#belos mentioned

[waywardsunlight]

Belos

#the owl house #emperor belos #tw trauma mention #belos #toh #toh meme #Wayward Sunlight Art

[tizzymcwizzy]

what do you do when you look into your father's eye and all you see reflected back at you is a damned, broken boy

it's finally finished,,, man i spent so long on this holy cow djdbhdgbf i first started this back when clouds on the horizon aired and only just finished it, but im really happy with it!! :D ive never done something this complicated, and at that paint it all as well

also here's some closeups and the full background,

#it was originally supposed to be that moment that luz says the actual line but then i got carried away #i really like this one but it took so long jfc i need to either speed my process up by like 1000% or just not do things this ambitious #also idk if i ever mentioned this but i arrived safely on vacation! im chillin :)) #the owl house #the owl house season 2 #kings tide #toh #emperor belos #philip wittebane #hunter #toh hunter #gus porter #luz noceda #my art

[hyenashark]

pov belos

#the owl house #toh #toh spoilers #emperor belos #philip wittebane #meme #the definition of insanity #tw abuse mention #why did this blow up what the fuck

[pandoratheprocrasticreator]

Oh god now that toh ends with luz being able to travel between worlds ppl are using that to dunk on amphibia. And now that belos died ppl are using that to dunk on su.

They are different shows people! They have different themes! Amphibia is a classic take on isekai as escapism! Marcy went to amphibia to avoid her real life and while she had fun she didnt mature until after she accepted she needed to embrace change in her life! Anne matured in amphibia bc she always recognized that she has her own life to get back to! Sasha matured after realizing that too! Leaving amphibia for good means to embrace the step out of childhood! Something thats inevitable for everyone!

The owl house is about finding a community in midst of ostracization! Luz stayed in the boiling isles because she found people who accepted her quirks! The boiling isles was in danger from a bigot and luz helps her new community defeat him! Its a very queer story! Community is the center of the story so it makes sense for luz to be able to go back to the boiling isles since shes maintaining her place in the community!

Steven universe is about choosing to be kind! Its that everyone has their own specific traumas that they can overcome with the right support! Its about surviving in a world of bigots at any cost, even if it you have to work with the bigots to carve out a space for the people you love! Because people like you exist and theres nothing anyone in power can do about it! Its also a very queer story! The diamonds can never stamp out the off colors because they will always be there! Steven works with the diamonds not because he likes them but because they can improve the world for his family if only he could get through to them! Hes rewarded for choosing to be kind with success because the theme of the show is hope! Hope that anyone can change! But even though the diamonds stop being fascist steven still doesnt like them because its not about forgiveness! Its about fixing things! Stevens just polite about it!

The owl house starts off with the assumption that everyone can change but its not about the potential its about the willingness to change! The focus is on belos, whos had every chance to turn his life around but will never admit that hes wrong! And the show posits that if someone isnt willing to change theyre not worth helping! Its not about whether or not the character is fascist its about if theyre willing to stop being fascist! Several characters stop being fascist and are welcomed by the characters with open arms belos just wasnt one of them! Several characters clean up their acts but dont adequately address the previous harm they did and are STILL fully forgiven eventually! For toh forgiveness is paired with fixing things you just need to give it time!

And theres an argument that some of these shows didnt do their themes well. If you wanted to portray amphibia as an escapism world that the girls need to leave behind to get to their richer futures then having them get such caring found families go against that by giving them a potential of a good life in the isekai world. Steven universe uses the diamonds as metaphors for mental illness and relationships but its hard to stick with that when you also need to consider the countless other gems they hurt. I think its also fair if people prefer one theme over another.

