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child-of-hurin · 2 years

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people talk a lot about Morwen naming Niënor "mourning" but I'm also interested in Lalaith's original name, Urwen which means fire maiden or girl of fire which I find a strange choice given how horribly Morwen's early life was shaped by the fires of Dagor Bragollach

to be clear this isn't judgement at Morwen or Húrin (it's also possible Tolkien just wasn't thinking about this, didn't think anyone would notice or thought it was darkly fitting given her fever death and so chose it for meta reasons) I just find it very interesting

Some cultures do have naming customs where names are thought to act as wards of some sort.

-@outofangband

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That had NOT occurred to me!! For some reason I put in my mind that the Ur in Urwen was derived from the same element as Tu in Tuor and Túrin, which -- Why did I think this?? It's clearly not true???

I did a word search on the History of Middle Earth and apparently both Urwen and Urwendi were previous names of Arien, and “Ur” a word connected to “Sun”:

Urwen, Urwendi In the earlier tales in this book the form is Urwen, becoming Urwendi in the Tale of the Sun and Moon. The original entry in GL was 'Urwendi and Urwin (Q. Urwen) the maiden of the Sun-ship', but this was later changed to read 'Urwedhin and Urwin (Q. Urwendi)'. In QL (see Ur) Urwen appears as a name of the Sun.

And later:

The Sun-maiden is now named Urien, emended to Arien (her name in The Silmarillion), replacing Urwendi (< Urwen);

I can’t find anything else about the character Urwen Lalaith, so there’s no way to know what exactly was the logic here, but given that the name “Urwen” and “Urwendi” occurred a LOT in earlier versions of the Legendarium (the search function on my PDF accuses over 50 uses!), I think it must have held some significance in Tolkien’s mind when he picked it for our baby Hadorian! It seems to me she must have been named not after fire itself but after the sun? Which works SUPER WELL with the Aure Entuluva/Now comes the night theme of the book...

I don’t wanna be one of those people who are so deep into their favorite text of choice that they see meaning in even the most trivial thing but. If Urwen is named after the sun, it makes me think of both Húrin’s failed prophecy that “day shall come again” (it doesn’t), and Sador’s conversation with Túrin about how mortal children, unlike elves, do not live forever... Urwen shall not come again either 😭

#the children of húrin #lalaith #although ofc i DO think the idea of Urwen being named as a sort of ward also is simply delicious #in the light of the trauma of the Sudden Flame.... hella #basically all options here please me #outofangband #silmarillion

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fadedfrost · 6 months

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Maeglin, but specifically from @theheirofashandfire’s Aurë Entuluva series.

#fadedfrostmoodboards #ao3 #silm edit #tolkien #maeglin #aure entuluva

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starspray · 2 years

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There was a conversation about Orome and Fingolfin and also Theoden on the SWG discord yesterday and I said a comparison between those two passages would be really neat and I didn’t say that intending to actually write it but I couldn’t stop thinking about it soooo

Anyway I am rereading the end of the Ride of the Rohirrim chapter of ROTK and does anyone else get goosebumps all over every single time? Like

Then suddenly merry felt it at last, beyond doubt; a change. Wind was in his face! Light was glimmering. Far, far away, in the South the clouds could be dimly seen as remote grey shapes, rolling up, drifting: morning lay beyond them.

But at that same moment there was a flash, as if lightning had sprung from the earth beneath the City. For a searing second it stood dazzling far off in black and white, its topmost tower like a glittering needle; and then as the darkness closed again there came rolling over the fields a great boom.

At that sound the bent shape of the king sprang suddenly erect. Tall and proud he seemed again; and rising in his stirrups he cried in a loud voice, More clear than any there had ever heard a mortal man achieve before:

Arise, arise, Riders of Théoden! Fell deeds awake: fire and slaughter! spear shall be shaken, shield be splintered, a sword-day, a red day, ere the sun rises! Ride now, ride now! Ride to Gondor!

