#anti vegan

[insufferablefirehazard]

If you care about animals you'd be vegan because the industries that make animal products are abusive and animals aren't here to serve us.

#vegan #anti vegan #animals

[missbaphomet]

Idk who needs to hear this buuuuuut veganism isn't sustainable and in many cases is worse for the environment and less ethical than just using the product you're substituting

#baph bleats #anti vegan

[vegan-butch]

The fact is to correct climate change we NEED to, at the very least, DRASTICALLY reduce meat consumption.

There is no world where climate change is fixed and you’re still eating how you are now.

#.txt #unless youre vegan than congrats #anti vegan #vegan #climate change #climate activism

[unityrain24]

hate when boot companies are like "we are Environmentally Friendly because we don't use real animal leather!" What do you mean environmentally friendly!!! that means you are using synthetic fake leather!! plastic is NOT environmentally friendly!!!!!

#animal leather is environmentally friendly #and there are ethical ways to source it #it's not always evil evil animal abuse #plastic pleather is not saving the envirnment #it lasts nowhere NEAR as long and just puts microplastics everywhere #real leather can last generations and it's a NATURAL FIBER #and yes there is plant-based leather but it is not mainstream and that is not what those boot companies are using #leather #boots #leather boots #real leather boots #real leather #anti vegan #unityrain.txt

[roseamoungstthethorns]

A take on veganism

While veganism can do good on the world, It's current climate is toxic and unhealthy.

There is no act an individual can to that will effect the level of harm that corporations cause

The especially white vegan view of you have to be fully vegan in everything you consume is toxic, unethical, and often in achievable.

Plastic leather (pleather or vegan leather) is horrible for the environment and your wallet. It sheds a ridiculous amount of plastic products into the environment and does not hold up with time causing you to have to buy more and more. This of course causes more plastic in the environment and more expenses to you.

Most leather is used as a byproduct from cows killed for the meat industry meaning these cows would still be killed if you did not consume leather as they are skilled for hamburger etc. and then instead of discarding their skin it is used for a durable environmentally friendly product.

In again, especially white vegans, the bid to not consume any animal products leads to more harm than good in cases.

Foods like quinoa (grain that has amino acids and protein) and agave (common substitute for honey) harm farmers and the countries who rely on them due to vegans driving up global demand.

Many vegans will boycott honey as it is derived from bees, but will still consume almond milk. This is hypocritical as bees are not harmed in the production of honey, buy are harmed in the transportation to and pollinating of almond groves.

The crazy vegan stereotype turns people away from veganism and decreased animal consumption. The over the top, angry, all or nothing type creates hatred towards the vegan community steating people away from it which creates the opposite effect that it is trying to.

Critic of concepts such as meatless Monday hurts everyone. Most people can't or aren't willing to be vegan or vegetarian but concepts such as meatless Mondays allows for less meat to be cooked when it otherwise would be.

The idea that vegan or vegetarian diets are cheaper is false. This is only true if your diet is mainly beans and rice, but that is not how almost everyone eats. Produce, and dairy and meat substitutes are more expensive than animal products. Furthermore in food deserts or countries/areas where vegan/vegetarian lifestyles aren't common it may be next to impossible to not consume animal products due to low availability and high price.

Most vegans and vegetarians will allow for medications that include animal products, but those who don't create an unsafe space for people who rely on them.

Medications is not the only reason to need to consume animal products and this is where the real danger lies. Any condition that causes a restrictive diet poses a risk in restricting more. Yes, veganism and vegetarism are restrictive diets. Some, but definitely not all, are chron's, gerd, ANY ED, needing to tube feed, IBS, colonoscopy bag users, people on a liquid diet, and much more. Talk to your healthcare provider please before attempting vegan or vegetarian lifestyles if you have any of these types of issues. The vegan movement shames people who rely on animal products to stay healthy and that is dangerous.

Racism plays into the vegan movement as well. Many, again, especially white, vegans shame cultures who use animals. Cultures and traditions who care for animals, use all their parts, farm, and take care of their land and animals are much better than traditionally western practices and the need for veganism is no longer needed. The animals and land are cared for and treated respectfully. Veganism would do more harm than good here.

There us a line between ethical and unethical veganism, however the line is blurred. Knowing when it does more harm than good is not often enough talked about and I believe it's important that unethical veganism is talked about more.

Some ways to help promote ethical living besides veganism

Freegan. A freegan is vegan with the exception to animal products that would otherwise be discarded.

Ethical consumption. Buy from local farmers. Start a community garden. Have your own chickens for eggs. Etc.

Trade and barter. This works around capitalism which is a driving factor towards unethical animal practices.

Support indigenous people. They know how to care for the land and the animals. Importantly their rights have been abused and violated and we need to support them as well.

Shop local. This keeps money out of the hands of big corporations. As well as being environmentally friendly due to less co2 emissions.

Reduce reuse recycle. Start by reducing the products use consume. Then reuse what you can as much as you can. Finally recycle everything you can. This is the order that makes the smallest imprint.

Pescitarian. The only meat pescitarians consume is fish.