But a lot of stuff i see comparing these shows just go over surface similarities? Like oh shit! These two shows have the same character archetypes! They have the same inciting incident! This must mean that theyre exactly the same in everything but names and artstyle and are trying to say the exact same things! Like. No. Sometimes,,,,,two stories,,,,,,can talk about two different things,,,,,,,

#shut up pandora #the owl house #toh #amphibia #steven universe #su #emperor belos #phillip wittebane #should i tag the other characters mentioned? #not the diamonds actually #marcy wu #sasha waybright #anne boonchuy

[rolling-harbinger]

Bro, this poor kid is so obviously physically abused.

He literally would’ve gotten cut here if he didn’t move his head to the side. And even then, it still barely cut a bit of his hair.

From this scene I have a feeling that Hunter has dealt with Belos’s cursed form head on before, from the way he looks away as if afraid.

Or how here he just tenses up and closes his eyes, expecting to get hit, as if getting hit is a normal punishment for him.

Look at the way he flinches and tenses up, when all Belos did was snatch the key. It’s like he was expecting Belos to hurt him.

The way he flinches when Belos flicks his hair. Like he expects a hit.

And then there are things Hunter says that tells us he is abused.

“The emperor is not a merciful man” probably saying that out of experience.

“Come back with results, or else…” he probably would get hit if he didn’t come back with results

“I can’t go back empty handed… not again” he will get hurt if he comes back empty handed (like he almost did)

As someone who has been physically abused, a lot of Hunters mannerisms (like the way he flinches, closes his eyes, and tenses up when near that person (or even other people), even if they aren’t doing anything real threatening) reminds me a lot of myself. I fully believe he is physically abused, and if it’s revealed that he isn’t I will be genuinely shocked, because all of his mannerisms add up.

#now I’m even more worried for him because Belos wants to kill him now :’) #also #I have a good feeling this kid hates physical contact #the owl house #toh #disney toh #toh disney #hunter toh #toh hunter #hunter #toh the golden guard #the golden guard #toh spoilers #tw #abuse tw #tw abuse mention #tw abuse

[awakefor48hours]

The Owl House is great because it’s a show where an aroace woman decks a fascist colonizer in the face so hard his nose is broken forever.

Later, said fascist gets beaten into a puddle of goo by a god-like being with he/they pronouns.

Then in the finale, he gets beaten half to death by the ADHD, afro-Latina, gender nonconforming, openly bisexual, protagonist.

Then when he actually dies, it’s because he was boiled alive by the same god-like being that he used to oppress people then was promptly stomped to death by a Latin nonbinary, a bisexual woman who’s an amputee with chronic fatigue, and another god-like being that reproduces asexually.

#mention of death #toh #the owl house #Belos #lilith clawthorne #toh the collector #the collector #luz noceda #raine whispers #eda clawthorne #edalyn clawthorne #king clawthorne

[letssofia3006]

So Alex Lawther (Philip Wittebane voice actor) has a video of him monologuing. And plenty surprising it almost lats the same as Belos theme song.

I rustically mixed it and I was surprised on how well it fits. And as for the fanart this is how I picture the scene.

With Philip talking for the last time to his brother grave. Ready to dig out Caleb's corpse and start doing the first grimwalker.

Link to the Alex Lawther's vídeo for the poor souls who can't hear the audio

#philip wittebane #the owl house #toh #emperor belos #caleb wittebane #mentioned? #he is there like in the show #never there but you can feel his presence #and for everyone seeing this post #just close your eyes while listening to the audio #I did it and all I could think of was Philip talking #and him saiying fuck #yes he can AND HE WILL #my art

[probablyhuntersmom]

Belos trying the same tactic with both of the poor kids. But what a contrast between the towering monstrous form versus the puddle he was reduced to in the end.

He hurt Luz and Hunter enough. More than enough. He snatched literal life away from them. I'm relieved that both of them had proximity away from him at the time of his death:

with Hunter being safely far away, and Luz making a conscious decision to walk away from him, so that they didn't have to witness his demise. On top of what they both already had to heal from, witnessing him dying would've been...visceral on another level for their senses, and for the memories they'd be carrying for years afterward.

