#arya and dany

[whitedragonwolf4961]

Women’s Day ASOIAF

A day late but it’s okay! Happy International Women’s Day! And here are my two favorite ladies (also my favorite characters alongside Jon) from ASOIAF! The amazing Daenerys Targaryen and incredible Arya Stark! These two are some of the most amazing and proactive female characters I’ve ever seen! In a world where many of those in power or have privileged backgrounds, these two are the kindest and most compassionate characters and they view common people as their equals and as worthy of protecting. They are also two of the most intelligent and perceptive characters (Arya escaped Harrenhal with her own cleverness and wits and Dany proved her strategic skills when she came up with her own strategies for taking Yunkai and Mereen). Now neither of them is perfect, they are both gray characters with their flaws (like their insecurities regarding themselves and how their youth means they have some inexperience) but they are both willing to learn and adapt. I’m proud to be a fan of these two amazing women! And I hope GRRM has a great ending in mind for them. Also hope to see them meet and then become besties! Happy Women’s Day!

#daenerys targaryen #arya stark #book daenerys #book arya stark #arya and dany #the two best ladies #asoiaf

[winterprince601]

"he was never unfaithful to robert, was he?" - jaime, acok

ha. ha ha ha. the irony of this line is incredible. what's so striking to me is how one dimensional the realm's understanding of eddard stark as an honourable man is - honour itself is an incredibly complicated and unattainable ideal in asoiaf and i think ned as the stereotypical emblem of it encompasses many of the reasons why. because whilst he absolutely does consider acting in a conventionally honourable way important, he always prioritises those he loves. he defended cat's actions as his own without a second thought when she arrested tyrion. his main priority in king's landing is to see his daughters safe, not to secure the succession. lyanna is the prime example: jon's existence is not the result of the lapse of honourable ned stark, it was honourable ned stark choosing his love for his sister over his duty to his king. that and his personal ethical belief that the political murder of a child is never morally acceptable.

no one in the realm has the insight into his personality we get in the first book. none of his children, vitally, understand that he would always prioritise their safety over any honourable scruples. all of the starklings question what their honourable father would think of their actions - killing in self-defence, marrying jeyne westerling, sleeping with ygritte to name a few examples - without recognising that ned's true first priority was always his family's safety.

in fact, he betrayed robert far more than he ever betrayed cat and he would have betrayed honour for his family's safety every time.

#eddard stark #ned stark #i count dany and ned's resistance to her assassination as a betrayal as well btw #because not only was this a moment in which her killing could be contrived as honourable and ned said no thanks acc #but he was absolutely projecting his love for jon onto her #he could not stand by if it was his innocent son/nephew #asoiaf #a song of ice and feels #jon snow #arya stark #house stark #asoiaf meta #catelyn stark #robb stark #catelyn tully #jaime lannister #acok #robert baratheon #i could write a whole post on honour in got alone #and one day i probably will #jon is particularly afflicted with oh god what would my dad say #bestie if you have to sleep with ygritte and play turncloak to survive HE WOULD WANT YOU TO SURVIVE #he didn't make that promise to fold over some thousand year old irrelevant vow

[melrosing]

starks + theon DONE

more here

#catelyn stark #eddard stark #rickon stark #theon greyjoy #robb stark #jon snow #sansa stark #bran stark #arya stark #asoiaf #the ones I definitely want to do are the Lannisters + Dany and if I’m not bored by then I’ll do more #but not gonna turn it into a video until I feel done lol #anyway this was fun lol idk why im making it my mission to revive 2008 cringe in 2024 asoiaf fandom tho #melrosing art #asoiaf caramelldansen thing

[laurellerual]

do you take requests from anons? i really love your style and would like to see more of arya and dany together! maybe riding or picking flowers or just chatting, anything really. it's okay if you ignore it though, thank you anyway! have a nice day :)

A dream of spring :)

#arya stark #daenerys targaryen #asoiaf #asoiaf fanart #house stark #house targaryen #dothraki #horsegirls!! #arya x dany

[shieldofmen]

A local child and his lovable companion

#rickon stark #shaggy dog #shaggy dog the direwolf #asoiaf #asoiaf fanart #asoiaf art #need all the ‘rickon stark is going to die’ truthers to leave #he’s making it to the end i dont care #my dany and arya drawings have some company besides my 30 jon drawings lol

[the-daily-dreamer]

Reminder that if your feminism revolves around propping up women that partake in traditionally masculine activities/roles and shitting on or even hating women who embody traditionally feminine roles and enjoy feminine activities you’re not really a feminist.