With that he seized a great horn from Guthláf his banner-bearer, and he blew such a blast upon it that it burst asunder. And straightaway all the horns in the host were lifted up in music, and the blowing of the horns of Rohan in that hour was like a storm upon the plain and a thunder in the mountains.

IT’S JUST SO GOOD. HOPE OUT OF DARKNESS. A CHANGE IN THE WIND. THE DAWN. AURE ENTULUVA.

#this has been a post #excuse me while i go scream for a while

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crownlessliestheking · 1 year

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Húrin and Maedhros for the character ask?

-@outofangband

Yes! Of course.

Maedhros:

Why I like them- He's just so fucking interesting? He's in charge, he's following his father's footsteps and simultaneously straying far from what Feanor would've wanted. He's a leader, he is not afraid to make difficult decisions, and this ends up being a fatal fuckin' flaw with how the First Age plays out. He knows better than anyone what the end of the road looks like, thanks to Angband, and he comes to peace with it in a way that his brothers can never touch or replicate. He's damaged, he's a soldier whose ultimate causes conflict with one another, he's a king withot a crown, he's an oldest brother. There's a lot of crunch to him.

Why I don’t- I mean, there are the war crimes. Those very much exist. I also don't tend to love the versions of Maedhros that are like...very soft, angsty tormented yet good parent to Elros and Elrond, or absolving him of blame in some cases re: kinslaying. Like. He did that. But that's more fanon than canon.

Favorite line (got rid of the episode/scene ones)- Honestly...'a king is he that can hold his own' is iconic.

Favorite outfit- @nailsinmywall's Mt. Mae is my favorite Look of his.

OTP- I am a scandalous multishipper, so I don't have a favorite!

Brotp- Maedhros & Fingolfin for sure.

Head Canon- Mmmmm. Tricksy. Maedhros is Maglor's favorite brother, I think, but Maedhros' favorites are probably Amrod and Amras.

Unpopular opinion- See part of why I don't like him, I think especially the kidnap fam bit. Like, agh. There was love, it grew like a weed. I do not think he was good at showing it. I do not think they were ready to receive it. You don't love the monster under your bed until years later on when you realize that it was keeping you safe, and when it's gone and you think, oh. I miss that.

A wish- Peace.

An oh-god-please-dont-ever-happen- Man, what HASN'T happened to him.

5 words to best describe them- tall, fell, driven, damaged, haunted.

My nickname for them- None! I use 'Mae' sometimes on twitter for space reasons, but he is simply Maedhros to me.

Hurin:

Why I like them- See favorite line, see his just. Absolute fucking insane willpower to not crack when Morgoth tortured him and chained him up. He's another really interesting guy, I think, and it is SO funny to me that he's friends with Turgon. I think also that the way his optimism erodes from the Nirn to the time Morgoth releases him is really fucking painful? But it's part of what gets me.

Why I don’t- Not really...a ton of reasons not to? Can't think of anything here.

Favorite line- Surely his 70x 'aure entuluva'

Favorite outfit- A-armor...?

OTP- I REFUSE to take him away from Morwen.

Brotp- Hurin & Turgon, but also I think he probably had at least one thrall friend in Angband.

Head Canon- I don't know that like. The stuff he does after Morgoth releases him is 100% 'thrall of Morgoth' behaviour? Like he does some pretty...fucked up stuff, iirc, but. Nothing that is suggesting outright mind control more than rage and grief at being misled. I think that's a bit more interesting, though way more heart-breaking.

Unpopular opinion- None, probably; I'm not well-versed in Hurin opinions.

A wish- I want him to have had a happy time with Morwen when he found her again, holy shit. Even one single second of joy.

An oh-god-please-dont-ever-happen- Same as Maedhros, really. What hasn't happened to this dude.

5 words to best describe them- loyal, enduring, grieving, brave, determined

My nickname for them- None! His name's short, he is simply Hurin.