I wouldn't ever want these to be the last sights (and sounds!) of Belos that Luz and Hunter are exposed to:

Especially because they had a history of trusting in him first, before experiencing betrayal from him. This scene was freaky enough for an adult audience member like me to watch...I can't imagine being a child, who previously trusted in Belos, placed in this situation.

It was different for Eda, King and even Raine (who has been staging and leading the CATTs rebellion over a long period), who were the ones to finish him off, because they didn't have prior experiences of deeply trusting in Belos first.

Coming in from a clinical perspective as well, if you work as a therapist you have to note down and weigh two areas for every client case: risk factors vs. protective factors that can either worsen or improve whatever mental health conditions they're experiencing. Doing this gives a clearer picture and creates higher awareness of a client's situation and struggles.

I'm zooming in on just risk factors for PTSD symptoms (list is from the National Institute of Mental Health's page about PTSD):

I underlined the blue to show which risk factors that Luz and Hunter would already be up against without witnessing Belos's death: that's already 7 out of 8!! (keep in mind they saw stuff like the grimwalker graveyard in Belos's mindscape) And these poor babies already met enough criteria for diagnoses of depression and C-PTSD respectively. If they witnessed him dying, it would've been a "big T" trauma event that could do more great damage and complicate the recovery process.

The red underlines are if they witnessed Belos's death, adding more layers of wounding when it comes to the relevant risk factors. And what would intensify things is like I mentioned, their history with Belos in particular is downright messy since they experienced betrayal from him in such awful ways. You can't be betrayed by someone if you didn't first place trust in them. In Hunter's case, he had (and realistically, would still have) love and attachment to Belos.

It's heavy enough that both of them were mourning father figures that left them behind at the start of those 3.5-4 difficult years, and would experience depressive symptoms related to those losses:

Hunter mourning Belos himself and his life in the Emperor's Coven which brought meaning to his life, while Luz mourned Manny and her use of the glyphs that helped her find her place when there was nothing else that worked.

They would need Camila, Darius and Eda as their solid rock to fall back on for unwavering support, along with the love from everybody else.

If I rewind things a little, I'm also relieved that Hunter wasn't ambushed by Belos in For the Future, and that Luz didn't give into temptation to "blast him away" in Watching and Dreaming:

Their anger and frustration was most definitely valid, but I'm pretty sure that any decisions to follow through with their desire to strike back at Belos...would've added salt to their moral injuries and bred more painful confusion in the years that they'd have to spend recovering from all that they went through.

Keeping them away from being the ones to finish Belos off was an informed writing decision.

#luz noceda #toh hunter #toh belos #the owl house #toh analysis #belos's death #luz and hunter are siblings #loz writes a meta #trauma mention

[shiddyformers]

Lilith learning that Hunter is a clone, was abused, and that his family tried to murder him, then remembering that time she said he’s a spoiled brat.

#toh spoilers #toh lilith #toh hunter #toh belos #the owl house #spoilers #abuse mention #original post

[thedailybullshit]

“Hunter’s new design is boring” yeah. That’s. The point.

The generic haircut, the bland sweater. It’s all a baseline for Hunter to set his physical characteristics so that he can figure out who HE is from there.

“But the hair noodle is so distinct to Hunter-” no it isn’t, & it never has been. It’s distinct to CALEB, & that has always been the point. Hunter never wore his hair like that bc HE liked it, he wore it that way bc it reminded Philip of Caleb.

Hunter was never supposed to be Hunter, he was supposed to be a “better version” (BELOS’S OWN WORDS) of Caleb. Hunter’s hair noodle was never a characteristic of his own.

This boy has no part of him that’s his own. He wears Caleb’s face. His body contains Caleb’s bones. His eyes come from being a grimwalker. Entire parts of his personality are built up from trying to please Philip, & the rest of his personality he can’t be sure isn’t left over from Caleb.

