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thekatebridgerton · 2 years

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Do you have any thoughts on why some of the fleeting love interests (like sienna and Theo) are from working classes and considered unmarriageable by the ton for people like the bridgertons?

I have a lot of thoughts about this yeah. But if you are a Theloise shipper skip this post. As well as all santhony shippers. This explanation is not for you. I'm in mobile today and don't have the read more button

So back to my answer, the problem, it's not that some love interest are considered unmarriageable because they're from the working class. The problem is that the Bridgertons ultimately aren't willing to make the sacrifices required to wholeheartedly marry someone of the working class.

Let me start with pointing out that Sienna's relationship with Anthony was primarily transactional as in. Her source of income was tied to Anthony's satisfaction in the relationship which ultimately meant that for all of Anthony's good intentions. The relationship was meant to fail. Because of that reason alone.

Interesting that you brought Theo into this because until you mentioned it, I hadn't noticed the parallel between Anthony escaping the ton and his family responsibilities to be with Sienna in the middle of something as important as his sisters debut. And Eloise doing the same with Theo during Anthony's wedding

Both relationships were doomed to fail not because one was nobility and the other working class. But rather because Anthony and Eloise saw Sienna and Theo as 'an escape from the annoyances of real life' and not as actual equals.

For example take Benedict's affair with Genevieve. In s2 Gen is rightfully worried of how being seen with Benedict may affect her business and they part on decent terms. Benedict never treated Gen as a commodity but rather recognized that they both had different paths in life. Or at least that Genevieve knew already what she wanted to do with hers and he wasn't the same. And this had only 10% to do with their class difference and 90% to do with them as people not being right for each other

The problem with Sienna and Theo is the fact that Anthony and Eloise saw them both as a convenient way to escape their responsibility with the ton. Was there love? Maybe, but it was too tied up with the power imbalance of Anthony and Eloise being able to leave the relationship without suffering much loss or difficulty, because they as nobility can do that. While Sienna and Theo livelihood and sources of income would be put in jeopardy if a scandal broke out. And when Eloise and Anthony fail to recognize that as opposed to the way Benedict did, then you get why the relationships didn't work out

Again, ask Anthony anything about Sienna, what she likes, does she have a family, what's her favorite thing to do?. Sienna exists in Anthony's life in proportion to how she can fill his needs and because of the power imbalance, Anthony never feels obligated to reciprocate.

Which is different from his relationship with Kate. Where Kate's needs become gradually more important to Anthony in the course of him falling inlove. And he recognized her as his intellectual and emotional equal since their first interaction

Eloise with Theo may not have the same power imbalance as Anthony had with Sienna but you can't deny that Eloise only cares about Theo in proportion to how her needs are being met. And pays very little attention to him as an individual outside of how he serves to make her feel better about what she thinks of herself.

Eloise may like Theo but at the end of the day, she neither treats him as an equal (honestly I'm not sure Eloise even knows how to treat anyone as an equal) or considers it necessary to fill his needs, the way a person would in a healthy relationship.

If she'd gotten to know Theo more, maybe heard about his life or met his friends or simply gotten involved in a part of his life that didn't directly satisfy her own personal interest then maybe they could have worked out but that was not the case

And about the class difference, I've said it in a previous post I'll say it again.

During ye olden days nobility and gentry, had to marry someone with either a title, money or enough social connections to make up for the lack of the other two. For a very obvious reason. Which is to sustain the lifestyle they're used to. A person who married someone from the working class or lower, gave the message that should the the couple ever fell into hard times, they had neither their spouse's dowry, family connections or estate, as a backup plan, which would leave them to rely on the charity of well meaning friends and family.

Hence, the ton shunning and not sending them invitations to balls or greeting them in the street. Since further association with the couple would bring no tangible benefit for the future, neither social, economical or even political.

I'm not saying this would make someone from the working class look unmarriageable, but it would be a factor in the couple's power imbalance that we don't talk about

And that's the tea

#bridgerton #Eloise Bridgerton #anti theloise #anti santhony

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nastasyafilippovnas · 8 months

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Someone actually reblogged one of my santhony’s sets and said they needed to see Anthony being this passionate with K8te lmfaooo if that doesn’t tell you which one is the superior ship, I don’t know what does.

#and that’s the tea #anti-kathony #this made my day #sometimes i wanna watch s2 just to be extra petty #but nah #seeing the comments on tumblr is enough actually #i miss the santhony squad tho

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norringtondeservestheworld · 3 years

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Santhony shippers: “the screenwriters should ignore the books and do their own story it’s a shame to waste Anthony and Siena’s chemistry” Kathony shippers: “LMAO Kate is the only woman Anthony ever loved, it’s canon. They are the most loved and popular ship of the series, they wouldn’t dare to change it and risk to make the fans angry.” Me, a Kathony shipper who is still traumatized by Dumb & Dumber who had the audacity to make a series based on a series of books and then did the fuck they wanted destroying the most loved ship in favour of the unpopular, incestuous and abusive one:

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colins-bridgerton · 3 years

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Siena Rosso and Santhony from bridgerton :)

Hi there! I don’t ship santhony (I am a kathony fan sorry) but I do like Siena so do you have a scene or a color palette you want or just a general gif set?