It sets the precedent that women are only valuable and valid if they have traditionally masculine traits, which feeds a narrative that masculine traits are better simply because they are associated with men who are the ideal. It perpetuates the idea that things that are feminine and traditionally associated with women are in fact inferior to men/masculinity and should be looked down upon and belittled.

And, it alienates so many individuals that feel more comfortable in femininity, regardless of gender identity.

I think people in the ASOIAF fandom really need to learn this because feminine characters are so despised on the basis that they are not “better” women. Simply because they don’t embody traditionally masculine things like conquering or fighting.

Much of the hate comes from stans that love characters like Rhaenyra, Daenerys, and Arya (and do not get me wrong I love Arya), who are women and girls that are in positions that allow for more traditionally masculine behaviors and tomboyishness. And they will say incredibly sexist things about how the other women in media are inferior and directly contrast these women to their faves negatively by pointing out that they’re “too weak” or “subservient”. They reduce femininity to weakness and bowing to patriarchy instead of considering that some people have a different, more feminine nature. And that is OK! Just because a woman isn’t wielding a sword or fighting on the front lines or pursuing leadership roles in masculine ways (because historically women exacted and sought power in different ways than men) doesn’t mean they aren’t valuable and strong characters. Do not use feminine characters as a negative comparison to show how “feminist” and great your fave is. Because it’s just so blatantly sexist.

Don’t fall into the trap of reinforcing patriarchal rhetoric!!! Don’t reinforce narratives that traditional masculinity is superior to femininity!! Don’t belittle feminine activities and act as if they aren’t valuable!!! Girbosses are great but so are gentlewomen.

#This may not make total sense but I hope the point gets across anyways #Masculinity is not superior to femininity #And if you actively say that your female faves that are masculine are better than feminine characters… #You feed the narrative that those behaviors are inherently better simply because they are associated with MEN #anti team black #anti targaryen #anti rhaenyra #anti rhaenyra targaryen #anti daenerys targaryen #anti daenerys #anti Arya stans #anti dany stans #anti rhaenyra stans #anti got fandom #anti hotd fandom #team black’s feminism is insanity #feminism

[fromtheseventhhell]

I think female characters who have experienced extreme violence should get to hold anger in their heart without it being seen as a moral failing

#hate all the /let female characters be kind/ as though female characters are ever allowed to be rightfully angry #without being treated like psychopaths or irreparably broken #wouldn't it be great if female characters could just exist without being judged by unfair sexist standards 😃 #this definitely isn't about Dany Arya and Ellie in particular

[visenyaism]

Eh, I don't think it's really a problem to say that Sansa and Dany will probably have opposing political goals and might not be braiding each others hair. One of them wants to rule the 7 kingdoms, the other one will want the north to be independent. The idea that woman should just get along because they're woman and they've had similar live experiences is kinda reductive and it wouldn't be said about them if they were men. This is asoiaf, not a slumber party. People aren't gonna get along because some fans want them to.

i was joking earlier but i do disagree with a lot of this. i think saying that dany and sansa’s goals are ruling the seven kingdoms versus northern independence so they are definitely going to oppose each other is just missing the point. the reason daenerys is still in essos after five books is because her actual goal, the thing she wants to accomplish and the thing that motivates her, isn’t ruling westeros. what dany really wants is to find a home for herself, and to make the world a better and kinder place for everyone who had to grow up living in fear with no freedom like she did. she’s been told her entire life that the only way to accomplish that goal is to conquer and rule the seven kingdoms, but it’s not the only way, because she’s still doing all of that to some extent in mereen.

likewise, sansa doesn’t even express any sort of political inclinations towards northern independence in the books. what SHE wants is to go home as herself, and also for the world to be a better and kinder place. obviously she’s not doing the whole breaker of chains worldwide liberation thing dany is (sansa does not have the lived experience of growing up on the streets) but she very clearly does also have this sense of empathy and concern for the people she meets who are downtrodden by the political system.

