#bone discourse

[ratcandy]

If you don't mind me asking w.what was the bones controversy..

Oh lird

So you see, ages ago, there had been an ask about zote's "bones" due to him being in disguise for so long. I objected (lightheartedly) that bugs do not have bones, they have an exoskeleton, so it's not quite the same thing, and this led to A Whole Series of Events in which people tried so so so so so SO hard to convince me that zote (and many others by association) should so totally have bones and I'm just being a Coward .

I was bullied for this endlessly both here and on discord hgKHSDGH . You can find posts related to it in the bone discourse tag </3 It certainly was a time shdgkJH

#I emphasize the whole thing was /lh lmAO #it was an experience at any rate #bone discourse #ask

[greensaplinggrace]

“Character A didn’t love Character B because they hurt them” discourse is truly terrible because it assigns a moral value to love that simply does not exist. love doesn’t actually mean anything about someone’s character. it doesn’t make someone’s actions toward another any better or any worse, it doesn’t prevent atrocities, and it doesn’t prevent abuse.

love is a worthless emotion when it comes to morals because it simply holds no bearing on them. true love doesn’t exist. there is no better or more pure version of love. in the end love doesn’t mean anything. it’s a non-emotion. it’s the child of passion and affection and dedication. doing something bad doesn’t preclude a feeling of love, because a lack of love isn’t a requirement for immoral actions, and morality isn’t a requirement for feeling love.

#like there's no moral high ground saying the character loved or didn't love the other charater #because its irrelevent #it's a driving factor like any emotion is a driving factor and that's about it #it's not a sign of morality or immorality #it's literally just love #love as an emotion is an ENTIRELY separate entity from a healthy relationship #shadow and bone #grishaverse #aleksander morozova #the darkling #alina starkov #darklina #hannigram #lawlight #spuffy #sab meta #sab salt #sab discourse #i mean kinda lol #just to be safe #myramblings #negative #fandomcourse

[kyouka-supremacy]

This is the only take I want to hear regarding the Bones discourse from now on

#Humanity is good actually #bsd #bungou stray dogs #“““Bones””” discourse? #Yeah Admiral Leonard H. McCoy MD Human Starfleet officer of the 23rd and 24th centuries accomplished surgeon physician psychologist #exobiologist expert in space psychology and chief medical officer serving aboard the USS Enterprise sure would

[trek-tracks]

I had the weirdest dream last night that they made an AOS animated series which had an episode that made it canon that Bones was secretly a superhuman cursed to remain immortal until he had cured all of humanity's suffering, but also that he gained his powers from the pierogi his mother made in a mall food court. I guess his mother was also immortal, but that was never explained.

This, of course, set off a lot of furious online discourse about whether TAAS (the alternate animated series) was actually canon or not. The cool thing to do when anyone insisted it wasn't was to just reply "ok gene" (as in Roddenberry, who reportedly didn't view the original TAS as canon), and it started trending as a tag. Because nobody capitalized the name, people outside of the fandom had no idea what was going on. Tumblr started speculating that scientists had discovered the "okay gene," as in the gene that made you feel okay, and everyone was saying "brb, gotta get my genome adjusted to add in the okay gene."

It was ironic, I thought, because if TAAS Bones could only actually discover the okay gene, he could cure all of humanity's suffering and finally get some rest.

...I have got to shut off social media.

#star trek #leonard mccoy #star trek aos #star trek tas #gene roddenberry #star trek tos #dreams #my life #bones mccoy #no idea where the pierogi thing came from #tumblr #having dreams about invented fandom discourse is a new low i swear

[bonefall]

LITERALLY like its people discussing the characters as living people and not plot tools. no matter what mapleshade did her kits would die because the plot NEEDS them to die. they were doomed the second they were out of camp lol

(i would say the bridge route would probably just have the kits succumb to hypothermia from being out in leaffall rain though, given how fragile kittens are. then people would whine about how she didnt take the faster route. also also doesnt getting to the bridge require crossing the stream near fourtrees, which is also capable of flooding. like fireheart almost dies there in one book. i just checked the map again and it looms like you need to hop the stream to get there)

From what I understand of that particular creek, it's a "syke." A syke is a seasonal stream fed by extra rain, floodwater, and snowmelt, usually only seen in spring and early autumn. A syke is also called a "bourne" further south in England.

So the syke could be active because of the extra flooding, yeah. Which would make it dangerous to take that detour. Mapleshade on her 4th playthrough of MV trying to get 100% completion so she takes the long way around, only for the plot wave to follow her all the way down there too lmao. SYKE!

