#anti tobirama fandom

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Tobirama might have been prejudiced toward Uchiha, but he drew the line on human experimentation...

Oh, well, he conducted undisclosed autopsies on Uchiha's bodies, but he drew the line on human sacrifices...

Oh, well, Edo-Tensei needs human sacrifices, but he drew the line on using innocent people...

Oh, well, who exactly is innocent when they all partake in a system based upon oppression and warfare, but he drew the line on using children...

Oh, well, he created the exams that sends children to warlike scenarios, but he drew the line on hurting allies...

Oh, well, Uchiha were their allies and he still created a system that harmed them specifically, but he drew the line in--

#that's how y'all sound #anti tobirama #anti tobirama senju #anti tobirama fandom #anti tobirama stans #anti konoha #anti shinobi system

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I have mixed feelings about this panel.

One one hand, Kishi cementing Izuna as the most loved person in Madara’s life provides a new dimension to explore Madara’s character which is great.

One the other hand, I dislike the use of this love as justification for Madara’s fall into darkness since it completely discredits Madara’s rightful desire to change the system.

By stating that Madara fell into darkness because he lost his brother here Kishi is not only justifying the Uchiha genocide by using Madara’s fall as an example for curse of hatred BS but he’s also discrediting Madara’s very valid points against the system.

Sure Madara changed after Izuna’s death and was depressed but he was recovering in Konoha and was dedicating his energy to try to both protect his clan and achieve some semblance of the peace he dreamed of as a child.

The reason Madara went off the deep end is a combination of being disappointed at what Konoha became and reading the stone tablet. Madara had valid reasons to be disillusioned given the fact that he noticed how Konoha is just a macro-state of the shinobi lifestyle the clans practiced therefore he won’t be able to keep his promise to Izuna. Konoha is not stopping any bloodshed as the Senju promised.

That’s why Madara had a mental breakdown not because his brother’s death activated some magic genes that made him lose his mind.

(This goes for Sasuke too by the way. Kishi tries to discredit his trauma due to the system’s injustice by saying that the sharingan makes the user lose his mind therefore the user is in darkness and “needs to be saved”).

If Konoha was a true alliance between both clans as Hashirama promised in the beginning, Madara would be fine (sure his dream would be hollow without Izuna but he won’t lose his mind) because the system would be fair.

That’s my problem with the curse of hatred in canon. It’s used to discredit victims just like the terrorist card is used to discredit resistance in real life.

#pro Sasuke #anti tobirama #anti tobirama fandom #Sasuke #curse of hatred #anti will of fire #madara #uchiha clan

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#anti tobirama fandom

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#Anti MadaTobi #Anti TobiMada #Anti Tobirama Fandom #Anti Madara Fandom

[loveforsasuke]

Why do you hate Tobirama? I think he is right you see the uchiha's...right? (sasuke, madara, obito)

haha, no. he's not right, he's just racist and stupid.

if u think he's right, there might be something sus about you too💀

yea, i saw the uchiha's. i understand what you're trying to say with this.. but you're just an idiot, so ☺️

#anti tobirama #anti tobirama fandom #pro uchiha #sasuke #madara #obito #naruto

[madaraswarfan]

apparently madara not only traumatized tobirama and made his life and every decision he makes revolves around him but also he managed to traumatize some of his pathetic stans .. all of you are his bitches for real and that's how you will always be for every uchiha and their stans

#seek help #choking on that uchiha's cock for awhile now #his power #anti tobirama #anti tobirama fandom #you know who i am talking about

[captainshadowgirllostfan]

I spent my entire fucking middle school hearing people dump on Sasuke as this emo kid etcetera etcetera. If I wanna defend this character I will. What I wonder is why you have a problem with it? You wanna hate, go hate. But don't whine if I got something to say about it, like I'm not allowed to defend a character I like. It feels like this is the only fandom, people got a problem with doing that and yet every other fandoms has free reign.

#Sasuke Uchiha #anti Naruto fandom #anti tobirama fandom

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Leave it to the Naruto fandom to be racist against a fictional group of people

#Yes this is abt Tobirama fans #I knew they existed but had never visited ones account until today #like how do you read the manga and come away thinking ‘wow fuck the Uchiha’ #hello???? #though I guess I shouldn’t have expected anything more #naruto #pro uchiha #anti tobirama #anti tobirama fandom

[leportraitducadavre]

Why are the Uchiha considered a non-oppressed group? Naruto's fandom, specifically pro-Konoha readers, tend to claim that neither Sasuke nor his family was actually oppressed nor discriminated against prior to their killing; furthermore, some tend to state that it's for this supposed reason that the massacre was justified, as not only they perceived no injustice when presented with evidence of their treatment at the hands of those in positions of power (who should've had guaranteed their survival at the very minimum, as that was the reason for the village's creation), but also consider their plan to coup a consequence of their "traitorous" nature; a disservice after everything "Konoha did for them".