#ask game #hurin #maedhros

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irrealisms · 2 years

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quinntamsin · 2 years

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Her Fea sings to another, and yet she cannot sense it. A light on the periphery of her power, and thus she rested. Cuinn, the Dunedain called her, the "One Who Gives Council" in a rough form of Westron. Her amber lacquered armor shined in the new day as she walked the gates of Rivendell. The sword astride her hip newly sharpened as she prepared to join the Host of the King. As the thunder of orc feet came rushing she raised her shield and braced herself.

"Aure entuluva!" the rough erupted from the people of Lindon. "To the Light of Elbereth! In the Elder King's name!"

As the orc bodies crashed against her singing shield as the wave against the bullwark she smiled. Finally, after long years of dread, she would have her revenge. === Holy shit this is happening. LOTR - Rings of Power Ep1 "A Shadow Of The Past" opens with a dark screen. A group of elves play in the fields of the Far West, and thus we see young Galadriel. This has to be Aman this is before the reappearance of Melkor in the East. The beauty of the line of Finwe is strong in the Nis as we watch. And yes, I will be using FUCKING QUENYA and SINDARIN in this. Shit, they actually created Aman, the Westlands of Beauty and where the Elder King, Manwe sits far above all. Another Bonde elf, holy shit I think its....Finrod. A short haired ef is weird, Noldor usually are depicted with long hair. I wonder if this was to avoid the iffy wigs we see in HoD. Watching Finrod, one of the brightest sons of Finfarin. And holy shit....its - they actually made it. The city of the Noldor and the two trees. They are sowing the Noldor and Beleriand. The fights of the Noldor and the Sindar. Dragons fighting eagles...dammit its the Battle of a Thousand Tears! I see now why they spent so long in this. preview is amazing. The tall pile of elven helms and the rise of Sauron as the dread Captain of the Dark Lord. Hmm we are suddenly in the far north, and the Elves still hunt for the Vampire and Shapechanger. This particular scene near the frozen wall of ice and a waterfall nearby is beautiful. The company is weakened and they question the Captain, you can see how they never saw the fall of the trees. No, evil persists even in the light as it can hide in Shadow. I like how they dpeict evil as cold and even being powerful enough to quench the living flame of a torth. Leaving only its bare light. This show is so damn pretty, yes, its dark in the beginning but compared to the end of GoT it has colors. WE know that there is something of the Shasow in that fortress as we had a shot of something moving not of the company of Galadriel. There are Yrch in this place. Even worse of Frost Troll. Damn it looks epic. Watching Galadriel take out the troll was...so fucking epic. And, her entire company turns on her. The fools. Okay nice opening. We are suddenly now in Rhovanion, a pair of hunters travel home with great elk wracks upon their backs. WE hear of the stories of Harfoots of how dangerous are proto-Hobbits are. ANd, yup it's a fucking hobbit in a hole. An entire field of Harfoots! I like how they went with them being a hidden people and ehtier entire town and camp hiding in plain sight. It makes the smials that develop in the shire all the more awesome later on! And we get to meet one of our major Harfoots, Nori. Heh, this is adorable with the various littles. They appear to be playing in some sort of ruin where there are berries abound to gather and eat. They find a footprint - wargs. Wild wargs. There have to be orcs nearby for a pack this big. WE switch to Rivendell who appears to be keeping a record of sort. They bar him from the Elven council of Lindon (he is half-elf, Peredhel), and Galadrial has returned from Forodwaith. She's basically his great - great aunt if you need the basics. THe harfoots return with Nori being confronted by her mother and speaks to her mother. IT's good to see how the hobbits in this period of Arda act. I predict the Warg pack will attack revealing orcs sending shit out into the world. In Lindon Gil-galad is holding a ceremony to celebrate the fall of the Enemy. This is where you can see that the Elves are still foolish in this age. They still think they are powerful, but their fall is coming. The High-King speaks of sending the survivors of the company and Galadriel back home