#anti pro choice

[ironwoodatl01]

The Incubator Argument

It is an interesting argument put forth by Pro-Choicers mainly because I had talks with 3 pro-choicers recently who raised this argument for abortion.

Namely: if women do not have access to abortions, they would become incubators for babies by a corrupt government ala the Handmaid's Tale. Women must have the choice to abort, otherwise, their freedoms would be taken away and they would be forced to have babies against their will.

An odd way to put things for several reasons:

Firstly, back when Patriarchy reigned and Women had no rights, Women were not SOLELY incubators. Women's role in history was more complex and inscrutable. Biblically speaking, women's main role in society was to be the men's helpmeet. A role that would be superfluous without God's direction in Genesis 2:18.

Barrenness throughout the bible was a more common occurrence, and the more famous women in the bible were noted to be unable to conceive for years until God intervenes. Abraham and Sarah are one main example amongst many.

Biblically, pregnancy was a blessing rather than a duty, and children were the natural result of couples' coupling, rather than any specific breeding program meant to increase fertility. Psalm 127:3, Lo, children are an heritage of the Lord: and the fruit of the womb is his reward.

If women were not turned into baby farms during the Old Testament, it is highly unlikely that a 'woke', 'progressive' society would consider such a thing.

This leads to the next point; if the government decides to put women in breeding farms against their will, how would abortion stop the government? Abortion hurts the woman instead of the government and leaves the resistance devoid of a future generation of young minds who would carry on the fight for freedom when the older generation passes.

Abortion is ultimately an impractical solution for an unlikely scenario. A double portion of fantasy stemming from an emotional mind. It is an indication that pro-choice is really the illusion of choice. Fostered by a thriving propaganda industry.

#kjvbible #kjv #pro life #anti abortion #anti pro choice #anti propaganda

[radicalgraff]

"Pro life my fucking ass. Let's talk about all the native kids you've killed!!"

Seen on a Catholic Church in Madison, Wisconsin

#madison graffiti #graffiti #graff #vandalism #street art #pro choice #anti colobial #anti theism

[jameslmartellojr]

#catholic #catholicism #christianity #spiritual warfare #jesus christ #blessed virgin mary #our lady #exorcist #demon #pro abortion #abortion debate #abortion #anti abortion #pro choice #prolife #pro life #right to life #human life #life #baby #follow the science #pregnant #pregnancy #womb to tomb #save babies #catholic vote #roman catholic church #catholic church #church #post christian

[lilithism1848]

#anti capitalism #leftism #communism #socialism #anarchy #abortion rights #reproductive freedom #bodily autonomy #abortion #reproductive rights #birth control #pro abortion #pro choice #abortion is healthcare #pro life #anti abortion #radical feminism #radical feminists do interact #radical feminist safe #gender roles #anti religion #fuck the patriarchy #sex based oppression #radical feminists do touch

[radifemsara]

Every young man who wants to buy a gun should be treated like every young woman who seeks an abortion:

A mandatory 48-hour waiting period, written permission from a parent or judge, a note from a doctor proving that he understands what he is about to do, time spent watching a video on individual and mass murders, traveling hundreds of miles at his own expense to the nearest gun shop, and walking through protestors holding photos of loved ones killed by guns protestors who call him a murderer.

It makes more sense to do this for those seeking guns than for women seeking health care.

No young woman needing reproductive freedom has ever murdered a roomful of people in seconds.

— unknown author

(Gloria Steinem: "This riff is not mine...l thank whoever gave us all this present")

#radical feminism #female separatism #radblr #radical feminist community #radical feminists do interact #radical feminist safe #terfsafe #anti gun #pro choice #pro abortion

[pinktwingirl]

One of the most common reasons I hear for people being against abortion is because “life is sacred.”

Really? Since when? When has life ever been sacred in this country?

If life is sacred, how come we don’t have universal healthcare?

