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andreal831 · 3 months

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Do you think what Damon did to Caroline is the same as what Katherine did to Stefan? Cause I think it is and it pisses me off when I see people think daroline is the worst ship to ever exist but then proceed to ship steferine.

I love Damon and like Katherine way more than Stefan and Caroline, I prefer villains and anti-heroes way more than heroes, but I don’t understand how anyone can like either of these two ships.

Trigger Warning: Discussion of r*pe/SA

I agree, there is no difference in what Katherine did to Stefan and what Damon did to Caroline and Andie.

I'm going to start by saying I do not like either Katherine or Damon. Yes, I know it is a show about supernatural creatures and we have to suspend reality, but no matter what world/fandom we're in, there is still a moral code. If there wasn't, we wouldn't have "good" guys and "bad" guys.

I can overlook and move on from a lot of bad things because with most "bad" acts there are mitigating circumstances. I truly believe anyone can be pushed to commit a lot of the terrible acts on the show, like murder, given the right circumstances. Usually it'll take a lot more than what's on the show, but that's where we suspend reality a bit. However, rape and sexual assault, no. There is never mitigating circumstances. No tragic backstory is going to make me overlook this.

I do believe in rehabilitation, but because the writers refused to admit what they did, we never get that with either character. No matter how you see it, both Damon and Katherine compelled people's choose away and proceed to have sex with them. That is the definition of rape. I will not argue with anyone on this point. It doesn't matter what the person intended the second before. The moment Damon/Katherine took their ability to consent away, it was rape.

Personally, Damon is my least favorite character and Katherine is close by it. Yes, I enjoy some of their scenes and they are "iconic" at times, but I could just never get past those scenes. I dislike Damon more because he received no consequences. He got a happy ending while Katherine didn't, so I'm more at peace with that story arc for Katherine.

I want to put a caveat so everyone is clear: I am never going to tell people who they can like or not like or who they should ship. Everyone comes to the fandom with different life experiences and like different ships for different reasons. Fiction allows us to like our toxic ships or like our healthy ships, whatever helps us cope with reality. But I do think it is important to acknowledge the potential harm so that we can recognize it in real life. This blog is just my personal takes on the situations/characters.

If you want to like daroline or steferine, go for it. But, again, it's important to acknowledge the toxicity in both. We all love a good anti-hero and some people enjoy enemies to lovers (not my cup of tea), but be prepared for others to not like it. We could all use a deep breath and take a step back in this fandom when it comes to ships. A lot of them are really toxic and some are less so, but still probably toxic. But at the end of the day, being toxic online to real-life people will always be worse than liking a toxic fictional character. (this is not directed to anon, just a general note for the fandom because I've seen so many people get into such nasty fights over fictional ships)

Thanks for the ask! Sorry I went off on a side tangent there <33

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kmze · 16 days

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Thoughts on 5x01 - 5x11 again SO MUCH FUN watching this half season. Does the plot make sense? Not really. Was it a compelling storyline? Not so much. Did I laugh a lot? YOU BETCHA! The thing with this season (at least this half) is you cannot take it seriously, it is the most this show has ever been "meta" because this was just episode after episode of laughing at the Triangle of Doom. I would say DE got it the worse but even SE got hits against it too. Stefan was mocked by having amnesia Stefan point out all his worst qualities. Damon was mocked relentlessly via his insecurity. Elena was mocked by being the flip flopper that she is. It was beautiful. Silas and Tessa were great as scorned lovers/enemies and I truly enjoyed the doppelgänger shenanigans. Amnesia Stefan you will always be famous! Of course there's bad stuff, like Bonnie's storyline and Jesse's treatment and sadly that's not surprising because Dries (racist) was in charge. I touch on all of this below!

5x01

LMFAO at Elena’s little shimmy

Damon is such a moron that is obviously not Stefan, when would Stefan ever say “Chateau Salvatore” thank god Jeremy could tell. Katherine too like when has Stefan EVER blatantly flirted with her like that, but Katherine was just thinking with her downstairs brain I understand.

Poor Caroline, but at least Jesse is smoking hot.

Random observation: last season the beginning of the season did not look like it was filmed in the summer like every other season and I've always kind of wondered why that is. I think I read somewhere that they continued filming the beginning of S4 when S3 ended and that's why you never get the summer attire in S4 like we do here again in S5.

