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deramin2 · 2 days

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Orym's argument against Ludinus Da'leth and the Ruby Vanguard is essentially "The purpose of a system is what it does."

This is a systems theory coined by Stafford Beer around 2001. He posited there is "no point in claiming that the purpose of a system is to do what it constantly fails to do." It does not matter what someone tells you a system does if it does not reliably do that. The things it does consistently do are the actual purpose of the system.

Ludinus (and Liliana) claim the purpose of the Ruby Vanguard's violence is to free Exandria of oppression from the gods. Orym's point is that they have not consistently protected anyone from oppression. They consistently murder innocent people, indoctrinate vulnerable people into doing terrible violence (including children), support a ruling class that dominates the population through mind control and eugenics, and seek to release a predator so terrifying that the warring alien gods and native primordials worked together to seal it away as a threat to both of them.

So the logical conclusion is that the purpose of Ludinus' system is not to free anyone from tyranny, it's to install himself as the tyrant. And it does not matter what Ludinus says it's for or even what he believes it's for. The purpose of a system is what it does. And Orym has been personally and repeatedly victimized by what it does. Why wouldn't he keep reminding them of that?

Add onto that, the Ruby Vanguard is a death cult. They lure people in with believable lies. They use propaganda to control how people view them and to convince people to support them. Liliana has been groomed into a true believer who genuinely thinks what she has been told is true and that Ludinus' system does what he says it will. She has been convincing other people of this for years. Not because she's an inherently bad person but because everyone generally tries to convince others that what we believe is true. It is actually dangerous to let a cultist try to talk you into the cult's perspective. That's why Orym shuts it down.

Orym was already on edge but it's fully in a breakdown after FCG's sacrifice. One more iteration of Ludinus' system consistently murdering the people he loves. But he still told Imogen he wants her to have a good relationship with her mom again. He wants Liliana to make it through the other side of this. But that has to involve consistently stating the reality of what's happening against what she believes.

Ludinus believes in the rapture of the revolution. Burn everything to the ground on a fundamental level and a new perfect society will grow, with him to guide it. The reality is that kind of power vacuum consistently leads to horrific violence and conditions often get much, much worse. Especially for vulnerable people, who often do not survive. A lot about the gods' relationships to mortals probably needs to change, but this an incredibly dangerous gamble to fix it.

The purpose of a system is what it does. Any suggestion otherwise is cold comfort to Orym's family in the ground.

#POSIWID #critical role #critical role spoilers #critical role meta #critical role campaign 3 #Bell's Hells #Orym of the Air Ashari #Ludinus Da'leth #Liliana Temult

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annemarieyeretzian · 2 days

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liam narrating “orym, a complete bloody mess, pushes himself up. hex is gone. he can barely move. he’s exhausted.” and his voice breaking as he continues “but his father wouldn’t stop protecting his friends, and neither would his husband.” and ashley saying “oh my god.” as she immediately goes through all the stages of grief,,, yeah

#annemarie watches critical role #critical role #liam o'brien #orym of the air ashari #orym #derrig of the air ashari #derrig #will of the air ashari #will #orym x will #will x orym #willorym #ashley johnson #cr cast #bell's hells #true heroism #c3e91

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undead-knick-knack · 13 hours

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One last bitch comment for old times sake 😔💛

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septembermonologues · 3 days

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staying hashtag delusional and choosing to believe that the shop announcing a dorian shirt and dice set today supports my theory that he's going back to bells hells

#i also now have to get fearne's dice too so i have the whole trio #im so giddy over what could be nothing #however. i have made so many right calls. so.#k watches cr3 #cr spoilers #bell's hells #critical role #dorian storm

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sparring-spirals · 9 hours

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I got to say I really liked the episode (despite only having watched exu calamity of the exu series) and I think maybe Matt needed a breather after so many fast paced, lore filled episodes.

however, I am kinda bummed that the fcg processing has been put on hold for (at least) two weeks now and that means that, despite them being great actors that truly merge with their characters at the table, their reactions will be much less raw and there’s a chance some of them will forget tidbits of information, emotions they felt when it happened because they (as role players) will have had time to process it out of the game and it might create a dissonance in the game. tbf I kind of felt the difference even between the end of ep 91 and the beginning of 92 but it made sense because technically they were still running and couldn’t afford to process. idk. I have hope that we’ll still see that raw emotion, but I fear it won’t be as impactful as it could’ve been, especially if they’ll have to put the “reporting for duty” hat on immediately when they get to the camp

I think being a little bummed about the sort of unexpected hiatus on the Bell's Hells/Post F.C.G processing is super understandable! As someone who also really did enjoy the Crownskeepers return (hello im still yelling about Opal internally), I'm kind of in the same camp of being kind of thrown/disappointed about not getting to really dig into/sit with the Bell's Hells post-F.C.G loss. Like, LOVED the Crownkeepers, fascinating second half, kind of meh on the specific timing.