If life is sacred, how come we don’t pass comprehensive gun laws so first graders don’t get gunned down in their classrooms?

If life is sacred, why don’t we offer paid maternal leave so mothers can actually take care of the babies that you are now forcing them to have?

If life is sacred, how come we don’t bat an eye when the police murder black kids?

If life is sacred, why do we have the highest maternal death rate in the developed world, which is only going to increase now that women are being forced to give birth?

If life is sacred, why is the death penalty even still a thing?

If life is sacred, why are we still encouraging violence against the LGBTQ+ community?

Life has literally never been sacred in this country. Maybe anti-choicers like to pretend that it is because it makes them feel righteous when in reality, they’re just misogynistic pieces of shit, but it’s not. And as long as psychotic, reactionary morons continue to steal power undemocratically and make decisions that the majority of us do not want, it never will be.

#roe v wade #roe v wade saves lives #abortion is healthcare #abortion rights #pro choice #womens rights #fuck the supreme court #fuck scotus #fuck anti choicers #pro abortion #blm #black lives matter #lgbtq #us politics

[queerism1969]

#pro choice #responsibility #purpose #failure #choices #focus #culture #class war #class warfare #anti capitalism #eat the rich #fuck landlords #class struggle #anti capitalist love notes #anti capitalists be like #fuck capitalism #late stage capitalism #capitalism #socialism

[secularprolifeconspectus]

Unpopular opinion: people with anencephaly ought to be born & loved for as long as possible. They deserve palliative care, not murder in the womb. Abortion is not euthanasia.

This little girl is not in agony. She coos and smiles at her mother's touch. She is loved. She wouldn't have known any of that love had she been violently stabbed with a lethal injection and born dead. According to her mom on YouTube she lived for 3 weeks and her family cherished her.

When I say later abortion is not euthanasia, I mean: the children are killed without general anesthesia. We wouldn't even kill a horse or someone on death row this way. Later abortion, even for medical reasons, is horrific violence. The babies are stabbed with an overdose of digoxin or lidocaine. They may be exsanguinated or dismembered alive.

If you want your disabled child to live with dignity and die humanely, with the least suffering possible, then do not abort them. Love them. You will suffer less in the long run knowing you protected them, that you did not pay for their brutal murder.

And for the record, you still have to go through labor when you get a later abortion for fetal anomaly. Unless, of course, you get your child ripped out piece by piece in mangled shreds. The chances of uterine perforation and sepsis from this are extreme.

Disabled children are not "choices". Perinatal hospice is ethical. Murder is not.

Learn more about anencephaly.

For anyone feeling pressured to terminate for medical reasons, I highly recommend

carryingtoterm.org

perinatalhospice.org

nowilaymedowntosleep.org

#pro abortion #anti abortion #pro life #pro choice #abortion #ableism #prenatal justice #reproductive justice #anencephaly #reproductive rights #fuck ableists #disability rights #tfmr #hide #victim imagery

[dyingroses]

#important #judiasm #jewish culture #reproductive rights #abortion rights #abortion #pro chocie #anti choice #" #pro life #tiktoks #tiktok

[ironwoodatl01]

Since the discussion of abortion previously got heated a bit, it's probably fair to refresh the conversation eh?

I believe topics such as late term abortion/rape and incest should be saved for later within the conversation. Because they are heavier subjects, and are emotionally triggering.

So I ask you, why do you think a Afab person shouldn't have full autonomy of their/her/his body, especially during an unwanted pregnancy? Why does one hypothetical life matter? Is it because the surgery interferes with the process of child birth? Is it just alien to you?

Biblically speaking, the baby is alive the moment it is conceived. As a Christian, I abide by the Bible, so for me, the baby is alive the moment it is conceived.

The baby's conception is entirely out of its hands. It did not ask to be brought to this life, but it is a life that is nevertheless brought.

It is an injustice to blame the baby for something that it was not responsible for, and taking the baby's life is murder, Biblically speaking.