5x02

Elena coughing up blood/water after kissing Stefan keeps happening and it’s so mean LMFAO

CRYING at the camera angle and lighting of “Stefan” seeing Elena and her getting all googly-eyed at him and then hanging up on Damon. Serves him right for not telling her! Silas causing problems with Delena almost instantly, amazing no notes.

Katherine shooting Silas YAS QUEEN

This scene LMFAO!!! The fact that they made thinking about Stefan be the thing that stops Elena from trying to kill Damon is just a hilariously mean thing to do to Damon!

Caroline’s face seeing Damon and Elena in what looks like some weird sex thing DEAD.

Paul does a good job of differentiating Silas from Ripper Stefan. They’re both evil of course but Silas has more calmness to him and more quips whereas Ripper Stefan is chaotic and mocking.

Lexi changed clothes on the other side so why can’t Bonnie!

5x03

Katherine and Silas are having way too much fun making Damon feel insecure about Stelena and I truly love it!

Stefan saying he didn’t want to turn his humanity off so he could be himself when he murdered Silas. Classic Stefan! Revenge is his biggest motivation in life I swear.

The doppelgänger curse (aka creating shadow selves every 100-ish years because of Silas and Amara) is good mythology, I thought it was a good reason to explain the existence of doppelgängers. But I also think it hurt some of the special-ness that Stelena had because it cheapens the fate part about it (and that’s before we find out it’s a literal spell pulling them together). Tessa saying she watched versions of S&E fall in love over and over the last 2000 years makes it feel like it’s predetermined destiny, which is a weakness against a ship IMO. It actually gives more power to Delena because having a love that conquers destiny is a great trope. I'm not even sure the writers meant to make this hurt SE at first because I don't think they like DE either. I know Dries was the showrunner this season and it's hard to understand what she likes when it comes to the triangle (her fav is Katherine that's all I understand about her). Everyone always thinks it's DE but LOL the person who wrote this season does NOT like DE I assure you. It would make sense she'd think this storyline is strong for SE on paper, but in tone it's not. It's like she cut her nose despite her face.

Delena being described by Tessa "like a soap opera, but boring and with no volume control" best description ever!

Silas saying his doppelgänger's face makes him wanna vomit THEY JUST KEEP GOING!

I like that they almost made you believe Damon was going to leave Stefan there lol, but even Damon isn't that selfish.

This season is just one big kinda mean commentary on the show and I love it LMFAO. I can see why it’s hated because it’s not really an intriguing plot as far as forward movement (I mean Silas' motivation is to die). But I'd be lying if I said the way it’s being used to mock and almost break the fourth wall isn't giving me so much joy. I guess I’d describe it as camp? Like Silas said messy but fun to watch.

5x04

Am!Stefan not remembering Elena’s name and the look on her face ADXSFXGGGKKHK (this episode makes me so incredibly petty)!

Again, Damon worst sober sponsor ever.

I’m sorry but Elena is cracking me up the way she is GLOWING at making Am!Stefan remember when he bumped into her. The way she spreads her fingers over his chest DEAD! Her excitement at molding her Stefan back together with only the pieces she wants... I have never seen her more alive!

"Whenever someone tells me I can’t do something I prove them wrong" her life’s motto!!!

Am!Stefan being like “I need time to process that I let my girlfriend drown” I KNOW RIGHT? It’s so crazy isn’t it you’re just like flabbergasted.

Sometimes this show just hits my narrative and this episode is it baby! Am!Stefan knowing Caroline’s full name (unlike Elena), that she’s his best friend and BLATANTLY flirting with her saying she’s much hotter in person (the way he totally checks her out a few times too) THAT'S THE STUFF. Then you’ve got Caroline being the only one who actually stops the ripper because she reminds Stefan who HE is, not who she is (because just to point out again she didn't have to because he studied her pictures and knew her instantly!!!) Damon and Elena on the other hand keep telling him who they are (which is a bunch of liars) and that’s why Stefan trusts her and not them. Their scene in the crypt is so nice too, it's one of the first times they get a scene like this with the hand holding, the comforting emphasis, and a beautiful shot on the bench. Plus Am!Stefan staring at Caroline's lips *swoon* you can really tell he has a crush on Caroline.

This Bonnie memorial is so infuriating I can't believe this Bonnie is dead for 8(!!!) episodes was a plot.

