#anti zukka fandom

[i-d-e-g-a-f]

The thing about the atla renaissance is that I was happy many people were discovering the series! But some people started shipping Zuko and sokka hated zutara and used the tired old "he's a colonizer, he hunted her and her friends.." etc arguments against zk as though sokka is not literally her brother who was by her side for all of that too.

They transplanted the zk dynamic to zs and called people who either pointed that out or just didn't like the ship homophobic. Dark times.

EXACTLY. and i wouldn’t even mind zukka or it’s fans if they weren’t so weird about bragging abt how their ship was like “cooler” or somehow objectively better. you’re not more woke for shipping two men instead of a man and a woman! it’s still just a ship!

#zutara #pro zutara #anti zukka #anti zukka fandom #asks #anon ask #anon answered

[theweeklydiscourse]

It’s just interesting to observe the differences in how people treat Zukka vs how they treat Zutara. Because I searched Zutara on TikTok to look for some edits and the comments were filled to the brim with people saying “But Katara belonged with Aang 🥺” or “How can you ship Zuko with her after Mai said such a romantic line?” Or perhaps the most insufferable of all “Maturing is realizing that Zuko would’ve thrown himself in from of lightning for ANYONE” as if that’s some revolutionary reading of the text. It’s so irritating how this kind of behaviour is…accepted by the fandom.

But you don’t get that with Zukka, instead you see people gushing over how sweet they are together, hailing it as a wholesome and unproblematic ship, praising artworks of it with positivity and appreciation. It’s difficult to find much negativity under Zukka posts, you won’t see people saying “But Sokka belongs with Suki 🥺” or boldly going on a tangent about how another ship is SO much better. I saw one person praise Zukka as the most unproblematic ATLA ship because of how little conflict there was about it, that you wouldn’t see the same hostility among that fandom as you might with Zutara.

But there’s a reason for that which has less to do with Zutara shippers themselves, and more to do with the harassment and hostility they face on all sides of the fandom. Fans will go out of their way to antagonize Zutara shippers, they’ll feel brazen enough to leave backhanded or outright hostile comments under Zutara posts and art, they’ll interject their shipping opinions in spaces where nobody asked and condescend Zutara shippers by framing them as shallow or delusional for shipping it.

I think Zukka is admittedly cute, and they definitely have their haters, but the difference between it and Zutara is astounding. It’s incredibly frustrating to watch this phenomenon play out, especially when these shippers carry themselves with a kind of false moral superiority that can only be found in shipping discourse.

#especially ESPECIALLY when Zutara is constantly being hit with the old *colonizer x colonized* accusations #But somehow Zukka manages to avoid that same criticism despite Sokka being from the same tribe as Katara #Frustrating as a poc zutara shipper to constantly be accused of being a white person romanticizing a supposedly *colonizer romance* dynamic #katara #Zuko #pro zutara #atla discourse #atla fandom #atla fandom salt #atla fandom critical #shipping discourse #enemies to lovers #anti Zukka #anti maiko #avatar the last airbender

[survivalove]

blah blah something something about how fandom gravitate towards more individualistic characters because they’re easier to understand compared to community-oriented characters whose character development is very much tied to their culture/nation because understanding a single character is easier to understand than a character AND an entire culture, especially when said culture is based off a marginalized community that exists in real life 🫠 and said fandom is majority WHITE.

#mini rant #fandom problems #aka #atla fandom problems #yes this is about #katara #cuz when am i not talking about katara #and how this fandom does NOT understand her #because y’all don’t bother to learn about the cultures the white men took from for this show #and how katara’s entire character revolves around her community and her role in it #which is also why that horrible ship is allowed to prevail #because this fandom downplays katara’s loyalty to her tribe #and the cultural implications of that ship #anti zutara #anti zutara fandom #the same can be said for zukka before someone brings it up #in fact #anti zukka #when the tags longer than the post #lmao #i’m not even gonna mention who the individualistic characters are because

[yourhighness6]

I can't remember where I saw this but there was this post I saw a while ago about how if zutarians "really wanted to engage in media analysis they would ship zvkaang" and I just... Ugh.

For one, the age difference is gross to me, especially considering a lot of anti-kat@ang zutara arguments center around the fact that Aang was not mature enough to be in a relationship based on the way he treated Katara, and pointing out that Katara is considerably more emotionally mature than Aang throughout the series. Shipping Aang and Zuko, who remember are canonically twelve and sixteen throughout the series, may be okay for a lot of chronic anime fans (from my understanding anime has huge age gaps like that all the time) but a large age gap is basically the first thing that puts me off of a ship. It's the same thing with ships like tokk@ and zvtoph and sokk@ang. A two year age difference is fine for high schoolers, but four years is really, really pushing it, especially when you consider that Aang would be fourteen when Zuko is eighteen.

