#anti zukka shippers

[geegers22]

Some Zukka shippers need to understand that “Zutara shippers spend so much time arguing that their ship should be canon. Zukka shippers don’t care if our ship is canon or not because we’re above the ship wars” isn’t the sick burn they think it is.

Like YEAH obviously. Zukka is a ship that has almost no standing in canon in the first place. So many Zukka shippers admit that they are drawn towards the dynamic because they just like to see the characters together (there’s nothing wrong with liking a ship for this reason).

But the entire reason that Zutara is still as popular today as it was 15 years ago is because the narrative strongly suggests that it would be canon. If ATLA was a bottle, many Zutara shippers believe that the wrong cap was screwed on in its final moments.

Zukka is a ship that is not backed by the narrative while Zutara is heavily backed by the narrative. So of course our conversations are going to revolve around different topics.

It’s not “above the ship wars” to complain about Zutara shippers gathering too much evidence that our ship should be canon, it’s actually inserting yourself into the ship wars.

#it’s just a dumb argument #good because you wouldn’t be able to win the canon argument anyways #ship whoever tf you want #I don’t care #just stop saying you’re better than us #cause we like to talk about the canonical potential of our ship #zutara #pro zutara #anti anti zutara #anti zukka #anti zukka shippers #atla

[dylanaz]

Being Queer isn't "I can be an asshole and get away with it because I'm this unreachable thing".

Being Queer isn't inherently better than being straight.

And Queer ships aren't better than straight ships... "just because they're gay" isn't a reasonable answer to why your ship is superior.

And being told to be reasonable isn't oppression or any kind of offense.

#Zutara #I've seen this kind of thing so much and it rubs me in the wrong way #Anti zukka #anti zukka shippers

[punkeropercyjackson]

I do NOT think it's fair for Zutara shippers to hate Zukka for a chunk of the fandom popularizing bad tropes and being mean-spirited like sorry not sorry but you're calling EVERY Zukka shipper misogynistic racists and queerphobes as if you're not the ones who came up with 'Fire Lady Katara' and 'Momtara x Dadko' and mocked Aang for trying to emphasize with Katara's mom dying with her by comparing it to him and Appa being the only living beings from what happened to the Air Nomads and call him all sorts of vile appalling shit that should NEVER be said about a fucking 12 year old because he's feminine and silly and not the perfect love interest 24/7 and takes pride in his tibetan heritage AND stripped Katara of all her accomplishments and nonconformity and layers and anarchism because you see her as worthless if she's not Zuko's arm candy while also making degrading comments about her sex life because she had kids with a guy you don't like with added anti-biracial kids propaganda as a bonus AND are so unsympathetic to Mai because she's Zuko but a girl so you're not into her that you unironically think she's a wench plus don't even actually care about Mailee seeing as it has way more evidence than Zutara on every level yet you only see them as a sidedish to prove you don't hate women AND even Zuko dosen't get speared because mans deadass ended the series with everything he'd ever wanted INCLUDING being a better dad than Ozai was to him to AANG but none of it matters apperantly because he choose what was best for himself after 16 years straight of abuse instead of some random ass crush you THINK he had for not even technically a year.You do NOT get to talk shit about Zukka stans,they're just a normal noncanon mlm ship fanbase with a small side of bad eggs,Zutaras are an entire rotten eggs ile from a supermarket that's been abandoned for almost 20 years because it never actually opened but old people who complain about 'kids these days' keep thinking it'll open one day despite it being announced a million times it never would and saying it's elder abuse in response

#i hate you zutara shippers💔💔💔 #anti zutara #zukka #t4t zukka #pro zukka #zuko #sokka #katara #aang #mai atla #ty lee #kataang #pro kataang #t4t kataang #kataang defense squad #mailee #pro mailee #t4t mailee #pro maiko #aang and zuko #punk katara #tenzin #kya lok #bumi lok #dadko #atla geekery #trans #autistic girl summer #💌 #summerposting

[theweeklydiscourse]

It’s just interesting to observe the differences in how people treat Zukka vs how they treat Zutara. Because I searched Zutara on TikTok to look for some edits and the comments were filled to the brim with people saying “But Katara belonged with Aang 🥺” or “How can you ship Zuko with her after Mai said such a romantic line?” Or perhaps the most insufferable of all “Maturing is realizing that Zuko would’ve thrown himself in from of lightning for ANYONE” as if that’s some revolutionary reading of the text. It’s so irritating how this kind of behaviour is…accepted by the fandom.