5x05

This shows racism towards black characters is really disgusting the more you become aware of it. I swear everytime a character is cast that’s going to get tortured or brutally murdered they are always black. Luka, Jonah, Aja, Connor and now Jesse. There’s no way it was a coincidence.

Nina’s physical comedy as human Katherine is just perfect!

The costumes Caroline picked ARE KILLING ME! First having her and Tyler as Bonnie and Clyde because they almost ran away together (and perhaps a part of her knows they’re doomed like B&C). Having Damon and Elena as Henry VIII and Anne Boleyn because she hates Damon and thinks he’s so bad for Elena he’ll get her head chopped off LMFAO. And then Stefan as JAMES FRIGGIN' DEAN can’t make this up, I know I keep saying this but amazing, no notes.

CTFU at Am!Stefan TOTALLY IGNORING Tyler when he asks Caroline to dance with him, like even with amnesia he knows he doesn’t fuck with Tyler. Am!Stefan’s face when he twirls her HE IS SO SMITTEN (and so is she if we’re being honest), James Dean daydream look indeed.

EL OH EL Silas trying to get Tessa to admit that she’s still in love with him. Honestly Silas your doppelgänger is way better at this, Stefan would have gotten that confession no sweat.

Poor Forwood but honestly I do think this makes sense and neither of them is really wrong, they are both acting like themselves. It makes sense Tyler can't just let Klaus walk away after what he did, and he especially can't deal with Klaus giving him permission to be with Caroline. Caroline on the other hand wants to move forward with her life and as far as she's concerned Klaus is out of sight out of mind. Caroline's also not a big revenge person, I don't think she's ever cared enough to enact revenge on someone (with humanity of course).

Amnesia or not Stefan will always be smarter than Damon.

5x06

For my own sanity I’m not even gonna pay attention to scenes talking about the cure and how it works because I’m STILL not over that bullshit in S8.

Silas again being the audience surrogate and pointing out how SUPER WEIRD it is that Defan keep falling in love with THE SAME FACE!

KATHOLINE TEAM-UP!! You know Caroline enjoyed slamming her against the wall after Katherine used her as her lackey in S2.

Crazy bitch kinda is Stefan’s type ASASCDHGHKKHH

God I love the Katholine team-up.

KATHERINE’S CHURCH HAIR!! I’m not even kidding I have tears in my eyes. This is the BEST! Omg Aaron is so much more smitten with Katherine than Elena, but like she’s absolutely adorable how could you not be!

Am!Stefan being like "I didn't think you deserved to be killed" translating to "I will always protect you Elena, memories or not" is an impressive delulu journey Elena has decided to take. She was acting like he was dead because he wanted to talk to Caroline and not her! Elena he has amnesia, he doesn't have the script anymore for the persona he's supposed to be performing.

Tessa was trying to do God’s work too getting Stefan to let go of Damon but he never learns!

5x07

Elena get out of your ex-boyfriend's bedroom JFC she’s so desperate.

Tessa kinda the best vindictive bitch ever! Janina Gavankar is also a beautiful and stunning woman who is just a pleasure to look at. But why was she so cold to Bonnie? Dries again I'm sure...

THANK GOD BONNIE IS ALIVE AGAIN!

Elena's thought process about this speech she gives Stefan is something else... I just don't know what kind of delusional narcissist you have to be to think this was a good way to ask if someone is okay. Stefan absolutely looks done with her too lol. This is the season where Stefan's facade from the earlier season really starts to come down. He doesn't want to be the person in his journals anymore.

5x08

FINALLY THAT HIDEOUS WIG IS GONE!

Oh look! Stefan not telling anyone he needs help, something new and different for him! /sarcasm

Matty Blue-Blue might be my favorite nickname ever used on this show and there’s a lot so that’s saying something!

I love how much Caroline embraced being a teacher for baby vamps! Makes her endgame even better!

Caroline is right why couldn’t Elena just snap his neck or just not stab him in the heart stab his back shoulder.

One thing about Stefan he has never seen a crazy bitch in danger that he didn’t want to save. I do really enjoy Steferine with human Katherine because it gave all the power to Stefan since she can’t physically hurt him anymore. It’s kind of like the scene in the series finale where Caroline comforts human Damon because he can’t hurt her anymore and she doesn't need to be afraid.

They really had to interrupt Bonnie’s first SEX SCENE EVER IN 5 FUCKING YEARS so she could scream in agony because the show killed another black character. Dries you will never see heaven!