And if that weren't disqualifying enough, whereas zutara has a truly incredible amount of romantic coding from the music used in certain scenes to small gestures such as them reaching for each other in the final agni kai and Katara's thumb on Zuko's lips in the crystal caves scene to the "she's not my girlfriend!", a common romantic trope being used several times between them, zvkaang has no romantic coding. They honestly remind me of that "platonic tension" textpost that was making the rounds a while ago. That being said, I do understand that "chemistry" and "romantic coding" are fairly relative concepts, but it definitely isn't heteronormativity that makes people see zutara instead of zvkaang as romantic (and although I also ship zvkka to a lesser extent the same can kind of be said there).

Anyway, with a weird age difference and zero romantic coding, that, in my opinion, kind of derails the ship, but its also worth mentioning that the original post's only argument seemed to be that just because Zuko and Aang are narrative foils, it makes sense that they should be romantically involved, which frankly, isn't a very good argument, especially when you consider that Zuko and Azula are also narrative foils and siblings. Narrative foils come in many forms, and come to think of it, I don't think I ship narrative foils from any show I've ever watched. The parallels between zutara often specifically highlight how they might suit each other romantically, and fit with the show's themes of balance.

This is just my opinion, and certainly not meant as a callout for any zvkaang shippers, especially those who are zutara and zvkaang shippers, I just felt it necessary to debunk the idea that if zutarians actually cared about literary analysis, they would ship zvkaang. It's just another half-assed, poorly thought out way to delegitimize zutara shippers and pretend that the ship has no canon basis, while in reality, anyone with an objective eye for media analysis can see that zutara is by no means a ship to be ignored.

#atla #avatar the last airbender #zutara #fandom salt #anti zukaang #anti zukka #anti kataang #emmie babbles

[sapphic-agent]

The ATLA Renaissance was actually so unhinged.

What do you mean Zutara's a colonizer ship and Zukka somehow isn't? What do you mean Katara's the worst member of the Gaang? What do you mean Aang was right in TSR? What do you mean Sokka's the most developed character??

I, for one, do not miss this era of the fandom

#anti atla fandom #anti atla renaissance #zutara friendly #sokka critical #aang critical #katara deserved better #idk who needs to hear this but you're not a progressive hero for hating zutara #ESPECIALLY if you ship zukka #do you not understand how stupid you sound #i'm not even a zutara shipper but holy shit

[rifari2037]

I did falling in love with Zutara and I probably always love them!

#katara x zuko #zuko x katara #zutara #zukoxkatara #zuko and katara #blue spirit x painted lady #zutara was robbed #pro zutara #anti anti zutara #anti kataang #atla zutara #zutara edit #zutara fan #zutara fandom #zutara forever #anti aang #antikataang #anti bryke #zk #anti zukka #anti maiko #atla zuko #atla katara

[azulas-daddy-kink]

It's as if fandom one day collectively decided "we need a slash ship we can blindly worship but it must be the most boring and contrived thing imaginable, with zero chemistry or basis in canon".

And then Zukka was born.

#atla #shipping #discourse #anti zukka #atla fandom problems

[punkeropercyjackson]

Atla fans are a whole different breed because one time i made a post saying Spiderverse movies!Gwen Stacy is a Zuko kinnie with a short elaboration in the first tag and one of them said it's not true because everybody loves Zuko and Gwen gets tons of hate..........Hello

#genuinely living in my head rent free because it keeps breaking into my house.what did fandom perception have to do with that💀 #atla geekery #atla chibi shorts #echos and aftershocks #itsv #atsv #btsv #spiderman #zuko #gwen stacy #pro zuko #pro gwen stacy #maiko atla #zukka #ty luko #jetko #anti zutara #ghostflower #ghostpunk #ghostbyte #ghostmodel #misogyny cw #trans zuko #trans gwen stacy #autistic zuko #autistic gwen stacy #💌 #summerposting

[elfantasmadejanis]

can't believe that i just saw people reblogging a post that said they 'dont think that the fire nation is discriminatory and that the water tribes are' and 'as the most technologically advanced nation (...) they're also the most advanced in thinking' and in regards to sexism and homophobia the water tribe is 'a bit less accepting of these things/ignorant'

why are you even watching atla if you hate indigenous and dark skinned people this much