But you don’t get that with Zukka, instead you see people gushing over how sweet they are together, hailing it as a wholesome and unproblematic ship, praising artworks of it with positivity and appreciation. It’s difficult to find much negativity under Zukka posts, you won’t see people saying “But Sokka belongs with Suki 🥺” or boldly going on a tangent about how another ship is SO much better. I saw one person praise Zukka as the most unproblematic ATLA ship because of how little conflict there was about it, that you wouldn’t see the same hostility among that fandom as you might with Zutara.

But there’s a reason for that which has less to do with Zutara shippers themselves, and more to do with the harassment and hostility they face on all sides of the fandom. Fans will go out of their way to antagonize Zutara shippers, they’ll feel brazen enough to leave backhanded or outright hostile comments under Zutara posts and art, they’ll interject their shipping opinions in spaces where nobody asked and condescend Zutara shippers by framing them as shallow or delusional for shipping it.

I think Zukka is admittedly cute, and they definitely have their haters, but the difference between it and Zutara is astounding. It’s incredibly frustrating to watch this phenomenon play out, especially when these shippers carry themselves with a kind of false moral superiority that can only be found in shipping discourse.

#especially ESPECIALLY when Zutara is constantly being hit with the old *colonizer x colonized* accusations #But somehow Zukka manages to avoid that same criticism despite Sokka being from the same tribe as Katara #Frustrating as a poc zutara shipper to constantly be accused of being a white person romanticizing a supposedly *colonizer romance* dynamic #katara #Zuko #pro zutara #atla discourse #atla fandom #atla fandom salt #atla fandom critical #shipping discourse #enemies to lovers #anti Zukka #anti maiko #avatar the last airbender

[sapphic-agent]

The ATLA Renaissance was actually so unhinged.

What do you mean Zutara's a colonizer ship and Zukka somehow isn't? What do you mean Katara's the worst member of the Gaang? What do you mean Aang was right in TSR? What do you mean Sokka's the most developed character??

I, for one, do not miss this era of the fandom

#anti atla fandom #anti atla renaissance #zutara friendly #sokka critical #aang critical #katara deserved better #idk who needs to hear this but you're not a progressive hero for hating zutara #ESPECIALLY if you ship zukka #do you not understand how stupid you sound #i'm not even a zutara shipper but holy shit

[helloimamistake]

Ok like i said i don't really hate zukka or anything.. But some of their shippers are really.... Something

Like i fr saw a zukka shipper post saying that they hate/not ship zutara because it's too "straight" and zukka is just "right"

I don't really care if you prefer zukka more than zutara but if your reason is that zutara is too "straight"

That's definitely one of the dumbest reason that i have ever heard 😭😭😭

Like i have a feeling that this type of person refused to go beyond the parallels and relationship between zutara because of "straight" so they didn't get the appeal

(Not gonna lie after i saw the word "too straight" the ick that i was feeling was too strong that i immediately block that person without a second thought 😭😭)

#zutara #zuko x katara #katara x zuko #atla #atla zuko #atla katara #fujoshits #im honestly convinced that some of the zukka shippers used to be klance shippers or some shit like that #not gonna tagged zukka or anti zukka cause idk #like im already aware that some people doesn't like the ship because they thought its too toxic #or the shippers are too toxic so that's why they don't ship it #but “too straight”?? 😭

[animentality]

And listen I know this is Tumblr and y'all are gonna vote for the gay one, but I just wanna put this out there...