Hunter doesn’t know who Hunter is. So he’s trying to figure that out by building from the ground up. There’s only so much he can do about his physical appearance, & fortunately his hair is something under his control. So he gives himself that basic haircut so he can figure it out from there. His hair was never specific to him, so now he can make it that way.

Idk. I don’t see how anyone can be genuinely upset about this w/out severely missing the point.

#in conclusion: I like Hunter’s new hair & I’m happy for him bc clearly he can’t be happy for himself #the owl house #toh #hunter toh #caleb wittebane #philip whittebane #emperor belos #the owl house season three #also not to mention he’s gonna find out that Caleb was a witch hunter & compare that to how much of a menace he used to be to the BI #& while Caleb didn’t end his life that way it certainly makes sense why Hunter wouldn’t want to look at himself & see that #500 #this fandom has no chill bc it’s been less than a full 24 hours & there are 500 notes on a post about a lock of hair #I’m also guilty of having no chill about this show but Jesus Christ y’all #1k

[anistarrose]

the rebel coven heads hiding in the night market: got some straight gas for you 🔥😛 this strain is called "hollow mind" 😳💊 it'll have you trapped inside another mindscape, and this one is a twisted nightmare 💯👨‍💻

me: yeah whatever. i don't feel shit.

5 minutes later: dude i think i just saw an amalgamation of unquiet palismen souls taking on the shape of the emperor

my buddy hunter pacing: belos is lying to me

#the owl house #luz noceda #the owl house hunter #emperor belos #surely this has been done right? #drugs mention #i guess

[welcometogrouchland]

I also think it's nice that they made Camilla a sci-fi nerd and Luz a fantasy nerd. They're genres that are often seen as completely opposing one another by many people, which is what we're led to believe about Luz and Camilla in season 1. Luz is silly, nerdy, frequently in over her head and irresponsible and loves the boiling isles. We're led to believe that Camilla is the normal, conventional TV mother who'd be disgusted and terrified by the demon realm if she saw it.

Then yesterday's lie gives us a lot of nuance to this, and we realize that while they're still very different and now on opposite sides of a conflict, both mother and daughter are incredibly kind people (seen in their treatment of Vee) who love each other but struggle to make the right choices without hurting one another.

Then thanks to them drops all this Camilla characterization and we realize! She was a nerd too this whole time! The wedge between Camilla and Luz is motivated by past traumas and grief! and for the future has them switching sides on the central conflict of where Luz should stay (Camilla now wanting Luz in the demon realm because it's what's best for her, and Luz believing that staying in the human realm is what's best for the people she loves). They finally talk and realize that, like Willow pointed out earlier in the ep, the two are so alike. Camilla reveals that she's a secret nerd too! That she had a hard time growing up and accidentally hurt Luz trying to save her from the same fait! It's so important to me that Camilla keeps calling Luz a good witch. It's affirming her interests and goals, reminding her that she's just as good as the hero of her favorite story. And Luz finally only realizes that she wants to be understood...when she's finally able to understand her mom. When she realizes that the woman she loves and admires is just as much of a nerdy screw-up as her and that there's hope for her. Her palismen ends being multiple animals at once, showing both how Luz making unconventional choices (like carving an egg) keeps paying off for her and how her potential is limitless now that she finally knows and accepts her own goals, but to me it also reminds of the fact that Camilla is a vet and passed a love of all the weird and unliked animals (like wolves, possums, snakes, etc) to her.

It's just so so sweet and it really shows how much love and thought the crew put into this mother daughter storyline (FTF haters are not welcome on this page, respectfully). I can't wait to see how both of these misunderstood but healing women (who radiate "little/big sister" and "mom" energy respectively) are gonna interact with a) the lonely, easily manipulated and well intentioned but ignorant collector (a mix of both their interests as a magic being with a space motif! I just realized that lol) and b) the nasty puritan white man who's really obsessed with conforming to society's norms even when it literally doesn't benefit him at all.

