#anti-robert baratheon

[knightsickness]

stannis victim of misogyny untenably real

#being anti roberts claim pro stannis claim also really funny #asoiaf #a song of ice and fire #hotd #house of the dragon #stannis baratheon

[thewitchqueenofharrenhal]

I feeeeeel like people get so caught up on the idea of *romantic* love that everything Lyanna Stark adjacent devolves to how much Rhaegar or Robert must have desired her and her *gorgeous Helen of Troy beauty* -

When I think the love between Lyanna and her siblings is what makes me the most emotional 🥲. You get the purest, most tragic depictions of love and the *realest* depictions of *her* in reference to her brothers. The maiden that loved to ride horses, the maiden who liked to play fight with her brother, the maiden who cared that her father’s bannermen were treated with respect Vs the face that launched a civil war

For this reason I always feel so *disgruntled* when people try to compare Jon Snow foregoing everything to save Arya to Rhaegar & Lyanna when the clearest comparison is Ned & Lyanna and even Brandon to a degree.

Those two gave up their life and *cherished honor* not for romance, prophecy, or wealth but for their baby sister just like Jon 🥲

#asoiaf #lyanna stark #arya stark #ned stark #Brandon stark #anti rhaegar x lyanna #i guess #anti robert baratheon #anti rhaegar targaryen #anti Jon Arya shippers #Im not asking for a discussion btw #these are my feelings #You’re entitled to different feelings #so make your own post if you want to talk about Rhaegar and Jon being twins or whatever

[venusintheblindspots-blog]

the dehumanization of halaena to justify blood and cheese is giving me flashbacks of how y’all treated elia martell

#anti daemon targaryen #anti robert baratheon #anti rhaegar targaryen #anti fandom #halaena targaryen #elia martell #asoiaf #a song of ice and fire

[tell-them-the-north-remembers]

Don't get me wrong, I hate Robert Baratheon as much as the next person, he is awful. That being said, his hatred of Targs is SO real. Like every time someone so much as says the word Targaryen he is like "Fuck them all" and that might be the most relatable thing I have found in the book as I am re-reading AGOT again.

#this is obviously a joke btw so don't be offended #like i said i know robert is bad #but this is just too good to not talk about #really fuck them targs #they ruin everything #asoiaf #a song of ice and fire #valyrianscrolls #robert baratheon #anti house targaryen #house targaryen

[reignof-fyre]

In GRRM's world, its pretty fucking clear that usurpers never win. Maegor died without kids, Aegon, son of Alicent, and his children died (I do feel bad that his kids died, they were innocent), even Aemond died without issue [he was regent for a while], and Robert Baratheon died without legitimate issue and he usurped the Targaryens. You know which bloodline did survive? The Targaryens through Daenerys, so, you know, the author has put it right in our faces that these three men weren't supposed to have the throne in the first place, for all they sat on it.

Even the damn Blackfyre's died out in the male line, which is another glaring indicator that usurpers and would-be usurpers, don't live long even if they do "win" for a brief amount of time.

The rightful Kings and queen's bloodlines survived despite the usurpers best attempts to end them. Aegon the Uncrowned and Aenys' line survived through Jaehaerys, Rhaenyra's line survived through her sons and their descendants, and Aerys and Rhaegar's through Daenerys and Jon Snow.

In GRRM's world, usurpers don't get a happy ending and he's made that pretty clear so people who support Aegon the usurper and Robert Baratheon can cry that they were rightful Kings all they want when their direct bloodlines literally no longer exist save for bastards on Roberts side lmao

EDIT: the Baratheon male line, if Stannis doesn't have a son, is also pretty well done and finished. Stannis is the last legitimate male Baratheon left. His daughter Shireen is the last legitimate female Baratheon left. Even more proof for ya.

#anti greens #anti robert baratheon #anti aegon ii targaryen #pro blacks #pro rhaenyra targaryen #pro daemon targaryen #anti maegor the cruel #pro daenerys targaryen #daenerys targaryen deserves better #Rhaenyra Targaryen deserves better #daemon targaryen deserves better #anti alicent hightower #anti Alicent stans #anti aemond kinslayer #anti aemond one eye #anti aemon targaryen #usurpers #meta #hotd #fire and blood #asoiaf #got #agot #pro team black #anti team green stans #anti rhaenicent #r+l=j #pro rhaegar #pro lyanna

[laurellerual]

Asoiaf ship meme - Gendrya edition

Thanks @melrosing for the idea, and for unlocking a memory for me!