I'm so fucking mad they didn't make sokka a fucking father. That they made him childless. He should have nineteen children goddamnit. The man had bitches. FUCK.

#atla #polls #just for the record im voting ty lee #he and ty lee were so fucking cute #normally i am the most anti straight shipper ever to walk this earth #but fucking ty lee and sokka had this incalculable chemistry #zukka #tokka #tykka #sukka

[elfantasmadejanis]

can't believe that i just saw people reblogging a post that said they 'dont think that the fire nation is discriminatory and that the water tribes are' and 'as the most technologically advanced nation (...) they're also the most advanced in thinking' and in regards to sexism and homophobia the water tribe is 'a bit less accepting of these things/ignorant'

why are you even watching atla if you hate indigenous and dark skinned people this much

'most advanced in thinking' about the people who spend the whole series comitting multiple genocides

'not discriminatory' even if we ignore canonical sexism and homophobia in the fn (which we shouldn't) is racism, classism and actual g e n o c i d e not discrimintation now

pinkwashing and purplewashing has really rotted so many people's brains i hate it i hate it

#if you are watching atla n find yourself defending the colonisers n the superiority of their nation just stop and look at what you're doing #or just stop. just stop. #i don't think most people in fandom would state it quite so awfully #but you can see traces of this fucking everywhere #start listening to indigenous folks in the fandom n people who actually know about the mechanics of colonialism #before you start coming up with stupid ass racist bs commentary #this was a zukka shipper too #zukka nation will be anti-colonial or we are shutting this whole thing down rn

[coconutsaiyan]

Love how toxic Zutarians will go on and on about being “feminists” and how they “put Katara first” and then proceeded to make her a submissive wife/concubine for sexy masculine Firelord Zuko and hurl misogynistic af remarks about Mai. This might be a hot take, but I’ve noticed that a lot of ships concerning Zuko always revolve around who can coddle him the most/who will be the perfect trophy wife for him.

Don’t you get it anon? It’s totally different when they make Katara the submissive wife/concubine. Its totally not the same as kataang. /s

Don’t even get me started on the 30 year old man on twitter making a slave zutara thread. I wanted to throw up.

You’re definitely right on your hot take. A lot of those ships do center on what they could do for Zuko. Dont get me wrong, I do ships like Jinko, Zuki, Zukaang, and Zukka. A lot of what I’ve read do in fact coddle Zuko to a high degree. Canon Zuko would feel suffocated with that level of coddling.

#aang #katara #anti zutara #Zuko #anti zutara shippers #anti zukka #just in case #CoconutAsks

[agnisleftpec]

the fun thing about being a nonshipper who's forcibly desensitized themself to romance so they can actually survive in fandom spaces is i am truly free. nothing can stop me. evryone is dating everyone and no one at once. and i get so much gorgeous art and fanfic

#woe. confusion be upon thee #I'll reblog any ship if i like the art or it makes me laugh #yall better have ur hated ships blacklisted lmao #cuz i Do Not Care #that said obviously i have some ships that im more of a fan of #but usually that's just because i like seeing those character interacting more in general #zukaang is big for thag #and then the attitude of the shippers in general also has an impact #zukka shippers i love you so fcukcing much #old fashioned zutara and kataang shippers we need to have a talk #do my anti-romance feelings still flare sometimes #yes #i am aro/ace and sometimes i just want to feel seen in fandom spaces #but im trying to force myself away from feeling bitter about other people having fun #if i want platonic stuff it is out there #and i can make more of it #and in the meantime i shall celebrate the aspects of romantic ships that i do enjoy

[caruliaa]

zukka is kinda wild to me a little bit just bc like. atla has been ever for so *so* much longer than cs and yet a ship for it w minimal amnts of actual canon subtext outside one episode regularly takes up an insane amnt of my dashboard meanwhile carulia has like. the level of overt romantic subtext as a if a hypothetical different show had a relationship intended to be made officially romantic in the last season of a show only for that season to get botched somewhat due to quarantine and yet im the only one making content for it even semi regularly