What about you? Why do you believe that full autonomy extends to abortion?

#pro life #pro choice #bodily autonomy #anti pro choice #anti abortion #abortion rights

[cimerran-714]

So there's this person called @alaticba

He's pro-choice & made a claim that the SCOTUS recently ruled that performing abortions when the woman's life is in danger, is illegal. I asked him for a source.

First, he linked to the White House and Youtube videos (!), which is of course ridiculous since the government is pro-choice and you cannot expect any integrity from them. Youtube videos are also not a reliable source.

I asked for a direct link to the court decision & the judgements the judges had made. This is where it gets interesting. For some reason, he began to argue that saying "The court ruled that life-threat abortions should be illegal" is not a claim that he had made, and also proceeded to call me names. "Motherfucker", "Dense," and "Stupid" are some of them.

And now he's spamming my inbox & chat to say that he won't let me get away easily.

What's hilarious is that he STILL has not backed up his claim with proper evidence.

#pro life #abortion #conservatism #anti abortion #child free #pro choice #my body my choice #pro abortion #anti religion

[the-valkyries-gwyn-nesta-emerie]

☆Friendly Reminder☆

Elain made her choice in the bonus chapter of Azriel’s when she returned his gift to her after he called their almost kiss a mistake. That can only be interpreted as a clear form of rejection, for both of them.

You don't say to someone almost kissing them is a mistake, unless it is one. You don't return gifts unless you are rejecting it and/or the person. That is Sarah way of closing the door on anything happening between E/riel for good.

On the flip side, Elain still has Lucien's gifts to her from BOTH Solstices. Lucien still looks at Elain with longing on Solstice....That is Sarah's way of leaving the door open for them.

Elain has made her choice and it is clear for all to see. Deal with it.

#elucien #anti e/riel #elain made her choice #respect her choices #pro elucien #elain and lucien #lucien and elain #lucien x elain #elain x lucien #elain archeron #lucien vanserra

[lovelessrage]

Pro-kink advocacy goes hand in hand with aspec advocacy and if you don't understand this you need to start.

#note: yes this includes advocacy for the sex repulsed and averse! the point is that both communities are villified for living outside norms #both communities are actively hated for not conforming to what society deems the natural way of things #the freedom to be proudly kinky comes with the freedom to proudly not participate #it's about a collective shared goal for relationship freedom and personal choice #if you're pro aspec but anti kink you're not getting it. same if you're pro kink but anti aspec. #we have so much in common. i've never felt more accepted than when i've been around kink positive people #we're valuable allies for each other #we're all freaks to normative society. linking up pulls all of us forward #aromantic #asexual #aplatonic #atertiary #aro #ace #apl #arospec #acespec #aplspec #aspec #scowl corner #you don't have to live the lifestyle of someone else to want to see each other succeed.

[alternative-politics]

#abortion #roe v. wade #supreme court #pro choice #pro life #anti abortion

[bogleech]

If I’d ever been aborted the effect on me would be exactly indistinguishable from if I’d never been conceived, which could have happened any infinite number of ways. It doesn’t matter because I wasn’t that fetus. I’ve never been a fetus. The meat and guts I’m using came from a fetus but I wasn’t there for that time period. The development of my physical vessel is not an event I was present for and anything that might have happened to it is as relevant to me as whether my parents just went to sleep instead of starting that up. If you care about aborted embryos you’re a goddamned idiot and should grow the fuck up.

#abortion #prolife #pro choice #if you're anti choice in my notes ill time travel to kick your ass while its still on a fetus and you wont even know it you moron who cares

[prolife-is-prolie]

I celebrated Roe V Wade being overturned. I am now being investigated for having a miscarriage.

"The happiest moment in my life was when I said "I do" to my husband seven years ago. My second happiest moment was at the Supreme Court building on June 24, 2022. Seeing an endless sea of happy, cheerful faces, the champagne bottles being popped open, watching as bubbles floated on by, the feeling was electric! Babies were going to be saved!

