bob's burgers is like the opposite of those cartoon network or disney shows that are explictly written for kids but have a few darker scenes so everyone is like "omg there's no way this was meant for kids!!!1!!1" in that its an Adult animated sitcom on a network for adults and airs alongside adult tv shows like the simpsons and family guy but people keep trying to say it's a family-friendly show and totally made for kids bcuz it doesn't have excessive shock humor or swearing or gore. u can tell the intended audience isn't children bcuz they exclusively make pop culture references to middle aged dad movies from the 80s and 90s
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modern productions of cats stop age-ing down the characters challenge. let jelly be older let jenny be older let skimble be older. and not even casting wise because that is another discussion entireely i think. just how the characters get played they most seem to be so much younger. even munkustrap skews SO young lately and hes not even an old character
One of my IRL friends once said that Munkustrap is a 40 year old man and I have never been able to read him as anything else, and tbh that tracks. Hard agree. Munkustrap being anything but in his thirties or more does not compute to me. Late twenties if I am being *really* generous. The vocal maturity alone is already in this...really weird young tenor high spot that I don’t like - what I’m going to call the “theatre kid” belt voice fresh outta school and it stayed that way - the 2016 Revival, if you will.
I don’t know, maybe it’s just me.
I will say I don’t think we can fully separate the conversation of the casting age of the performers from this overall point - 20 year-olds really shouldn’t be playing individuals who are meant to be 50 plus when the performance world already has so few roles for them/fucks them over by casting younger people in age makeup when they do. Like, no, Old Deuteronomy shouldn’t be 26 in 2022. Doesn’t matter how good they are - they’ll still be good in fifteen years. Neither should Gus. Neither should Grizabella. That should be the baseline standard on its own. With the other cats that are perhaps meant to be on the older side (though again, this is more up to interpretation in, say, Skimble’s case but tbh it has no reason to be), you can get moreso away from stricter limitation and “act” a bit older and cast more vocally mature individuals, but like...30+ year old performers exist. Their abilities don’t suddenly disappear after they turn 40. They don’t stop existing after 50. If they’re worried about them keeping up or their ability to perform in something demanding like CATS up to 9-10 times a week, cast multiples - Korean and Japanese theatre does this all the time (what was that? more money? that sounds like a production company problem to me).
But that’s just my opinion.
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ffs as if some of y’all are seriously expecting a TWELVE year old to wear contacts for an entire show production ?? when they can dry up ur eyes, mess up ur vision, and in general ppl should avoid putting things in their eyes if they can avoid it? shame on you.
same with bleaching her hair/dyeing walker’s hair. hair dye damages hair. tom felton’s hair was damaged from being malfoy. even if we had a blonde actress, kids rarely stay blonde through puberty, so it would likely not last long and then we’d have the same issue. walker doesn’t have black hair. suck it up. yall really are putting the visual appearance of book characters (who were described maybe twice in the books) over the comfort of real human children.
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Hey do you remember that weird Alicorn s3x scene in book 4? What even was that bro
I do remember it Nonsie. Page 460 of Neverseen (at least in the paperback edition). For anyone who doesn't remember, please allow me to refresh your memory:
More memories flooded Sophie's head of Silveny's life at the Sanctuary--everything clean and comfortable and cared for.
Plenty of food.
Plenty to do.
Flying with Greyfell. Chasing Greyfell. Playing with Greyfell.
Wait--that wasn't playing….
"Gah!" Sophie said, shoving the last image out of her mind. TMI, SIlveny. Too. Much. Information!
She knew it was supposed to be a natural, beautiful thing. But ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.
Can't believe sex is canon in the kotlcverse. And the next day when she broke the news to her friends and grumbled about how "She showed me..." they all knew what she was talking about and the phrase alicorn baby-making was mentioned. It is canon that the kotlcrew know about sex.
Which is like...you know what? You're right! Kids that age generally do know about sex and babymaking. I know I did. I know my sister does. That's also probably how all conversations about sex went outside of educational classes where some would be more professional, so Shannon really got the mood of the conversation right.