Some other fans, not much smarter than the first group, are willing to admit some of the discrimination they suffered; but they are reluctant to see such conduct as a learned animosity, labeling it as a "modern occurrence" (when speaking of Hiruzen's timeframe). According to them, the Uchiha had just begun to be discriminated against, so their reaction was disproportionate; apparently, it's mandatory to wait for such bigotry to be repeated for a few generations before considering it a systematic occurrence rather than an isolated event.

Genocide doesn't happen in a vacuum, it's not an option that is plausibly considered if not after years or decades of cultural and political repression and degradation. It's the growth of a slow but consistent process of dehumanization, to the point where those taught under such a regime of thought truly consider their life, rights, and opinions far more valuable and important than those they degrade.

Arresting or even killing the clan members that actually wanted to coup would've been far more understandable had those in power seen Uchiha humane enough for their lives to be considered, to matter; yet the elders quickly saw mass murder as an enticing option, sending one of the kin they wanted to exterminate to do their dirty job so they wouldn't lose "one of their own" and still look pristine.

They were able to do so and still see themselves as agents of peace because they were taught that they were on the right side of history, as the story was told from their perspective; the handwriting of their mentor shines dark and spotless on the parchments of their national library.

And, as for them, there were no real losses that day, their life continued. And those responsible for the death of dozens kept smiling, kept walking amongst the classmates of the children they sent to murder, telling them to fight for their memory, to give meaning to the pain by growing.

The fandom still believes that their death was requited, necessary, and fair; putting the blame of the genocide at most upon two sets of shoulders (Danzo, Hiruzen) instead of (at least) six (Tobirama, Danzo, Hiruzen, Koharu, Homura and Itachi), because they truly think that such an idea can be created out of thin air and it's not the consequence of an oppressive system that it's constantly demoting a specific group's value; because they truly think that the Council is acting on their own volition and isn't abiding the structure set by those before them. To them, four men and a woman created and taught themselves their own moral, social, and cultural parameters for this specific portion of the story before renouncing them and subscribing once again to their teachers (who somehow are painted as ~agents of peace~).

But alas, let's dissect some of their arguments, perhaps like this some of their brilliance shall illuminate us:

Their doujutsu and overall pride as a clan. The Sharingan is probably the most powerful doujutsu inside the Narutoverse (slightly less so than the Rinnegan but that needs the Sharingan as a base to develop), which for them translates into their clan having a “natural advantage” over others during a battle; thus, if they are so strong, how come they are oppressed? For them, that’s a contradiction because they can only phantom oppression if it’s visible, as in physical: literal submission through physical strength. Yet the Sharingan is canonically expressed to be a rare outcome inside the family, a rarity that just a few members of the clan possessed, so it’s a “natural advantage” that not many Uchiha have nor had at the time of their murder. But the tale hasn't finished, because there's a recurrent joke amongst these antis, for "how come the Sharingan is so powerful yet they were whipped by Itachi in just one night!", they shout, hyena laughter amidst their group; yet they don't talk further as not to attract detractors with quick wit, as they don't take into account (can't take into account) not only the prior point but also Obito’s participation -who was in charge of killing the strongest members of the clan but Fugaku (the later who decided not to fight), and without minding the context in itself as Itachi sneaked into clan members' homes and killed them when their back was turned, as he took advantage of the trust they bestowed upon him.

They were the ones who were “entrusted” by Tobirama to make Konoha’s citizens respect the law -summarizing, they were “given” the Police Force. In this specific regard, the police force inside the Narutoverse is directly compared (and therefore, read) to its real-life counterpart, yet: a- The Uchiha’s job was to be carried inside a military state, most of the citizens inside Konoha have tools at their disposal to either evade or fight back the Uchiha's "authority". It's difficult for them to read such phrases for it shatters their self-insertion; how come Naruto isn't about my self-perceived value inside the country I inhabit? b- The Police Force’s power, influence, and control were directly limited by the Hokage, they couldn’t arrest ANBU members (meaning those who were, one in charge of spying on them, and two a big portion of Konoha’s forces). c- Uchiha couldn’t aspire to be something else but members of the police. The only ones who could work outside that specific force were those individuals that abandoned their identities as clan members and swore allegiance to Konoha. Only Itachi (the perpetrator), Shisui, and Kagami (who were luckily dead before the events of the UCM transpired) were shown outside such a limited sphere. No other clan was shown to need such extreme measures to work in their chosen field. The fact that the prison was constructed to be inside their compound prior to them being moved to the outskirts of the city isn’t enough for them to understand that this specific job was forced upon Uchiha. "It's easier for them to keep an eye on the prisoners," they claim, clicking their tongues, yet won't see what it politically entails, for Uchiha members can never detach themselves from their duty, as it was physically adhered to their lands. "It's a duty they could thrive on," they vomit, and they did, yet no one sees -because it all happens inside their own compound. Not a single clan is shown to “have one specific job” inside Konoha but the Uchiha. d- Nevermind the very real and canonic impact that such work has amongst Konoha citizens, as the lesser members of Konoha's militia grow resentful of those that "control" them; in addition, such position also prevents the Uchiha from properly integrating amongst the general population, as they can't commune completely with those they need to keep tabs on. Was the Police Force ever rebuilt after the UCM? ANBU forces were quick to absorb their duties after the Kyuubi attack, decreasing at a much faster speed their position inside the place they built. The Police Force was dismantled and forgotten after the massacre, further proving the real irrelevance of such duty and the actual hidden purpose in its creation. e- How come the Uchiha "monopolized" a force that was literally and canonically given to them? How did they take over and denied anyone else's presence inside that structure when not only did they not create it but the prison was built by the government itself inside their compound? Someone with fewer brain cells than them will think that it's Konoha's government the one limiting the nature of the members that had to forcefully take care of that task, as clan compounds have restrictions on who can enter; but not them -oh no, ah, the wisdom of these people amazes me...