#bone babble #Mapleshade Discourse O'Clock #It's not entirely known what the etymology of yelling syke after a sarcastic joke is #Most agree it was probably a misspelling of PSYCH! #BUT I like the idea it's a syke stream. A seasonal stream that doesn't always exist. SYKE! #but I am also a nerd so. Lmao #Haha yeah it's totally psych. SYKE!!! you THOUGHT

[dragondraems]

oh my god, Senshi mentoring Chilchuck is so endearing and also so so so funny if you know that Chilchuck is middle aged.

Senshi: What a brave and precocious child, that I must mentor and protect

Chilchuck: None of these fucking people know how half-foots age

#dungeon meshi spoilers #dungeon meshi #admittedly I think teaching somebody to cook can happen at any age and chilchuck clearly appreciates it #however it really made me realize that being a halffoot would suck so badly in universe for so many reasons #half-foots? half-feet? new horizons for confusing plurals #also can instantly tell theres gonna be chilchuck discourse I can feel it in my bones

[theweeklydiscourse]

Why is nuance dieing?

The younger generation seems to be so much more obsessed with moral puritanism in fiction and irdk why. Could it be because kids these days don't interact with real people and are just chronically online so they repeat what they see on the internet?

Actually saw someone saying people who like fictional bad boys are the reason why men get away with sa & rape irl and countries are criminalizing abortion...

It's just so depressing to see that. This line of thinking is scary actually.

I don't remember people going this mad over morals when shows and movies like Vampire Diaries and Twilight saga were huge. It's like people have regressed.

The media we consume is becoming more and more didactic as we enter an age where it seems like every piece of popular media is obsessed with delivering their messages and themes like an after school PSAs. Media is becoming increasingly more sanitized and “family friendly” to appeal to the broadest possible audience to create more and more profits for corporations. This obsession with sanitized fiction has become commonplace with many younger people who parrot what they see online and on the media they consume and proceed to deliver underdeveloped takes on subjects they don’t fully understand yet.

It becomes even more interesting when people point to fictional narratives as the cause for societal problems when there are already larger institutions that have historically been responsible for what they claim fiction causes. They displace the blame for societal ills like SA, abuse, patriarchal violence and misogynistic legislation onto fiction, fan fiction and media that explores taboo subject matter. While I don’t deny that fiction has power, 90% of the time these people have no idea of the ways literary works influence our culture and default to a 1:1 “monkey see, monkey do” explanation for why people must consume the “correct media”.

Another factor is the way that people have become accustomed to moralizing their content consumption. They have convinced themselves that they need a concrete and righteous justification for their likes and dislikes and this has ruined the way fandom interacts with literature, film and other art forms. With this in mind, they can no longer dislike or even hate something without creating some moral justifications for why “hating this thing is actually progressive and righteous!” and in the process, conflate consumerism with activism.

The comparison to Puritanism is quite fitting in this case. After all, the principles of that religion were based in purity, obedience and censorious beliefs for self-indulgences and we can draw comparisons with the way people online discuss certain subjects. There’s a phenomenon where people will say something along the lines of: “It’s alright to like (insert problematic character here)! But you need to acknowledge that they are a bad person.” To them, it seems like a gesture at fairness and magnanimity when in reality, it is an attempt at exerting unearned moral authority over the tastes of others. It is a demand that a person proves their moral innocence to them in a performative manner that validates their need to feel superior. But it’s all performative purity because even if a person did explain/justify their fictional tastes, these people wouldn’t care and would continue to demand purity from others.

People can’t even discuss certain characters anymore without running into people accusing them of being terrible people who would approve of real-life violence and abuse. And I can’t shake the feeling that it wasn’t always like this, when did it change?

#fandom discourse #fandom musings #shadow and bone #reylo fandom #reylo discourse #reylo #darklina #s&b salt #s&b netflix #s&b critical #anti leigh bardugo #lb critical #zutara #shipping discourse #Puritanism

[silmarillisms]

I've realized that every problem I have with the Shadow and Bone book series stems from the fact that the author writes from a place of privilege, never acknowledges that privilege is privilege, and tries to pass off a highly privileged viewpoint on every situation as absolute truth within Grishaverse.

The Grisha don't know how lucky they are. They get to lord over all of us from the Little Palace, dressing in their fancy clothes and eating good food!

Says the person who has never had to spend every day of their life being forced to convince people in power that they are useful to society and deserve to exist, who live in constant fear that someday someone in a position of power might decide otherwise.

Why doesn't the Darkling just trust Alina? Why does he lie to her and keep her out of his confidence?

Says the person who has never been in a position of power where they were directly responsible for the lives of people beneath them. Says the person who did not spend their formative years being repeatedly traumatized by their only parental figure who taught them over and over that no one could be trusted. Says the person who has never liked someone but knows they need to keep them at arm's length because they seem to sympathize with people who, given half the chance, would fuck you over.