obviously their goals aren’t unilaterally the same but they do clearly align with each other. they have the same ideas about what power should be used for: it’s not having it for power’s sake but to improve the lives of the people you rule over, loving them and having them love you back. they’re both idealists, which gets dismissed as teenage-girl naivety by the gross older men in their lives, but it’s very real and there. saying they’re entirely oppositional is just wrong

#asoiaf #tbh i think dany and jon are going to fight more politically than dany and sansa #before anyone gets in the trenches about this: arya is ALSO very similar to dany AND sansa in different ways. this is good writing

[nightswatchdisbandmentera]

I really don’t think we should be treating morality as a linear thing in ASOIAF because what often happens is that we start to stray from the actual conversations that we need to be having regarding the depths of making a moral choice and even the circumstances involved. To try and blankly paint any one character as the “most morally good” isn’t really taking us anywhere. And it certainly isn’t helpful when people in this fandom want to try and prove that characters are “grey” but not moral (what does that even mean??) because they did one “bad” thing. If ASOIAF stans were to have their way, then:

Jon is not a morally good person because he threatened Gilly

Dany cannot be considered to be compassionate because she sanctioned torture against the wine seller’s daughters

Arya cant be good because she has killed people

and so on, and so on….

But this is such a draining, and oft times frustrating, conversation to have because you see just how shallow the above listed examples are? Readers are listing only singular instances across a narrative that spans thousand and thousands of pages, and there’s absolutely no context involved. Why did Jon threaten Gilly? Why did Dany resort to torture and at one point did she do it? Who did Arya kill and why? And why do those singular instances negate everything else in their arcs?

What usually happens when we have the 12847647282th unnecessary conversation about who is the “most good” character in ASOIAF is that we start getting blanket statements with no elaboration. And the only people ever considered are Ned, Brienne, and Davos, and sometimes the children like Shireen or Tommen. Mind you, Ned and Davos are not perfect or without their own faults either; much has been said about Ned’s abilities as a father and it’s implied that Davos was not entirely faithful to his wife. And based on her current arc, Brienne will surely have to make morally tough choices regarding oaths and knightly honor. Plus theres the irony of including literal children when they have not been put in situations where they actually have to make morally difficult choices and live with the consequences.

ASOIAF shows us that people who are capable of incredible kindness and compassion are also capable of doing unpleasant things.

Jon threatened Gilly….because he was trying to save another child whom he believed to be at risk of human sacrifice(!!) and was stuck between a rock and a hard place. But why does that singular instance negate the fact that his arc has been about him standing up for the “lesser than”? Why does that negate the fact that he stood up for Sam against a superior when there was nothing to gain for him? Why does it negate the fact that he went out of his way to equip Arya in a way that society would have deemed inappropriate? Why does it negate the fact that he dedicated the entirety of his time as Lord Commander to fight an institution that had upheld racism/xenophobia for millennia? Why should we filter out all those moments of kindness, compassion, and deep empathy that Jon has even without him thinking?

Dany sanctioned torture….but she was trying to solve the murder of an innocent victim AND this brought her no joy. But why does that negate the fact that when she gained unimaginable power, she could’ve high tailed to Westeros to use it to her benefit and become queen, but instead chose to stay in Essos where she has no personal responsibility just so she could fight the institutional evil that is slavery? Why does it negate Dany who went to personally treat plague victims at great risk to herself?

Arya has killed some….but it’s in self defense or in defense of others who are disenfranchised. But why does this negate that she is one of the few people in the series how goes out of her way to show kindness and friendship to those who are not as economically or politically advantaged as she is (e.g., Mycah)? Why does it negate that she took fellow slaves under her protection when she herself had little power to fight for her own survival at Harrenhall? Why does it negate that when she saw those caged soldiers whom she was angry with for their actions, instead of leaving them to die instead offered them the only kindness she could at the moment: a drink of water?

Trying to have arguments about morality but stripping everything down to ‘x character did y bad thing (regardless of context) and that’s why they can’t be good’ is, to be blunt, ridiculous. And it isn’t a particularly interesting way to engage with the text. Character journeys, especially well written ones, are rarely ever in a straight line. There’s amazing highs and terrible lows. GRRM gives us so many characters like Jon, Dany, Arya, Sansa, Ned, etc. who even in their lows, have gleams of compassion and exceptional kindness. It doesn’t do anyone any good to filter those moments out to make the books more digestible; and I’m being a little generous here, because so many readers have a very shallow level of engagement with the series and it shows in conversation. And we also shouldn’t pit these characters unfairly against those who have never been in similarly difficult situations that required them to make hard choices. Because when we do, we start to completely miss the point all together.