#TO CLARIFY. I TIHNK ZUKKA IS GOOD AND CUTE AND FINE AND IK THIS IS IN PART BC THE ATLA FANDOM IS BIGGER #im jsut using zukka as an example yk #esp bc i remeber ppl arguing over shit like 'the red roses isnt romantic >:(( its just carmens colour !!' #and its jsut insane to me bc like. iv seen ppl be anti zukka somewhat but never anyone argue its bc of a lack of subtext #and its jsut inanse bc i see huge long posts on the dynamic of zukka and im like. babygirl where are u getting that from other than boiling #rock #meaningwhile iv seen like 3 semi long posts on the carulia dynamic evne when ppl see that theyre gay they dont wanna put in the work #to see shit thats write in front of them in regards to theure dynamic or at least talk abt it #AGAIN THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO W ZUKKA PERSONALLY IM V GLAD FOR EVERYONE MAKING POSTS LIKE THAT GO ZUKKA SHIPPER GO !!!!!!!!!! #im just using it as an example #actually i feel like i get this from luce saying to me 'like i thought carulia wld be like zukka like its the popular gay ship #but it doesnt have a lot in canon subtext but it isnt its actually like. insanly obvious' #(<- IM PARAPHRASING IF UR A MAD ZUKKA SHIPPER PLS DIRECT UR HATE TOWARDS ME NOT THEM PLEASEEE TY) #but also a lot of it is more just like. how fandoms treat mlm ships vs wlw ships.but idk maybe im justt being dumb #(ALSO THE LAYWERS OF @CARULIAA.ORG WOULD LIKE TO CALRIFY THAT THEY DO INFACT BELEIVE THAT ZUKKA HAS SOME CANON ROMANTIC SUBTEXT #MOSTLY WITHIN THE EPISODE 'THE BOILLING ROCK' BUT THAT THEY ARE HAPPY AND GLAD FOR ANYONE WHO FINDS ANY BOTH WITHIN AND OUTSIDE THAT EPISOD #AND THAT ONCE AGAIN THEY ARE SIMPLY USING ZUKKA MORE AS AN EXAMPLE) #(thats a joke i dont have laywers. obvs. but its kinda funny) #but also what do i know iv never even read the the prince and the fool thingy FGHDFHDFHDF #anyway. i just realised idk if tumblr still puts post in a tag if u mention them within ur tags. if so im like DEAD #oh well #tbh i more want my zukka mutuals to know i love their zukka posting !!! keep at it im just using u as an example while studying fandom stuf #also ik the lack of carulia content thing is kinda my fault but also at least im trying to make more !!! no one else is is the tihng #but i Am i have an amv in the works rn !!!!! and a fic in my brain #also the big group animatic kinda uh. forgot abt that ig other ppl are also working on carulia stuff. sorry #<//3 #anyway it soo late. been listieng to our love is god on loop did u kno tht jd just killed kurt and ram omg dont do that !!!!!! #flappy rambles

[riddlerosehearts]

your post about mailee says everything i’ve felt about how this fandom (and many others) treat female characters, especially in the context of sapphic shipping.

i could never personally get into mailee due to the annoyance that is it’s fandom. the constant bashing of certain sapphic ships by proclaiming them as toxic (as if that isn’t the appeal) was so annoying to see in 2020 that it sadly left a sour taste in my mouth.

it also just fits into the most boring stereotypes of cute and fluffy sapphic ship!! something that tends to be the case nowadays.

but even with all that aside it’s obvious why mailee exists. they’re a side pairing for more popular ships and oh what a surprise, it’s a mlm ship leading it. i can’t deny that zukka fans mostly contribute to mailee content because they do but also how deeply annoying it is to see this pattern of wlw side pairing for mlm over and over again.

especially with atla of all shows. a show that actually has a complex female character whose unintentionally lesbian-coded but people will not bother exploring her queerness because shes “mentally ill” or “too much” or “she doesn’t need that rn” or whatever excuses people come up with.