Vegetarian. Vegetarians consume animal products but not animals. This can include eggs, but not chickens, milk, but not cow, honey, silk etc. Lakto-vegitarians consume dairy but not eggs and ovo-vegitarians consume eggs but not dairy.

Cutting out any type of meat or animal products.

Only consuming foods that are ethically produced in regards to the environment, animals, and/or humans

Feel free to add more

Remember your health comes first, there is no ethical consumption under capitalism, any change is better than no change.

TL;DR Veganism has problems and isn't the end all be all of ethicality. Reduce consumption in general in the ways you can. Remember your health comes first.

#psa #veganism #vegan #vegitarian #ethical consumption #anti vegan #white veganism #white vegan

[pupucino]

I have to say that your anti-vegan jokes and anti-vegan and pro-animal-products propaganda isn't actually that funny or clever or insightful. If anything it makes you look uneducated. Like you don't have any common knowledge.

#vegan #meat industry #dairy industry #anti vegan #veganism #vegetarian

[cam-ulu29]

HOLD UP FOR A SECOND i just need to correct a bitch that christianity is explicitly anti-vegan/vegetarian. do. not. use christianity as your reasoning for being vegan. it’s illogical. thank u. also I guess this is a fun fact so this is fun fact 211

#Listen I just don’t like it when people say dumb things #veganism #vegan #anti vegan #anti veganism #fun facts #the more you know #christianity

[insufferablefirehazard]

The world is literally on fire and we're killing ourselves and making sure we have no future, but sure. Let's continue to argue why you should be allowed to continue eating corpses and breeding billions of animals into existence just to murder them and drink milk made for baby cows. Makes total sense. Your personal choice is more important than literally everybody's lives. Totally.

#anti vegans are literally killing us all #anti vegan #vegan #climate anxiety #climate crisis #climate change

[you-need-not-apply]

People can choose.

People can choose not to get vaxed. I will not judge them if it’s for legitimate medical reasons, but I will judge others as they are endangering others and themselves

People can choose to be vegan. I will not judge them if they don’t force their beliefs onto others, but I will when they make their pets vegan and scream at passers by to be vegan

People can choose to not have an abortion. I will not judge them as it’s their right to choose, but I will if they use their situation as a way to say “pro-life” and to force their beliefs on others

People can choose to be religious. I will not judge them as they have a right to faith and belief’s, but I will if they force others to believe the same as them and if they don’t then they hate them

People can choose. But that doesn’t mean I will judge them.

People can choose. But that doesn’t mean I won’t judge them.

#choose #choices #pro choice #pro life #tumblr #twitter #people can choose #vegan #anti vegan #anti vax #tw #vaccine #religious #religion #i’m not religious #judgement

[missbaphomet]

Replies won't let me type the full response so here

@thefalse first of all, there's more to meat/dairy consumption than "it tastes good". There are health issues that necessitate eating meat and animal products, and they provide vital vitamins, minerals, and proteins. Your body will specifically even give you cravings for food high in these nutrients when you're in need. Secondly humans are omnivores, our healthiest diets consist of meat AND plant. Livestock also consumes a huge percentage of food waste that humans, including vegans, can't or won't eat. This can be "ugly" food, food too close to expiration, food you can't keep overnight like baked goods. 30% of the diet of that pork chop that I had last Tuesday was food people threw away. Only 36% of food (by calorie) grown globally is eaten by livestock, 55% makes it onto the plate of a human. 9% goes to biofuels.

If you're as worried about resource scarcity as you claim maybe start trying for renewable resources??? The problem isn't "oh wow animals are so bad for the environment", the problem is "companies and corporations are doing bad things for more money and they're only getting worse." You can stop eating milk and honey all you want, but that's not doing literally anything towards what you claim to be advocating for. We can develop new ways to farm that are sustainable and renewable but we can't unfuck the environment with a simple "just don't buy meat lol". It's infinitely more complex than that.

Did you know it's illegal to harvest seeds you got from a tomato at your local Walmart and cultivate them for yourself? That is assuming the plant hasn't been rendered sterile to enforce reliance on whatever company sells the seeds. I personally think that's a bit more fucked up than having a grilled cheese every so often.

Also no one is arguing animal abuse is good, but it's pretty common knowledge that if you abuse your livestock, it reflects negatively in the product. Put simply: animals that are abused then slaughtered for meat make shitty meat. Is there some sketchy shit happening in factory farming? Abso-fucking-lutely. Many livestock animals live on the bare minimum. I absolutely think that livestock should have good lives. Obviously not every cow and pig and chicken can be raised with the same quality of life as a champion show poodle, but they absolutely deserve a nice pasture and good scratch and a warm, comfortable shelter.