'most advanced in thinking' about the people who spend the whole series comitting multiple genocides

'not discriminatory' even if we ignore canonical sexism and homophobia in the fn (which we shouldn't) is racism, classism and actual g e n o c i d e not discrimintation now

pinkwashing and purplewashing has really rotted so many people's brains i hate it i hate it

#if you are watching atla n find yourself defending the colonisers n the superiority of their nation just stop and look at what you're doing #or just stop. just stop. #i don't think most people in fandom would state it quite so awfully #but you can see traces of this fucking everywhere #start listening to indigenous folks in the fandom n people who actually know about the mechanics of colonialism #before you start coming up with stupid ass racist bs commentary #this was a zukka shipper too #zukka nation will be anti-colonial or we are shutting this whole thing down rn

[zvtara-was-never-canon]

Okay, I already counted seven asks like that just today, so let's make one thing very clear here: I am not a Zukka fan and grew to dislike the ship because of all the harassment and the "if you don't like it and don't pretend it's canon, you're a bigot."

It was NOT because I dislike gay ships, be they canon or fanon. Me saying I don't like Zukka is NOT an invitation to actual homophobes to come tell me how glad they are that I am "on their side", so the people that are sending me asks throwing all kinds of homophobic insults towards not just Zukka fans, but any non-straight person in general:

FUCK OFF!

#anti zukka #fandom homophobia

[agnisleftpec]

the fun thing about being a nonshipper who's forcibly desensitized themself to romance so they can actually survive in fandom spaces is i am truly free. nothing can stop me. evryone is dating everyone and no one at once. and i get so much gorgeous art and fanfic

#woe. confusion be upon thee #I'll reblog any ship if i like the art or it makes me laugh #yall better have ur hated ships blacklisted lmao #cuz i Do Not Care #that said obviously i have some ships that im more of a fan of #but usually that's just because i like seeing those character interacting more in general #zukaang is big for thag #and then the attitude of the shippers in general also has an impact #zukka shippers i love you so fcukcing much #old fashioned zutara and kataang shippers we need to have a talk #do my anti-romance feelings still flare sometimes #yes #i am aro/ace and sometimes i just want to feel seen in fandom spaces #but im trying to force myself away from feeling bitter about other people having fun #if i want platonic stuff it is out there #and i can make more of it #and in the meantime i shall celebrate the aspects of romantic ships that i do enjoy

[allthebestnamesweretaken]

I get critiquing a ship or a character in a ship. I get not agreeing with a ship. I even get not liking a ship. But I don’t get what’s going on with the KAs bc every once in a while I’ll see one of their posts and it’s nothing but hatred for ZK in the comments💀 Zuko is a colonizer, Aang deserved Katara, Katara being with Zuko is wrong bc it would hurt Aang, they had 3 kids, etc etc etc. Like can we just have fun😭 yes critiquing media is apart of that fun but that’s not what those comments are and it’s getting weird (it’s been weird tbh)

Anyways got any ZK fic recs??? I’m currently reading Consume Me with Fire, Flood Me with Desire by Dacamia and I’m liking it so far

#zutara fandom #zutara #anti anti zutara #I don’t even have a problem with kataang but the shippers can get a lil much #anti kataang #tagging just to be safe #what if we squashed the ship war guys #I wonder if zukka shippers get as much hate from sukka shippers #zuko x katara #my best friend is a kataang shipper and we still get along #let’s all be more like that 🤣 #I have read anti Zutara critiques and when it’s not obvious bashing I’m all for it #like yes let me tell you all the reasons I love them and we just talk about it

[theweeklydiscourse]

It’s a bit of a self-own to express pride that the Zukka shipping base doesn’t produce many essays or meta analysis on the ship. That kind of content and engagement with the text is arguably one of the best things a fandom can do when it comes to shipping. Of course, not everything has to include in-depth analysis because sometimes you just want to ship something based on vibes and a dynamic you like. But…it is kinda odd to see this be touted as some amazing quality to the Zukka crowd (particularly when it’s a not-so-subtle dig at Zutara shippers).