it’s a shame to see all this play out but i’m not surprised. at the end of the day it’s always going to be mlm or f/m at this point.

oh wow i'm glad to hear i'm not the only one feeling this way!! like i mentioned in my previous post, i honestly don't really like mai, but i've tried to get myself to over the years. in 2019 i had rewatched the show and thought "hey, mai and ty lee are kinda cute together, i still don't love mai but maybe i could if i try to think more deeply about her character and see if i can find some meta and fics and such that flesh her out and examine her good points. maybe ty lee could be someone who really understands her and brings out the good in her". but mailee was very much a rarepair back then and i could only really find fluffy drabbles to read. i like fluffy drabbles and all, but they just weren't what i needed in this case. so then in 2020 the show gets put on netflix, i come back from a tumblr hiatus to see there's been a massive fandom renaissance, and now mailee is so popular it's getting to high numbers on weekly fandometrics lists! great!

so then i again look for content about them and see that a ton of it is either zuko-centric or zukka-centric with them as a side pairing at best, and zukka just isn't for me. i have a close friend who ships it so i understand the appeal, but i'm always and forever a zutara stan. i could've multishipped (i do reblog cute fanart of them on occasion) if i didn't keep seeing things from the zukka side of the fandom that really frustrate me, this being one of them. and every time i choose to dive back into the fandom and see if things have improved it's still the same, i should not have to go through 53 of the most kudos'd fics in mailee's tag before i find a fic about them especially since they have less than 1/5th the amount of fics as zukka in the first place, and it just makes me sad that this is an issue in almost every fandom. i may not like mai, but you would really think the people making shippy content involving her would like her and be willing to actually focus on her in said content!

as for the constant bashing of other more "toxic" f/f ships and unwillingness to examine another female character's complexity and potential queerness while using her mental illness as an excuse... i believe i know exactly who and what you're talking about it's an issue with certain mailee content for me as well. see, even though i've loved ATLA since i was a kid and have been on the internet just as long, i used to always dismiss the concept of tyzula because i myself never appreciated azula enough and wasn't interested in ships with her (and because frankly i really hate how azula's voice actress sexualizes the ship). but on my current rewatch of the show i've started loving azula a lot more and now like to imagine her redeemed and happy, repairing her damaged relationships with her family and friends and maybe even falling in love. i've realized that part of the appeal of tyzula for me is that while, yes, azula's entire dynamic with both mai and ty lee is toxic and messy during the show, i don't personally think it always was. i think the three of them were genuine friends until things gradually got fucked up because of how ozai's treatment of azula fucked her up. and i think that if azula were to have a redemption arc, the 3 of them could salvage what once was and have a healthy friendship again.

a lot of mailee fans do not seem to agree with this, though, because i've seen several metas and headcanons that rely on the idea that the two of them were always just afraid of evil, nasty azula and that they can bond over how much they hate her. i am not here for that, and yeah, i'm also not here for the whole "this ship would never work because [insert character] just isn't ready for a relationship, i ship them x therapy!!" thing fandoms love to use as a way to demonize certain ships. mentally ill people can be in happy, loving relationships and they can go to therapy while in said relationships. they can even use therapy to--gasp--figure out how to keep their mental health issues from getting in the way of continuing to have healthy relationships! this happens in real life and i fully believe it can happen in a fantasy cartoon for children. also, i know some people use the comics to justify the idea that mai and ty lee have just always hated and been afraid of azula, because apparently it's implied in those that they were fake friends? but fuck the comics, they're OOC and horribly written lmao.

this ended up being a much longer reply than i initially intended but yeah, all this is to say that i 100% agree with you and thank you for sharing your thoughts, anon. sapphic ships and the female characters within them deserve just as much space in fandom as m/m and m/f ships get, to be fully explored and appreciated in their own right and even to sometimes be complicated and imperfect.