Gee I don’t know Elena when is someone supposed to get over the fact that they were abused and raped by your fucking boyfriend. And you laughed about it with him! Never? I’m gonna go with never. And yes I realize it’s a bit hypocritical to enjoy Steferine and hate Daroline when they both have the same consent and rape issues. I fully admit Katherine is a rapist too. Stefan might be over it, Caroline is not and that's what matters to me.

5x09

I like that Katherine knew to ask Caroline for help knowing the other morons would be no good.

I know the answer is “plot reasons” but how did Damon not immediately recognize Whitmore when Elena started going to college there or even last year when he visited it?

Enzo… yeah *falls asleep*

Not to defend Stefan because I still think he’s an idiot for not seeing that Caroline had feelings for him. But he hears this whole conversation Caroline and Katherine are having where Katherine asks if they’ve slept together and Caroline is appalled like no absolutely not we are friends and I’m just saying! It makes sense why he never thought she did with scenes like this. Mostly because Stefan compartmentalizes people but that’s a topic for later this season. Katherine though bless her heart is not blind and can obviously tell these two feel a tingle for each other.

Not sure how intentional this was but I like the parallel back to the scene in 5x07 where Stefan said when the safe opened he wanted Damon and Elena to be the ones he saw. And now that he went back into the safe to get over his PTSD from that (and their betrayal) the person he sees when the safe opens up is Caroline.

5x10

Katherine’s exhilaration at sleeping with Stefan CTFU I can’t help it, she’s too much!

I love how little Elena is wearing essential what S1/2 Elena used to wear.

Feels like they just implied Grayson was testing if vampire blood could cure cancer. Would have been good to check on that next season folks!

Stefan starting off on the wrong foot with Enzo already LMFAO

Anytime they try and make Matt more relevant to a plot I instantly zone out from that plot. Case in point, I have no idea what is going on with the passengers and travelers and all I really know about Nadia is she’s Katherine’s daughter.

OMG Elena torched her Dad’s experiments! Important information what are you doing!?! I guess that’s why they don’t check next season.

5x11

Caroline throwing a breakup breakfast because Delena broke up is why she is my favorite character ever!

Stefan is so sanctimonious lol.

I like how they reminded me how awful Klaus is with the Katherine flashback before he has sex with Caroline. This show.

OMG Damon is insufferable! First his list of evil things Katherine did are all things HE did and now he's just torturing her because he's mad he broke up with Elena??? Can we just put him in the '94 prison world now I need him gone.

Stefan really switched from heartbroken to team Delena in like 3 episodes lol. I get it was the PTSD and we gotta speed stuff up but it did not take long. Another moment of "what are people talking about on Reddit" because they are always like "it took Stefan so long to move on from Elena" IT TOOK 3 EPISODES!

It's kind of amazing how many parallels and mirroring storylines Stefan and Caroline get with each other (these gifsets illustrate it well (x) (x)) but I really like how Steferine and Klaroline are used similarly for Stefan and Caroline in their journeys (these gifsets are great (x) (x)) and this season shows that a lot. Klaus and Katherine were both looking for love confessions from Caroline and Stefan respectively and while they sleep with their admirer/abuser they don't give them a love confession in return (because they don't love them). There's even the Klefan and Katholine connection as they are both used as their lackeys (Stefan in S3 and Caroline in S2) but then they also have a kind of understanding with each other. They both show pity for Katherine in this episode and they both felt remorse for betraying Klaus in 4x09. If this had actually been Katherine's death it was similar the Klaroline's ending on TO, with Caroline giving Klaus the date in NOLA and kissing him goodbye. Stefan sleeps with Katherine after she helped him through his PTSD, then he gives her peace with the memory before she dies (he thinks). Too bad the show had to RUIN that!

Look Stefan has his flaws (manipulative, enables Damon, can be a dick, serial killer) but one thing I love about him is he has a willingness to forgive the unforgivable. He didn't have to give Katherine peace after everything she had done but he did. I think it does come from a place of he believes everyone can be saved because he wants to believe he can be saved, but I also think he has a lot of empathy (at least for women).

The Katherine twist was great I will give them that, she's a survivor!