Their members’ popularity. Specifically, Sasuke and Itachi. What they say while fidgeting in their seats is simple: "how come Itachi (prior to the massacre) and Sasuke (after) were so praised by non-Uchiha if they were discriminated against"? And, ah, we could've finally reached enlightenment; yet their worldview is irrevocably simplistic, as systematic oppression doesn’t always translate into direct discrimination at the hands of other citizens. The Uchiha clan was moved to the outskirts of the city without any other family raising any eyebrows, they don’t have to be spitted on by other shinobi for them to be oppressed, that’s limiting the notion of discrimination/oppression to a single factor -the physical one, without minding the others. To explain it in lesser terms, as we must crouch down to speak to them to be on their level, saying that the Uchiha weren’t discriminated against due to lack of physical aggression, and I guess a genocide isn’t enough aggression for some, it’s like saying a man is a misogynist only if he slaps a woman. That way, monetary, social, cultural, and political domination are left out of the discussion, therefore, it’s limiting sexism to individuals’ actions rather than seeing the system these men were raised on and that it built their resolve to, finally, physically attack a woman. Uchiha were the only ones whose value was tied to their biological nature -no other families inside Konoha found as many restrictions as they did (might I remind you that there was a clan that happily enslaved their members and no one seemed to care?), their biology was enough reason to keep them both away of positions of power (meaning that the laws/decisions that influenced their lifestyle were made for them without a single Uchiha consultant), and restricting their movements inside their village. And I know many of these antis will claim “oh, but name one of the other noble clans (but the Nara’s, of course) that are actually in a place inside the Council, none of them were!” And you see, they miss the point by a mile, because the issue isn’t only the Uchiha not having incidence nor right to (at least) vote inside a village they founded, but specifically them being denied such presence under the premise of a biological predisposition that they have no control of. No other clan, whether they are or not at this point in time inside the Council, is denied a future position under those premises, they either can’t achieve it due to their lack of connections (Minato Namikaze, member of a non-noble clan was made Hokage due to his relationship with Jiraiya) or having not enough rank to participate (Morino Ibiki, also from a clan not specifically important, is the Head of the T&I Department).

#tw: strong language #anti konoha #anti shinobi system #anti naruto #anti naruto uzumaki #anti danzo #anti danzo shimura #anti hiruzen #anti hiruzen sarutobi #anti itachi #anti itachi uchiha #anti tobirama #anti tobirama senju #anti tobirama fandom #pro uchiha #pro uchiha clan #sasuke #sasuke uchiha #fugaku uchiha #uchiha #uchiha clan #meta #anti will of fire #anti curse of hatred #anti wof #anti coh

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Naruto fandom: The Uchiha weren’t exploited by T*birama in the police force!

Meanwhile in the manga:

I mean guys T*birama saying he tried to channel their power is an admission that he exploited them through his political policies!

He doesn’t see the irony of what he’s saying but the reader an objective observer should.

In addition, this really gets across that the Uchiha were never seen as allies by him. From the beginning he targeted them for their power and he didn’t see them for anything beyond the power of their dojutsu.

#anti tobirama fandom

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#anti tobirama fandom

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#Anti TobiMada #Anti MadaTobi #Anti Tobirama Fandom #Tobirama Senju #Madara Uchiha

[plumsaffron]

Senju dung said in exclamation to Sasuke that The Uchiha are A Clan Possessed By Evil.

Hah and Orochimaru was like Madara really hurt your very existence that bad.

#Anti Tobirama #Anti Tobirama Fandom #plumsaffron

[slowlysointernet]

A very small minority of Tobirama fans actually understand his character but the majority are just Uchiha haters. Like that's their defining trait as a fandom.

#Naruto #Anti Naruto Fandom #Senju Tobirama #Anti Tobirama Fandom #Uchiha Clan