across to Aman. Fools, they are complacent in the face of the Enemy's return. The graves of the elves cared into living trees is...reflective. It makes sense, and honest, I feel like that this scene with Galadriel is a foreshadowing of her time in Lothlorien. "Evil does not sleep - it waits." This is probably one of the best lines of this show so far. I love this scene between Nephew and Aunt, and family tied by long years of hardship. Now, we travel away from Lindon east here in the southlands the men work the fields. These are Northmen, people who didn't fight in the War of Wrath and thus were not of the Edain. Here a group of men fight with Arondir, who I'm guessing is some sort of far ranging patrolmen. Arondir's friend decides to pester him and as the call to remove the garrisons comes. WE will see the fall of the land which will become known as Mordor. Arondir returns to the woman and we see the cow is exuding black milk. Bronwyn joins Arondir and Bronwyns son pulls out a morgul blade. A FUCKING BLADE CAST OF the evils of Morgoth. Fool. The kid is now infected with the power of the new Dark Lord. Switching back to Lindon we get Celebrimbor takin on Elrond as his apprentice to work on a "New Project". WE see that the Harfoot ssee a strange set of stars in the night. Arondir and Bronwyn get into an argument about what could be happening in Horndern, and yeah well that town no longer exists. Its burned to the ground. In our ending we see the ship about to enter the Blessed West as everyone watches a great red falling meteor strike the ground. WE even see a group of Ents. As the company passes into Aman Galadriel jumps from the ship and awaits in the water. Which makes me wonder how she plans on getting back to dry land. I mean... And in Lindon the tree above the High King stars to die with a horrendous black blight filled with the lore of the Dark Lord. The fool, the Shadow has returned. And a man sits in the middle of the fire which makes me wonder who the hell he is. This might be an Istari, a fucking Wizard. LETS DO Episode 2 now! "Adrift" and now we get to see the opening. Oh, I like how its particles of stone forming various designs and symbols. At the impact site Nori is found out by Poppy and we see something strange. A tall mostly nude man (he had a loin cloth thingy) with a large white beard. This has to be a fucking wizard! Yup shit gets all floaty then the fire goes out. When he blacks out again the fire reignites. Yup this has to be a fucking Maia coming down from Valinor. Poppy and Nori use their sneak skills to bring the gain bearded man out of the creator. "That's a tomorrow problem." Yup, this is a fucking quest opener. Except the Wizard came flying out of the sky. This guy is either Saruman or maybe Gandalf. I mean he's obviously a wizard, hell he was recused by fucking Halflings! Qw xomw to Hordern where Arondir and Bronwyn are pulling apart the remains of the entire town. Down a hole they find a massive set of tunnels. This has work bullshit all over it. Switching to Eregion it's nice to see an entire Elf city in the open. Celebrimbor and Elrond fawn and discuss the hammer of Feanor. The greatest smith to ever live and we can see that Celebrimbor is unsure of his craft and lore. Seems we have an idea to make the rings and a magnificent forge is a nice start. Oh and damn I love the show of Khazadum! Holy shit its the gate from I think its the gate that opens for "Friend". And the Dwarves speak like their Scottish. Goddamit. Heh, he speaks fucking Khudzul! I like all the Dwarves in their armor, it feels nice to see how it mirrors the hard gaze of Durin or their people. Khazadum is glorious! This is what I've wanted from a Warven kingdom and city for years! Yup, this show wins so much fantasy points for these images. Especially the tiered farms grown in the light of openings above. Heh, it's great to hear the Dwarves speaking Khuzdul. Inad durinul! Heh, this is amazing. I adore how all the Dwarves have Longbeards as they should! I like how they have a literal rockbashing ceremony. This entire group feels like a bunch of drunk fratboys. Perfect! Back to Nori, okay she ventures to check on the Strange, of course, he's gone. Apparently doddering about trying to figure himself out. Wait no, he's drawing something. His literal word causes what appears to be a magical reaction, yup this is an Istari - a wizard. Nori speaks to him and he appears to be learning from her words and sussing out the world. Nori and the man seem to be trying to