#asoiaf #valyrianscrolls #yeah this came out of a particular thread on Reddit and I was just like….🫠 those people can’t be serious fjsnsnssjsb #trying to argue that jon is not a good person because he *checks notes* slept with ygritte and broke his nw vows #yeah let’s crucify a FIFTEEN YEAR OLD for not conforming to absolutely ridiculous norms that have absolutely no bearing to his true purpose #asoiaf stans when a literal child isn’t happy about dumb rules set by a penal colony that’s akin to indentured servitude: #surprised pikachu face #and the audacity to say garlan Tyrell is a better person that Jon or Dany or arya #what books are yall reading???? #what has he ever done that’s remotely comparable to these people that proves he is the height of honor or selflessness?? #nothing #we know literally nothing about this guy I’m- #tagging #jon snow #daenerys targaryen #arya stark #because it’s relevant in context

[montyluvsjasper]

"It's such bad writing (insert stark) didn't like with Dany!!"

Yeah if you came to my house treating my brother like a play toy, threatened someone and acted like you're "doing me favor" when in fact this is the only time the army of the dead will be small enough to defeat.

I'm not sure I'd fall at your feet and worship you as a liberator in a country my families spilt blood and sacrifice freed.

#pro house stark #arya stark #sansa stark #jon snow #pro jon snow #pro sansa stark #no I will not be tagging dany in this #anti house targaryen #just for tumblr savior or whatever you kids use to block your tags now a days #i assume most people who'd like dany like that would also have that tag blocked #but i really hate putting hate in her tags

[wodania]

me talking about the majority of asoiaf characters: THAT IS A CHILD!!! AN INFANT!!! A FETUS!!!

#jon would not be chiseled with a beautiful beard he has pimples and a high pitched voice!!! #sansa is not a seductress witch who put womens rights back 20 years she is barely 13!!! #arya is not a badass sexy girlboss in armour she is a scrawny little creature who does wolf roleplay in the school yard #dany runs a warrior cats blog! #robb is constantly mistaken for being 20 and he must correct the person with a red face and say that no he is actually 15! #beric is struggling through college he has an exam next week but he is also scheduled to play the role of god at the same time! #bran doesn’t know how to count past 100

[wallboys]

will be forever angry at the hbo show for giving lady stoneheart’s vengeance to stealthkiller arya, for leaving out cersei lannister’s well-rounded volatility in lieu of power-hungry dany, for replacing barbrey dustin’s manipulation and scheming with ice-queen-girlboss sansa. they took away our milfs… they took away our milfs and replaced them with YA girlies.

#DIE. #asoiaf #anti got #arya stark #lady stoneheart #cersei lannister #dany stormborn #barbrey dustin #sansa stark

[a-chaotic-dumbass]

my inner demon trying to convince me to only read sansa's jaime's davos's and catelyn's chapters in asos

#damn cant even be paid to be interested in whatever dany is up to on the other end of the world. sorry #bran is ok and arya is mid. i am profoundly bored by nearly every chapter she has had so far aside from that one where she was dressed as #a proper lady in a castle when traveling w the brave companions. i like tom i like genry i like the rest of em but baby i do NOT care for #the guy they're chasing. #asoiaf #i forgot abt jon and sam too🤐 jon is vv fun and i liked sam's One chapter #valyrianscrolls #a storm of swords #asos #a song of ice and fire #tyrion's chapters r also good. any tywin content is good actually #unfortunately i am too autistic to actually skip any of the chapters. alas #jaime lannister #sansa stark #davos seaworth #catelyn tully #catelyn stark

[arthmis]

i'm currently reading asoiaf so. medieval fantasy people as i've been imagining them :-)

#asoiaf #a song of ice and fire #valyrianscrolls #SIGH and now tagging these people.. #jon snow #lyanna stark #sansa stark #arya stark #cersei lannister #jaime lannister #tyrion lannister #and the last girl is an original character. i thought she looked cute so i left her in c: #dedicating the theon to dany <3 #art #obviously jon & lyanna for resemblance. ik the show made her his canon mom but i also believe it.. in a book way <3

[daenerystargaryen06]

Can antis like, keep away from Daenerys please?