It's just also very...surprising? You don't expect that kind of thing to be brought up in a series about a human-raised elf girl trying to defeat an arson-loving evil rebel organization. Especially with the age range. My guess here is that it's mentioned vaguely enough that she can get away with it for the amusement of older readers who have the same reaction or those that understand while it flies over the youngest readers' heads. And also it's tame enough that it doesn't cause publishing problems. I mean all it really says is "that's not playing" and "it's natural and beautiful but also eww" and "babymaking."
It does also seem to be a little bit of a trend that everything surrounding babies and having them is more mentioned. We know about Emma Foster's fertility issues and her miscarriages, we know about Trolls giving birth at a really early stage and how they're put in hives, we know elves' belly buttons turn pink and pop out when they get pregnant and that they feel no pain at birth, and we've got all the alicorn pregnancy things that even has a whole birth scene. It just seems to be a part of the worldbuilding that Shannon doesn't skip over where other authors might! Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, I think it's just off-putting for all of us who are so used to those kinds of things being skipped over and danced around.
Because Sophie was right! Sex is natural and can be beautiful and it is how you make babies. And kids the kotlcrew's age know that--I don't know about you, but it was around age 9 that my schools really started teaching sex ed, so I'm betting even a lot of the youngest audiences for kotlc have some knowledge on the subject. Not true for everyone, but true for some. It's not taboo and it shouldn't be demonized because sex ed and the normalization is a good thing!
However it can still be off-putting or uncomfortable, and that's okay. No one is required to be comfortable with the topic. Some people are going to be weirder out and skip over that conversation because as natural as sex is, not everyone likes talking about it.
I suppose my conclusion from all of this is, you're right it is kinda weird! The very clearly implied references to sex is unusual in a series like this and off-putting to a lot of people. But it's also a normal topic that people are aware of and sex isn't this inherently evil thing, so I don't think it's bad and needs to be removed. It's different than what we've all grown to expect, but it's also brief enough that discomfort is quickly moved past while still making the topic normal, you know?
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So I’ve seen styling criticism of New Jeans floating around Stan twitter of late, and was curious what your thoughts are since I don’t particularly trust twitter 😅
Essentially, the internet seems to not love their outfits from Kcon japan and from I believe the fact music awards? Whatever recent awards show they went to.
To be fair, the outfits are a statement, and aren’t in line with what anyone else is currently wearing so I can see why people have feelings on them. But personally, while I wouldn’t wear them myself, I kind of love them? I think young people today who didn’t live through the so called Y2K era don’t realize just how insane and unflattering so much of the fashion was. It was like kitsch threw up everywhere sometimes, and bigger and more obvious was always better. So honestly, I kind of think that, among kpop styling, these outfits are truer to the early 00s than most of the other popular stuff. But I recognize that the trend these days is to be “aesthetic”, probably since everything ends up online for immediate and widespread consumption in a way that wasn’t possible 20 years ago, so real 00s stuff is never gonna fit that aesthetic mold.
That’s my theory at least, but I’m curious what your thoughts are!
..................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................why are people mad at these. this is literally just what teenagers wore in 2005. well i know why people are mad at these and that's because they're all young adults who have never known a world where things were imperfect and weird because we weren't living under the panopticon of social media watching our every move. i was literally just talking to someone about how i used to cut thumbholes in all of my sweater sleeves in middle school and for like probably three or four years i wore like ten non-matching necklaces at all times. the real y2k was ugly as hell and we should be going back to that! everything now is so aestheticized and optimized for being the most attractive and it all has to be packaged perfectly for getting the most likes on these apps bc that's how young kids are getting their validation. things can't be ugly in their world because the parameters of what 'beautiful' is have closed in around them without them even knowing any different, so they won't accept anything even a little bit ''''experimental'''' from people they see as the pinnacles of that perfect manicured aesthetic because they don't know how to.
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