communicate. Nori's father's foot gets broken and we see an issue with the Harfoots migration. And...Galadriel is swimming across the ocean like a woman possess. This is Nolda of high power and lore. If anyone besides fucking Laurendil could could swim that far. And we see a ship on the back of a giant fucking sea dragon. Holy shit, yup we are upping the monster scenes in this show as the think is massive and proceeds to attack the ship remains. After the ship tosses her back out into the water our girl seems to figure something out or appears ready to just accept the embrace of Ulmo. Whoever the weird man is that remains of the ship crew he seems a little bit creepy. Back in Khazadum, Durin gives his former friend an earful. IT makes a point, Elves and those elf-like Peredhel experience time differently than the other peoples. Durin sets a limit and suddenly out comes Disa, and I love how they did her hair. ANd out come the kids playing with giant dwarven face helms. Gods they are so damn adorable. Damn, I love Dias she has such damn good sense of being a Dwarf. I gods, this entire fucking thing. Durin and his wife are so in love and are just happy. It's good that we get this. Heh, hear a swear to Aule was good. Damn, this show hits all the nice little lore spots with me. Harbrand and Galadriel get off to a fairly bad level of relationship. He speaks of Orcs destroying his homeland which makes me think maybe he's a man from the Southlands. One of those fools who live near Tirharad. Makes me wonder if those fools were from a place farther east than Hordern. The people keep mentioning a king which makes me wonder who this King is. He's obviously not linked to the ORcs. or Harband would have said something about them. This level of horror is upped as we seen an Orc watching beneath Bronwyn's home. And Arondir seeing them creeping in the tunnels beneath Hordern. Even the rats appear to be fleeing from what is coming. This entire scene was so damn claustrophobic. When he's grabbed he's just gone. Bron returns to her home to see Theo hiding from the ORc he saw. It comes scraping out of the hole. Massive clawed hands and its sickly greasy body making it appear as a mix of fucking flayed skin and some strange weird leatherface look. Theo stabs the thing which gets him in the arm as it fights like a bloody gollum on steroids.It takes a stab full through the body and a blade in the neck and it goes down hard. Said Orc head makes proof of problems and so they leave the town hopefully. Galadriel and Harband in meanwhile fight the storm. She is dragged overboard and Hardy boy decides to stop being a shit and saves our girl. Nicely done! Nice to see the racism between the Southers and the Elves getting to be a bit less shitty. Nori and her friend return to see the strange. Who seems a bit more lucid now than before. He appears to use the fire flies in their lanterns for something that changes to a pair of stars. We see all of the fireflies die after he does his craft. Which makes me wonder about a lot of things. It appears that our Dwarven friends have a Simaril perhaps we see something as King Durin speaks to the prince. And Theo does some weird shit with the sword which appears to be remaking itself with the touch of his blood. We watch all of the town of Tirharad flee for the watchtower. Both Galadriel and Harband drift and find themselves waking up in the sun. Above them stands a man on a ship, my guess is he's a Numenorean. Gay Thoughts Okay, wow this was hard. But seriously, Celebrimbor and Elrond are an interest pair one could use. Honestly, with Galadriel it wouldn't be hard to have her marry Celebrian and have someone else. But gods I'm too focused on OCs for this idea! Hottakes

Holy shit this series is pretty.

Like how fucking pretty is this shit!

That intro was almost right up there with the ones from the OG trilogy. Hobbit one still beats it out.

I like how they are really setting up this build up to the rings. And the return to Sauron as well.

Costuming is a little drab, but I do like the armor I'm seeing.

Ho-shit that Frost troll was awesome.

Both Lindon and Eregion are very pretty and so is Khazadum.

We need more DWARVISH! Moar Khuzdul!

Hmmmmm Disa was a bloody treasure.

Prince Durin is a good kid.

Khazâd can fucking party!

Can we get some woodelves please?! All we are seeing are hoity-toity fucking. Silvan and bloody Noldor. Some Nandorim would be niiice!

Strange is likely some kind of maia spirit.

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