#arya stark #gendry #gendrya #arya x gendry #nymeria #nostalgia #melrosing #asoiaf #asoiaf fanart #anti got #house stark #house baratheon #ned stark #king robert #old!arya

[drakaripykiros130ac]

The manner in which Robert’s Rebellion is so praised disgusts me sometimes. Another classic mentality of “Let’s rid the world of the evil Targaryens”.

What the Andals mean by that is “Evil because…they’re not like us. And because they took away the chance for us to do whatever the f*ck we want.”

Aerys II was a mad king who certainly needed to be deposed. But you depose a king, not a dynasty (especially not a dynasty who has managed to do more for Westeros than the idiot Andals would ever acknowledge). Prince Rhaegar Targaryen was more than competent to take over and it was speculated that he was thinking of deposing his father as well.

But then the oh so brave Robert Baratheon, in his jealousy over the whole “Lyanna Stark situation”, gathered the necessary forces to depose a great dynasty only to…sit on his ass, drink and spend money on whores for his entire reign.

And what happened after he died? A succession crisis which brought a whole lot of misery to the Realm.

There hasn’t been a single good king since the Targaryen dynasty ended.

Robert Baratheon = lazy ass drunk

Joffrey Baratheon = psycho

Tommen Baratheon = naive and easily manipulated

So tell me again how “bad” the Targaryens are and what “good” the Andals did for the people. Because if we make a list of the pros and cons of having Targaryens rule the Realm vs having the Andals do it (or worse, go back to having seven independent Kingdoms), the Targaryens would win, no doubts about it.

#Classic example of Targaryens being discriminated against #The Targaryen dynasty was the best thing that ever happened to Westeros #Every single person in that Realm damn well knows it #house targaryen #pro house targaryen #canon asoiaf #asoiaf #asoiaf meta #got #game of thrones #rhaegar targaryen #rhaegar x lyanna #anti robert baratheon #anti joffrey baratheon #anti tommen baratheon

[lilith-91]

if Tywin is a scumbag with zero redeeming qualities it is his fault and his alone, not Rhaegar and Lyanna's 🤦‍♂️

He killed Elia and her children not because they were a threat, but because Rhaegar married her and not Cersei. It was a punishment.

Even Oberyn said it 😭 Why do you think he sent the Mountain to kill them? Why Ned is blaming only Tywin for their deaths? He hates that man with a burning passion.

it doesn't matter who started the rebellion, there are rulers in war. Tywin is a war criminal. if Robert was a better man he would have punished Tywin. But no, he called Rhaegar's children dragonspawn....

2024 and people are still giving these two a pass

#asoiaf #lyanna stark #rhaegar targaryen #elia martell #ned stark #game of thrones #anti tywin lannister #anti robert baratheon

[duchess-of-oldtown]

The thing about Stannis that people often forget that he was only 17 when Robert's Rebellion started. His parents are dead, his older brother who was meant to be in charge and head of the family has practically abandoned him with all the responsibilities of being Lord of Storm's End, being head of the family and raising Renly who was 3 or 4 at this time. He's seventeen and all of a sudden he has to make a choice between what he knows is the "right" thing to do which is staying loyal to the Crown or standing with his brother, who he no doubt loves despite his later declaration in ACOK. He's seventeen and there's an army outside the walls, everybody inside those walls has to rely on him when he knows that they really want Robert, he is in charge when doubtless he wants Robert back. He's the one who is meant to be in charge after all, the one with the experience, he's only 17. He has to watch Renly grow thinner and thinner, likely going without food himself just to give Renly an extra mouthful here and there. He has to see people turn on House Baratheon from inside the castle, probably knowing them all his life. He has to punish them or end up looking weak, he can't afford weakness. Not when there are hundreds depending on him. And Robert. He's depending on him too, afterall. Then comes the news that Rhaegar is dead, King's Landing is Robert's and he's King now. Weeks later, Stannis gets news that the Siege is about to be lifted. Doubtless he looks out over the walls and sees who has come to save him. It's not Robert. It's Ned Stark, who Robert went to war with, who Robert sees as a brother, far more than he's ever treated Stannis. And even then Stark has to run off for another duty, leaving Stannis to deal with Storm's Ends recovery. Then when things are settled, the Baratheons unite. Robert has a task for Stannis rather than a thank you or an apology. Stannis grits his teeth and gets on with it. He fails to capture the last Targaryens. He returns only to hear Robert's grumbles. And when comes time for dealing with succession, Renly- who is only a child - gets Storm's End. Stannis gets Dragonstone, the reminder of his failure not his achievements. It breaks Stannis's trust in Robert. In the following years, Robert becomes more and more of a disappointment. He beds Delena Florent at Stannis's wedding ruining the nuptials which are nothing more to Stannis than a political move no doubt recommended by Jon Arryn. He becomes more lazy, more distant, less and less of somebody to look up. To make matters worse, Renly who Stannis protected, starved for and practically raised, still looks up to Robert, pushing Stannis away. By AGOT, Stannis is isolated by his own House, trapped in a loveless marriage, weighed down by duties he never asked for, responsibilities that he has to shoulder because Robert won't, crushed under the knowledge of the Lannister Twincest and its repercussions and he's just been pushed aside again by Ned Stark, this stranger who Robert idolises so much. Its the last straw so he leaves. Months later, Robert is dead, Renly is at the heart of trouble and the Realm is bleeding again. Stannis declares himself King, not only because Melisandre wraps the shroud of messiah around him or he really feels any sort of higher calling or ambition. He does it because that's what he does, he cleaned up Robert's messes, he steps into Robert's shoes and does his duty. Just has he's been doing since he was just a child.