I'm holding my reservations about whether they're going to have to keep running/moving once we return to their portion of the story, since hey, until it happens (or doesn't!), we don't know, so I don't feel like getting too in my head about it until then.

That said! I do think that in general the cast puts characterization and staying true to the emotions of the character/story as a very high priority within the campaign. I think you're right that it won't be the exact same as if they had done a big emotional blowup/goodbye/processing scene in the same ep where they lost F.C.G, or immediately after. I don't think that means it has to be less impactful, just that- yeah, they'll have had more time to actually think/process it.

But they're also all professional voice actors who have, IMO, thus far shown how much they think about the inner lives of their characters and enjoy really digging deep into the emotional/interpersonal aspects of roleplay.

My assumption (my hope?) is that with additional time to think about + process a devastating/deeply emotional loss for their character(s), they'd choose to lean into that more, and not less. It wont be the same as the immediate raw reactions, thats true! But i dont think that means it has to be less impactful, even if they (as people) have had more time to process, and will be choosing how their characters, fresh off the loss, react. I dont think thats a guarantee it will be less impactful/emotional (maybe the additional thinking would actually enhance the reactions being true/insightful to the characters vs gut reactions from cast), but it will be different.

But if the cast chooses to lean into the heartbreak/emotions, and the circumstances of the BH in the upcoming ep enable it, I'm sure they can still kick my ass (emotionally), timeskip or not.

In general, I'm cautiously optimistic about what could happen next! Even if I don't love the timing thus far. I think there's still plenty of ways for me to get what I'm hoping for wrt F.C.G/BH. :] There are plenty of ways for me to get let down too, probably, but until it happens, or doesn't, I'm opting to not get too doomery about it. We'll see.

I uh. Hope that helps? A bit? Being bummed about specific things you were hoping for being off the table is totally reasonable. just hoping to lend an alternate way of viewing it, if desired.

(i wrote the sentence: "don't be lamenting your chickens before they hatch" and then went "what the fuck" out loud. i spent 4 hours at work today just doing systems diagramming and my brain is fried. clearly. keeping this here for my own entertainment.)

#im kind of tired im sorry if this makes no sense lmao. i appreciate the ask! sorry if my answer comes off as flippant. i do get where you're #coming from and wanted to share how im personally choosing to approsch it haha #critical role #cr spoilers #c3e92 #bell's hells #spar speaks #ask away!#speculation #fcg #imo its like how we probably wont be getting situations like marisha shellshocked live tweeting after jester saved beau with a cupcake #but we get the cast doing sneaky little tweets before the episode airs but after theyve already experienced it #different for sure. doesnt have to be worse. thats more up to personal opinion i think #i fully wrote that chicken thing and went. thats the idiom right. and then stared at it and went. ... no. its not.#should i have waited to answer this ask? maybe. but oh well.#i should probably get some sleep though

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beauregardlionett · 5 months

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i've connected the two dots. i've put the pieces together.

#cr #critical role #cr spoilers #c3e79 #beaureblogs #bell's hells #bh

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justalittlebluetiefling · 12 days

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I'm alive because they made me alive.

#sam riegel #fcg #critical role #bell's hells #cr3e91 #cr spoilers #cr lb #cr clips

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umoras · 6 months

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imodna in the new animated intro! 🖤💜

#critical role #critical role spoilers #imodna #imogen temult #laudna #bell's hells #hello i was possessed to make these #we'll see if they show in the tags lol #cr #bh

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ithinkthiswasabadidea · 9 months

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LETS GOOOOO

#Critical Role #Travis Willingham #Chetney Pock O'Pea #Bell's Hells #cr spoilers #Matt Mercer #cr liveblog #c3e67

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drawsmaddy · 2 months

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[ID: A digital illustration of Laudna and Imogen Temult from Critical Role. They're both wearing modern clothing and standing at a pink vending machine with an ad for "Pretty's Soda" on the top of it. Laudna is wearing a black dress with a long, shredded skirt, a black corset, a black jacket, black platform boots, and a black coffin shaped bag with a transparent front and a red lining. Pâté is inside her bag. Imogen is wearing a white button up shirt with the top few buttons undone, a grey fringe jacket, denim shorts, yellow knee high boots with flowers embroidered on them, and a brown shoulder bag with a bisexual pride pin attached to it. Imogen is leaning against the vending machine and smiling at Laudna who has a hand on the vending machine and is smiling back at Imogen. End description.]

Local spooky girlfriends grabbing a soda

#laudna #imogen temult #imodna #southerngothic #my art #critical role #critical role fanart #bell's hells #bells hells

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elahogn · 9 months

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