And then a year later, on June 24, 2023, the third happiest moment in my life occurred. The two faint lines revealed themselves on the pregnancy test. I was pregnant! Finally! After years of hoping, praying, and multiple IVF treatments, I was finally pregnant! Life was perfect. My husband took me out to dinner and he never left my side the whole night. He came home from work one day with a giant book of baby names. It didn't take us long to decide: Ophelia if it was a girl, and Benson if it was a boy.

I thanked the Lord for gifting me with a happy marriage and a baby that I prayed so much for. But the Lord had other plans. August 23, 2023, my world came crashing down. I woke from a deep sleep and was overcome with painful cramps. I looked under the blanket and was horrified by what I saw: A huge puddle of red. I ran to the bathroom and sat on the toilet and I cried. I was having a miscarriage.

My husband woke up and noticed the puddle of blood. I've never seen him look so scared in my life. He hugged me while I sat and bled on the toilet. We then stripped down and got in the shower, where he held me, not caring about the blood running down my legs. I scheduled an emergency doctor's appointment for later in the day. The doctor confirmed our worst fear, I had a complete miscarriage. There wasn't anything more that could be done.

I sat on the table in that cold room while I waited for the doctor to come back with my paperwork. I was completely numb. I had no more tears left to cry. My husband stood by me and held my hand while we waited. And then we heard the knock on the door. We were expecting the doctor to enter. Instead, we were met with a couple of police officers.

My husband and I were escorted to the police station. It was there that we were informed that my miscarriage was deemed suspicious. The officers told us that due to the fact that we lived in a pro-life state, this was the new protocol. My husband and I were each taken to separate interview rooms, where we were questioned for six hours. I was asked a variety of questions:

What did I do the night before miscarrying?

Did I have a fall that could have caused the miscarriage?

Did I intentionally cause trauma to my abdomen to induce a miscarriage?

Did I take abortion pills?

Could my husband have slipped abortion pills into my drink?

At first, I tried to be understanding, but that quickly turned to anger. They were accusing my husband and me of purposefully killing our baby. I told the interviewer over and over that we wanted our baby and that we would do nothing to cause harm to our baby. After six hours, the questions let up. The interviewer left the room and I instantly broke down in tears again.

I cried for the baby I lost. I cried because my husband and I were being accused of killing our baby. I cried because I felt like nobody was listening to me. And I cried because this is what pro-choicers said would happen when Roe was overturned. Everything that they said would happen was happening.

Miscarriages were being investigated as murders. Children were being forced to give birth to their rapists' babies. Babies were being born and discarded in trash cans and dumpsters. And we have not done a damn thing about any of this. My husband and I were released, but not before being told that we weren't allowed to leave town due to the fact that we were being investigated.

I read articles about the women in Texas suing the state because of the anti-abortion laws. I read about the 13-year-old girl who gave birth to a baby she did not want. I read about the 11-year-old who had to flee her home state to get an abortion, only for the doctor who performed the abortion to get fined. I felt sick to my stomach reading these stories. And once again, my sorrow was replaced with anger.

I thought back to what I thought was one of the happiest moments of my life, Roe V Wade being overturned. In my mind, the happy smiles that I saw were suddenly replaced with evil snarls. The champagne that was popped was replaced with acid. The bubbles became heavy glass and they fell to the ground. My god, what have we done?

I forwarded the articles to my husband and I saw all color leave his face. The night after our interrogations, we ate dinner in silence. After knowing this man for 17 years and being married to him for seven of those years, he didn't need to talk for me to know what he was thinking. And I agreed with him:

Overturning Roe V Wade was a huge mistake."

-Constance, 37.

#pro life #pro chocie #roe v wade #roe vs. wade #abortion #anti abortion #my body my choice #fyp #fypシ