... regarding people she loves...
The most obvious choice is Goro. She didn't really date in her early or mid 20s. She's married to her job. Even with Goro, it's a slow burn. She thinks of him as a soulmate in a platonic way before she thinks of him as one in a romantic way. The foundation of their relationship is mutual respect and a strong sense of kinship. She can see that he has the same respect for order and authority that she does, but more importantly she can see his appreciation for their kind of lifestyle, and that's what really attracts her to him. She cannot abide a reluctant corpo, and really doesn't understand why they don't just leave. At the same time, Goro respects order just a little more than she does and is just a little more reluctant than she is, which can create problems for them. (In other words, she's Lawful Evil and he's Lawful Neutral). She's very fond of Jackie. She thinks he's really intelligent and that despite all his moralizing, he often thinks in a much more profit-orientated way than he'd ever admit. Although he often disagrees with her, she dismisses his anti-Arasaka sentiment as silly and naive. She can get pretty patronizing about it, actually (although normally not out loud). But ultimately, even if she probably wouldn't use the word "love" to describe how she feels about him, she would risk her life and even her career for him in a not totally self-serving kinda way. Her zeal for the concept of Saburo Arasaka is more akin to religion than love. She thinks he pretty much single-handedly changed the course of modern history and shaped the world as she knows it. You have to understand, V loves the world she finds herself in. She doesn't care if she has to eat pepperoni made of locusts as long as she also has cyberware-enhanced super powers. So when I say she thinks he shaped the world, I mean that she's grateful. Of course, if there's anyone who can disappoint you in a more devastating way than a parent, it's a god. 41) What phrases, pronunciations, or mannerisms did they pick up from someone / somewhere else? In terms of phrases and pronunciations, my V definitely speaks pretty differently from the canon V. She uses a lot less slang and shorthand, and she's also a lot more formal in her cadence and vocabulary. She definitely would've picked that up primarily from her corpo parents and then from her classmates at Arasaka Academy and finally from her coworkers at Arasaka. As I mentioned for question 1, her mannerisms are generally carefully controlled, and they mostly show up when she is just having such a strong emotion that she can't possibly hold them back. And I mentioned that she picked up the habit of controlling them in this way because of her specialization in Counter Intel. I actually don't think she'd be too affected by the people she hangs out with in that sense. Like even though Jackie has a different style of speaking from her, I don't think she'd copy it from him too much. So that means the main person who could change her mannerisms and speaking style would be Johnny and that's only because he is literally seeping into her brain.
The way I've described Johnny and V's merging before is that he calms down because of her influence but rather than her coolness and control, it brings out his empathy and kindness, whereas she gets more passionate because of his influence but rather than his rebellion and sense of justice, that brings out her anger and judgement. So they each kinda take something from each other and twist it into their own variant, but it overall makes him better and her worse. So I could definitely imagine that affecting her mannerisms and speaking style. Mostly just in the sense of making it harder for her to hide what she's really thinking. But I haven't had the time to write too much of that yet, so I couldn't go into super deep detail at this time.
But one thing I can tell you is that post-Mikoshi android V is like original V's renaissance era. As a robot, she has more control over herself than she ever did as a human even before Johnny happened to her. But that heightened sense of bloodlust that she gained when she was merging with Johnny... it doesn't really decrease. She just has the ability to conceal her true thoughts again.
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ircn-dad · 1 year
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I saw on the original post of these gifts the reblogs and...wow. Not the people saying "Tony reacts like that because that's what Steve tried to tell him before!! #antitonystark"
What actually Steve said: This job... We try to save as many people as we can. Sometimes that doesn't mean everybody, but, if we can't find a way to live with that, Next time... maybe nobody can be saved.
Peter is basically saying he can't live with the knowledge of not helping everyone, Steve is saying that they have to learn to live with it because it's better saving someone than not saving everyone.
While I think Steve is not an asshole and doesn't like when someone dies, I also think that Peter and Steve are not guided by the same morality. Steve accept the fact a lot of people die with his job, Peter and Tony don't. They can't accept the fact they cannot save everyone, they feel responsible for every damage they cause. That's why Tony had that look, because he related to Peter's words. That's literally the point of why he wanted the accords.
Tony blames him self and not just for Ultron. He blamed himself since IM1. When he said "I just finally know what I have to do, and i know in my heart that's it's right" and right before that he mentioned the soldiers who were killed by his weapons, even if it wasn't directly his fault. You can se the parallels between the two of them, they both blames themselves for everything.
Were the accords bad? Yes. Were they needed? Also, Yes. The idea of the accords was good because if I was one of the civilians like Zemo I would want them, and you cannot say otherwise if you were in their place.
So yes, I still think Peter would have been on Team Iron Man anyway because Peter would never turn his back on the civilians (He sacrifices his identity for them, he sacrificed his whole life for them). Even if he didn't like the accords, he would have accepted them and willed to change them. Peter and Tony have the same guilt, the same morale. Tony choose Peter because he saw himself in him, and Peter found comfort in Tony because he was the only one who understood him (Like confirmed in IW novelization).
Tony was the best person to mentor him.
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