To me, it reads as them trying to prove themselves as “humble” shippers by constantly trying to prove how unseriously they take it. But like…you can take it seriously? I don’t ship Zukka, but I see the appeal and can understand why that dynamic appeals to people, so it puzzles me that a bunch of Zukka shippers pride themselves on this front. Maybe they should consider channeling their energy into writing metas instead of constantly trying to prove that they’re above Zutara shippers lol

#guys don’t be afraid to like something in earnest #avatar the last airbender #anti zukka #atla fandom discourse #shipping discourse #zutara #atla fandom salt #atla fandom critical #atla discourse #atla

[survivalove]

I hate to do this but someone reblogged one of my posts and I scrolled down their tl, hoping to mutual, and saw this mess:

Do people actually somehow watch the show and not see every single moment where Katara blushes or plays with her hair around Aang, gets shy at the thought of kissing Aang, is clearly attracted to him in Book 3, gets jealous of any girl that’s also attracted to him.

Or Aang comforting Katara several times: hugging her in the Serpent’s Pass and validating her feelings to the point she cried, comforting her when Jet died and getting the whole group to hug her, telling her how she inspires people and gives them hope, literally tells her she’s a hero??

Aang and Katara literally having several disagreements, Aang’s perception of Katara changing over the three seasons, him agreeing with every single idea she had to flat out rejecting her advice, then wrongly blowing up at her after zuko and the rest were flat out racist to him?? Aang telling her to confront the man that killed her mother after she rejected his advice??

Mind you Katara can barely tell Aang likes her back until season 3 and clearly shows feelings for him way before he starts initiating romantic acts with her after TWO seasons of her touching, kissing him on the cheek and hugging him unprompted 💀 not to mention “forces non-romantic feelings on her” when she is the one that said he was her family after a week of knowing him?? what does that even meannnnn

And I’m supposed to believe that these people actually watched the show, paying attention to… KATARA?

On top of that, to say (not pictured) the only person to ever comfort her was the guy that attacked her several times 💀 and he didn’t even do anything??? used Sokka’s trauma to come up with a plan he didn’t even agree with (nor did he ask him, like you can ask him to retell the most horrible moment of his life, but you can’t ask him if taking his sister to confront the man is a good idea? you can’t even ask him if he wants to go??? that is literally the most horrible writing i’ve ever seen but i digress). on top of that doing it for the most obvious ulterior motive of getting her to forgive him. standing there while she bloodbended and almost killed a man, not knowing she just swore off doing the former weeks ago because all he knows her to be is hostile until that moment. He doesn’t know Katara to be someone that expresses love and kindness until she forgives him but apparently this is how you comfort someone over every single moment of Aang comforting her that I listed above. okayyyyy

Just to contrast for contrast’s sake, Aang:

1. offers to take Katara to the North Pole with zero ulterior motive,

2. gets her mother’s necklace back with zero ulterior move,

3. helps her destroy a factory with zero ulterior motive…

4. helps her get Haru back, stands up for her to Pakku, calls her Sifu when she complains, comes back to save her home and gives himself up, comes back to save her in ba sing se and I’m sure a million things I’m missing, all with literally zero ulterior motives at all.

Meanwhile antagonist does one nice thing for female mc with shady undertones that might as well be overtones and now he’s allegedly better than her friend who helps her several times for no reason other than the fact that its something she wants.

Like am I supposed to believe that these people actually like Katara or are media literate at all? I feel like I’m going insane 😭

#pro kataang #anti zutara #antizutara #anti anti kataang #anti anti aang #anti zuko #anti zukka #katara #aang #atla fandom problems #i think i need to put a dni in my bio #because these freaks are winding up on here reblogging my posts #the jokes write themselves #stay away from me

[heartofkandrakarz]

i hate how huge the atla problem has with villianizing borwn and queer ppl that ship zutara— its a serious problem thats been going on for years and when ever someone speaks out we’re labeled as dramatic and attention seeking. it’s draining and it sucks how these issues are always dwindled down to ‘ship wars’ instead of racism and bigotry

#atla #mini rant #fandom bs #anti atla fandom #atla fandom critical #anti zukka stans #anti kataang stans #anti ‘anti zutara’ stans #pro zutara #zutara

[rifari2037]

Watashi no saigo wa anata ga ii I want you to be my last

Anata to kono mama osaraba suru yori If I had to keep being separated from you like this

Shinu no ga ii wa I’d rather die

Shinu no ga ii wa I'd rather die

And Zuko literally sacrifice himself for Katara ❤️💙

#zutara #zk #zuko x katara #katara x zuko #anti anti zutara #zuko and katara #katara and zuko #atla zutara #antikataang #anti maiko #anti bryke #anti kataang #anti zukka #zutara edit #pro zutara #zutara fan #zutara fandom #zutara forever #zutara was robbed #zutaraedit #firelady katara #momtara and dadko