Why can't you just trust that Nikolai would be better than his father and that his rule would end Grisha persecution?

Says the person who has never had to fight for their rights against a corrupt system, who has never had to accept the fact that the system itself is stacked against them and the only hope they have is to break it entirely.

Why can't the Darkling accept that change happens slowly and incrementally over time? Why doesn't he understand that using violent revolution to enact change is wrong?

Says the person who has never existed in a place or time when the only hope for their people was violent revolution. Says the person who has never been part of an ostracized group, who has never been tired of waiting, of watching, of hoping. We don't pray for change. We make it happen.

Why can't Alina stop thinking about gaining personal power, by aligning herself with the Darkling or otherwise? Doesn't she know that it's wrong to seek power?

Says the person who has never in their life spent a day feeling powerless, feeling hopeless, feeling that they don't matter.

I don't have a problem with the universe of Shadow and Bone. I have a problem with the fact that Leigh Bardugo tries to force the audience to see it, and its characters, through a perspective that disrespects the characters she created, the social and political challenges that they face, and the way those things mirror the real struggles of marginalized groups of people - intentionally or otherwise.

#shadow and bone #fandom discourse #anti leigh bardugo

[wonder-and-wildflowers]

I'm convinced that the people saying Chuuya is never anyones first option have only ever seen the horrible destruction of characters and their relationships that bones has animated.

#you literally cannot convince me otherwise #yall are anime onlys #and while thats fine in and of itself #you cant just start arguments with people who are reading the actual source material about how significant a character is #bsd #bungou stray dogs #bungo stray dogs #dont get me wrong i like bones studio animations #but everyone knows bones destroys character relationships #ESPECIALLY SOUKOKUS RELATIONSHIP #bones has yall convinced dazai doesn't matter to the ada and that he and Chuuya hate eachother #please PLEASE P L E A S E im BEGGING you to read the manga and the light novels #youll have no idea how beautiful soukoku is until you do #soukoku #bsd discourse #skk #skk 15 #bsd light novels #bsd manga #bones studio #bones ruined so much #they actively changed some scenes and they mixed up the timeline soooo much #meta #bsd meta

[howtostandinsilence]

darkling fans: in depth discussions about the harmful depiction of persecution in the novels and the racist and antisemitic ways the darkling is written, highlighting how the darkling could have still been a villain if the grisha as a persecuted and marginalized people had been handled better and the story was more aware of itself and the problems it was discussing. detailing where leigh bardugo’s inability to understand politics and oppression led to a damaging puritanical framework for her story that flattened her characters, distracting from the message she was trying to tell and forcing her to rely on ‘tell don’t show’ to convey themes she had no real grasp of.

explaining how they sympathize with the darkling’s efforts to achieve freedom for his people, even if they don’t agree with his methods, and see themselves in the suffering he’s faced at the hands of his oppressors. saying they like the potential he had as a character even as a villain if the story had only been better written.

finding fault in a narrative that champions the return to the status quo and the support of an oppressive monarchy. citing the canonical ways the grisha suffered worse after the darkling’s death and talking about how zoya’s depiction as queen was even more harmful for it’s shallow dismissal of how bigotry and persecution actually works within a system and the very real harm that was done to her people for thousands of years. providing detailed analysis of racism within the grishaverse and how leigh bardugo inadvertently ends up championing forced assimilation for her persecuted fantasy race.

antis, with reading comprehension so fatal they can’t even understand basic literary analysis and critical thinking: darkling fans think of the darkling as a left wing hero! shadow and bone is so so subversive. he represents the most evil men and he is the worst there is! people only like him because he’s so hot... even though mal is also described as hot, and nikolai is too... 

#shadow and bone #the grisha trilogy #anti darkling bs #anti darklina bs #anti shadow and bone #the darkling #sab discourse

[tentavamp]

Goes without saying that disrespecting people’s existence is bad but like. you can tell someone is so mortally attached to their internet superiority complex when they pretend that “offensiveness” that comes from real historical accounts of a lesbian learning not to think so poorly of trans women in the 80’s or whatever else that was in dtwof that’s clearly ignorance common from the time is worse than someone sitting down to write their own fictional little universe in the 2010’s to pump out all the shit that homestuck was getting up to (weird race discourse with jane, poc steryotypes, other not race related shit including fumbling their headlining sapphic ship in the post-story so badly that it ruined everything about it) AND that it’s more foundational to the queer community.

You are so media brainrotted that you think that Alison Bechdel’s work needs to be omitted because it’s not fandomable and it isn’t all just the best most flowery parts of being alive during the gay liberation that you can keep posting to your aesthetic/relatable/whatever blogs. She’s not a character you pathologize over she’s a real ass person that accurately depicted and did not censor her past flaws and bigotries that were unfortunately common at the time.