#Stannis Baratheon #Stannis has dealt with more shit than we will probably ever hear about #No wonder he's the way that he is #give him therapy #Maybe a hug #anti robert baratheon #asoiaf #pre asoiaf #Storm's End #Renly Baratheon #House Baratheon #robert baratheon #Grrm #Ned Stark #House Stark #The stormlands #Dragonstone #house baratheon of dragonstone #House Baratheon of storm's end #King Stannis #stannis the mannis #valyrianscrolls #asoiaf meta #Got meta

[swordsandarms]

When I think of how Lyanna is seemingly (mis)understood in spite of contradicting clues in the story, I think of how it happens with Elizabeth Bennet (Pride and Prejudice) and a similar typecasting as the one dimensional "spunky, bold" kind of girl.

Elizabeth has her flaws, but that is not being a stubborn girl screeching about love in spite of her family's precarious financial future - hence her own, too. Elizabeth pragmatically turns away from her infatuation with Wickham before it turns into more after one warning from her aunt that they would both be in ruin, and she considers accepting an offer from Colonel Fitzwilliam whom she doesn't love, but they have a comfortable dynamic that she thinks of as enough. On the other hand, she also rejects the man who would inherit Longbourn, Mr Collins - a marriage that could have saved her family - and even her eventual love interest, Mr Darcy - awfully wealthy. Which gains her the cliche characterisation.

But Elizabeth's problem is she is wary of marrying a man she cannot even respect - not necessarily love. It has impacted her since childhood due to the unfit marriage in character and intellect between her own parents, and she can understand the need to marry for financial stability, as long as she can have a reasonable mutually positive dynamic with her partner, but to not even hold respect for someone she'd be tied to for life is the ultimate misery to dive into.

Likewise, Lyanna doesn't even corner her brother about not being madly in love with the man they chose for her. She challenges his character, calmly and rationally - her argument is very much that love cannot make up for unequal character. She also brings up Mya Stone not because she is a hypocrite against bastards, but because she has come prepared with facts for argument - which is exactly as what Ned remembers it, a true fact which corners him in his side of the argument. He doesn't challenge Robert's deficiencies. He's the "naive" one saying love/a woman will change him. He's the oldest but not the mature one - he's the silly romantic blinded by a man's charisma and charm for most of his life. (In Lyanna's eyes, he would also be a man who proclaimed to bring an innocent KOLT to the Mad King himself for the sake of glory - fact which must also sink his character).

Because Jane Austen isn't George Martin and in a different genre, Elizabeth Bennet gets to marry a man who is rich, AND handsome, AND the love of her life - all ONLY after he gains her higher regard in his character and virtues. (Darcy himself isn't some cliche of a man changed by love as naive Ned would have life work. He has the spine to admit Elizabeth is right, and he initially wants to let her know that upon re-meeting her, and that all that is not what he thinks a man should be - what he wants to be - accountability, something so crucial, yet something that Robert Baratheon would only - and that barely - prove only on his death bed).

But Lyanna's unknown POV past Harrenhal completely erases the clues of Robert's lowly character being unveiled to her in person. She is portrayed as stuck in the "naive"/"hypocritical" role of the girl who once before Harrenhal has told her brother she for the time being had bad feelings about this man for a start (those having turned out to be good instincts long term, and at the least informed short term, mind you).

KOLT is not about Robert, and not even about Rhaegar, though I would say his actions bear more interest fandom wide. But it is about Lyanna. And while within that perspective it might also be about what Rhaegar's actions mean to HER POV, the fact that Robert is also there, that he would have at this point in time her attention as the man chosen for her, the few mentions of what she must be seeing while to the reader they're ignored or dismissed - simply because we're narratively PAST that, and the next thing we know of Lyanna is that she's PAST HIM.