Lines that made me laugh:

Am!Stefan: I think I still need to be drunk to understand this story (REAL I chose edibles instead but YMMV)

Katherine: So are you part of the secret society? You know the "Society" (SHE KILLS ME)

Tyler: You're the hottest serial killer here (LMFAO the levels to this line are what makes me laugh the most)

#tvd rewatch #tvd spoilers #anti-stelena for ts #anti-delena for ts #anti-steferine for ts #anti-klaroline for ts #kinda sort of #it was mostly just commentary on them #but none of its really positive #so again don’t want to get murdered #k rewatches tvd

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userlaylivia · 1 year

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Hi!! I already know you prefer Delena to Stelena, but I would love to know whether you prefer Steroline or Klaroline - and why :) And am I right in thinking that you also like Steferine? I'd love to hear more about that too!

ohhhh my god I 1000000% prefer steroline over klaroline, I prefer every ship over klaroline their my #1 notp ever lol and I'll try to condense why to a few things, so this isn't too long. first, steroline had actual development and buildup and their friendship was so beautiful! other than the stuff in s6 with no humanity they were pretty healthy tbh! secondly, klaus seemed more obsessed with caroline not in love with her! their entire relationship was manipulation and it was very toxic and abusive as he's tried to kill her and her friends numerous times! third, I'm a klayley shipper and klamille they at least had development! klaroline we're fanservice plain and simple! sorry if you ship them btw these are just my opinions lol

and yes I shipped steferine! I just loved how stefan was totally different with her and their relationship was just so interesting and yes toxic and unhealthy but I think that was partly why it was so interesting and their nothing like stelena (or klaroline even though both are abusive but kc moreso imo!)

thanks for the ask lovely!! I hope I didn't offend you if you ship klaroline it's jmo though?

#answered #dr-alexandra-caroline-sloan #steroline #steferine #anti klaroline #tvd #the vampire diaries

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zalrb · 6 months

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Going through your Steferine tags and your Stelena Season 5 posts, and I had a realisation about the Stefan and Katherine one night stand in Season 5.

Stefan doesn't fall in love with Elena just because she looks like Katherine in Season 1, but Stefan did only sleep with Katherine in Season 5 because she looks like Elena and he wanted Elena to be the one that saved him from that vault/tomb.

And it's so obvious in that 5x10 conversation they had, he doesn't care about Katherine at all, and Katherine realises exactly why he slept with her. He was sympathetic in 5x11 out of duty, but it was nothing more. He doesn't give a shit about Katherine, he still isn't over Elena in those episodes, and it's so obvious.

And damn, if Katherine was a nicer character, I would've actually felt sorry for her. But damn, Stefan. It really proves he never fell in love with Elena because she looked like Katherine, nor did he want her to be Katherine. He fell in love with Elena on his own terms. It truly was only the resemblance that drew him in. He did want Katherine in 5x09 to be Elena though, because she was enacting the scenarios he would envision between him and Elena in his head when he was trapped. And I'm not judge him too hard for it, because he was traumatised and it did work, but still... DAMN STEFAN!

wow, i really disagree with this and i'm surprised anything i've said in my breakdowns of steferine or stelena or 5x10 would bring you to this conclusion tbqh

especially the way stefan's compassion is spoken about in this ask because it's framed the way antis frame his compassion and his empathy, as if it's some sort of show, which i just don't think is stefan, why would he feel compassion for his abuser out of "duty" ? that doesn't make sense especially considering that 5x10 is all about how stefan actually doesn't feel beholden to her or feel like he has a duty to love her or be with her but that doesn't stop him from feeling compassion and empathy for her.

what happens when he's trapped in the locker with katherine is him working through the fact that his PTSD is linked to his heartbreak over elena and that he would rather focus on the physical pain of drowning than the emotional damage of delena, which is a revelation that katherine helps him realize. he sleeps with her because he wants to, the most i would say is that he's trying to break free of the heartache and he allows himself to get swept up in the moment even if sleeping with katherine would constitute a bad idea but i would never think that he wanted katherine to be elena and so slept with her, i just don't think that's stefan.

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malka-lisitsa · 8 months

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"Dad's petitioning you take your wholesome declaration of love for Stefan down."

"I won't let this pass. But while we're on the subject, can I also put up a sign?"

"Only if its a sign i've preapproved and fits my personal view of the world and my morality within it." She will not be taking down her 'anti stelena all the cool kids ship Steferine' sign.