#asks #anonymous #oh man i'm sorry this is so long and i'm sorry to shippers if this appears in your tag #that's why i censored the names in my initial post #anti mailee #anti zukka #not... really?? more anti these ships fandoms than anything #but idk tagging it just in case

[ofpd]

person i have a parasocial relationship with reblogged my post boys

#actually nours post. whats the difference #i don't idolize them i think theyre very stupid in ways that i think are fascinating and also they made one very good post one time #but a post that is much more good to me than to other people. like it's a snarky thing abt my parasocial enemy on here #so this is to say that im so normal abt tusers #txt #i had them blocked for a while but i unblocked them on the offchance they made something for mailee week #which im so glad abt bc i wouldn't have seen that they reblogged the post if they were blocked #oh i forgot the best part. in the tags they said something negative about zukka shippers that i agree with #but also this person is so anti zukka in such stupid ways. so more conflict in my heart

[thegaybluejay]

Y’all-

Multishipper here, and wtf is up with all of the discourse in the “anti Kataang” “anti Zutara” “anti Zukka” tags???

Guys, these are all valid ships😭I ship all three of them (tho Zukka is my favorite)! I know the Kataang vs. Zutara war is as old as time, but it just feels especially toxic on here - I ended up filtering out these anti tags (after getting a very kind reply about this, I definitely am glad that people use them so that it can be filtered lol). Anyway, it’s so easy to just live and let live and let people ship what they like!! There’s nothing inherently wrong with any of these three ships and they’re all very fun to think about!

In my opinion, as long as you aren’t attacking other people based on their ship and you’re respectful of all of the characters, we’re totally good!!!

Anyway that’s all lmao. Chill shippers unite!!

#atla #avatar the last airbender #zukka #kataang #zutara #multishipper #just be nice y’all

[helloimamistake]

Someone idk: "So there's this one mlm gay ship that involved zuko got me reallyyyy interested"

Me: if it's zukka i don't really care to be honest

Someone idk: "Nah it's JetKo"

Me:

#atla #avatar the last airbender #jetko #jet x zuko #zuko x jet #atla zuko #atla jet #NOT anti zukka i just dgaf of that ship lol not hating #not gonna tag zukka cause their shippers would probably go after me #i don't ship jetko.. just peaked interested y'know? #like that ship is lowkey interesting to me ig #atla memes #jet

[prying-pandora666]

I can see why you voice Azula. Your manipulative and a liar just like her.

You say you have nothing against Zutara but you defend Aang anytime we have valid criticisms of his sexism and racism.

You are highly critical of Maiko and yet you claim to love both Zuko and Mai. If you loved them so much you’d want them to be happy together.

You reblog any Zuko ship that isn’t Maiko. Casually scrolling your blog I have seen you support Zukka, Jinko, Toko, and Zutara but that last one is obviously fake because you also criticize the pirate scene.

Meanwhile you hypocritically support Azula ships like Sokkla, TyZula, and Mailee. You don’t call out Zucest either just like your TERF icon Grey.

Your obvi a Kataang shipper in disguise. Zutarians have been fighting this battle since the beginning. We won’t fall for your Trojan horse.

Azula always lies.

I can see your entire post history behind your eyes. You were born with nothing. And you’ve had to troll, and plagiarize, and drama-post your way to the top.

But true power? The divine right to multi-ship? Is something you’re born with.

Your followers (if indeed you have any) may not know how this is going to turn out.

But I know.

And you know.

Those allegations against Grey Delisle were false. Katy Perry stans made them up because Grey called Katy out on voting for anti-gay politicians.

Whoops. Guess you’re not as informed as you thought.

Don’t flatter yourself.

You were never even a shitposter.

#Lucia says #this is the most unhinged ask I’ve ever gotten #I don’t even know what they’re mad about #Because I don’t take shipping seriously and enjoy multiple ships? #Because I love Aang and defend him against false interpretations? #Because I have been critical of some Zutara tropes #then my support of Zutara must be false? #Because I don’t like Maiko or how it was written that means I don’t like Zuko or Mai? #I never denied I like Kataang. I’m open about it. It’s not a secret. Lmao. #Masterful detective work. #Also you missed Azulaang and TySuki.