But Robert is there, and Lyanna is thrown in his company. Howland doesn't care - Lyanna is the hero in this defining episode of his life. HE's just the Storm Lord who is getting drunk and shouting about giving the KOLT to the mad King himself. But somewhere Lyanna is watching. The debauched lifestyle. The man who puts his own pride and potential for glory ahead of an innocent's wellbeing. The man who would soon be "just rolling in for a fight" in a war that defined a continent because life to him is a party and a game.

But women cannot be individuals with a dignity of their own. If they have any consciousness they better be fighting the patriarchy in the trenches or they are spunky selfish girls wanting shallow things instead of sacrificing for the family's wealth and status. There's no in between.

#asoiaf #lyanna stark #elizabeth bennet #rhaegar targaryen #anti robert baratheon

[katerina-q]

Oh so this is the interview that made Robert's stans crazy? Sorry folks, but grrm is right.

Robert was just a warmonger who was bitter about losing a "girlfriend". He only cared about himself and his ego.

Ah, i love how grrm is not blaming Rhaegar and Lyanna for the war lol

#asoiaf #rhaegar targaryen #ned stark #lyanna stark #house stark #game of thrones #anti robert baratheon

[thewitchqueenofharrenhal]

Girl fuck off, Robert literally condoned and rewarded the murders of Elia and her children and call their corpses "dragonspaw".

This may be a new ability for you but I can actually think about multiple things at once and understand that various things can be true at once. Rhaegar, Bobby B, Tywin, Aerys can all eat shit and DID. Love that Elia Voodoo, seethe harder weirdo 🫵😌

#anon #anti rhaegar targaryen #anti robert baratheon

[lizzie-queenofmeigas]

I swear every time I see someon call Lyanna "selfish" for not wanting to marry a man who she doesn't like and be maritally raped the rest of her life, my blood boils.

Seriously, what is wrong with you people?

#lyanna stark #a song of ice and fire #asoiaf meta #asoiaf fandom #fandom misogyny #asoiaf #anti robert baratheon

[viktoriakosci666]

Wise words from an even Wiser Man -

The disrespect -

#anti im a queen/king #got #game of thrones #tommen baratheon #cersei lannister #stannis baratheon #robert baratheon #viserys iii targaryen #daenerys stormborn #margaery tyrell #hotd #house of the dragon #alicent hightower #aemond targaryen #helaena targaryen #anti daemon targaryen #anti rhaenyra targaryen #anti joffrey baratheon #tywin should be glad hes dead or he would have a massive headache

[dreamfyre-beautiful]

Honestly, I wanna know more about all of the Gods of asoiaf universe. Each one is so unique and interesting.

Even the 7 are debated if they are all actually 7 deities or 7 aspects of one God, that’s so interesting and adds so much world building to the world.

I wanna know more about the religions on pentos and how their religion affects their daily lives. Do some people not eat fish because of their Gods? So some only eat seafood? There’s so much to explore there!!

#house of the dragon #hotd #game of thrones #alicent hightower #got #hotd discourse #anti targaryen #got discourse #got religion #hotd religion #religion #jon snow #rob stark #robert baratheon #ned stark #arya stark #sansa stark #pentos #westeros

[pessimisticpigeonsworld]

aegon always being manipulated by his grandfather and mother, but of course... he would be a better king lol try saying that otto thinks aegon is an incompetent drunk fool and who wants him to just sit his ass on the throne but he's the one who's going to rule for a TG stans

Aegon is the perfect example for how the ASOIAF fandom's standards for men are infinitely lower than those for women. Aegon, the Baratheon brothers, Aemond, and Jamie Lannister are all men who are just shitty people, yet the fandom is obsessed with defending them.

It's always excusable for a man to do something awful, even rape multiple people, as long as they're sometimes funny, are attractive, or do a few nice things. Women, meanwhile, are hated for any mistake if they stray too far from the idea of a "proper woman". Arya, Daenerys, Rhaenyra, Catelyn, and Cersei are turned from being complex characters, some of whom have done awful things, into one-dimensional demons.

The fans who become TG stans have always been sexist in one way or another, HoTD just gives them an excuse to be more open about it. Those who defend and love Aegon do the same for Robert Baratheon. Both men are abusive to their wives, are rapists, have an unknown number of bastards (since TG is obsessed with Rhaenyra's), and are bad rulers. Yet they are seen as superior to the women around them (especially the women who oppose them) simply because they are men.

#rhaenyra targaryen #team black #anti team green #house of the dragon #asoiaf #anti aegon ii targaryen #anti robert baratheon #anti team green stans #game of thrones