#Answered #baby-royalty

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7holyharpy · 3 years

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that season 6 episode where Damon and Stefan realize that not all love has to be toxic or obsessive like they had with Katherine and Elena, followed by parallel scenes where Damon reunited with Bonnie, who came back and made his stupid vampcakes, and Stefan goes to find Caroline at her house after her moms funeral..... a moment of Belvafore supremacy truly

#belvafore #bamon #steroline #bamon shippers club #anti delena #anti stelena #anti steferine #tvd

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philtatosbuck · 4 years

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I’m just gonna say it.

Hating Damon Salvatore for what he did to Caroline Forbes -- Valid. Go wild. But then turning around and stanning Katherine or Steferine when she did the same thing ain’t fucking it.

Damon did what? He seduced Caroline first, then compelled her after revealing his vampirism to her because she was scared and wanted to stop. It wasn’t on screen but we’re lead to believe he then fed on her and had sex with her. While he never compelled her to be attracted to him, he compelled her to keep his secret and not be afraid of him.

Katherine did WHAT? She seduced Stefan first, then compelled him after revealing her vampirism to him because he was scared and wanted to STOP, then fed on him and had sex with him (which we saw). While she never compelled him to be attracted to her, she compelled him to keep her secret and not be afraid of her.

Damon willingly embraced Katherine’s vampirism, Stefan DIDN’T. She compelled him. Katherine did the same thing to Stefan, as Damon did to Caroline. Katherine being a woman doesn’t change that what they did was the same thing.

“Soon afterwards, while Stefan and Katherine were having sex, she reveals to him that she is a vampire. He is not accepting of this and appears to be very frightened of her. Katherine, not wanting to lose his love, takes his fear away through compulsion. She also compels him not to tell anyone.“

What her reasoning was doesn’t fucking matter. They did the same damn thing. Stefan was even the same age as Caroline was at the time. It’s a direct parallel. Taking away their fear took away their choice. Period.

There are aspects of Katherine I LOVE and I’m not gonna deny Nina and Paul have chemistry - but I will NEVER fully stan Katherine OR ship her with someone who, essentially, she assaulted.

#katherine pierce #damon salvatore #anti steferine #anti statherine #anti daroline #tw assault #stefan salvatore #caroline forbes

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istandwithrussiaandpalestine30 · 1 year

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The Vampire Diaries should have stopped filming in Season 4, and have Elena turning human instead of Katherine, and she chooses Stefan instead of Damon. The show deteriorated quickly in Season 5.

#anti the vampire diaries #the vampire diaries #fuck delena #fuck steferine #fuck klaroline #anti delena #anti steferine #anti klaroline #meta

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blairwaldcrf · 2 years

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okay but katherine saying that stefan is a better dancer and that's why she chose him as an escort...... and stefan hating to dance continuously decades afterwards?? like is that not a very understated way of showing how deeply her abuse affected him?

#:/#anti steferine #s2 is going to kill me #don't get me wrong i love a good female villain but like. :/#tvd

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markofcaindean · 7 years

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what's your opinion on "stefan's love for katherine"? my opinion is that stefan never loved katherine, he was compelled, katherine lies saying she didn't, but she admitted stefan never loved her in 5x15 when she said she always wondered what it would be like to be loved by him. But Stefan haters (who ship steferine)keep saying that he came back to Mystic Falls for her, he loved her just because he kept a picture,etc?

Oh man this question sigh I feel like there is no right or wrong answer here ( like is Delena a shit show? Yes there is only one right answer to that question.) because the situation is so complicated and also because the writing became so bad toward the end where everything started contradicting each other but thats ok . Anyways , here is what I think everyone needs to remember when they met Stefan was freakin 17 a impressionable 17 year old kid who can easily be blown away by beauty and charisma which Katherine had. and katherine was almost this forbidden thing you had to fight for which made her more alluring. I think you can never forget the first person you had strong feelings for whether that was love or not. And to the people who bring up the pic lol nice try next. You can keep a pic for A LOT of reasons just because it was your first love you had some good memories with said person there is 100 reasons does NOT mean the person is still in love or in Stefan’s case everyone needs to understand what role Katherine played she really essentially changed Stefan and shaped him as a vampire indirectly . Katherine had a HUGE IMPACT ON STEFAN. And damon for that matter. Its simple shes this older powerful vampire who storms into their lives and basically changes it forever. I think Stefan learned more about right and wrong from her. And he learned about emotions and feelings from her I mean that scene where she tells him to get angry? Only she could have done that she had to be there for that and it was a great scene pretty much the last shred of good writing we got it shows she does know both brothers very well.