I'm so tired of seeing people writing out crap that Daenerys will be the villain, Jon is better, she is mad, calling her Danielle, yada yada. Just say you don't like her (because she is ultimately better than your fave) and go.

I'm also tired of seeing people giving the Starks (especially Sansa) her traits. I've seen edits of people making Sansa a Targ, people talking about how she'll get Daenerys' dragons, that Jon will kill Dany for her, etc.

Just keep Daenerys' name out of your mouth if you hate her and can't stand that she is strong, independent, and has an amazing character arc. A majority of Daenerys fans don't like other asoiaf characters, but you hardly see any of them going on a tangent about how much they hate that character. Usually it's us Dany fans defending anti hate against Dany and also defending antis hate on Dany to prop up their own fave (mainly Sansa).

I heavily have a high disdain for show!Sansa (she's alright in the books, not my fave but she's much better compared to the garbage that is her show character). But I don't go out of my way to hate on her, diss her character, write pointless metas about her going "mad", "evil", or "dark". Nor do I see any other Dany fan doing so. We don't hate on Sansa to prop up Dany. We don't give Dany character traits of other characters/Sansa. We don't speculate about how she'll die or get killed or manipulated by another man. It's disgusting.

It's also disgusting seeing anti hate towards Arya. Arya is my second favorite female character in asoiaf. She isn't ugly, she isn't crazy or some violent murderer, she isn't going to be permanently warged into Nymeria and become Sansa's; nor is she going to become Sansa's assigned assassin to kill all her enemies while Sansa and Jon live in lala land. It's not going to happen.

It is so disgusting how a vast majority of Arya and Dany fans don't do half the things their antis/Sansa stans do, yet they go out of their way to bash these wonderful characters to prop up their own fave or to get them out of the way for Sansa or Jon (mainly Jon fans who bash Daenerys to prop Jon up and cheer Jon for killing her).

We can talk about our faves without bashing another character, making metas about them that don't even follow the text, and just being outright nasty.

Do better. Just keep away from Daenerys and Arya.

#daenerys targeryan #daenerys defence squad #daenerys stormborn #daenerys appreciation #daenerys targaryen #mother of dragons #pro daenerys targaryen #breaker of chains #khaleesi #team daenerys #arya stark #anti show sansa #anti sansa stans #anti jonsa #mad about Dany and Arya being better #keep their names out of your mouth if you hate them and move on #fandom discourse

[swordsandarms]

There's nothing more self-inserting in this fandom than the people who actually hate Rhaegar Targaryen (and sometimes by extension Lyanna and Daenerys and other Targaryens).

But with Rhaegar it's very peculiar. With either Rhaegar positive or neutral fans, you can discuss things like connections he has with characters in actual canon, by actually canon references, that give him some depth whatsoever in turn. Love RxL shippers with all the actually newer clues highlighted compared to your typical "Jon's parentage" checklists because it gives more character interiority. Love the Jon and Dany fans who've given more attention to the connections clearly drawn on purpose by the author that are also doing that.

But people who outright hate this tertiary character? The emotionally driven rants as if this man was their own boyfriend or father and wronged them specifically and that's all the focus of it? Only ever writing in "depth" about him in scenarios that are clearly made up and can only be explained as projection from some baggage none of us trying to read some book are interested in? Very odd behaviour.

#asoiaf #lyanna stark #rhaegar targaryen #jon snow #it's also how you know #people like me come and go onto the topic #write something when there's something to add to whatever actually useful discussion there is in that sense #but those people #they just keep re-popping up to screech a variation of the same enraged broken record statement #and just keep doing that over the years #never getting over it #like idk #you've clearly got something to unpack #but it's definitely not about this small fantasy character #and as I said also with Dany or Jon or Arya or Lyanna etc #there's usual the self inserting people in Sansa or Catelyn or such #with veeeeeery weird opinions about things in general (aka women or children) and an opinion about the character they self insert in #that have nothing to do with their canon depiction most of time #or only being interested in that side of it they self insert in if that makes sense #so like Sansa is somehow a representative of girl next door suddenly cause she's not relevant to magic in a magic book #or Catelyn is some ever suffering wife who needs to feel validated in taking out her frustrations as some stressed out #21st century local mother with a shitty husband and stressed by taking care of children on her own #like hm #I see you and what you're doing but also #I don't care #I'm here for a book not for your personal shit