You know who provides these things? Local farmers or even just hobbyists. I have several family friends that raise chickens, and we get more eggs than we could ever hope to reasonably eat as a family of four. If you don't eat the egg, toss it back to the chicken! She will happily eat her eggs because they're nutritional and make a damn fine meal. My family also has connections to a family owned cattle farm, and we split a cow up the middle every year, and did for almost 20 years before the owner got cancer and stopped selling beef to focus on his health, and it was damn good beef too. Pigs aren't prominent in my area, but I'm sure I could find one semi-locally. My DM keeps bees and my family went from basically never using honey to buying it by the pint. I think the only thing that my family buys from the store that we couldn't get anywhere else is milk and cheese because pasteurization and cheese making is a huge expensive process that isn't really reasonable to maintain for just a small family.

Ultimately the argument of "but animal abuse" boils down to factory farming, but the solution then becomes just don't buy meat and other products from factory farms.

#baph bleats #i think this is technically eco-socialism? #anti vegan #for the record despite holding beliefs that align with eco-socialism i do not consider myself a socialist #idfk what system is best but i dont believe its capitalism or communism #i think democratic socialism is probably the best bet but it has flaws roo #*too #numbers from NatGeo #and yes i realize popsci mags arent the end-all of sources but its better than most vegans provide (nothing)

[vegan-butch]

"vegans should use wool!" and tell me what do you think "vegan" means? It's not just "someone who treats animals real niceies" I'll tell you that

#.txt #vegan #veganism #anti vegan #animal rights

[bea-l-zebul]

Hot take: Veganism Is the antithesis of anti-consumerism.

Like seriously, that “Just Egg” mystery goop is 38 cents per ounce for their 12 ounce bottle

A 16 ounce carton of egg beaters is 32 cents per ounce, and you get 4 more ounces than the vegan crap.

A jackfruit (used as a pork alternative) is 64 dollars for a 7 pound fruit you may or may not like, that’s 9.14 a pound, and potentially a lot of food waste

You could buy an 8.5 pound pork shoulder for 15 dollars, that’s 1.76 per pound, and pork is pork, as long as you cook it right it tastes good and is unlikely to be wasted.

Granted these are the prices in my area, plus the vegan items used aren’t usually found in your typical ACME or ShopRite, and usually require shipping and handling as well, but my point still stands. It’s cheaper to be able to pick up a steak from ShopRite than having to seek out the Vegan option at a specialty store or order it online. On top of that all vegans need to supplement, and those pills aren’t cheap either.

Basically what I’m saying is that “vegan”and “anti-capitalist/ anti-consumerism” are in fact mutually exclusive and cannot coexist.

And I’m about to piss off the militant vegans by pointing this very simple fact out.

#anti vegan

[ajokeformur-ray]

"plant based coffee"

"plant based floor cleaner"

"plant based toilet roll"

Please stop 😭😭😭

#anti vegan #these things don't even involve meat or animal products??? #omg this shit has gone way too fucking far #veganism is dangerous and kills ppl and i have no respect for it

[stillarandom-radfem]

"It's accidentally vegan!" Oh, you mean it's complete and total junk food, if it can even be called "food" at all? It's made up of nothing but noxious chemicals man-made in a lab, and has exactly zero ingredients that can actually be defined as real food at all? Gee, how "healthy" you are for not eating animal products. I'm sure eating that all that godawful crap, ahem, delicious "accidentally vegan" food, paired with a diet that is nearly entirely devoid of any bioavailable nutrition whatsoever, won't kill you significantly faster than all of us "unhealthy" meat-eaters would. Gosh, you vegans are so brilliant and special. 🙄🙄🙄

#anti vegan #anti veganism #vegans are dumb #vegans are stupid #vegans are wrong #veganism is unhealthy #veganism is an eating disorder #junk food veganism #🙄🙄🙄

[jhoumous]

Apex predator

#veganhumor #vegan humor #veganhumour #veganmeme #vegan meme #veganmemes #vegan memes #veggiememe #veggiememes #vegmeme #vegmemes #vegan #veganism #carnism #carnists #shit carnists say #meat eater #anti vegan #antivegans #ethical veganism #veganfood #vegan living #go vegan #vegetarian #jhoumous #jhummus #jhumus

[cinnamon-ginger]

I love watching YouTube channels do Reddit stories until they cover a vegan topic, it’s so clear that they all (usually) have a Californian, privileged, “woke” mindset. Like veganism is a choice/basic belief not a religion, it’s more political than anything else. Veganism is way more expensive than any other eating habit/diet. As well as veganism harming the environment more than it helps “the wittle animals” (farming practices, plastic wool/not sheering sheep, etc.)

And like I get it, animals are cute and you don’t want to harm them but like people are animals too and most humans need animal products from meat to honey to milk.

Veganism has to always always be accommodated how dare you suggest other wise or insist I provide you with a non vegan option. “Eat a burger beforehand you baby” is a much more common phrase in these talks than “eat a salad beforehand”

It’s so frustrating.

Anyways none of this really applies to vegetarians, it’s not the same at all and I feel like people need to understand this again. I always here about “regular” people and “vegans” with vegetarians getting grouped in with vegans. Vegetarians also can have a medical reason to be that way as opposed to vegans because there is no such thing as a medical vegan.

Like go be vegan, just don’t be so evangelical about it 🙄.

#cgtalks #another rant lol #anti vegan