She is the one who introduced him to this world and again he was 17 she had a big impact at that age I mean think about it its a crucial time. Stefan learned a lot about himself through her and the mistakes he made when it came to that damon katherine stefan debacle. Now Katherine is right to an extent the problem with stefan and katherine is Damon said it he was never compelled so damon x katherine yo ucan see more clearly but Stefan x Katherine you can’t simply because she NEVER gave him a chance to understand to really know HER . Remember the first time after he woke up terrified of her it was a CLEAR no from him but she chose to compel him so did she even give him that chance to love her ? on his own terms and free will? No. She didn’t . Because he never got that chance he was rightfully so afraid and she chose the easy way out. So I think Stefan felt something for her and it was powerful strong but she is right she wont really ever understand how strongly selflessly and passionately Stefan loves she wont and she only has herself to blame for that.

and lol Stefan said it literally in the pilot its in the intro he came back for Elena he had to know her. jfc do people watch shows correctly ? Stefan didn’t even know Katherine was alive lmaooo Damon did . Jesus 10 years later people will still grasp at straws.

#asks #anonymous #Anti Steferine #?#I dont even know #lol #long post for ts #this was a jumbled mess I'm sorry

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rockclimbinglover12107 · 1 year

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Rating TVD ships :

Stelena: 6/10. Paul and Nina had good chemistry and it was certainly the better option of the two main ships but I found them very vanilla and I take the stance that the brothers ruined Elena so I can’t bring myself to fully support it. Also, the retconning of this ship after season 4 always bugged me.

Delena: 1/10. Nothing about this toxic ship made sense and it was clearly done as fan service. Elena HATED Damon in the earlier seasons and it was clear her only loved her because of Katherine. Damon was clearly manipulative towards Elena, always controlling and undermining her, and I have already mentioned the fact that the Salvatore brothers traumatised Elena and ruined her life.

Steroline: 4/10. This ship had the sole purpose of giving two main characters an ending with another person. It was boring and they were obviously better as friends. However, they weren’t overly toxic or impactful so I didn’t mind them too much.

Bamon: 8/10. It was much better than Delena and their chemistry was good. Their time in the prison world was one of the only semi-interesting elements of the story after Katherine died . Bonnie deserved a dynamic love interest and she brouggt out the good in Damon, something that Elena did the opposite of. However, I don’t see the ship lasting as Bonnie is a very moral character and Damon is pretty much the opposite.

Klaroline: -100000/10. Everything about this ship sucked. His attraction and interest in Caroline made no sense and realistically she would be a brief fling at best. Her sleeping with the guy who essentially wanted to kill her best mate was shady and the fact that KATHERINE of all people had to call this out was honestly sad. Also some ( not all ) of their fans are so annoying, always complaining that they didn’t end up together and disregarding all of the pain that Klaus caused. Most TVD fanfiction revolves around either them or Dullena and this is really annoying to me, as someone who doesn’t ship them.

Forwood: 3/10. It’s better than Klaroline but it’s still toxic and both characters annoyed me when they were together. Caroline was better when paired with one of the other girls or Stefan ( as a friend ) and I thought that Tyler was always either boring or a horrible person.

Steferine: 5/10. Paul and Nina’s chemistry really shone with this pairing and they were interesting in season 2 but as time went on they became tiresome and Katherine’s obsession in season 5 was both annoying and completely out of character. I was much more interested in the Katherine / Caroline dynamic and also the Katherine / Elena dynamic than the Steferine one in this season.

Kalijah: -5/10. This man found a way to free her but chose not to use it and instead was going to allow her to die at the hands of Klaus. Then he got upset when she fled to stay alive and held it against her for years. Finally, when they had a fling in season 4, he broke up with her and betrayed her over killing ONE guy who was her enemy, conveniently ignoring the amount of innocent people that he and his family have killed. Everything about this ship, aside from the actor’s chemistry, sucked and the idea that he was loyal to her for 500 years is absolute bull.

That’s it for now, but I may do a part 2 with some non-canon ships or any canon ships that I haven’t covered yet.

#stelena #anti delena #anti steroline #bamon #anti klaroline #anti forwood #steferine #anti kalijah #tvd #stefan salvatore #elena gilbert #anti damon salvatore #bonnie bennett #anti klaus mikaelson #caroline forbes #anti tyler lockwood #katherine pierce #anti elijah mikaelson #just my opinion

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