#as tho gay and ace can't coexist as identities

[kidcooper02]

thought i'd give my two cents (tho i could ALSO be fucking up lol): the fact show!Bart is BASICALLY canonically gay makes headcanoning him as grey/demi feel kinda off to me? i totally get where you're coming from with comic!Bart! it just feels a little weird with the show version because it's like. changing an established sexuality? it's different from say, headcanoning he's a trans guy. that doesn't change him BEING gay. but being gay AND grey/demi is a different orientation from just being gay

Thank you for your input! I totally understand where you're coming from! I was using this artist I follow who identifies as both a lesbian and within the gray romantic spectrum, so I knew it was possible to identify with both.

But its not about if its possible or not, its about respecting the character's intended identity. So you're right! I would never want to take away the significance of yja Bart being gay, I absolutely love that for him and can't wait to see more be actually done with it.

The nature of superheroes is that there's open interpretation based on different media, so yja Bart is gay and comic Bart is in the ace spectrum, and they can coexist.

I want to use what you've added and say rather than describing Bart as gay AND gray/demi, I'll stick with merely as his behavior when it comes to romance is complicated. From an outside POV, its easy to liken it to gray/demi, but that's not the case (as least as far as I should be able to say in my position since I'm not a gay man nor gray/demi, obviously if you're either of those you're free to your own interpretation this is just how I'm personally approaching it)

Yja Bart is gay, point blank period, thank you so much for your input!

(Oh side tangent if anyone is interested, its like how people see Sonic the hedgehog is which I personally hc him as bi but theres a lot of evidence in game that shows him being gray/demi! Sonic and Bart are similar in attitude so I think I think about them in a similar way. Only difference is Sonic has no canonical sexuality so this conversation adds nothing to Bart, I just think its neat that if I had a nickel for every time a speedster showed gray/demi tendencies, I'd have 2 nickels!)

#thank you again for your input! #gay bart is too important i dont want to fuck that up 🙏 #dc #young justice #yj #bart allen #answering things

[raayllum]

Only just now hearing this and wow imagine hating bi people so much that you claim anyone who hcs amaya/janai as bi is problematic. 🤢 haven’t we not even gotten creator confirmation of their sexualities yet?? Except that j*n*ya is going to be romantic?

devon (head writer) on twitter confirmed they were lesbians but like, look. (and this is something devon herself has said!! to be kind to each other!!) representation is not a competition. a win for one of us is a win for all of us. especially when the realm of what people see on tv as casual viewers (the way at least 70% of tdp’s audience who are actual kids) is very different than what happens in the realm of fandom.

not to mention anything that demands that “word of god” statements are canon ruffle me that wrong way. absolute canon is not how fandom has ever worked. like as long as no one is viewing them as straight - aka denying their canonical, on screen demonstrated attraction to women - like... does it really matter if other queer people read bi and pan experiences onto them too??

like i’m ace (and pan); i have to read my experiences onto characters because i literally don’t have any other options!! and god knows fandom is the king of insisting “character A showed attraction to someone of the same sex Once” (esp when erasing a guy’s attraction to a woman of colour) must be gay and any other possible queer identity is homophobia. as though those sorts of viewpoints don’t contribute to bi/pan-erasure and internalized biphobia

like i see amaya as a lesbian, but that doesn’t mean i’m going to spend my time harassing or shaming people (queer or otherwise bc, shockingly, straight people also don’t deserve harassment! no one does) who see amaya (or janai) as bi or pan. 

#thanks for asking #fandom nonsense #i can't tell you how many times i saw 'you can't hc nico as ace' in the pjo fandom back in the day #as tho gay and ace can't coexist as identities #the gold star gay of it all lmao #Anonymous

[fluorescentbrains]

kinda unrelated but the post about cancel culture reminds me why some ppl have such a hard time dealing w/ crit of Neilman. If Neil is Bad then Good Omens is Bad and if gomens is bad then they can't like it anymore. &that kinda attitude extends to how ppl claim A/C as queer rep for them specifically & if you question the validity of them being a queer couple in the text -in any way- then you're questioning the validity of their own identity. Even tho A/C aren't claimed as anything in the text.

yeah, I think this is a factor at least for some people in why they’ve been so resistant to criticism of the show. I’ve noticed a lot of the people who get the most bent out of shape over it are very happy to call other shows they DON’T like queerbaiting... but you won’t catch them saying as much about any shows they like. if they like the show it’s qp ace rep/secretly already canon/queerCODING; if they don’t, it’s queerbaiting.

also people who are Very Online tend to be waaay too attached to the idea of fictional characters being a complete representation of their own specific identity and it shows lmfao. makes it very hard to coexist with differing interpretations when someone is screaming from the rooftops that so-and-so ambiguously queer character is bi and it’s erasure to interpret them as gay and vice versa