#like i’m not fucking ‘going to bat’ for dykes to watch out for like you homestuck mfers are #it’s just objective fucking fact that yall are twisting into a fucing crypto terf narrative #like i’m not defending my stupid fandom that i host panels on #this discourse is fucking stupid i have more respect for the people clearly beig like haha it would be funny as fuck if homestuck won #bone rattling

[greensaplinggrace]

yeah you know what? I'm going to get into this. "don't humanize villains"/"this abuser is a monster" is some of the worst character discourse in fandom. abusers are not other. abusers are not always easy to recognize. othering someone who's done terrible things from humanity is an arrogant, poisonous idea.

that is a person who is doing those things, and you want so badly to be unable to fall into such patterns of harm and abuse that you will force that person into another category of species altogether, and in so doing you spare yourself from introspection and you give yourself a pretty little pedestal to stand on and you shame everybody who fell for a red flag that is surely so easy to recognize. and you give into prejudice you assign moral values to attributes outside of yourself and you think you are so above doing harm that you could never act in such a way, even as it is a capability within all of us to do so.

get off your self righteous high horse for a moment and use your fucking brain. I'm sick of people in fandom claiming to be the most moral members that are the "only people willing to discuss this" and then every statement out of their mouth is harmful and pervasive word vomit.

#shadow and bone #grishaverse #sab #aleksander morozova #the darkling #sab discourse #anti darklina bs #hannibal #iwtv #rdr2 #da2 #dragon age #btvs #antis are people who would miss the fucking point of lolita #anti anti #i guess idk i've never tagged anything as that before #myramblings #fandomcourse #abuse mention tw #abuse tw #negative

[helga-grinduil]

also, really proud of bones for

making it much clearer that hawks was thrusting his sword down and going for a kill when dabi arrived.

actually showing that skeptic is watching & recording hawks and twice

making dabi say his 'twice, this isn't your fault. as always, those scummy heroes are to blame' outloud and directly to twice. shows that even though they cut away the scene with him running to twice and hawks for the shock factor, they thought this through and understood that the line was important.

ACTUALLY GIVING US GIRAN AS A MEMBER OF PLF. i needed that. the man completely disappeared from the manga after mva ended, so it's nice that bones showed him.

emphasising hawks' reaction to dabi saying his name.

making it more obvious that no, dabi didn't let hawks kill twice, he was actually still fighting him when it happened.

showing the aftermath. twice's body. the pool of blood. blood dripping down the railings.

#bnha #bnha spoilers #bnha s6 #bnha s6 spoilers #bones really said 'okay we do NOT need the amount of discourse that the manga had. make this shit more obvious for people'

[mephoj]

(the flags) mephone if he was awesome

#meeple.png #a little thing for silly self projection + to prune out any remaining queer discourse losers following me #mephone is so. nonhuman with weird gender and even weirder sexuality . in my heart (i am also like that) #i know it i feel it in my bones

[bonefall]

This Mapleshade Discourse once again reveals how people, even those who will cheer ACAB, cannot envision a world in which unjust laws of society do not have to be followed, and that rules do not have to be enforced with punishment. "She broke the law, so she has to face the consequences!" How about you take my hand, and I point out the flaws in the rules that govern our society to you and what we can do to combat them, and I show you the research on punitive vs restorative justice, and together we look upon this silly little battle cat story through this political lens to analyze the messages it intentionally and inadvertently sends with its treatment of Mapleshade's character and the characters of other codebreakers, and we kiss softly under the moonlight.

And then we cut open Oakstar and Appledusk and leave them to die from infection. Together. ❤️

LIKE... "She broke the law so she must face the consequences" is such a cold take it's still defrosting. Maybe the law is bad. Perhaps unjust rules ought to be disobeyed. Consider, the consequences are unacceptable; I simply do not think you should be thrown out of your house for having the wrong lover.

Like deadass what do they want her to do. Go back in time and not give birth to them. Do they want her to unfuck that sleazy twink. Insane.

#bone babble #mapleshade discourse o'clock

[feathertailedcentipede]

would it be fair to say that "asexuals can still have sex though" is pretty much the same as saying "lesbians can still fuck men though"?

#I mean the message in both of them seems to be ''you can bone without being attracted to your partner(s)'' #but you don't hear the latter as much as the former. if anything the latter seems quite controversial #ace #asexual #ace discourse #I'm not a discourse blog I'm just thinking & wondering #this is not a rhetorical question btw I'm never sure of anything. I'm not here to push opinions onto others I'm here to start conversations #ALSO I do agree with both statements. my issue is when people use the former to disregard asexuality as a genuine orientation