#truegodofthearena #anti santhony

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truegodofthearena · 3 years

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It’s interesting to see how Netflix chose to describe Kate as “smart, headstrong young woman who suffers no fools, Anthony bridgerton very much included.”

My first reaction to that was, well we have already seen one such woman in his life? Who took no shit from him and decided to live life on her own terms and dragged him when she could lol

He clearly has a type then, I guess lol

#bridgerton #anthony bridgerton #siena rosso #anthony x siena #santhony #this is not an anti Kate post but I find the description and parallel interesting #one of my most favorite santhony moments are when siena is dragging him lol #it’s what he deserves sometimes :D

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persiena · 3 years

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@sienarosso

Armchair psychology for ts, buuuut.... maybe another reason some shippers react so viciously to Siena and Santhony is that they both really mess with established Regency tropes in ways which in turn probably suuuuper mess with the original story and vibe of the books.

'Reforming The Rake' is a classic of the genre, where through the heroine, readers get to vicariously tame/heal the emotionally unavailable Bad Boy Aristocrat. To be clear, I'm not knocking that trope -- I've enjoyed lots of stories that use it. But, in the context of S1, Anthony's not a rake. Even by the Regency genre's hugely bowdlerized and sanitized portrayal of rakes. He is not even close. We see him have sex with precisely one woman. We see that he is in love with her and is as committed to their relationship as the shitty rules of their shitty world will allow him to be. Then, we get to watch as the fact that they can't be together slowly but surely grinds his soul into the dirt. Good times : D

And, Siena, well, not only does she not exist in the books, but she doesn't even have the decency to be someone you can easily ignore or dismiss or use to prop up your preferred pairing. In fact, the way she's written makes doing any one of those things actively contemptible. Because Siena never becomes the anticipated one dimensional bitchy, greedy, grasping, antagonistic mistress. In fact, every time it looks like she's going down that well-worn path, the writing takes a hard left in another direction. To the point where it almost feels like you're being teased with it. "Oh, you thought? hahahah NOPE!!"

There's no comforting reveal that Siena's actually a manipulative, black-hearted schemer so that we can feel okay (justified, even) that Anthony's endgame is with someone else. No narrative loophole that lets us go 'Never Mind All That!' about the draconian classism written into this world that's supposed to be an escapist fantasy. Instead, we see that Siena is an inherently good person who, through no fault of her own, is given no good choices. We watch her be hurt and wronged and betrayed in quietly brutal ways by both Anthony and the ton. We learn that S2 isn't likely to fix or even address any of this. I don't know how anybody with even the most rudimentary sense of justice can feel okay about that. I sure don't.

So, yeah. People may be reacting badly to Siena and Santhony because they puncture the fantasy bubble of the original book in multiple ways. For some people, that fantasy bubble is close to two decades old, so in a sense, I do get it. Still, it doesn't excuse them for getting passive aggressive in the tags when they reblog Santhony gif sets. Nor does it excuse sending antagonistic anons to Siena/Santhony fans. And, they might want to examine some of the classist, sexist, anti-sex worker rhetoric they use while dismissing Siena and Anthony’s relationship.

But, what do I know? I'm just a dumbass on the internet who loves a doomed ship and a character who deserved better. Tale as old as time.

#bridgerton #santhony #siena rosso #anthony bridgerton #fandumb #long post #oh man...#this started out as a simple ask box message #but it took on a life of its own #ah well

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nastasyafilippovnas · 3 years

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As someone who consumed a lot of similar modern love stories like Bridgerton, where all the guys are sex machines and the girls are more virginal than virgin mary herself, I think what bothered people the most is the way Siena was dignified as a character.

Usually in these stories, the hero's conquests are very caricatural and clingy and pathetic and their whole purpose is to make the heroine look good and be hated by the readers.

The anti Santhony posts I've read really confirm this because they all seem to insist on wanting Anthony to explicitly reject Siena one way or another or announce high and proud that she didn't actually matter to him that much.

YUP. I completely agree with all of this. And great minds think alike, anon, because @persiena also wrote a flawless meta here that addresses this issue.

They wanted Siena to either be someone who wasn't important to Anthony or whose character was flawed so they could hate her too. But neither of these things happened and we got a mistress who is an amazing, funny, talented woman. Her only fault (if that's even fault) is being a working member of the lower class.

I've seen some anti-santhony posts in that way and, truly, the misogyny and classicism in them grosses me out sometimes. Because you see that it really bothers them is not only that Anthony got a love interest, but that his love is a woman like Siena and they can't accept that.

#anonymous #answered asks

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