Anyway, I believe in noceda( AND clawthorne 👀) family supremacy 💙

#the owl house #toh #toh spoilers #luz noceda #camilla noceda #this isn't proofread so if there's words missing or misspellings or somethings unclear feel free to mention #but this is just a messy thought dump #I have a ROUGH WEEK. I wish there was a more positive vibe in the fandom rn (although i kinda get it but also :( sad) #but there isn't one i will create it #tentatively I don't have a responsibility to do that I just wanna talk about things i noticed and like #i am going to post reqs just u wait. bitch! #also uhhhh other things i thought while making this post but couldn't include: #hunter and gus being fantasy trekkies is really funny and cute but also fits really well with both of their characters #gus has always been in love with the human realm and this is the ultimate neat little bow on that. #he's dressed as a character he relates to (captain avery trying to get back home to the family he loves) and his interest is uniquely human #bc sci-fi is kinda uniquely rooted in/associated w/ the human realm in toh. even in something like Belos' steampunk tech #SPEAKING OF. hunter oh my GODDD #he gets so attached to the human realm in TTT bc he's finally somewhere safe (he's always been entrenched in the most- #-toxic parts of the demon realm and it's culture which is ironically propelled forward by one humans influence) #and it's like a part of him is reclaiming his weird split heritage. he loves magic and he loves sci-fi and he's silly abt both #he's not a witch or a human and he's happy. or at least he will be #anyway. i love this shows relationship to fiction it is sweet and comforting and funny

[bananadramaaa]

TW: animal death, blood, mention of hanging, burning alive, abuse (it was wild times, let’s admit it)

Yep, I did it. Now I’ll rest in peace☠

#toh #the owl house #toh fanart #toh emperor belos #emperor belos #philip wittebane #caleb wittebane #wittebane brothers #toh phillip wittebane #comic #wittebros #animal death #blood #hanging #burning alive #abuse mention #myart

[pandoratheprocrasticreator]

hey yall should keep drawing vaguely catholic renaissance style art of luz like yall did with hunter after hollow mind. girl gets belos's drip and all of yall pointed at her and said "religious trauma"

#toh #the owl house #luz noceda #hunter toh #hunter noceda #emperor belos #phillip wittebane #watching and dreaming #hollow mind #for someone whos never mentioned to have any religion luz sure has been depicted in a lot of religious style art in the past few days #hell yeah! #give her more halos! #draw her in that post where shes like slightly looking down on the audience all angellic like with a big cape flowing behind her #go nuts with the shadows! #if you pose luz like a caravaggio painting know that i am kissing you on the lips #shut up pandora

[strawberrus0da]

This scenario has been playing nonstop in my mind for hours help

#the english language was developed in what #5th century? #and this kid was in the inbetween for possibly thousands of years #this is entirely plausible #my art #my toh art #i want to read a fic about this so bad #philip wittebane #emperor belos #the collector #the collector toh #toh the collector #comic #toh comic #toh #the owl house #toh humor #toh funny #toh spoilers #genocide mention #sorry idk how tws work

[artsymephy]

You’re right

Let them be buddies

Buddies, playmates, partners in crime, chaotic besties, malicious soulmates, troublemaker friends, mischief pals, whatever!! I think they’d be fun! No one else gets their weirdness so they stick together !!!

#the owl house #baby belos #Everywhen and Then #toh au #luz noceda #emperor belos #toh luz #philip wittebane #ask #Luz is more extroverted and very open about her weirdness #Philip is a little more timid here more of a creepy kid type #the show didn’t want to explore the idea of Philip being an outsider in his own town and forced to change so I will #Luz & Philip #is it a bad time to mention I wrote a fanfic about this AU #but only wrote like 1 chapter that focused on the Wittebros story modernized #anyway yeah they’d be fun as friends #imagine them as childhood friends but then things happen #Luz moves and loses her dad #Philip loses his parents and moves from home to home under foster care #he has Caleb but turns into a very troubled kid #neither has had a single friend for years and then they find each other again #I put way too much thought into this bye